2003 Grad Rankings are out!!!

[GS]

I went to the law site on the TPR website and there are some places in New York where you can buy the new rankings. Some people have scanned in the law school rankings. They are saying that you can buy them on stands in Manhattan now. Does anybody have a copy (who lives in NYC)? Just curious.

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[Trek]

oh my god i'm so nervous right now....damn!!!! I can't take this stress anymore...PLEASE get me a copy of the rankings!!! Whatever. --Trek

 

[souljah1]

lol trek..i feel you on that. it is hard to conceive the reason why there is so much hype around rankings. i know i can count on your humor.

 

[KelliJelliBeans]

I can pick one up, if you guys want!
PM or e-mail me, or I can just post them once I get it.

 

[praying4MD]

One of the many reasons Trek is just so damn cool. Hey, at least we can all decide where we should go to med school now that the rankings are out, huh?

 

[jargon124]

It would be great if someone could post the list. Anyone know when it will be up on the website?

 

[ckent]

Well, I hope that none of you are deciding where you want to go to med school before you get your hands on this newest edition of the US News grad school ranking. That would be awful if you decided to go to a 25th ranked school over a 26th ranked school and the rankings changed, so you ended up going to the lower ranked school <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . Always pick the highest ranked school, even if you hate it there, it'll make such a big difference in your career*.

*= sarcastic tone

 

[Street Philosopher]

ok so rankings aren't important, but come on, there is some curiosity, no?

 

[jargon124]

Yeah, peeps need to chill out. There is nothing wrong with wanting to see the rankings, or even in using them as ONE of many factors to consider when making decisions about which school to attend. I have already decided where I will go next year, but I'm still interested in seeing the list.

 

[coop]

If Pritzker has fallen out of the top 20 I think I'll throw my acceptance back and apply again next year. It'll be a lot of work, but better than living through the unavoidable depression (not to mention harsh consequences for my future patients) of a non-top 20 medical school eduaction.

please post the list ASAP. I need to know if I should take the MCAT again in 2 weeks. thanks

 

[jargon124]

Ok, I know you're all being sacrastic, but what's wrong with you peeps? I am turning down acceptances to several "top 30" schools to go to my non-top50 state school so I'm no slave to rankings...I still want to see them just for fun though, and I admit to being curious...maybe I'm the only one though.

 

[Tuesday Weld]

Jargon,
Just curious. Where are you going?

 

[Trek]

Jargon is ending up at the U of A - university of Arkansas School of Veternary Podiatric and Proctologic Medicine. G'luck jay!! --Trek :wink:

 

[Trek]

But for real it's the University of Arizona. I'll be close down there bro! --Trek

 

[CaliBoy]

Actually I'm interested to see the new rankings because USC claims that they are going to be alot higher this year and I want to see if its just all talk.

 

[El Jefe]

Yeah I'd like to see what USC has done for itself too. (Not that it matters, of course .)

 

[UMgrad]

I don't really care about the rankings. Its all political stuff. I'll go where I feel comfortable.

 

[Bradleyp]

If we all went where we felt comfortable we would all be at St. George, but I don't see that happening. I may be there anyway if I don't get in off these waitlists.

"Once....in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost our corkscrew and we were forced to live off food and water for several days."
WC Fields

 

[simpleton]

It's hard for me to believe that anyone so insistent on knowing where their medical college stands on the ranking's list is going into medicine on the altruistic claims they probably made in their personal statement. More than likely its so they can smear it around to friends, etc....'You got into UF, wow that is such an accomplishment, oh me...I'm in at Penn which btw is a top 10 school'

 

[CAbroiler]

what's TPR? so these aren't the USNEWS rankings?

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think everyone factors in rankings as a consideration. I know many people who ONLY applied to top 10 schools with a couple backups. I am sure many of you turned down interviews at some schools after you received an acceptance from a "higher ranked" school. I think that their are certain tiers that the rankings help support. Top 10? who really cares. It will usually always be the same bigwigs. When you get into the top 50, then at least you can see some movement which may be affected by real changes in the school. Like it or not people, rankings play a role in the majority of our decisions. How else would you know where to apply? A few top schools, a few middle schools, a few unranked... Some people who value research highly and do not have any ties to location will put more weight on the ranking. Those who have family members nearby (especially if they are sick), will put more emphasis on that. People who are in need of money, will look more at state and/or need based institutions. BUT, when it comes down to it, rankings will always be there.

