2009 Match Results Disappointing

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I don't care what your career is or what pretext you claim to be posting under. Your posts come off as sophmoric. NOBODY CARES IF YOU ARE A SPECIALIST. BEING A SPECIALIST DOESN'T IMPRESS OTHER DOCTORS ESPECIALLY ONES THAT WOULDN'T ENJOY SPECIALIST MEDICINE. Here is some news for you. It ain't that hard to become a specialist. If it were there would't be way too many of them right now. Things change rapidly in medicine. You may just have bought high and be destined to sell low. Regardless you couldn't pay me enough to do the jobs of many specialist. Just way to confining.

My post had nothing to do with you but with andwhat and his perpetual need to attack those of us from subsepcialties that have posted in this thread with constructive criticism of how to fix the dismal FP match situation. I was responding to his criticism of us saying that we are jealous and have an inferiority complex.

As for how hard it is to be a specialist in my field (Radiation Oncology), I would argue that there are very few applicants for FM that could get an interview, let alone match into a Rad Onc program.

I may have bought high and will not be reimbursed at the rates that are present now but I enjoy what I do just as much as you enjoy FP. People in the FP forum seem to take any commentary on their specialty as an attack rather than what it is, internet forum based advice.

 

[andwhat]

Give it up guys, there is no point in wasting your time arguing with andwhat. Instead of making well thought out arguements he rambles in 1 sentence bursts about how great it is to be a hospitalist and how those of us make any form of critique on FP and it's dismal match are jealous or have an inferiority complex. Obviously this guy is not very rational.

Truth be told, I could have been accepted to pretty much any FP program in this country so what am I jealous of? I am going to make more than you and work equal or less hours. Oh yea...I'm going to be real jealous as I cash my paycheck every week. As for inferiority complex, is it just me or is this the pot calling the kettle black. Most of us come here to engage in a meaningful discussion, not to attack FP. Any time we raise any issue with regards to FP, andwhat sends out a slew of senseless replies, designed to tout his life as a hospitalist. I get it, you like your job but that's what this discussion is about.

awwwwwwww is it the angry Rad Onc guy again, did I hurt you're feelings 🙁 Aw I am sorry.
Better lifestyle than mine, I do not think so.... more money.. possibly.. but hey its a one-dimensional field, that you are stuck in for the rest of you're life... thats the great thing about our field, the variety..
Every day can be different, and I choose when I want to see which patient; I even choose which days I want to work.
Unlike yourself, you're life is carved in stone, and absolutely monotonous, and uni-dimensional, not to mention boring as can possibly be. Good for you.
sorry to hear that you are frustrated already. That is not a good start, considering that you have not even hit the real world as of yet. That is a disappointment.
"I am more superior than you!!!!!!"
Equals I am frustrated with my career choice.
Who would want to do Rads Onc, the most boring field imaginable??

hypercritical Attitude: People who do not feel good about themselves have trouble feeling good about anyone else. They look hard for flaws and shortcomings of others to try to convince themselves that they really aren't so bad after all. These people cannot feel intelligent, attractive, competent, etc., unless they are the most intelligent, attractive and competent person around.

this is exactly why people such as yourself, cannot stand FM people being happy.. you absolutely have to come on this forum, with hatred and animosity. You are unhappy, therefore you feel obligated to thrash and troll on this forum. You cannot stand it, that others are happy in their chosen fields.
You have contributed absolutely nothing to this forum, other than hating on others, including myself, for no wrong doing at all whatsoever.
I didn't say, "oh you're lifestyle is the best, I wish that I was you"
When in reality, I am extremely happy that I am not you. I would never want to do what you do actually. It would be depressing day after day.
I do not need more money, my wife earns more than I do, also in Primary Care.


Wagy, you are unhappy with what you do, therefore

Tendency Toward Blaming: Some people project their perceived weaknesses onto others in order to lessen the pain of feeling inferior. From here, it is only a short step to blaming others for one's failures.
equals=

wagy thoughts "how come 'andwhat' is not unhappy with what he does??"

defending my specialty, and admitting that I love it, equals a 'perpetual attack' ha ha ha ha this gets better by the second.

This is clear, and obvious. Sorry to hear that
But I love my job, and my lifestyle couldn't be better, thanks for the concern though

 

[2oRadio]

Better lifestyle than mine, I do not think so.... more money.. possibly.. but hey its a one-dimensional field, that you are stuck in for the rest of you're life... thats the great thing about our field, the variety

seems like ur the only one who thinks so. the med students clearly don't.

