2007 Official Match List

[Guile]

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Anyone interested in posting stats or starting a stats thread? It seems they are common in the past. It would be helpful.

 

[uclachris]

Anyone interested in posting stats or starting a stats thread? It seems they are common in the past. It would be helpful.

Eviedently, the answer is no... Stats aren't everything -- just like following lab values and not the clinical picture. Do well in your classes. Be GENUINE. Work hard. Don't step on other people's feet. Play nice. And you'll be fine. Just like any speicialty, board scores are the king, clinical grades are the queen, and your interview is the joker. If you are hoping for a forumal of Score X + Grade Y = Match at Z... Medicine and surgery is the wrong field for you...

 

[Guile]

Eviedently, the answer is no... Stats aren't everything -- just like following lab values and not the clinical picture. Do well in your classes. Be GENUINE. Work hard. Don't step on other people's feet. Play nice. And you'll be fine. Just like any speicialty, board scores are the king, clinical grades are the queen, and your interview is the joker. If you are hoping for a forumal of Score X + Grade Y = Match at Z... Medicine and surgery is the wrong field for you...

I'm just interested to get an idea of what people score, their grades, school's prestige, and where they match for curiosity's sake. I understand there are many intangible factors such as your personality and interview strength, letters, and phone calls that come into play. I understand that matching isn't a function consisting of only your boards and grades...much like med school admissions isn't just grades and MCAT.

I've been accepted at 4 med schools, and I'm positive medicine is the only life for me. After several long and unique experiences as an undergrad, I have a strong interest in surgery that did not stem from an addiction to Grey's Anatomy. The condescension wasn't necessary.

 

[uclachris]

Top Programs, >235, AOA +/-, Mostly Clinical Honors

Hope that helps

 

[Sweet Tea]

I don't think UCLAChris meant any condescension and was using "you" in a general sense. ST's tip for surviving medical school: don't take everything personally. You're going to get yelled at for things that you did, and for things you didn't do. Learn to find the useful info instead of just reacting to bad criticism and your clinical years will be so much less stressful for you.

 

[Guile]

Top Programs, >235, AOA +/-, Mostly Clinical Honors

Hope that helps

Yeah, I pretty much knew that, but I thought it was a little higher--240+ or so. From talking with some friends (one of whom matched at Stanford gen surg), I'm shooting for a 250+, and it seems attainable--all of his friends broke 250. But maybe they're just all superstars.

I don't think UCLAChris meant any condescension and was using "you" in a general sense. ST's tip for surviving medical school: don't take everything personally. You're going to get yelled at for things that you did, and for things you didn't do. Learn to find the useful info instead of just reacting to bad criticism and your clinical years will be so much less stressful for you.

You're right. Developing thick skin is essential for survival in med school. The thing that just bothers me about SDN is the blanket criticism you seem to receive upon asking for anything. There is always something wrong with your request. The example here being Chris's automatic assumption that since I asked about stats, I must believe that matching can be reduced to formula of board scores and grades, so medicine must not be right for me.

 

[uclachris]

Yeah, I pretty much knew that, but I thought it was a little higher--240+ or so. From talking with some friends (one of whom matched at Stanford gen surg), I'm shooting for a 250+, and it seems attainable--all of his friends broke 250. But maybe they're just all superstars.


You're right. Developing thick skin is essential for survival in med school. The thing that just bothers me about SDN is the blanket criticism you seem to receive upon asking for anything. There is always something wrong with your request. The example here being Chris's automatic assumption that since I asked about stats, I must believe that matching can be reduced to formula of board scores and grades, so medicine must not be right for me.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc... Ok my bad. I made a logical fallacy based upon your premise. Or did I? The point I was making is that there is minimal, if any, utility in knowing that person X got (or said they got) grades Y, boards Z, letters W and got into wherever... The point I was making is that the idea of knowing these specific stats of applicants is so useless, that if you abstract that to absurity, that, yes, one could state then that a field where uncertanties are paramount would potentially be a wrong field for someone who is so absolutely interested in those forms of data. These are issues that have been commented on by many people in numerous other threads and posts that we all have been privy to. There is very little logic in the process. I think that the best thing to know that some programs usually reserve one spot from within and if you happen to be at a premier surgical program, be the best student they have so you can stay on, or be the one that the PDs all want. Otherwise there are so many variables and factors, that making a metric based upon grades (which I would say a vast majority of applicants to the top programs have honors), boards (which the vast majority of applicants are >1-2SD above the mean), research (which the vast majority will have at least one poster or publication if not more), etc. is totally useless unless you know what a particular program is looking for during that match year.

I would follow the advice given by others and myself about being genuine, hard working, etc. I know too many med students that flat out lie about their interest in a field to get a grade (and yes, it does help you get higher grades by saying you are interested in that field). So if in the end you need to lie to get a better grade (you is not the OP but the generic you), then it will be on your conscious. I know many people who believe that the end justifies the means. It is up to you. I'm sorry if you felt I was being condenseding. Now, if you thought that was bad... j/k I wont say it; but you know it will be worse on the floors...

MoA, Feel free to PM me about my application experiences, interviews, and what I feel are key to the process.

 

[filter07]

You're right. Developing thick skin is essential for survival in med school. The thing that just bothers me about SDN is the blanket criticism you seem to receive upon asking for anything.

That's how medicine is... hierarchical and quick to forget how it was to be lower on the totem pole. Generally, fighting back is frowned upon. It sucks.

There are two years worth of stats for general surgery applicants if you use the search. Titles are something similar to "Applicant Profile" and "Care to Share?"

 

[Ballz]

Why is it that people on this website feel the need to criticize anyone who asks a simple question. I'm sure that he's not asking for a formula of how to get into Program A, B, or C. He's like the rest of us were when looking at programs - we wanted to know where we stand in relation to the levels of the programs. Obviously, if he has the same stats as someone who matched a program that doesn't assure his success but it just helps to have an idea. Since everyone else is apparently too scared to say anything on this, I'll go ahead. I'm sure this n=1 sample will be really helpful.

Med School: Top 25
Clinical Grades: All passes in 3rd year required clerkships; honors in 4th year surg elective, ICU.
Step 1: 236
Step 2: 245
Research: 1.5 years of basic science research in undergrad with poster presentation. summer of ortho research between M1 and M2 year.
Letters: 2 from high-level "VIPs"
Applied to 45 programs
Given ~22 interviews
Interviewed at: Michigan, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Loyola, UIC, Wisconsin, MCW, BU, UCSF-East Bay, Hennepin, St Joe's Chicago, St Joe's Ann Arbor, Beaumont, Wayne State, Sinai (Chicago), Henry Ford, Indiana, Cleveland Clinic
Matched @ Henry Ford (#13)

 

[bcoak]

Med School: Top 30
Clinical Grades: Honors (Surgery--3rd year, SICU, 2 Surg sub-I's at home med school, 1 Surg-sub-I away, Internal Med, Peds, Family Medicine, Rural Medicine, Neurology research), Near Honors (Ob-Gyn, Psych, Surg Sub I away)
Step 1: 232
Step 2: 228
Research: 1 year of clinical research in neurology between undergrad & med school. 7 publications total (6 in neurology, 1 in surgery during med school)
Letters: 2 from high-level "VIPs"
Applied to 30 programs
Given 28 interviews
Did 14 interviews
Ranked 12 programs
Ranked: Mount Sinai (NYC), Einstein, Emory, Cornell, Thomas Jefferson, Oregon Health & Science Univ, SUNY Upstate, UCLA, University of Chicago, Yale, Lennox Hill, New York Hospital Queens

Matched @ Mount Sinai (NYC)--#1 on my rank list!