* *2009-2010 "What Are My Chances/Where Should I Apply/What Should I Do" * *
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i have a pretty decent overall mcat score of 29O, however it is pretty unbalanced (7PS 11VR 11BS)....how much does having a score like this hurt?
will the fact that the overall score is above many school averages help me out? my other stats are decent (3.5cgpa, 3.3sgpa).....is the 7 in PS going to mean my app is going to be pushed aside?
thanks in advance
will the fact that the overall score is above many school averages help me out? my other stats are decent (3.5cgpa, 3.3sgpa).....is the 7 in PS going to mean my app is going to be pushed aside?
thanks in advance
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LOL, I'm in similar situation you are in. I had this concern when I got my scores back, but against what everyone told me to do I applied anyway. I don't want to jinx myself so I'll just leave it at this.
11 Interview invites as of 8/25/2009.
Of course, getting an interview is very different than getting an acceptance. My score might still bite me in the butt come adcom interview review and decision time.
Best of luck this cycle!
11 Interview invites as of 8/25/2009.
Of course, getting an interview is very different than getting an acceptance. My score might still bite me in the butt come adcom interview review and decision time.
Best of luck this cycle!
wow that is wonderful congratulations....i don't mean to pry but even though unbalanced is your score/gpa significantly higher than mine, in which case it is working for you but is still going to screw me haha
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No, I think we're still in the same boat seeing as my score is lower than yours, however, my gpa is a bit higher. Sorry, should have posted it earlier. 28P with PS:11, VR:6, BS:11, sGPA:3.87, cGPA: 3.81. Regardless of GPA, believe it or not, a 7>>>>6. Especially since I got a 6 on VR, the once claimed most important section. I honestly think you'll be fine. Just have solid essays 🙂
thank you for sharing your info.....i'll give you my VR if i can have your PS score....then we can both have 33s (wow that would be nice).....your gpa destroys mine haha but you have definitely given me some hope....here's hoping to lots of acceptances for unbalanced mcat scorers!
congrats again on all of your interview invites!
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Anyone else want to cast a vote? 🙂
I am retaking a science course I received a C+ (C in lecture and B in lab) couple of years ago. Since it's lec and lab combined, I have the option of only taking the lecture. However, the old lab grade will be used for final grade. So if I chose not to take the lab, the highest grade I can get this time around is A- (assuming I ace the lecture). I also taking 3 other upper division bio classes right now. What do you guys think? should I save time and not the lab?
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I would retake the lab for this reason: If you for some reason receive a B in lecture and combine that with a B in your previous lab you will have retaken a course to go from a C+ to a B. That shows minimal improvement. However if you retake the lab and receive an A or A+ and manage a B+ or A- overall, to me that is well worth it. Just my $.02, which probably isn't even worth $.01
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get a 28+ in the MCAT with 8+ in each section and your name in 5 years will be: Kupat DO
Can anyone tell me what to do?
My GPA during my undergrad years was not the greatest (above a 3.0, but not much above). My science GPA was 3.75, but I was an engineering major and my engineering grades were anything but stellar. I am going to graduate pharmacy school this year with a 3.68. I was wondering, since professional school gpa is not factored into gpa, how to get that part of my application recognized. Any suggestions?
My GPA during my undergrad years was not the greatest (above a 3.0, but not much above). My science GPA was 3.75, but I was an engineering major and my engineering grades were anything but stellar. I am going to graduate pharmacy school this year with a 3.68. I was wondering, since professional school gpa is not factored into gpa, how to get that part of my application recognized. Any suggestions?
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For clarity, you just finished pharmacy school and want to go to med school?
Finishing in May 2010.
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You're already in debt. You've put in the work. Just stick w/ pharm.
If you want to quit pharm and do med, you're going to need to take post-bacc undergrad classes to raise your ugrad GPA. No way around that.
Finally, if you go through with this, be prepared to answer some tough questions of why you decided to pursue medicine and why you are quitting pharm.