 

[andwhat]

seems like ur the only one who thinks so. the med students clearly don't.

that has nothing to do with anything chief.. just because not quite as many medical students didn't pursue my field, as compared to a few other fields, equals it isn't very good -- what sort of logic is that?????
Cummon, something constructive, that reflects what you are trying desperately to prove, that Primary Care and FM is horrid.
I am waiting..... Not intelligent, to point out that other med students didn't choose FM, therefore it does not have a great lifestyle... med students thus far have loved our rotation...
The fact that FM was not picked highly in the match, has what to do with the argument, that FM can offer a great lifestyle and money..... I offered a glimpse into what this field offers.... and I am extremely happy with my career choice...
It seems as if you are desperately trying to prove me wrong.... sad... but entertaining nonetheless.
this is actually stupidity
House A attracted more interest than House B, therefore House A is obviously superior!!!!!!
Illogically illogical.
I could not picture myself doing anything else.
Oh yeah.... USMLE scores of our group, 3 with 99s on step I, the rest of us above 90, including a D.O. whose board scores were close to 90s.
What exactly does that prove though?
You are stating that with my board scores, and clinical experience, I cannot match into Rad Onc? (I absolutely loathe that field btw, and am extremely happy that someone can withstand it)
Rad Onc

somebody likes images

 

[MedicineDoc]

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My post had nothing to do with you but with andwhat and his perpetual need to attack those of us from subsepcialties that have posted in this thread with constructive criticism of how to fix the dismal FP match situation. I was responding to his criticism of us saying that we are jealous and have an inferiority complex.</p>
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<p>As for how hard it is to be a specialist in my field (Radiation Oncology), I would argue that there are very few applicants for FM that could get an interview, let alone match into a Rad Onc program. </p>
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<p>I may have bought high and will not be reimbursed at the rates that are present now but I enjoy what I do just as much as you enjoy FP. People in the FP forum seem to take any commentary on their specialty as an attack rather than what it is, internet forum based advice.

I submit to you that the point is there are very few FM residents who couldn't do your job with no difference in outcomes should they receive the same training and wish to study in that area. What is it exactly that you are claiming separates you from the average family medicine resident? A weeks more studying for the steps prompted by knowledge of current competitiveness in the field? Are you asserting that there is a differnce in the quality of for example obgyn residents or anesthesia residents from when the fields were not as desired? Isn't it true that long term interest in the field is what makes a good attending and not the I need the best board score in my class so I will go without a girlfriend for three years or study an extra two weeks for my board exams? Is it radiation oncology you are interested in or being able to say you got into a field that may just so happen to be competitive at this point in time?

 

[2oRadio]

that has nothing to do with anything chief

looks like ur just trying to argue illogically then because it has everything to do with the original post by BlueDog. trying to fix the decrease in students picking FM. if it's so gr8t, why wouldnt students pick it? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

 

[psychforme]

looks like ur just trying to argue illogically then because it has everything to do with the original post by BlueDog. trying to fix the decrease in students picking FM. if it's so gr8t, why wouldnt students pick it? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Too hard for the median ******ed AMG? A donkey could pop pimples!

 

[andwhat]

looks like ur just trying to argue illogically then because it has everything to do with the original post by BlueDog. trying to fix the decrease in students picking FM. if it's so gr8t, why wouldnt students pick it? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

gosh the positivity and the love!!!!!
It would be nice, if a few more med students chose primary care... but check this one out...

I am extremely content, and satisfied with what I do, yet you and others are stating nonsensical things, such as above..
"an FM doctor cannot obtain the residency that I have"
what in the world does that have to do with anything pertinent to the original heading?

got it? GREAT! 👍

 

[andwhat]

looks like ur just trying to argue illogically then because it has everything to do with the original post by BlueDog. trying to fix the decrease in students picking FM. if it's so gr8t, why wouldnt students pick it? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Youre future, for the rest of you're life

which essentially is

mine

and of course when I am not working two weeks out of every single month, and half of the year

 

[sestamibi]

Too hard for the median ******ed AMG? A donkey could pop pimples!

Yeah, because that's ALL they do 🙄 Makes you just seem bitter 👎

 

[andwhat]

Yeah, because that's ALL they do 🙄 Makes you just seem bitter 👎

bitter about this for the rest of you're working life

cummon man.....

 

[sestamibi]

I don't agree with all that he says, but it's pretty funny. I'm sure some exaggeration is necessary too to get the ha-has. Still, a shame he no longer blogs.

Courtesy of http://www.studentdoctor.net/pandabearmd/2006/10/04/two-minute-drill/

"Family Medicine

See my many post on this subject. “Family” Medicine. Not manly. Not manly at all. “Family” anything is just not sexy. Too non-threatening. Trauma Surgery is the dangerous-looking thug dating and impregnating your daughter before dumping her for a Bolivian hooker with a wooden leg. Family Medicine is the decent, slightly pudgy guy named “Walter” who really loves your daughter for her personality and will live with the shame of being the step-father to the dangerous guy’s kid. And even though he beat her, your daughter still prefers the thug to her husband.

