**2010-2011** "What are my Chances? Where Should I apply? What should I do?"

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What score would I need to get into DO school. What are my chances with my current grades.

You'll hate my answers but here we go.

1) Setting a minimum score goal is selling yourself short. Work to do your absolute best. Given your low grades, you'll need to do fairly well on the MCAT (think 28+) to really give them confidence in your abilities to do well.

2) It is nearly impossible to speculate (particularly since we don't know how well you write (can you tell a good story in your PS and secondaries) and it's even harder to speculate sans an MCAT score but if you apply broadly, early and have a strong letter from a DO, I think you'll land somewhere. Good luck to you.

 

[ScarletKnights]

my only worry is that after i take my mcat in aug i wont be early anymore so i will be at a disadvantage. i appreciate the reply, thank you.

 

[scaredoflife]

Hey guys im just wondering what my chances are at the upcoming 2011 cycle. My stats are as follows:

Bio I/II: D/D retaken for A/A-
Bio Lab I/II: A/A
Chem I/II: C/C going to retake this summer hopefully A/A
Chem Lab: C+
Orgo I/II: C/C
Orgo Lab: currently taking
Physics I/II: B/B+
Physics Lab I/II: A/A

My GPA after this summer will be 3.15 sGPA and 3.17 cGPA. I am planning on taking the MCAT this Aug after my Kaplan course is complete. What score would I need to get into DO school. What are my chances with my current grades.

You do have some low grades in your pre-req classes, but I wouldn't fret. Since you are retaking many and you are showing that you can get A's in those classes it should be fine. Did you just not like chemistry cuz I see a bad pattern there?

The grades are a bit on the low scale so far as the MCAT goes I would shoot for above 25+. You won't be completely late for DO since their admission cycles are bit later in terms of due dates than MD. But I would get your application ready before the MCAT or just a little after since around that time it takes a while to get verified. MD or DO early is definitely better, but August is not as late as it seems.

I am pretty sure you can go through the verification process while you are waiting on a score. Correct me SDNers if I am wrong.

But go ahead and apply early and just shoot for the stars during the MCAT. A Retake MCAT that late is hard to go through and trying to get in after the re-take is doable but slim.

Just go through with the plan, do you have good clinical and extracurricular experience?

 

[ScarletKnights]

i have tons of volunteer experience but unfortunately i have no research experience
thanks everyone for the response

 

[scaredoflife]

Good luck to ya, make sure to get clinical experience. Because if you are applying to DO school, a DO letter is definitely necessary and clinical shadowing opportunity will help to get the letter.

Fingers crossed for your future endeavors.

 

[Krupat]

Hi another RU student here:

I am a Junior.

BIO I/II with Labs- B+/B
CHEM I/II- C/C+ Will Retake.
CHEM Lab- B+
ORGO I/II- B/B
NUTRITION and HEALTH- A
Anatomy and Physiology I- A
Human Parasitology- A
Taking Biochem.: Thus far I have a B.
I will take Orgo Lab and Physics soon.
I am a Evolutionary Anthropology Major and Nutrition Minor.

I am President of CARE (my own organization that raises funds each semester for a country that needs help and also for a cause in the US).
Vice President of Pilot Me (child mentoring).
Treasurer of my current dorm building.
Treasurer of previous dorm building.
Public Relations for Global Brigades.
Volunteer at Robert Wood Johnson.
I have done, and will do more things.

I don't know I just want advice since I have been through a rough patch with the loss of my father to cancer last spring and my grandma this spring. My GPA is 3.37. Evol. Anthro. includes classes like molecular evolutionary anthropology which I believe would also go under my science GPA since we learn PCR methods and genetics. Anyway thanks everyone!

 

[scaredoflife]

Hi another RU student here:

I am a Junior.

BIO I/II with Labs- B+/B
CHEM I/II- C/C+ Will Retake.
CHEM Lab- B+
ORGO I/II- B/B
NUTRITION and HEALTH- A
Anatomy and Physiology I- A
Human Parasitology- A
Taking Biochem.: Thus far I have a B.
I will take Orgo Lab and Physics soon.
I am a Evolutionary Anthropology Major and Nutrition Minor.

I am President of CARE (my own organization that raises funds each semester for a country that needs help and also for a cause in the US).
Vice President of Pilot Me (child mentoring).
Treasurer of my current dorm building.
Treasurer of previous dorm building.
Public Relations for Global Brigades.
Volunteer at Robert Wood Johnson.
I have done, and will do more things.

I don't know I just want advice since I have been through a rough patch with the loss of my father to cancer last spring and my grandma this spring. My GPA is 3.37. Evol. Anthro. includes classes like molecular evolutionary anthropology which I believe would also go under my science GPA since we learn PCR methods and genetics. Anyway thanks everyone!

Hello and sorry for your loss.

Your GPA is around average between 3.35-3.5. When are you looking to apply if I may ask?

Also have you taken the MCAT? If not you would probably need to score around 25+. 25 is usually the average MCAT for DO schools and anything above makes your competitive.

Shadowing would be a good option for future activities because it will allow you to experience clinical atmosphere. Also it will help you get close to a doctor so that he/she may write you a letter. This will be necessary when applying to many DO schools they highly recommend it.