If you want to quit pharm and do med, you're going to need to take post-bacc undergrad classes to raise your ugrad GPA. No way around that.
Finally, if you go through with this, be prepared to answer some tough questions of why you decided to pursue medicine and why you are quitting pharm.
I'm not "quitting" pharmacy. I went into pharmacy because I planned on studying medicine in its entirety. I plan to work as a pharmacist while in school and over the summers. As I already mentioned, I have a very high pharmacy GPA and am in Rho Chi - the pharmacy honor society. I'm not worried about debt, I'm more concerned with enjoying my life and my profession as much as I am able.
And I have 320 credits at this point, there's no way I'm going to take undergraduate classes. 🙂
And I have 320 credits at this point, there's no way I'm going to take undergraduate classes. 🙂
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That's the first time I ever heard that.
Your pharmacy grades will appear on your application to medical schools, but they will not be factored into your GPA. You will need to take undergraduate courses to boost your GPA. If you don't want to take classes, then go ahead and apply. However, as someone mentioned above, you will need to have a very good reason for entering medical school after getting your Pharm.D. IMHO, I don't think your reasoning thus far will cut it.
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Your pharmacy school grades will appear on your app, but they won't calculate into your undergrad GPA.
If you're dead set on not taking anymore undergrad classes, I'd recommend a special master's program.
For more information - http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=346106
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=114425
Here's a list of SMPs:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=591705
And you SHOULD be worried about debt. Go here:
http://www.finaid.org/calculators/loanpayments.phtml. If you have 100,000 in loans now and say 150,000 additional loans from med school, if you repay in 30 years (the max I believe), you will need an annual income of $200,000 to comfortably pay it off. That is not including any SMP or additional coursework you may need to even be competitive for med school.
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I don't think being a Pharmacy major will hurt you. I actually know a DO who was a Pharmacist before going to medical school. Just make sure you have all your required coursework done and ace the MCAT.
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It's the low GPA that's going to hurt.
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I don't think the fact that the OP went to pharmacy school will hurt, but he/she never actually worked as a pharmacist. Going from one professional degree to another without work experience in between will seem strange.
Thx. I was wondering if anyone else had advice? I see ppl get in with MCATS lower then 28s, but I will aim for a high grade anyways. I will try to improve by retaking my grades that are lower than Bs, and just want someone to tell me if I am in horrible shape or good shape and why and what can I do?
When I say "low", my overall GPA undergrad was a 3.29 - considerably lower than my pharmacy GPA. I am not overly concerned about debt because i received scholarships that covered the majority of my pharmacy school and paid the rest out of pocket.
Why would I want to do a master's program exactly? I already did a doctoral program and got straight A's 3 out of 7 semesters (?)
Why would I want to do a master's program exactly? I already did a doctoral program and got straight A's 3 out of 7 semesters (?)
Thank you, by the way - you're really the only person who answered my actual question about my grades showing up on my application.
I think you'll be fine academically, but an adcom will probably want to know your thought processes... address it completely in your PS and you shouldn't have a problem getting interviews. Then at the interview you can explain it more thoroughly.
Yeah, there are plenty who are accepted with lower than 28, but it is about the average now for DO schools so it is a good goal to have. I think you are on the right track; retake the lower grade classes, do well on the mcat and you'll be in good shape.
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A 3.29 is still LOW. And unfortunately, your graduate GPA will not mitigate your undergraduate GPA because graduate GPA is weighted so little in the application. Even if you had a 4.0 from pharmacy school and other graduate level classes, your application would still not be competitive because of your low undergrad GPA.
IMO, it's wrong that graduate level work counts for so little, but that's how it is.
The only type of graduate work that can mitigate your low undergrad GPA is a special masters program. In this program, you typically take 3-7 first year medical school classes with actual med students, and your grades are based on the "medical school curve." Some (but not all) medical schools consider these grades to be more predictive your success in med school.
