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So what exactly are you pre-meds doing with a match list? You can't glean anything useful from it. You can only see what the relative distribution of specialties is, but even that isn't very helpful. You can't say that just because a school matches 50% of its class into IM or peds that it is biased towards primary care, because you don't know what the career plans are of the matchees, and if they have fellowship aspirations. Nor are you in a position to evaluate the caliber of programs that people match to. Yes, Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo and Stanford are great programs, but not for every discipline.

I always get a kick out of seeing these threads where those without direct experience in matching and ranking programs then extrapolate a rank list into a de facto evaluation of a given institution's educational caliber.
At least for me, it's a way to see what's out there in the future (as in what schools have residency programs in which specialties - obviously this can also be found via FREIDA) and maybe see what kind of specialties students at the school lean toward. I totally get that you can't tell from a match list if people are getting into the programs/specialties they want and that the distribution of matches is always class-dependent.

I can't speak for anyone else here of course, but those are just a couple reasons it's interesting to me. This isn't even including just general camaraderie and interest in the state of your chosen school.
 
So what exactly are you pre-meds doing with a match list? You can't glean anything useful from it. You can only see what the relative distribution of specialties is, but even that isn't very helpful. You can't say that just because a school matches 50% of its class into IM or peds that it is biased towards primary care, because you don't know what the career plans are of the matchees, and if they have fellowship aspirations. Nor are you in a position to evaluate the caliber of programs that people match to. Yes, Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo and Stanford are great programs, but not for every discipline.

I always get a kick out of seeing these threads where those without direct experience in matching and ranking programs then extrapolate a rank list into a de facto evaluation of a given institution's educational caliber.

Agree. Useless thread.
 
Someone please post UTSW and UTH

UTSW, knock yourself out.