You extracurriculars look good so I wouldn't change it, just be active. Make sure just to do well on the MCAT and stay positive for school.

APPLY early and Broadly!

Good luck with future endeavors.

 

[Krupat]

Thanks.

I have actually shadowed a DO Oncologist who helped me when my dad was in the hospital.

I plan on applying a year late since I want to spend time with my mom who is alone most of the time, and I want to get life straight.

No I have not taken the MCATS but will do so after I take a KAPLAN course which I heard helps a lot.

As for extracurriculars:

I was in the premed/predent club freshman year.
I shadowed that year.
I have been VP of Pilot Me Since Freshman Year.
I used to volunteer at the ER at Robert Wood, but I switched to Cancer Institute at RWJ.
I worked at a medical lab one summer doing insurance stuff.
I did research on animal reproduction, and research on aspartane's effects on rats.
I have started hospice volunteering but haven't had much time but will do this in the summer for sure.
I am still looking for more.

Anyone else have advice?

 

[csmittyB]

i have tons of volunteer experience but unfortunately i have no research experience
thanks everyone for the response

I wouldn't worry too much about lack of research experience for DO schools.

 

[CycloneDO]

I have a 3.58 cGPA, 3.39 sGPA, and I scored a 35 (11/11/13) on June 09 MCAT. What do you guys think my chances are for DO schools? I would like to stay close to Pacific Northwest, but DMU is my #1, although I feel DMU is a long shot because my GPA is pretty low compared to that school's average. I would like to attend DMU though, do I have a decent chance or would I just be wasting my money? Thanks.

I got accepted this year to DMU with a 3.1-3.2 undergrad and a 29 MCAT. You're gpa is not too low and DMU would be worth the move (in my opinion) Good luck to everyone.

 

[kleos atanatos]

Hi everyone.

So I'm applying this upcoming cycle. I'm a California resident but my top choice is TCOM. Do I have a chance? Where else should I apply?

Stats:
School: UCLA
MCAT: 29Q
GPA: 3.58c/3.3s

ECs:
Clinical OR Surgery/Anesthesia Research
Graded 3rd year medical students on their clinical patient exams
Submitted 2nd-author manuscript to medical education journal
Fraternity officer
Tennis Instructor
US Open Ball Boy
VA Physical Therapy Volunteer
About to start volunteering in ER

LORs: 3 professors, 1 clinical research, 1 D.O.

 

[Morsetlis]

Graded 3rd year medical students on their clinical patient exams

Were you a simulated patient?

 

[kleos atanatos]

Were you a simulated patient?

kind of...the student would walk into a room where it was me and an electronic mannequin on the floor (fallen patient). I played along as the ignorant clerk who graded the student on his basic life support skills.

 

[Morsetlis]

Wtf! I want that job! Who what where when why how!

I don't even know what to call it 😛

 

[kleos atanatos]

Wtf! I want that job! Who what where when why how!

I don't even know what to call it 😛

lol it was pretty tight. It was only for 2 weeks when they have their exams. I just got lucky because I worked in the simulation department. They had EMT students help too. I think it would be tight to work as a simulated patient...seemed like it paid well. All I got was some free food lol

 

[Bacchus]

You don't want to be an SP.

 

[kleos atanatos]

You don't want to be an SP.

You know what... the SPs I saw were most likely happy because everyone in LA is an aspiring actor/actress. That was probably their big gig.

 

[rainashley]

I applied to medical school (MD) in order to matriculate for Fall 2010. My stats are as follows: 3.5 overall GPA, 3.3 BCPM (from Ivy League)… 24 MCAT. I retook it and got a 23. My composite (best score) is a 25 (8 verbal, 8 physics, 9 bio). I applied as a disadvantaged (non-minority) student in NY. I did not get 1 interview.
I am currently taking upper division bio courses at a local 4-year (lower-tier) college in order to raise my undergraduate science GPA. I am currently taking 14 credits worth of bio courses, such as genetics and cell bio. In addition, I am currently volunteering at a hospital (ER), tutoring in science subjects, and a few other side jobs. I would love to go to NYCOM. What are my chances for DO? Any other questions, please ask. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thank you!

 

[SoulinNeed]

You're going to have to redo that GPA, DO schools don't count math classes towards the Science GPA, so that may hurt you or help you. At this point, I would recommend a higher MCAT score to the 26-28 range, at least, but there are people here who know way more about this than I do.

 

[thakerm]

from my experience, 28 mcat is starting the become the baseline. If you need MCAT help, I found the mcat discussion thread to be extremely helpful, esp the 30+ Mcat guide. I used BR, EK, and Kaplan and scored very well on my mcat. You can do it too! Just take the MCAT when you are ready! Never rush it. Also look into any post bac programs linked to NYCOM. That can really help you get into medical school.

 

[rainashley]

I applied to medical school (MD) in order to matriculate for Fall 2010. My stats are as follows: 3.5 overall GPA, 3.3 BCPM (from Ivy League)… 24 MCAT. I retook it and got a 23. My composite (best score) is a 25 (8 verbal, 8 physics, 9 bio). I applied as a disadvantaged (non-minority) student in NY. I did not get 1 interview.
I am currently taking upper division bio courses at a local 4-year (lower-tier) college in order to raise my undergraduate science GPA. I am currently taking 14 credits worth of bio courses, such as genetics and cell bio. In addition, I am currently volunteering at a hospital (ER), tutoring in science subjects, and a few other side jobs. I would love to go to NYCOM. What are my chances for DO? Any other questions, please ask. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thank you!