Check out the links from my previous post for more information.
In any case, you will need a very competitive MCAT score. Low to mid 30s at least.
Finally, be prepared to be asked some very tough questions of why you went to pharmacy school if your intent was to practice medicine. The biggest red flag, IMO, is that you entered pharmacy school without seriously considering becoming a pharmacist. Adcoms may be hesitant to believe that you are serious about becoming a doctor from your past actions.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. I think it is a bit low, but with other strong aspects in the OP's application an acceptance is not unheard of. I think DO school could be a nice alternative. I don't think the OP will be eliminated from the MD pool, but s/he will be much more competitive in the DO pool. I also believe the solid performance in pharmacy school will count for something, because it does need to be listed.
To me the biggest problem the OP has as it stands is trying to explain away the "professional student" appearance, because the fact that s/he is going directly from pharm to medicine without ever working in pharm is a little odd.
OP, do whatever you feel will make you happy in life, but if I were you I would work in pharm for a while and see what you think. It's solid money, you already have a degree (or will soon), and you can better justify why you don't want pharmacy (if that's still the case when all is said and done). Not only that, but if you work for 4 years and live on 1/2 of what you make in pharmacy you could pay for med school out of pocket. No debt, no high interest rates... Or just start saving for your retirement.
Good luck either way.
I am a Canadian student planning to apply to DO schools next summer and just need some advice.
I graduated with a terrible undergrad cgpa of 2.44 🙁
I have since been enrolled in another undergrad degree at another university for a year and have done pretty well there with a gpa of 3.96. I have retaken 2 chems and a stats course (advice I got from these forums to raise gpa) and according to my calculations, my gpa for aacomas should be now 2.94.
I know my gpa is still pretty low and I am working on raising it, through retakes and hopefully continuing to do well in to the 2nd and final year of the undergrad program.
The undergrad program I am in right now is a 2 year program in public health for students who have already completed a previous degree. It is basically 3 years of courses packed into 2 years. It is a mix of science courses and public health courses over the length of the program.
My MCAT: 29Q (11PS, 7 VR, 11BS)
Extracurriculars: lots of volunteering at hospitals, involved in student clubs, with the faculty, minor research experience. I just need to shadow a DO/MD this upcoming year before I apply.
Since I am applying next summer, I will have a year in between which I plan on doing a masters of public health (Epidemiology) since I am highly interested in it.
So those are my stats, I was just wondering if I am on the right track and if there is anything else that I would need to do.
Thanks!
I graduated with a terrible undergrad cgpa of 2.44 🙁
I have since been enrolled in another undergrad degree at another university for a year and have done pretty well there with a gpa of 3.96. I have retaken 2 chems and a stats course (advice I got from these forums to raise gpa) and according to my calculations, my gpa for aacomas should be now 2.94.
I know my gpa is still pretty low and I am working on raising it, through retakes and hopefully continuing to do well in to the 2nd and final year of the undergrad program.
The undergrad program I am in right now is a 2 year program in public health for students who have already completed a previous degree. It is basically 3 years of courses packed into 2 years. It is a mix of science courses and public health courses over the length of the program.
My MCAT: 29Q (11PS, 7 VR, 11BS)
Extracurriculars: lots of volunteering at hospitals, involved in student clubs, with the faculty, minor research experience. I just need to shadow a DO/MD this upcoming year before I apply.
Since I am applying next summer, I will have a year in between which I plan on doing a masters of public health (Epidemiology) since I am highly interested in it.
So those are my stats, I was just wondering if I am on the right track and if there is anything else that I would need to do.
Thanks!
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Looks like you are on the right track. Good luck. 🙂
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I agree. Getting the GPA bumped up a few more points, and doing well on your science pre-reqs will leave you in good shape. Your MCAT is great, the 7 in VR may hurt you a little but there have been plenty of people here accepted to DO schools with 7s and 8s in Verbal. Depends on the rest of your app.