.Anatomic Pathology Only Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Anesthesiology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Anesthesiology U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Anesthesiology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Anesthesiology U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Anesthesiology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Anesthesiology Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Anesthesiology LSU SOM-New Orleans-LA
Anesthesiology Loma Linda University-CA
Anesthesiology U Texas Med Branch-Galveston
Anesthesiology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Anesthesiology Stony Brook Teach Hosps-NY
Derm/Harvard Combined Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Dermatology Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Dermatology UC Davis Med Ctr-CA
Dermatology Henry Ford HSC-MI
Dermatology Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Dermatology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine John Peter Smith Hosp-TX
Emergency Medicine U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Emergency Medicine U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
Emergency Medicine U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine Univ of MO-KC Programs
Emergency Medicine U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine William Beaumont Hosp-MI
Emergency Medicine Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Emergency Medicine U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Emergency Medicine Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Emergency Medicine LSU SOM-New Orleans-LA
Emergency Medicine John Peter Smith Hosp-TX
Emergency Medicine U IL-St Francis Med Ctr
Family Med/Austin U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Family Medicine John Peter Smith Hosp-TX
Family Medicine U Texas HSC-San Antonio
Family Medicine Baylor Med Ctr-Garland-TX
Family Medicine Baylor Med Ctr-Garland-TX
Family Medicine John Peter Smith Hosp-TX
Family Medicine Methodist Hospital - Houston
Family Medicine Texas A&M - Bryan/College Station
Family Medicine U Texas HSC-San Antonio
Family Medicine NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Family Medicine McLennan County Fam Med-TX
General Surgery Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
General Surgery Methodist Hospital-Houston-TX
General Surgery Baystate Med Ctr-MA
General Surgery U Texas Med Sch-Houston
General Surgery Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
General Surgery Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
General Surgery Texas Tech U Affil-El Paso
General Surgery Mayo School of Grad Med Educ-MN
General Surgery Methodist Health System Dallas-TX
General Surgery UC Davis Med Ctr-CA
General Surgery/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
General Surgery/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine SAUSHEC- Brooke Army Medical Center
Internal Medicine Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Internal Medicine Emory Univ SOM-GA
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Internal Medicine Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Internal Medicine U Southern California
Internal Medicine NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Internal Medicine U Oklahoma COM-OK City
Internal Medicine Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Internal Medicine Scripps Clinic/Green Hospital-CA
Internal Medicine Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Internal Medicine Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Internal Medicine Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Internal Medicine VA Medical Center - Boise ID
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Internal Medicine UT Med School - Houston
Internal Medicine Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Internal Medicine Case Western/MetroHealth Med Ctr-OH
Internal Medicine Univ Tenn Grad SOM - Knoxville
Internal Medicine Tulane Univ SOM-LA
Internal Medicine Tulane Univ SOM-LA
Internal Medicine U Arkansas-Little Rock
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Internal Medicine LSUHSC - Shreveport LA
Internal Medicine Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Internal Medicine Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Internal Medicine Banner Good Samaritan Med Ctr-AZ
Internal Medicine Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Internal Medicine/Austin U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Internal Medicine/UIH U Illinois COM-Chicago
Medicine-Pediatrics Case Western/MetroHealth Med Ctr-OH
Medicine-Pediatrics Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Medicine-Preliminary UT Southwestern - Austin
Medicine-Primary U Connecticut Health Ctr
Neurological Surgery Tulane Univ SOM-LA
Neurological Surgery University Hosps-Jackson-MS
Neurology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Neurology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics and Gynecology NYMC-Westchester/Metropolitan-NY
Obstetrics-Gynecology Exempla St Joseph Hosp-CO
Obstetrics-Gynecology Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Obstetrics-Gynecology St Johns Mercy Med Ctr-MO
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Obstetrics-Gynecology/LBJ U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Obstetrics-Gynecology/MHH U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Ophthalmology SUNY- Downstate
Ophthalmology U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Ophthalmology U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Orthopaedic Surgery U Tennessee COM-Memphis
Orthopaedic Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Orthopaedic Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Orthopaedic Surgery Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Orthopaedic Surgery John Peter Smith Hosp-TX
Orthopaedic Surgery U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Orthopaedic Surgery Tripler Army Medical Center
Orthopaedic Surgery Texas A&M-Scott & White
Orthopaedic Surgery U Texas HSC-San Antonio
Oto + 2 yrs research U Washington Affil Hosps
Otolaryngology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Otolaryngology Naval Medical Center (San Diego)
Pathology U New Mexico SOM
Pathology Cleveland Clinic Fdn-OH
Pathology U Texas Med Branch-Galveston
Pediatrics Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Pediatrics Texas Tech University Affiliated Hospitals - Lubbock
Pediatrics U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Pediatrics Cincinnati Childrens Hosp MC-OH
Pediatrics U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Pediatrics Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Pediatrics U North Carolina Hospitals
Pediatrics U New Mexico SOM
Pediatrics NYU School Of Medicine
Pediatrics Childrens Hospital-Oakland-CA
Pediatrics Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Pediatrics Texas Tech University Affiliated Hospitals - Lubbock
Pediatrics Med Coll Georgia-Augusta
Pediatrics U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Pediatrics U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Pediatrics Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Pediatrics/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Peds-Prelim/Child Neurology U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
Phys Medicine & Rehab U Kentucky Med Ctr
Phys Medicine & Rehab U Alabama Med Ctr-Birmingham
Psychiatry Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Psychiatry Emory Univ SOM-GA
Psychiatry U Arizona Affil Hospitals
Psychiatry/Dallas U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiation Oncology U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiology-Diagnostic Medical University of SC
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas HSC-San Antonio
Radiology-Diagnostic Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Med Sch-Houston
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiology-Diagnostic U Arizona Affil Hospitals
Radiology-Diagnostic Baylor U Med Ctr-Dallas-TX
Radiology-Diagnostic Emory Univ SOM-GA
Radiology-Diagnostic Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Med Branch-Galveston
Radiology-Diagnostic U Utah Affil Hospitals
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiology-Diagnostic Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Radiology-Diagnostic U Minnesota Med School
Radiology-Diagnostic U Texas Med Branch-Galveston
Surgery-Preliminary U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Surgery-Preliminary Rush University Medical Center
Surgery-Preliminary U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas
Surgery-Preliminary Univ New Mexico SOM/Health Sciences Center
Surgery-Preliminary Orlando Health-FL
Surgery-Preliminary Virginia Mason Medical Ctr - Seattle
Surgery-Preliminary Charleston Area Med Ctr/WV Univ
Urology Baylor Coll Med-Houston-TX .
 