If DO schools don't count Math in the science GPA, then my science GPA would increase. I took one math course and got a B-. The 14 credit courses I am taking right now will help bring up my science GPA too.
What would be my chances if I don't retake the MCAT?
I called NYCOM. They said their average MCAT is a 26 and they take the composite scores.

 

[zmkelchn]

I'm interested to applying to DO schools, and would like to go into orthopedics (also considering podiatry). However, my sGPA is a little on the low side.
Zoology - B-
Cell Biology - B+
Inorganic Chem - A-
Inorganic Chem II - B
Physics I - A-
Physics II - A
Botany - B+
Genetics - B
Ochem I - C
Microbio - B
Scientific Advances - A (if this even counts)
3 science seminars each at 1 credit for an A
Ecology - B

This brings my sGPA to a very low 3.15-3.2, but my non sGPA is a 3.9 - a huge gap which I feel will be a red flag.

I am a JR, participate in varsity track, Volunteer for Haiti, volunteered in the ER for a summer, am doing ovarian cancer research, and was a resident assistant for two years. I also have worked in a Gastroenterology office for three years.

My question is, assuming I score well on the MCAT, should I apply for this cycle or do some grad work or a SMP. I seem to have trouble getting As in my sci classes (although I have plenty of Bs) I am currently taking Endo, Immunology, Ochem II, Calc, and an elective, which I should get Bs or As in. Bs, however, will only lower my GPA further! I would appreciate any advice.

Posted this in another DO thread, perhaps a mod could remove it

 

[scaredoflife]

I'm interested to applying to DO schools, and would like to go into orthopedics (also considering podiatry). However, my sGPA is a little on the low side.
Zoology - B-
Cell Biology - B+
Inorganic Chem - A-
Inorganic Chem II - B
Physics I - A-
Physics II - A
Botany - B+
Genetics - B
Ochem I - C
Microbio - B
Scientific Advances - A (if this even counts)
3 science seminars each at 1 credit for an A
Ecology - B

This brings my sGPA to a very low 3.15-3.2, but my non sGPA is a 3.9 - a huge gap which I feel will be a red flag.

I am a JR, participate in varsity track, Volunteer for Haiti, volunteered in the ER for a summer, am doing ovarian cancer research, and was a resident assistant for two years. I also have worked in a Gastroenterology office for three years.

My question is, assuming I score well on the MCAT, should I apply for this cycle or do some grad work or a SMP. I seem to have trouble getting As in my sci classes (although I have plenty of Bs) I am currently taking Endo, Immunology, Ochem II, Calc, and an elective, which I should get Bs or As in. Bs, however, will only lower my GPA further! I would appreciate any advice.

Posted this in another DO thread, perhaps a mod could remove it

You science gpa is low, but not to low because some people SDN have gotten in with sGPA around there. If you do well meaning around 25+ then go ahead and apply don't see why you would get in. SMP should be a last resort because if you do that program and don't do well you ruin medical school career option. Try to work hard and get those A's in those hard science classes it will matter more, for stuff like immunology so you can show the adcoms that you are able to do it.

Your extracurricular activities are great, clinical experience is great (make sure to get a DO letter if you want to apply to DO), and your research is also another extra bonus. Overall you even have international aid concern so that makes you a plus as well.

If MCAT goes well I would apply!

Good luck hope that answers your questions. 👍

 

[scaredoflife]

If DO schools don't count Math in the science GPA, then my science GPA would increase. I took one math course and got a B-. The 14 credit courses I am taking right now will help bring up my science GPA too.
What would be my chances if I don't retake the MCAT?
I called NYCOM. They said their average MCAT is a 26 and they take the composite scores.

Your highest MCAT is a 24 right so a retake is definitely in the works if you are looking to just apply to NYCOM. Some schools might offer you interviews with a 24, but not always. Your best bet would be to retake try your hardest again believe me I know feeling I've had a rough time for sure it pays off in the end.

Retake and try to get that 26. NYCOM's average is 26 so they take lower tier of MCAT scores and higher.

I don't recall reading if you already applied to NYCOM? If you did get rejected I would call the adcoms and bug them about how to improve your chances of getting in.

best of luck mate! 👍

 

[D0WNxSH1FT]

Not me, a friend...

This would be a re-apply for NYCOM, PCOM (applied late, no interview from either), maybe try Touro-NY this time too.

Stats:

NY Resident
GPA: 3.2
MCAT: 29 Q
EC: Sorority member, nursing home-volunteer in college, published in one paper (not author), waiting on another. Worked in Chem lab during college. Currently works for Optometrists who work at Nursing Homes.
LOR: The usual one from her college based on two Professor's letters.

Shadowing: none
DO Letters: none

Advice?

 

[dudechiefboss]

Not me, a friend...

This would be a re-apply for NYCOM, PCOM (applied late, no interview from either), maybe try Touro-NY this time too.

Stats:

NY Resident
GPA: 3.2
MCAT: 29 Q
EC: Sorority member, nursing home-volunteer in college, published in one paper (not author), waiting on another. Worked in Chem lab during college. Currently works for Optometrists who work at Nursing Homes.
LOR: The usual one from her college based on two Professor's letters.