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I agree, you are off to the right start. Your mcat looks good to me. Just keep focused on doing well in the program you are in now and I'm sure you will get some interviews! The only thing that I think may hold you back is the fact that you are Canadian. I don't know how friendly DO schools are to Canadian applicants. I'd research that if I were you. Calling schools you are interested in and asking what you can do to make yourself competitive is also something extra that can't hurt.
Really debating which option to go (apply US MD, Caribbean, or DO).... Will be a senior at a top 15 school (Northwestern). Biology major.
GPA- 3.15 (science about same)
MCAT - Haven't taken but should be in 30's.
- Some ER shadowing (maybe 50 hrs)
- Volunteer at a Chicago transitional home working with underprivileged kids
- Other minor volunteering (week-long at wolf-refuge in Colorado, week-long restoring habitat, etc. in Las Vegas area)...... organized a team and participated in Relay for Life....fraternity stuff
- Worked as a lifeguard during a summer, other summers have been school work. Should have a work-study job as a research assistant this upcoming school year.
--- Will spend year off either boosting GPA or getting research/clinical experience.
---- Should this be enough to get me into a DO school?
GPA- 3.15 (science about same)
MCAT - Haven't taken but should be in 30's.
- Some ER shadowing (maybe 50 hrs)
- Volunteer at a Chicago transitional home working with underprivileged kids
- Other minor volunteering (week-long at wolf-refuge in Colorado, week-long restoring habitat, etc. in Las Vegas area)...... organized a team and participated in Relay for Life....fraternity stuff
- Worked as a lifeguard during a summer, other summers have been school work. Should have a work-study job as a research assistant this upcoming school year.
--- Will spend year off either boosting GPA or getting research/clinical experience.
---- Should this be enough to get me into a DO school?
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I was reading through the AACOMAS requirements for entering coursework and what counts towards undergraduate and what counts towards professional credits/gpa. Anyway, I thought this might be helpful to you:
So, if you didn't get an undergrad degree before going to pharmacy then your pharmacy credits/grades will count towards undergrad credits/grades. 😉
AACOMAS said:
So, if you didn't get an undergrad degree before going to pharmacy then your pharmacy credits/grades will count towards undergrad credits/grades. 😉
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I don't think your gpa is that low, either. Importantly, you rocked your science courses with a 3.75 science gpa...that will serve you extremely well. I was an engineering major, too, and those classes nailed my gpa, as well...but, I had a 3.0 science, 3.1 overall. I still got one interview, one acceptance! That's all it takes. I don't think you will have to obliterate the MCAT, either, to get interview invites. Try your best, but even with mid-high 20s...I really think you will be just fine.
Also, I'm not sure why the advice is to re-take undergrad courses. You did extremely well in your science/premed requirement classes, with your 3.75 gpa. For you to retake any lower grades, which I presume are from (might I add pointless, unnecessarily painful) engineering courses, would be silly. I highly doubt any adcom would advise you to retake those...they predict nothing of your potential to succeed in medical school. I know I'll never use any of the bs I learned from those courses!
Have your pharm transcripts sent to the schools. They'll see that, on a professional/graduate school level, you can improve your gpa significantly. Then, you can explain to them in your PS, and hopefully reiterate in your interviews, how you feel you can accomplish the same improvement (or now, be consistent) with the higher gpa.
I really think you will do just fine. Is it a very unique situation? Of course, but there are tons of non-traditional applicant stories out there, some of which are probably even more unique than yours.
Good luck!
Also, I'm not sure why the advice is to re-take undergrad courses. You did extremely well in your science/premed requirement classes, with your 3.75 gpa. For you to retake any lower grades, which I presume are from (might I add pointless, unnecessarily painful) engineering courses, would be silly. I highly doubt any adcom would advise you to retake those...they predict nothing of your potential to succeed in medical school. I know I'll never use any of the bs I learned from those courses!