So what exactly are you pre-meds doing with a match list? You can't glean anything useful from it. You can only see what the relative distribution of specialties is, but even that isn't very helpful. You can't say that just because a school matches 50% of its class into IM or peds that it is biased towards primary care, because you don't know what the career plans are of the matchees, and if they have fellowship aspirations. Nor are you in a position to evaluate the caliber of programs that people match to. Yes, Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo and Stanford are great programs, but not for every discipline.

I always get a kick out of seeing these threads where those without direct experience in matching and ranking programs then extrapolate a rank list into a de facto evaluation of a given institution's educational caliber.

Mostly true.

But at the same time, we can see if a school has matched 3% of it's class to primary care the last 5 years, they may not encourage people to do primary care...

The match lists are of less value without knowing the goals of the individual, agreed. But to somehow say that nothing useful can be garnered from these would be wrong.

There is some objective data on which hospitals have excellent training in each specialty. Also, just as any other medical student has an opportunity to ask other people in the profession or read specialty journals/research, so do we.

Somehow there is this idea perpetuated that if you aren't a medical student yet, you are totally oblivious to any knowledge about the field, but the second you arrive you can begin to say, "Oh yeah, _____ university has excellent training in cards." Somehow giving credence to your new opinion just by the fact that you've memorized some anatomical trivia.
 
2 "Medical Students" have agreed.

This thread is useless. It is law.

we are definitely going to see you in the "2014 Match Lists!!!" thread, squalling at accepted '18ers about how useless their thread is. amirite? 😀
 
Well, I agree that there's little difference between a m1/2 and premed in evaluating the quality of residencies. That said, you do gain knowledge about specialties as you go through the process, especially from a research/academic perspective. I've presented research at RSNA for the past 3 years and met lots of faculty from various programs, I doubt any premeds could say the same...

As far as match lists being useful, I think there's value in knowing what programs are familiar with students from your institution, there are definitely pipelines to various programs (ie columbia to barrow in neurosurg) it is pretty individual, though, in the end.

Mostly true.

But at the same time, we can see if a school has matched 3% of it's class to primary care the last 5 years, they may not encourage people to do primary care...

The match lists are of less value without knowing the goals of the individual, agreed. But to somehow say that nothing useful can be garnered from these would be wrong.

There is some objective data on which hospitals have excellent training in each specialty. Also, just as any other medical student has an opportunity to ask other people in the profession or read specialty journals/research, so do we.

Somehow there is this idea perpetuated that if you aren't a medical student yet, you are totally oblivious to any knowledge about the field, but the second you arrive you can begin to say, "Oh yeah, _____ university has excellent training in cards." Somehow giving credence to your new opinion just by the fact that you've memorized some anatomical trivia.
 
Well, I agree that there's little difference between a m1/2 and premed in evaluating the quality of residencies. That said, you do gain knowledge about specialties as you go through the process, especially from a research/academic perspective. I've presented research at RSNA for the past 3 years and met lots of faculty from various programs, I doubt any premeds could say the same...

As far as match lists being useful, I think there's value in knowing what programs are familiar with students from your institution, there are definitely pipelines to various programs (ie columbia to barrow in neurosurg) it is pretty individual, though, in the end.

I agree and humbly bow out of having any opinion on any matters until I become an attending physician.
 
I think to a certain extent its useful to look at match lists of prospective schools even though I didn't do it as a pre-med personally. Even though I'm guessing a relatively small number of people who have a specific specialty in mind as a premed end up getting into med school and never change their mind and eventually match in that specialty.... If however you're one of those people that knew you wanted to be a neurosurgeon since you were 3 years old and as a pre-med you can see on an annual list that such-and-such med school has a track record for placing many graduates in neurosurgery residencies, and possibly at a specific program or geographic area of your interest I can see how that information may be useful to you.
 