You know, premeds are funny. We are the only group in the circle of friends I have (preCPA, preLAW, Econ, etc etc) who try to say rankings don't matter. My good friend in Econ told me, "you got in where? Cool, dude - it's like they chose it for you now - you HAVE to go to the best school you get into." Pretty much the same conversations from all my other friends too.

 

[matthew0126]

ne1 have the whole rankings list? i'd like to see how teh other uc's fared

 

[johnM]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Scooby Doo:
•You know, premeds are funny. We are the only group in the circle of friends I have (preCPA, preLAW, Econ, etc etc) who try to say rankings don't matter. My good friend in Econ told me, "you got in where? Cool, dude - it's like they chose it for you now - you HAVE to go to the best school you get into." Pretty much the same conversations from all my other friends too.•••••That's because we are all going to have (really good) jobs no matter where we go to med school. Unlike law grads, no don't really hear about jobless doctors.

 

[lilycat]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Scooby Doo:
•
You know, premeds are funny. We are the only group in the circle of friends I have (preCPA, preLAW, Econ, etc etc) who try to say rankings don't matter. My good friend in Econ told me, "you got in where? Cool, dude - it's like they chose it for you now - you HAVE to go to the best school you get into." Pretty much the same conversations from all my other friends too.•••••I think the reason for that is because connections and "reputation" tend to matter a lot more in business and law than in medicine. Notice that I did not say that connections and reputation don't matter in medicine, just that they tend to be far more emphasized in other fields. It's pretty well-acknowledged that the really top jobs with the accompanying large salaries go to grads from the "top" schools in these fields. A lot of companies/firms (business, accounting, and law alike) won't even bother to recruit from schools outside the "top ten" or "top fifteen."

There are a few reasons that med school rankings matter less in comparison to these other fields that you mentioned:

- No matter what medical school you go to, you are pretty much guaranteed a certain salary starting in the high 5-figures, low 6-figures. The same cannot be said for law, business, or accounting.

- The "top" hospitals (hence, many of the "top" residencies) do not always correlate with the USNews Top 25 -- for instance, University of Iowa is considered to be in the "top 5" for ENT and ophtho residencies, yet it is not a "top 25" school. U of Miami is considered to a be a "top" residency for ophtho, yet it is not in the "top 50" for the school rankings. As we all know, there tends to be a lot of inbreeding with residency programs, so for a person who is sure they want to go into ENT, they might be much better off going to Iowa for med school and trying to stay there for residency than going to Wash U or Penn.

 

[ckent]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by jargon124:
•Ok, I know you're all being sacrastic, but what's wrong with you peeps? I am turning down acceptances to several "top 30" schools to go to my non-top50 state school so I'm no slave to rankings...I still want to see them just for fun though, and I admit to being curious...maybe I'm the only one though. •••••Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that people wouldn't want to see the new rankings out of curiosity. It just worries me when people post questions about whether it would be better to go the no. 36 school they were miserable at over the no. 40 school they loved simply because 36 is "higher" then 40. Believe it or not, ranking is an imprecise science and usually nothing changes so much at a medical school year to year to justify it moving up or down signficantly. The US News is in the business of selling magazines, so in order to sell a new edition every year, they have to use different formulas every year to recalculate the school rankings so that schools will move up or down every year. Rankings have their place, but going to the number one medical school and being miserable and almost failing out is far worse then going to the number 126th medical school and being top of the class. I've found that most of the times, patients or the general public does not know a thing about medical schools in general. They know that the name Harvard is good, but if you ask them if Harvard even has a medical school, you will probably stump most of them. That much said, I will admit to checking on-line periodically when I know that the rankings will be published soon to see if my school has moved up or down .

 

[brandonite]

I think it's funny that every school that rejected me went down in the rankings. Well, except for Harvard.

Hehe. That'll teach them to mess with me!