Shadowing: none
DO Letters: none

Advice?

IMO: I would advise to get some shadowing under a DO/MD and get a DO letter. The MCAT is above average, but the gpa is below average. So, the applicant "looks" average. The individual may land some interviews, but really they need some physcian shadowing to pull an acceptance.

If they apply early and have a good PS, I think they will pull a Touro-NY interview.

If I had those stats and ECs, I would apply to more than three colleges, but that's me. Good luck!

 

[D0WNxSH1FT]

IMO: I would advise to get some shadowing under a DO/MD and get a DO letter. The MCAT is above average, but the gpa is below average. So, the applicant "looks" average. The individual may land some interviews, but really they need some physcian shadowing to pull an acceptance.

If they apply early and have a good PS, I think they will pull a Touro-NY interview.

If I had those stats and ECs, I would apply to more than three colleges, but that's me. Good luck!

Thanks.

She applied this current cycle to Stony Brook, Downstate, NYMC, Temple, Drexel, NYCOM, PCOM and UNECOM. No luck at any, unless an interview invite comes very soon.

Do you think she should retake some classes this summer? Or is it not worth it since technically the classes wouldnt be done before applying in June/July.

 

[rubisco88]

I'm currently a junior at a UC. I'm planning on taking a gap year to get more experience, take the MCAT, and focus on applications. My current science GPA is a 3.3 and overall GPA is a 3.5. I'm planning to start volunteering in clinics via the pre-dental club at my school this year. I know they mostly do pre-dent clinical work, but I think the interaction I would get with patients would be very valuable. The pre-dental club has their own clinic, while other pre-med clubs at my school don't really do anything....just have meetings and talk. Hopefully I'll be able to get 50+ hours of clinical experience. In addition, I'm planning to shadow a D.O. during the summer. Assuming I do decent or better on the MCAT, what are my shots to getting into a D.O. school? Which D.O. schools are the least competitive?

 

[rubisco88]

I realized I posted this in the wrong place. I'm moving it.

 

[rubisco88]

I'm currently a junior at a UC. I'm planning on taking a gap year to get more experience, take the MCAT, and focus on applications. My current science GPA is a 3.3 and overall GPA is a 3.5. I'm planning to start volunteering in clinics via the pre-dental club at my school this year. I know they mostly do pre-dent clinical work, but I think the interaction I would get with patients would be very valuable. The pre-dental club has their own clinic, while other pre-med clubs at my school don't really do anything....just have meetings and talk. Hopefully I'll be able to get 50+ hours of clinical experience. In addition, I'm planning to shadow a D.O. during the summer. Assuming I do decent or better on the MCAT, what are my shots to getting into a D.O. school? Which D.O. schools are the least competitive?

During my gap year, I plan on getting more clinical experience and volunteering mostly.

 

[Everglide]

-What are you doing with your gap year?
-Make sure you get a letter from the D.O.
-Your GPA looks pretty good but it's tough to speculate without an MCAT or specific schools.

 

[rainashley]

I applied to medical school (MD only) in order to matriculate for Fall 2010 (zero interviews). My stats are as follows: 3.5 overall GPA, 3.4 BCPM (from Ivy League)… 24 MCAT. I retook it and got a 23. My composite (best score) is a 25 (8 verbal, 8 physics, 9 bio). I applied as a disadvantaged (non-minority) student in NY.
I am currently taking upper division bio courses at a local 4-year (lower-tier) college in order to raise my undergraduate science GPA. I am currently taking 14 credits worth of bio courses, such as genetics and cell bio. I plan to get As in all of them. In addition, I am currently volunteering at a hospital (ER), tutoring in science subjects, and a few other side jobs. I have many other EC's as well. What are my chances for DO school (with the current MCAT scores)?
Thanks

 

[Mesican24]

I applied to medical school (MD only) in order to matriculate for Fall 2010 (zero interviews). My stats are as follows: 3.5 overall GPA, 3.4 BCPM (from Ivy League)… 24 MCAT. I retook it and got a 23. My composite (best score) is a 25 (8 verbal, 8 physics, 9 bio). I applied as a disadvantaged (non-minority) student in NY.
I am currently taking upper division bio courses at a local 4-year (lower-tier) college in order to raise my undergraduate science GPA. I am currently taking 14 credits worth of bio courses, such as genetics and cell bio. I plan to get As in all of them. In addition, I am currently volunteering at a hospital (ER), tutoring in science subjects, and a few other side jobs. I have many other EC's as well. What are my chances for DO school (with the current MCAT scores)?
Thanks

Probably pretty good. I would apply next cycle, and maybe take the MCAT again. Going down doesnt look too good.

I have lower stats and got accepted. Although I am a URM

 

[poopyhead]

Although I'm not applying this cycle (pretty obvious why after reading my post), I thought I'll put some basic info for feedback. It'll be much more detailed in next year's "what are my chances" thread, since I'll be applying then.

cGPA = 3.529 (UC Berkeley Molecular & Cell Bio)

sGPA = 3.262 (might be 3.306 if a certain class ends up counting as "science")

MCAT = 36Q (P13, V9, B14)

7 years full time employment on stem cell (bone biology) academic research (non-trad *ahem* ;p)

2 semesters volunteer academic research Lawrence Berkeley National Lab

Any rough estimates how much clinical volunteer experience I will need?