I think it's hard to evaluate what you like until you actually do it. I've known what I wanted to do since before med school (rads) and even so, I've seriously questioned my decision at numerous times during 3rd year. It's just hard to give up certain fields. That being the case, I just think the info is only of questioanble utility for premeds/M1s.

I think to a certain extent its useful to look at match lists of prospective schools even though I didn't do it as a pre-med personally. Even though I'm guessing a relatively small number of people who have a specific specialty in mind as a premed end up getting into med school and never change their mind and eventually match in that specialty.... If however you're one of those people that knew you wanted to be a neurosurgeon since you were 3 years old and as a pre-med you can see on an annual list that such-and-such med school has a track record for placing many graduates in neurosurgery residencies, and possibly at a specific program or geographic area of your interest I can see how that information may be useful to you.
 
I think it's hard to evaluate what you like until you actually do it. I've known what I wanted to do since before med school (rads) and even so, I've seriously questioned my decision at numerous times during 3rd year. It's just hard to give up certain fields. That being the case, I just think the info is only of questioanble utility for premeds/M1s.

I was convinced I wanted to do infectious disease as a pre-med. Now, I would rather die than complete a career in that specialty.

Some people stay true to what they originally thought they'd do, but a lot don't. I'm going into a highly competitive surgical subspecialty, which I thought I would hate as a pre-med. Really, there's no way of knowing until you've completed your 3rd year rotations.
 
I was convinced I wanted to do infectious disease as a pre-med. Now, I would rather die than complete a career in that specialty.

Some people stay true to what they originally thought they'd do, but a lot don't. I'm going into a highly competitive surgical subspecialty, which I thought I would hate as a pre-med. Really, there's no way of knowing until you've completed your 3rd year rotations.

I think a lot of it is sort of epiphany vs practicality. It's interesting how people decide what they want to do. Some people just arrive at the conclusion through the process of elimination. This sort of makes sense as it's much easier to determine what you completely hate vs what you like. Some people try to make lists of pros/cons and go from there, others just do things because they feel like certain things they see are the coolest thing they've ever experienced. I guess I'm sort of taking a more practical approach. Once you've sort of arrived at an intellectual decision it's sort of hard to change your mind. I love surgery, specifically orthopedics, I find the idea of working with primarily young healthy patients (I would do sports medicine) and lack of medical management very appealing and I have personal reasons to do it, but I also find the lack of medical management a downside as well in certain ways. I also thought ACL reconstruction was one of the coolest things i've ever seen (specifically using multiple hamstring tendons to make an ACL, I guess i'm a sucker for procedures where things are reconstructed using other tissues/created.) In the end, interventional radiology seems like the best fit in many ways, but I also at this point find myself significantly less excited about it compared to ortho. Finalizing this stuff sort of sucks.
 
So what exactly are you pre-meds doing with a match list? You can't glean anything useful from it. You can only see what the relative distribution of specialties is, but even that isn't very helpful. You can't say that just because a school matches 50% of its class into IM or peds that it is biased towards primary care, because you don't know what the career plans are of the matchees, and if they have fellowship aspirations. Nor are you in a position to evaluate the caliber of programs that people match to. Yes, Harvard, Hopkins, Mayo and Stanford are great programs, but not for every discipline.

I always get a kick out of seeing these threads where those without direct experience in matching and ranking programs then extrapolate a rank list into a de facto evaluation of a given institution's educational caliber.

I would guess that a decent-sized fraction of the people reading this thread are med students and residents like us, and we are only reading the parts that have to do with our specialty 😀
 
Just to remind everyone of post 1, so we don't totally change the course of this thread.

2011 Match results HAVE BEEN released. I am posting here in anticipation to help have a clearinghouse of orderly information for schools and programs.

1) I do not want to debate the merits of this information. That is not the purpose of this thread.

2) This information will be released regardless of what people think about it. Let's keep it orderly and controlled.