But that’s just me. It is a decent specialty but hugely unpopular like most of primary care. Despite pages of AMCAS personal statements now in the dustbin of application history, most people grow to find chronic management of patients somewhat unappealing. Sure, I liked some of my patients and was very happy to see them but you’re pretty much stuck with them all.

Family Medicine’s scope is too broad as it encompasses pediatrics, internal medicine, and Obstetrics and Gynecology (OB/Gyn). Let’s give it the benefit of the doubt and say intern year is interchangeble between these specialties. (it isn’t, you understand but let’s be charitable) You are still left with 2 years of FM to learn 2 year worth of peds, two years worth of internal medicine, and four years of OB/Gyn. That’s eight years of knowledge to cram into two years of FM after intern year.

Now, Family Physicians don’t claim to be pediatricians or internists but why take your kid to the FP whent there is a pediatrician in town? Also, most FPs don’t do a lick of OB secondary to the inabilty to get priveleges and liabilty so why bother getting the training other than the basic intern training that I believe every intern in every specialty should have?

Tremendous fear among family physicians and residents that they will be replaced eventually by Physician Assistants and Nurse Practioners who operate as primary care providors in many states almost free from physician supervision. Maybe not replaced but salary parity would make going to medical school and residency, seven years total, seem like a bad investment when a two or three years master’s degree gets the same pay.

If that weren’t bad enough, the fellowship offerings for those who wish to subspecialize are mighty slim pickings and few lead to accredidation in the new specialty. Sports Medicine is one good fellowship and much sought after. You can do an OB fellowship and (I believe) an Emergency Medicicne fellowship but neither lead to board certification and may or may not be career enhancing. Plenty of government jobs if you have the hankering to get a Masters of Public Health or work as the liason to some quasi-governmental group pushing hard for socialized medicine so the nanny-state can get us to eat our vegetables and lose weight."

 

[deleted87716]

Even though I'm not a moderator here any longer, this forum allows the original poster to close their own threads.

If this pointless name-calling continues, I'm doing just that.

 

[MedicineDoc]

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I don't agree with all that he says, but it's pretty funny. I'm sure some exaggeration is necessary too to get the ha-has. Still, a shame he no longer blogs.</p>
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<p>Courtesy of <a href="http://www.studentdoctor.net/pandabearmd/2006/10/04/two-minute-drill/" target="_blank">http://www.studentdoctor.net/pandabearmd/2006/10/04/two-minute-drill/</a></p>
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<p>&quot;<b>Family Medicine</b></p>
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<p>See my many post on this subject. ``Family`` Medicine. Not manly. Not manly at all. ``Family`` anything is just not sexy. Too non-threatening. Trauma Surgery is the dangerous-looking thug dating and impregnating your daughter before dumping her for a Bolivian hooker with a wooden leg. <b>Family Medicine is the decent, slightly pudgy guy named ``Walter`` who really loves your daughter for her personality and will live with the shame of being the step-father to the dangerous guy`s kid</b>. And even though he beat her, your daughter still prefers the thug to her husband.</p>
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<p>But that`s just me. It is a decent specialty but <b>hugely unpopular</b> like most of primary care. Despite pages of AMCAS personal statements now in the dustbin of application history, most people grow to find chronic management of patients somewhat unappealing. Sure, I liked some of my patients and was very happy to see them but you`re pretty much stuck with them all.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Family Medicine`s scope is too broad as it encompasses pediatrics, internal medicine, and Obstetrics and Gynecology (OB/Gyn). Let`s give it the benefit of the doubt and say intern year is interchangeble between these specialties. (it isn`t, you understand but let`s be charitable) You are still left with 2 years of FM to learn 2 year worth of peds, two years worth of internal medicine, and four years of OB/Gyn. That`s eight years of knowledge to cram into two years of FM after intern year.</p>
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<p>Now, Family Physicians don`t claim to be pediatricians or internists but why take your kid to the FP whent there is a pediatrician in town? Also, most FPs don`t do a lick of OB secondary to the inabilty to get priveleges and liabilty so why bother getting the training other than the basic intern training that I believe every intern in every specialty should have?</p>
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<p><b>Tremendous fear among family physicians and residents that they will be replaced eventually by Physician Assistants and Nurse Practioners who operate as primary care providors in many states almost free from physician supervision. Maybe not replaced but salary parity would make going to medical school and residency, seven years total, seem like a bad investment</b> when a two or three years master`s degree gets the same pay.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>If that weren`t bad enough, the fellowship offerings for those who wish to subspecialize are mighty slim pickings and few lead to accredidation in the new specialty. Sports Medicine is one good fellowship and much sought after. You can do an OB fellowship and (I believe) an Emergency Medicicne fellowship but neither lead to board certification and may or may not be career enhancing. Plenty of government jobs if you have the hankering to get a Masters of Public Health or work as the liason to some quasi-governmental group pushing hard for socialized medicine so the nanny-state can get us to eat our vegetables and lose weight.&quot;</p>
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<p><a href="http://img2.studentdoctor.net/images/smilies/laughy.gif" border="0" alt="" title="laughy" smilieid="13" class="inlineimg" />