Also, is this anywhere near competitive for DO/PhD and DO/MS programs?

thanks in advance ^^

 

[istunn]

Hi Guys, this is my first time posting on the forum. I am currently a 4th year pharmacy student who will graduate in May, however I want to go to med school. I am also wondering how my Pharm.D will affect my chances, either positively or negatively. I did horrible for my first 2 years of undergraduate study so I had to retake some classes. Since I am a Texas resident, I wanted to apply to TCOM, but I am also open to other schools. I calculated 2 seperate GPA's according to AACOMAS and TMDSAS standards as accurately as I could, however TMDSAS may be difference since I did not get a Bachelor's and the website stated that it may include my pharmacy coursework for my science GPA.

TMDSAS GPA
Cumulative: 3.319
Science: 3.449

AACOMAS GPA
Cumulative: 3.438
Science: 3.673

Pharmacy GPA
Overall: 3.51


I have yet to take the MCAT and plan to do so this summer after I finish physics 2 as a pre-req. It seems like that magic number is 28 so I hope to do that well. Please don't question my interest in med school as I sacrificed a lot to even have a chance for admission. This is what I want to do. Yes, I should have done it earlier, but I made an expensive mistake and I will pay for it..literally. However, money isn't everything to me and I will work during this application cycle to pay off most of my loans.



So what do you guys think? What is the minimum MCAT score that I can get but yet still be competitive.


BTW, thanks for all the info on the forum, it really helps a lot.

 

[istunn]

I forgot to mention that my EC's are good. I started a community service club and was active in many clubs during undergrad and grad schools. Volunteered at food banks, did research over the summer and published a couple of papers this past year in pharmacy. I will have 4 LOR's that include a Dean from my pharmacy school, professor in research, one pharmacy preceptor, and a DO that I have been working with during my rotations.

 

[scaredoflife]

Hi Guys, this is my first time posting on the forum. I am currently a 4th year pharmacy student who will graduate in May, however I want to go to med school. I am also wondering how my Pharm.D will affect my chances, either positively or negatively. I did horrible for my first 2 years of undergraduate study so I had to retake some classes. Since I am a Texas resident, I wanted to apply to TCOM, but I am also open to other schools. I calculated 2 seperate GPA's according to AACOMAS and TMDSAS standards as accurately as I could, however TMDSAS may be difference since I did not get a Bachelor's and the website stated that it may include my pharmacy coursework for my science GPA.

TMDSAS GPA
Cumulative: 3.319
Science: 3.449

AACOMAS GPA
Cumulative: 3.438
Science: 3.673

Pharmacy GPA
Overall: 3.51


I have yet to take the MCAT and plan to do so this summer after I finish physics 2 as a pre-req. It seems like that magic number is 28 so I hope to do that well. Please don't question my interest in med school as I sacrificed a lot to even have a chance for admission. This is what I want to do. Yes, I should have done it earlier, but I made an expensive mistake and I will pay for it..literally. However, money isn't everything to me and I will work during this application cycle to pay off most of my loans.



So what do you guys think? What is the minimum MCAT score that I can get but yet still be competitive.


BTW, thanks for all the info on the forum, it really helps a lot.

I forgot to mention that my EC's are good. I started a community service club and was active in many clubs during undergrad and grad schools. Volunteered at food banks, did research over the summer and published a couple of papers this past year in pharmacy. I will have 4 LOR's that include a Dean from my pharmacy school, professor in research, one pharmacy preceptor, and a DO that I have been working with during my rotations.

All in all I think your application is very well put together. I think if anything the adcoms will ask why you chose to do Medical School after Pharm. D and you can explain that with your own meaningful answer. I don't think Pharm. D should affect you negatively in anyway it should add you to your list of experiences to being a better doctor, one that knows in-depth the effects of drugs they are sometimes prescribing hehe. 🙄

You ec's are great, wrote some research papers, shadow a DO, and you have LOR's already perfect (especially ones from Pharmacy school which shows they care).

As far as the MCAT goes you had the score about right, I would say your GPA's are not bad at all they are at average if not above average. Glad to read that you retook classes and did well for the ones that you didn't do hot in. This shows the adcoms the confidence in your ability to go back and retake classes knowing that you could have done better and not fully giving up.

MCAT wise never set a goal just shoot for the stars, but because everyone wants numbers just do your best to get above 25+. I have to say if you do get 25+, I don't see why you would not get an interview. (The average MCAT for this past year 2009 was 26) I mean if you are limited to just TCOM then you might want to call up the school and see if you can get some guidance. But if you are open to others schools you should be fine. 🙂

Good luck in the process and don't let anyone discourage you in your dream. Have fun in future endeavors! 😉

 

[phEight]

Thanks for any information people. I apologize for the lengthy post. I welcome responses even from people who just glance at my numbers.

Majors:
Biochemistry / Psychology (Biochemistry being the primary major... psychology major may just end up being a minor depending on certain circumstances which I am not able to determine just yet. I am only 3 courses away from a psychology major not counting current courses though. Doubt it matters much.)