3) Please, do not post identifiable information in this thread. No names, or other information that can identify the soon-to-be-residents. Respect their privacy as much as possible.

4) Keep chatter down to a minimum too.

Best of luck senior med students!
 
I'll offer the other side of the argument. What I'm applying for in a few months is what I wanted to do since high school.

You don't have to listen to everyone who tells you that you'll change your mind. It's completely up to you.
 
Here's Dartmouth c/o 2011.

Transitional:
Lemuel Shattuck Hospital – Jamaica Plain, MA (Tufts) Transitional

Anesthesiology:
Brigham & Women’s Hospital – Boston, MA (Harvard) Anesthesiology
Dartmouth­Hitchcock Medical Center – Lebanon, NH Anesthesiology
University of Washington – Seattle, WA Anesthesiology
Vanderbilt University Medical Center – Nashville, TN Anesthesiology
Johns Hopkins Hospital – Baltimore, MD Anesthesiology

Pediatrics:
2 x Children’s Hospital – Boston, MA (Harvard) Pediatrics
2 x University of Washington – Seattle, WA Pediatrics
North Shore­LIJ Health System – New Hyde Park, NY (Hofstra) Pediatrics
Baylor College of Medicine – Houston, TX Pediatrics
University of Rochester/Strong Memorial – Rochester, NY Pediatrics

Medicine-Primary:
UCLA Medical Center – Los Angeles, CA Medicine­Primary
NYU School of Medicine – New York, NY Medicine­Primary

Internal Medicine:
Massachusetts General Hospital – Boston, MA (Harvard) Internal Medicine
Johns Hopkins Hospital – Baltimore, MD Internal Medicine
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education – Rochester, MN Internal Medicine
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education – Phoenix/Scottsdale, AZ Internal Medicine
4 x Cedars­Sinai Medical Center – Los Angeles, CA (UCLA) Internal Medicine
University of Washington – Seattle, WA Internal Medicine
Yale­New Haven Hospital – New Haven, CT Internal Medicine
CA Pacific Medical Center – San Francisco, CA (UCSF & DMS) Internal Medicine
2 x Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA –Chicago, IL Internal Medicine
UC San Francisco – San Francisco, CA Internal Medicine
Dartmouth­Hitchcock Medical Center – Lebanon, NH Internal Medicine
University of Michigan – Ann Arbor, MI Internal Medicine
Emory University School of Medicine – Atlanta, GA Internal Medicine
University of Virginia – Charlottesville, VA Internal Medicine
Boston University Medical Center – Boston, MA Internal Medicine
George Washington University – Washington, DC Internal Medicine
Queen’s University – Kingston, Ontario Internal Medicine
Maine Medical Center – Portland, ME (Tufts) Internal Medicine
Rhode Island Hospital – Providence, RI (Brown) Internal Medicine

OB/GYN:
Dartmouth­Hitchcock Medical Center – Lebanon, NH Obstetrics­Gynecology
NYP Hospital­Columbia University Med Center – New York, NY Obstetrics­Gynecology
Brigham & Women’s Hospital/MGH – Boston, MA (Harvard) Obstetrics­Gynecology
Oregon Health & Science University – Portland, OR Obstetrics­Gynecology

Urology:
Maine Medical Center – Portland, ME (Tufts) Urology
University of Rochester/Strong Memorial – Rochester, NY Urology

Family Medicine:
Alaska Family Medicine Residency – Anchorage, AK (Univ. of WA ) Family Medicine
Family Medicine Residency of Idaho – Boise, ID (Univ. of WA) Family Medicine
Family Medicine Residency of Idaho – Boise, ID (Univ. of WA) Family Medicine
Family Medicine Residency of Idaho – Boise, ID (Univ. of WA) Family Medicine

Neurology:
Yale­New Haven Hospital – New Haven, CT Neurology
University of Michigan – Ann Arbor, MI Neurology

Radiology-Diagnostic:
Tufts Medical Center – Boston, MA Radiology­Diagnostic

General Surgery:
Dartmouth­Hitchcock Medical Center – Lebanon, NH General Surgery
Duke University Medical Center – Durham, NC General Surgery