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<p>Well I'll tell you what sestamibi. I did my stent doing meaningless scut in a specialist residency with no free time to dating multiple girls including a stripper whom I've been dating since November after having given her my FM card with my cell on it after getting a lap dance. While you may give other radiation oncologist men boners I suspect that's about it. I get almost all weekends off AND actually have time to study, learn and have a life. I take call from home by the way. You on the other hand have your fantasies of yourself which no one shares except other dorks.

 

[R-35]

Just close the thread, this is pointless. Don't keep feeding the troll.

 

[djnels01]

oh my god this thread is still going?

 

[andwhat]

I don't agree with all that he says, but it's pretty funny. I'm sure some exaggeration is necessary too to get the ha-has. Still, a shame he no longer blogs.

Courtesy of http://www.studentdoctor.net/pandabearmd/2006/10/04/two-minute-drill/

"Family Medicine

See my many post on this subject. "Family" Medicine. Not manly. Not manly at all. "Family" anything is just not sexy. Too non-threatening. Trauma Surgery is the dangerous-looking thug dating and impregnating your daughter before dumping her for a Bolivian hooker with a wooden leg. Family Medicine is the decent, slightly pudgy guy named "Walter" who really loves your daughter for her personality and will live with the shame of being the step-father to the dangerous guy's kid. And even though he beat her, your daughter still prefers the thug to her husband.

But that's just me. It is a decent specialty but hugely unpopular like most of primary care. Despite pages of AMCAS personal statements now in the dustbin of application history, most people grow to find chronic management of patients somewhat unappealing. Sure, I liked some of my patients and was very happy to see them but you're pretty much stuck with them all.

Family Medicine's scope is too broad as it encompasses pediatrics, internal medicine, and Obstetrics and Gynecology (OB/Gyn). Let's give it the benefit of the doubt and say intern year is interchangeble between these specialties. (it isn't, you understand but let's be charitable) You are still left with 2 years of FM to learn 2 year worth of peds, two years worth of internal medicine, and four years of OB/Gyn. That's eight years of knowledge to cram into two years of FM after intern year.

Now, Family Physicians don't claim to be pediatricians or internists but why take your kid to the FP whent there is a pediatrician in town? Also, most FPs don't do a lick of OB secondary to the inabilty to get priveleges and liabilty so why bother getting the training other than the basic intern training that I believe every intern in every specialty should have?

Tremendous fear among family physicians and residents that they will be replaced eventually by Physician Assistants and Nurse Practioners who operate as primary care providors in many states almost free from physician supervision. Maybe not replaced but salary parity would make going to medical school and residency, seven years total, seem like a bad investment when a two or three years master's degree gets the same pay.

If that weren't bad enough, the fellowship offerings for those who wish to subspecialize are mighty slim pickings and few lead to accredidation in the new specialty. Sports Medicine is one good fellowship and much sought after. You can do an OB fellowship and (I believe) an Emergency Medicicne fellowship but neither lead to board certification and may or may not be career enhancing. Plenty of government jobs if you have the hankering to get a Masters of Public Health or work as the liason to some quasi-governmental group pushing hard for socialized medicine so the nanny-state can get us to eat our vegetables and lose weight."

tremendous fear???? That is totally off. As a matter of fact, I would literally love to welcome more P.A.s and N.P.s to help us out. They (P.A.s and N.P.s) already do as a matter of fact, and I would welcome much more.
Not 'manly' that is a matter of opinion.. which is simply way way off in my opinion. More like much more laid back personalities, and genuine individuals....
Hugely unpopular?? Again people love our Hospitalist rotation.
Family Medicine is awesome too.
Family Medicine is broad, but look at the opportunities once you graduate
FP with Ob Gyn
Traditional Outpatient FM
Urgent Care
Sports Medicine
Geriatrics
Hospitalist
Hospital Administration
The list goes on and on... I am not sure why there is so much hate on this thread and board -- it simply is unjustifiable.. 👎
This isn't a good article at all whatsoever. 👎thumbdown
It is so far from reality, that I almost cringe reading it....

(by the way the girls love us on the floors)

 

[tony montana]

Close this thread?

Not in a million years!


This thread should never die! 👍