Story:
Let me begin by saying I did horrible in certain math courses worth 5 credit hours when I first started school. I always had performed far below my potential throughout my entire academic career (including middle/high school) and I never really knew why my grades didn't reflect my intelligence. I chalked up it up to a bunch of things and through some pretty difficult times I decided (at the beginning of my 5th year in college, by the time most damage was already done...) to go to a psychiatrist and I was found to be a textbook case of inattentive-ADD. Please save the judgmental attitudes about this disorder for somewhere else. It has been life changing in more ways than most people could ever imagine for me to be finally be diagnosed, and it's insulting when people downplay this disorder (I don't feel ill from the comments... I ignore them, but they are insulting nonetheless) to laziness or as if it's something one chooses. Sorry if I come off defensive.

I would like to point out I do not wish to use my condition as an excuse. The point I would rather make is that throughout my journey here I've kept up a rather strong will to accomplish my goals. I don't view my diagnosis as some freepass card but I point it out because it is an important part of who I am and it is something I worked seriously hard to overcome (without realizing I was having to overcome something). I am proud to say I've made tremendous progress in all aspects of my life. It's not an accomplishment readily visible to the outside world but it is plenty apparent within myself.

Grades:
I plan to graduate at the end of this summer or in the fall, however I will post my realistically projected GPA counting the end of this semester (it could be slightly better or slightly worse).

AACOMAS GPA:
Science: 3.19
Non-science: 3.23
Cumulative: 3.21

AACOMAS GPA 2
Science: 3.05
Non-science: 2.72
Cumulative: 2.88

So the reason why I have these different GPAs is because when I first started college I failed precalculus and calculus I (twice). These courses were worth 4 credit hours and 5 credit hours, respectively. I also received a D in general chemistry 1 which had a combined lab + course grade worth 5 credit hours. When I retook these courses at another university, the credit hours were worth less. Precalculus was worth 3 hours, calculus 4 hours, and a separate general chemistry lecture worth 3 hours and a lab worth 1 hour for a combination of 4 hours. So, my 2nd set of GPA is NOT counting these courses as retakes.

As you all can see, I seriously need these retakes to count and I will list the classes as such in the app. It's not hard to prove the classes were nearly identical... they are generic courses with nearly identical curriculum across universities. I just hope somehow this works out.

There is also a strong upward trend. Last semester I took some upper level biochem classes (nucleic acids, clinical biochemistry, cell biology, and couple other nonscience courses) and had a 3.7 GPA. I also took Calculus II (received a B) and III (had to retake this... received a D the first time and a B+ the second... but this retake is eligible). Post diagnosis (just last semester) I've been able to do significantly better in courses involving math... I am taking biophysics now which is very calculus heavy and will likely receive an A in this class.

MCAT:
28O (10PS/10BS/8VR)
I took it last summer and want to take it again because I know I can do better. I didn't even get through all the practice material I had planned so I do think I stand a good chance at improvement on a retake especially after the upper level courses I've recently taken. I think I want to try and take it early June.

ECs/Letters:
Not much here it seems. I've volunteered a little at a hospital. I plan to shadow a doctor soon. I've taught reading courses for children over past summers and have also taught 11th/12th grade religion courses (on weekends) through 2 semesters. I've been getting involved in a bit of research with one of my professors this semester, but it's nothing extraordinary. I'm part of neuroscience society (just a member). I am passionate about many things and have a very strong desire to learn for the sake of learning. I honestly feel like my most innate trait is trying to help and improve the lives of others. I've been told countless times I belong in medicine by most who know me. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to illustrate these traits (personal statements come to mind but not sure how much weight they carry) because I am lacking 'official' experience that one can put on an application.

This is the first semester I seem to be getting along well with some of my professors and I think I'll be able to secure at least one good letter and at least one mediocre one.

Thanks for reading!

 

[boone95]

Thanks for any information people. I apologize for the lengthy post. I welcome responses even from people who just glance at my numbers.

Majors:
Biochemistry / Psychology (Biochemistry being the primary major... psychology major may just end up being a minor depending on certain circumstances which I am not able to determine just yet. I am only 3 courses away from a psychology major not counting current courses though. Doubt it matters much.)

Story:
Let me begin by saying I did horrible in certain math courses worth 5 credit hours when I first started school. I always had performed far below my potential throughout my entire academic career (including middle/high school) and I never really knew why my grades didn't reflect my intelligence. I chalked up it up to a bunch of things and through some pretty difficult times I decided (at the beginning of my 5th year in college, by the time most damage was already done...) to go to a psychiatrist and I was found to be a textbook case of inattentive-ADD. Please save the judgmental attitudes about this disorder for somewhere else. It has been life changing in more ways than most people could ever imagine for me to be finally be diagnosed, and it's insulting when people downplay this disorder (I don't feel ill from the comments... I ignore them, but they are insulting nonetheless) to laziness or as if it's something one chooses. Sorry if I come off defensive.

I would like to point out I do not wish to use my condition as an excuse. The point I would rather make is that throughout my journey here I've kept up a rather strong will to accomplish my goals. I don't view my diagnosis as some freepass card but I point it out because it is an important part of who I am and it is something I worked seriously hard to overcome (without realizing I was having to overcome something). I am proud to say I've made tremendous progress in all aspects of my life. It's not an accomplishment readily visible to the outside world but it is plenty apparent within myself.