Plastic Surgery:
University of Kansas School of Medicine – Kansas City, KS Plastic Surgery (integrated)

Orthopaedic Surgery:
McGill University – Montreal, Quebec Orthopaedic Surgery
Oregon Health & Science University – Portland, OR Orthopaedic Surgery

Ophthalmology:
Wills Eye Hospital– Philadelphia, PA (Jefferson) Ophthalmology
University of Chicago – Chicago, IL Ophthalmology

Emergency Medicine:
Boston University Medical Center – Boston, MA Emergency Medicine
NYP Hospitals­Columbia & Cornell – New York, NY Emergency Medicine

Dermatology:
University of Rochester/Strong Memorial – Rochester, NY Dermatology

Deferred Residency:
2 x Research

Since Dartmouth has such tiny classes, here's the c/o 2010 match list as n=2 for those interested.
 
It's more complicated than simply reimbursement. Medical students (the ones with options) are not stupid, and they realize that they have options that exist past the fields of primary care. In 20 years, will NP's and PA's be the backbone of family medicine? Will MD's, in that field, become even more like managers and less like practitioners, than they already have to do?

The landscape is changing, and MD's are becoming the specialists while NP's are going to become the face of primary care.

Just my feeling on the matter.

Good news though... Morehouse medical school puts 70% into "primary care fields". I bet this is a direct reflection of step one scores, and not their desire to occupy all of the family medicine clinics in Georgia.

It's not a direct reflection of Step scores because there were people with 240+ going into IM and people with average or below avg scores going into EM, Anes, and Ortho. Of course some of these people had backup plans but they were able to get the specialty they wanted. I think it's foolish to let Step 1 determine or limit your specialty choice - do better on Step 2, apply broadly, and have a backup plan.
 
Can someone tell me what match lists mean to the average med student other than MS4s? I ask because I see some people post "wow Penn really rocked this year" like what does that even mean...
 
Can someone tell me what match lists mean to the average med student other than MS4s? I ask because I see some people post "wow Penn really rocked this year" like what does that even mean...

you're only assuming the people saying that are m4s... haha
 
I would guess that a decent-sized fraction of the people reading this thread are med students and residents like us, and we are only reading the parts that have to do with our specialty 😀

👍
 
Can someone tell me what match lists mean to the average med student other than MS4s? I ask because I see some people post "wow Penn really rocked this year" like what does that even mean...

I think when people say "Penn rocked" they mean they matched into some top hospitals (one example, only one, is US News has a hospital honor roll), which are excellent hospitals overall no matter how many times people say, "Yeah but Mayo isn't excellent at _____" or "Hopkins ____ program is average." Overall, these are some of the best hospitals around.

Secondly, I believe they are referring to matching into the most competitive specialties in high #'s. It's really not that complex.

Honor roll listed below...
 
I think when people say "Penn rocked" they mean they matched into some top hospitals (one example, only one, is US News has a hospital honor roll), which are excellent hospitals overall no matter how many times people say, "Yeah but Mayo isn't excellent at _____" or "Hopkins ____ program is average." Overall, these are some of the best hospitals around.

Secondly, I believe they are referring to matching into the most competitive specialties in high #'s. It's really not that complex.

Honor roll listed below...

I get what you're saying, but to be fair, the honor roll is not the best place to see what the best programs are. They may be great hospitals, but great hospitals =/= great programs. For example, Mayo and Cleveland Clinic are high on the honor roll but they actually don't have a lot of very strong residency programs. I'm not even getting into the whole argument about how Hopkins and MGH aren't as impressive in all fields, that some programs are malignant while others aren't, etc. It's just that seeing what hospitals are great doesn't tell you much about the quality of the education. For some of these, the education of residents just isn't a super high priority, and that's fine. Maybe the fellowships are great. Maybe the patient care is really top notch. I'm not sure how USNews decides which hospital is good at what, but I don't think education is taken into account at all.