Have your pharm transcripts sent to the schools. They'll see that, on a professional/graduate school level, you can improve your gpa significantly. Then, you can explain to them in your PS, and hopefully reiterate in your interviews, how you feel you can accomplish the same improvement (or now, be consistent) with the higher gpa.
I really think you will do just fine. Is it a very unique situation? Of course, but there are tons of non-traditional applicant stories out there, some of which are probably even more unique than yours.
Good luck!
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You're in good shape. The fact that you went and got another degree in healthcare stands for something. They will discuss those stellar grades with you just as much if not more than anything in undergrad.
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I was wondering when someone was going to address this. Why would the OP need to get mid-30s on his MCAT with a 3.75 science GPA. And 3.29 is not low. My cGPA is 3.3 and I have 8 interview invites. Didnt hurt me.
But I agree the PharmD thing will stick out on your app and will have to be explained. But then again, the dean of NSU-COM is a PharmD and a DO. I think it will look better though that you worked as a pharmacist instead of just jumping around to different academic disciplines.
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I did the same thing. Graduated with a 2.2, went back to school (same school), took some punishing semesters and did well, 33 MCAT. Applied with about a 2.7 or 2.8 GPA overall.
Apply broadly. It is hard to know how each scjool will look at you.
Apply broadly. It is hard to know how each scjool will look at you.
I didn't go to pharmacy school, but I do have a graduate degree. AACOMAS averaged my graduate grades with my undergraduate grades to calculate something called an "Overall GPA." AMCAS, on the other hand, did not. But, I attended a Q&A with the dean of admissions at my state's MD school and she said that they will average my graduate and undergraduate together when they review my application. I don't know if that helps you at all, but I thought I'd chime in.
Hey guys, im new here and wanted to ask yall some questions.
I am a non-trad. graduated with 2 Bachelor degrees in information systems degree and finance and currently working for a nuclear energy company.
I want to go back and go for a DO.
My gpa is around a 3.67
My science GPA: I've only taken chem 1, orgo 1, phys1, microbio, Bio3. I AP'ed out of bio1 and 2. is around a 3.1 or 3.2
I intend to take chem 2 and physics 2 this fall (at 2 diff community colleges to fit my schedule). Take orgo 2 and genetics next semester. That would complete all my reqs.
I am still working full time like I said. I hope to apply for admission in 2011. Finish my pre-reqs this year and take mcats in august 2010.
I have a DO I can shadow and get experience with. As for research I worked as an undergraduate research fellow in our Information systems department doing research on health decision systems. I also TA'ed for a couple programming classes.
If I get a 28+ on my mcat would I have a shot into a DO program for 2011?
I am taking all remaining pre-req science courses at a community college.
I am a non-trad. graduated with 2 Bachelor degrees in information systems degree and finance and currently working for a nuclear energy company.
I want to go back and go for a DO.
My gpa is around a 3.67
My science GPA: I've only taken chem 1, orgo 1, phys1, microbio, Bio3. I AP'ed out of bio1 and 2. is around a 3.1 or 3.2
I intend to take chem 2 and physics 2 this fall (at 2 diff community colleges to fit my schedule). Take orgo 2 and genetics next semester. That would complete all my reqs.
I am still working full time like I said. I hope to apply for admission in 2011. Finish my pre-reqs this year and take mcats in august 2010.
I have a DO I can shadow and get experience with. As for research I worked as an undergraduate research fellow in our Information systems department doing research on health decision systems. I also TA'ed for a couple programming classes.
If I get a 28+ on my mcat would I have a shot into a DO program for 2011?
I am taking all remaining pre-req science courses at a community college.
Hey guys, im new here and wanted to ask yall some questions.
I am a non-trad. graduated with 2 Bachelor degrees in information systems degree and finance and currently working for a nuclear energy company.
I want to go back and go for a DO.