Grades:
I plan to graduate at the end of this summer or in the fall, however I will post my realistically projected GPA counting the end of this semester (it could be slightly better or slightly worse).

AACOMAS GPA:
Science: 3.19
Non-science: 3.23
Cumulative: 3.21

AACOMAS GPA 2
Science: 3.05
Non-science: 2.72
Cumulative: 2.88

So the reason why I have these different GPAs is because when I first started college I failed precalculus and calculus I (twice). These courses were worth 4 credit hours and 5 credit hours, respectively. I also received a D in general chemistry 1 which had a combined lab + course grade worth 5 credit hours. When I retook these courses at another university, the credit hours were worth less. Precalculus was worth 3 hours, calculus 4 hours, and a separate general chemistry lecture worth 3 hours and a lab worth 1 hour for a combination of 4 hours. So, my 2nd set of GPA is NOT counting these courses as retakes.

As you all can see, I seriously need these retakes to count and I will list the classes as such in the app. It's not hard to prove the classes were nearly identical... they are generic courses with nearly identical curriculum across universities. I just hope somehow this works out.

There is also a strong upward trend. Last semester I took some upper level biochem classes (nucleic acids, clinical biochemistry, cell biology, and couple other nonscience courses) and had a 3.7 GPA. I also took Calculus II (received a B) and III (had to retake this... received a D the first time and a B+ the second... but this retake is eligible). Post diagnosis (just last semester) I've been able to do significantly better in courses involving math... I am taking biophysics now which is very calculus heavy and will likely receive an A in this class.

MCAT:
28O (10PS/10BS/8VR)
I took it last summer and want to take it again because I know I can do better. I didn't even get through all the practice material I had planned so I do think I stand a good chance at improvement on a retake especially after the upper level courses I've recently taken. I think I want to try and take it early June.

ECs/Letters:
Not much here it seems. I've volunteered a little at a hospital. I plan to shadow a doctor soon. I've taught reading courses for children over past summers and have also taught 11th/12th grade religion courses (on weekends) through 2 semesters. I've been getting involved in a bit of research with one of my professors this semester, but it's nothing extraordinary. I'm part of neuroscience society (just a member). I am passionate about many things and have a very strong desire to learn for the sake of learning. I honestly feel like my most innate trait is trying to help and improve the lives of others. I've been told countless times I belong in medicine by most who know me. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to illustrate these traits (personal statements come to mind but not sure how much weight they carry) because I am lacking 'official' experience that one can put on an application.

This is the first semester I seem to be getting along well with some of my professors and I think I'll be able to secure at least one good letter and at least one mediocre one.

Thanks for reading!

For schools, the numbers are really just there to show them you can make it through med school. They don't want to accept you if they don't think you can at least pass. As this applies to you, your MCAT is good... if you think you can do better, then great. Your GPA is a red flag, but given the recent success in the classroom, it's much less alarming. The AACOMAS will give you the higher GPAs, which is helpful too. You do need a letter from a professor, so make a friend.

Aside from the numbers, they also want to see that you have some medical experience... so you know what you're getting yourself into. This is where you need improvement. Don't slack in the shadowing department, start that soon. Ideally you'll be able to get a letter of rec from that doc also. If the doc is a DO, that will help too.

Your other volunteering and ECs are good too, to show that you can juggle multiple things. Did you work at all, they like to see some of that too.

Finally, you need to support your statement of "people say I belong in medicine." Why? You need to convey that clearly in either your personal statement or in your interviews. They'll also, of course, want to hear why YOU think you want to be a doctor. I'm sure the answers are clear in your mind, but you need to convince admissions too.

Good luck to ya-

 

[jpgoodie]

I'm applying to mostly DO schools this year and was wondering what my real chances are. Be brutally honest.
I have a 3.13 cumulative gpa. I'm still figuring out my science gpa, but it's slightly lower. I got a 29Q on the MCAT. 60+ hours of physician shadowing. 6 months of volunteering in hospital as OR (operating room) orderly assistant. 6 months of volunteer tutoring in algebra, biology and organic chemistry. 1 year of research in physiology lab. I have a few solid LoR's in the works, two of which are ready to be submitted.
Please help me out as far as knowing what I can do to improve, what my true chances are, where to apply, etc. I'm planning on applying to only DO schools since I figure my chances are a little better. I'm a resident of California.
Thanks so much!

 

[Mesican24]

I'm applying to mostly DO schools this year and was wondering what my real chances are. Be brutally honest.
I have a 3.13 cumulative gpa. I'm still figuring out my science gpa, but it's slightly lower. I got a 29Q on the MCAT. 60+ hours of physician shadowing. 6 months of volunteering in hospital as OR (operating room) orderly assistant. 6 months of volunteer tutoring in algebra, biology and organic chemistry. 1 year of research in physiology lab. I have a few solid LoR's in the works, two of which are ready to be submitted.
Please help me out as far as knowing what I can do to improve, what my true chances are, where to apply, etc. I'm planning on applying to only DO schools since I figure my chances are a little better. I'm a resident of California.
Thanks so much!

I think you have a pretty good shot. I got accepted with a 2.98 and a 2.7 sci. less on my MCAT. apply early.