In other news, another thing I hadn't known before starting med school (heck I probably didn't even know it until recently) is that residencies are really variable in ways besides location and "quality". Some residencies are very, very research heavy and require a ton of research time. Some are quite a bit longer than the expected number of years. For EM, for example, some residencies are 3 years long and some are 4. Many surgery residencies expect you to spend at least a year doing research. Point is, if you're not planning on being an academic or you just don't like research, you might not choose the longer residency even though it's "the best". It's just not the best for you. Anyway, yet another variable to keep in mind.
 
I think when people say "Penn rocked" ...

Knowing good friends going into IM, peds, gen surg, ophthal, and radiology, I feel like I know what most people consider the top-5 programs in those popular specialties. And that being said, Penn DESTROYED the match this year. 👍 to graduating classmates.
 
Knowing good friends going into IM, peds, gen surg, ophthal, and radiology, I feel like I know what most people consider the top-5 programs in those popular specialties. And that being said, Penn DESTROYED the match this year. 👍 to graduating classmates.

Yes Penn destroyed the match this year. When I was interviewing there one of the students commented to me that there were an unusually high number of people in his class applying to competitive specialties this year. Their match results tell you that Penn has the potential to put that many people into competitive residencies if they want them, but it's as much an indication of student interest as anything.

That said, I think match lists are somewhat useful as far as broad trends, although if you knew the reputation of the schools, you probably didn't learn anything new by reading the match list. i.e. if you already knew that Columbia is known for turning out a lot of neurosurg., or that Penn is a top research school, or that UW is known for excellent primary care (among other things), then you probably aren't surprised when you see their match lists.
 
I think a better statement would be that they aren't strong in all programs, but Mayo is among the top in several very competitive fields and the top program in several other fields. CCF is also among the best in certain fields if a bit malignant. If you think about the caseload these huge referral centers have and their research funding, as well as the faculty available, it goes without saying that residents will get good training. Certainly some programs are going to be fellowship-driven, but I don't think saying they don't have a lot of strong residency programs is a true statement by any means. I do think hospital rankings aren't indicative of how good programs are.

I get what you're saying, but to be fair, the honor roll is not the best place to see what the best programs are. They may be great hospitals, but great hospitals =/= great programs. For example, Mayo and Cleveland Clinic are high on the honor roll but they actually don't have a lot of very strong residency programs. I'm not even getting into the whole argument about how Hopkins and MGH aren't as impressive in all fields, that some programs are malignant while others aren't, etc. It's just that seeing what hospitals are great doesn't tell you much about the quality of the education. For some of these, the education of residents just isn't a super high priority, and that's fine. Maybe the fellowships are great. Maybe the patient care is really top notch. I'm not sure how USNews decides which hospital is good at what, but I don't think education is taken into account at all.

In other news, another thing I hadn't known before starting med school (heck I probably didn't even know it until recently) is that residencies are really variable in ways besides location and "quality". Some residencies are very, very research heavy and require a ton of research time. Some are quite a bit longer than the expected number of years. For EM, for example, some residencies are 3 years long and some are 4. Many surgery residencies expect you to spend at least a year doing research. Point is, if you're not planning on being an academic or you just don't like research, you might not choose the longer residency even though it's "the best". It's just not the best for you. Anyway, yet another variable to keep in mind.
 
Posted UCSD's match list on the first page; however, I do want to repeat what has been posted often on this board.

This thread is really not that useful to ANY premed. Thus, I caution you in using it as even a MINOR factor in your decision making process.

On the first page you will see that most of our 4th years decided to stay in California...and that's no surprise at all. And if you would like to assign a descriptor to how they did I would say "well."

Hopefully the match list shows that despite being from the BEST coast, if you want to head back east, south, midwest, etc...for residency then you can CERTAINLY DO THAT!

best of luck to all the M3's (soon to be M4's) perusing this board (I see you Drizz and JolieSouth...:laugh:...we go back...wayyyyyy back)...and premeds who are in the beginning phases of realizing their dream.

Cya!...annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd back to Step 1/School studying I go!
 
Does anyone have Wake Forest? I basically would like to see if anyone matched at a particular school.
 