My gpa is around a 3.67
My science GPA: I've only taken chem 1, orgo 1, phys1, microbio, Bio3. I AP'ed out of bio1 and 2. is around a 3.1 or 3.2
I intend to take chem 2 and physics 2 this fall (at 2 diff community colleges to fit my schedule). Take orgo 2 and genetics next semester. That would complete all my reqs.
I am still working full time like I said. I hope to apply for admission in 2011. Finish my pre-reqs this year and take mcats in august 2010.
I have a DO I can shadow and get experience with. As for research I worked as an undergraduate research fellow in our Information systems department doing research on health decision systems. I also TA'ed for a couple programming classes.
If I get a 28+ on my mcat would I have a shot into a DO program for 2011?
I am taking all remaining pre-req science courses at a community college.
I know I posted this in the 2009-2010 post but I am not going in 2010 so I figured this would be more appropriate. Sorry about the double post.
I am a non-trad. graduated with 2 Bachelor degrees in information systems degree and finance and currently working for a nuclear energy company.
I want to go back and go for a DO.
My gpa is around a 3.67
My science GPA: I've only taken chem 1, orgo 1, phys1, microbio, Bio3. I AP'ed out of bio1 and 2. is around a 3.1 or 3.2
I intend to take chem 2 and physics 2 this fall (at 2 diff community colleges to fit my schedule). Take orgo 2 and genetics next semester. That would complete all my reqs.
I am still working full time like I said. I hope to apply for admission in 2011. Finish my pre-reqs this year and take mcats in august 2010.
I have a DO I can shadow and get experience with. As for research I worked as an undergraduate research fellow in our Information systems department doing research on health decision systems. I also TA'ed for a couple programming classes.
If I get a 28+ on my mcat would I have a shot into a DO program for 2011?
I am taking all remaining pre-req science courses at a community college.
I know I posted this in the 2009-2010 post but I am not going in 2010 so I figured this would be more appropriate. Sorry about the double post.
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I think you would have a good shot in getting into a school if you do well in the remaining pre-reqs (minus genetics..not required). The only thing I would change is the date you want to take the MCAT, I would shoot for May or June. And of course apply early.🙂
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So this is a quick question, I have already applied and my application is being verfied. But the MCAT is low 20s so I planning on taking it it again in January. So if I plan to take it again in the next week or two how would I go about notifying all the schools? Thanks!
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Second the MCAT time, August means you wont receive score until September. While not very late, would be better to move up to July or June if you could squeeze it. AACOMAS takes FOREVER to get verified or even update application.
would you recommend I take an mcat prep course and orgo2 at the same time in the spring and just take mcats in july instead? That seems doable.
Although mccat prep without orgo 2? Is that possible/plausible?
Although mccat prep without orgo 2? Is that possible/plausible?
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I did it, seemed ok to me. Try for early July if possible. Also be sure to put on the application that you are taking the MCAT in July and go ahead and submit in June to get the ball rolling. My MCAT had ZERO Org II in it.
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Very possible. I dont know about Kaplan but Princeton Review will give you all the Organic Chem you need to know for the MCAT. The Bio section of the MCAT is very heavy on Biology, and I think my MCAT had like one question about NMR, which is I believe ORgo II. Hardly any. Almost 90% bio. I dont think this is going to change in the near future.
If it does, your test prep instructor will tell you, as all instrcutors are briefed on MCAT changes.
I took a course and I think it helped me a great deal, especially since I was out of school for a few years when I took it. I did fine.
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Berkeley Review is also a good one for chem,ochem, and physics. I'm actually studying on my own with EK Verbal and Bio..and BR Chem, Ochem, and Physics.
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I suggest you call each school directly. However, your primary isn't verified yet so I don't think they have ur info on file. Did you put on the primary that you plan to take the January one? If so, then they'll wait for your MCAT score any way. But to make things easy, wait til your app. is released to school, then call and let them know that you'll be taking (or you've taken) the MCAT in Sept. As soon as the result comes out in Oct., release the score to them.
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