 

[Everglide]

Your GPA is the problem.

1) Retake any class you got less than a C or 2.5 in. <- Bare minimum

2) Retake any pre-req you got less than a B in <- This would help a lot

3) Consider retaking other classes to improve your GPA further.

I realize this may not be possible if you're looking to apply next cycle but it's what needs to be done to improve your AACOMAS GPA. Granted your MCAT will help make up (not totally) for your GPA, you could still apply next cycle and get accepted. You never know but you obviously want to be as strong as possible.

Summary: Retake classes you did poorly in to improve your GPA. If you do this, you will be a solid candiate on paper. Also make sure you have a DO LOR.

 

[shepardsun]

I don't know very much about the average stats of DO schools but I would say that your GPA is probably the weakest part of your application. The 29Q is fine for DO schools, although if you felt confident that with a couple months of study you could boost that to the low 30s I think that would go a long way to rectify the GPA issue. It might help to know the trend of the GPA- are you a straight B student, did you have a problem in the beginning of college getting on your feet, or did you catch a case of senioritis and see grades slip towards the end? For DO schools I know that you can retake a class and they substitute the grade for the old one on the application when they calculate your GPA. So maybe if you don't have much success this cycle you could take a year, restudy for the MCAT while taking some of the courses you did poorly in (if it's a course like O-chem you can kill two birds with one stone by using it as the foundation for your MCAT studying) and buff up on the shadowing and volunteering as well. Average volunteering/shadowing numbers for matriculants seem to be about a year's worth or 150 hours.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Retake classes you did poorly in, attempt to raise sci gpa to 3.3~ and cum to 3.4~ then with your 29 on the mcat you'll be competitive.

~ = around

 

[Darkstar25]

JPGoodie, you're absolutely fine. Apply early and to the schools that interest you. Take the time to write a strong personal statement explaining why you want to pursue a career in medicine and give concrete examples of the important things you have done that led you to make that decision (research, volunteering, a particular course really got you thinking, etc). Have a pre-med advisor and others read this statement. I would also encourage anyone applying to med school to attend open house events or, even better, schedule times to visit with an admissions director at the schools you are interested in. This advice was given to me by my pre-med advisor and I believe it made a world of difference.

Don't re-take undergraduate courses. That's silly. If you really want to take some classes and show schools how great of a student you are, sign up for graduate level courses.

Good luck.

 

[exPCM]

Your stats are fine as is. Apply and you should get in somewhere without difficulty unless you come off as a complete jerk at your interviews.

These threads are filled with people advising students to retake MCATs and retake courses which can cost you lots of money and time.

Apply with what you have and you should be fine. Even a 23 MCAT is within one standard deviation of the mean for entering students and a science GPA of 2.95 is within one standard deviation of the mean for entering students. Basically I think it is not necessary to worry much about GPA unless your science GPA is under 2.9 or overall GPA is under 3.0 and to not worry about the MCAT unless it is under 23.
Look here at the 2009 data: http://www.aacom.org/about/fastfacts/Documents/Summaries/2009MatriculantSummary.pdf

 

[Everglide]

The mean was 3.49, SD of .26

Unless I'm reading that wrong, the OP is more than an SD away from the mean. Which is not exactly a comfortable position as an applicant.

 

[Emerald84]

I think the biggest concern is the science gpa, especially it is below a 3.0. Could use more volunteer hours. The overall MCAT is good for DO, but what was the breakdown?

 

[Emerald84]

Yes, BUT these threads are also full of individuals who have NOT been successful in gaining admission with a 23 and less than 3.0 science gpa. We are simply trying to be reasonable. I would not advise OP to retake the MCAT, which I agree would be costly. It would be more important to assess if the gpa was an upward trend and what the section scores were on the mcat before she retake any courses.

QUOTE=exPCM;9410124]Your stats are fine as is. Apply and you should get in somewhere without difficulty unless you come off as a complete jerk at your interviews.

These threads are filled with people advising students to retake MCATs and retake courses which can cost you lots of money and time.

Apply with what you have and you should be fine. Even a 23 MCAT is within one standard deviation of the mean for entering students and a science GPA of 2.95 is within one standard deviation of the mean for entering students. Basically I think it is not necessary to worry much about GPA unless your science GPA is under 2.9 or overall GPA is under 3.0 and to not worry about the MCAT unless it is under 23.
Look here at the 2009 data: http://www.aacom.org/about/fastfacts/Documents/Summaries/2009MatriculantSummary.pdf[/QUOTE]

 

[exPCM]

The mean was 3.49, SD of .26

Unless I'm reading that wrong, the OP is more than an SD away from the mean. Which is not exactly a comfortable position as an applicant.

I would bet that if you took 100 students like the OP with a 29 MCAT and 3.13 GPA and they applied broadly to DO schools more than 95 out of 100 would get at least one acceptance.

All this crying over a 23 MCAT is overblown. PCSOM and WVSOM had mean MCATs under 22 reportedly in 2006 and the overall mean osteopathic MCAT for accepted applicants has only gone up by just 1.2 points in 10 years (2000-2009) mean score 24.98 in 2000 versus 26.12 in 2009: http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/ranmcat.htm

I think too many people put too much stock in heresay rather than real data. Please refer to this thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=710696