Anyone have this year's list for Loyola Chicago?
 
Totally being hypocritical about not taking match results into account, but I'm curious about Tufts.

Anyone?
 
Thanks for posting the new Drexel list, looks like a good year!

I think these lists are interesting to see, but I just want to point something out. I was on the Ortho interview trail this year and was told by multiple Drexel students that there were 30 Drexel students that wanted to do/were applying to Ortho.

So, from an uninformed viewpoint looking at the list and seeing 15 match in ortho I would think that is pretty impressive. But when you take into account that 30 people wanted to do ortho a 50% match rate is not very encouraging.
 
just to play devil's advocate, i heard from a Drex student that it was closer to 20, and most of these people realistically did not have a shot at matching to Ortho with their scores. so, perhaps this reflects the individual student part of the process rather than the institution (as mentioned many times on this thread). just my two cents.
 
just to play devil's advocate, i heard from a Drex student that it was closer to 20, and most of these people realistically did not have a shot at matching to Ortho with their scores. so, perhaps this reflects the individual student part of the process rather than the institution (as mentioned many times on this thread). just my two cents.

Not sure what the exact number is (I heard 30 from at least 2 people). I totally agree, I'm not meaning to dis Drexel or anything, but it's just a point how trying to evaluate a match list can be very misleading.
 
anyone here got rosalind franklin's 2011 match list? thanks.
 
I think these lists are interesting to see, but I just want to point something out. I was on the Ortho interview trail this year and was told by multiple Drexel students that there were 30 Drexel students that wanted to do/were applying to Ortho.

So, from an uninformed viewpoint looking at the list and seeing 15 match in ortho I would think that is pretty impressive. But when you take into account that 30 people wanted to do ortho a 50% match rate is not very encouraging.
Thanks for that comment, JDW. I agree, it's easy to be misled by the matchlists and I wasn't actually reading that much into it despite my comment. To me, it was reassuring to see that that many students from Drexel, a massive mid-tier school, can match into competitive specialties and hospital systems (which again, I understand is also very subjective.) I know that the match process pans out differently for many different reasons, and that we have far from all the information.

Regardless, 15 is a relatively high number for any school to match into ortho, I haven't seen any other schools with that many matched applicants in it.
 
This thread is really not that useful to ANY premed. Thus, I caution you in using it as even a MINOR factor in your decision making process.

As someone who just went through the match I definitely agree...I think the main match list factor that could be at all helpful to premeds is not the list itself, but rather the percent of the class who matched at their first choice and in their specialty of choice. That's what premeds are really asking when they look at match lists, right? You're really asking whether a school can help you reach your career goals. The problem is, that number isn't traditionally reported...even when it's quite good (e.g my class matched over 90% at their first choice, but that wasn't published with our list).

Yes, with match lists you can get a vague idea of what sorts of programs people can match into, but you really can't interpret anything from the results. As others have pointed out, prestige (or having an association with a big-name university) doesn't necessarily correlate to having a good program...and it really varies widely by specialty within each school/hospital. It gets even more complicated in specialties like internal medicine...one residency program might be fantastic if your goal is subspecialization, but not a good choice if your plan is in general medicine or primary care, just because that's not the focus of the training program.

Match lists are also a combination of multiple factors...strength of the program, particular faculty members/projects/opportunities within each program, geography, career goals and program "culture". It's such an amazingly personalized process that you can't predict what each person's ranklist might look like. For instance, a friend and I interviewed at the same big name NY program on the same day....she loved it and ranked it in her top 2, I hated it and ranked it in my bottom 2. The reality is, you're going to get great training at a lot of places...and so it's all those "other" factors which help you prioritize your program preference.

You also don't see where else they could have matched and don't know where they interviewed...did that person get to one top program because 1. they really focused on trying to match there (e.g. aways and other connections) and had otherwise average options, 2. could they have gone to any number of great places and this was their top pick or even 3. was this their top choice because of an X factor, and have places a premed might think of as more "prestigious" ranked lower on their list? For instance, you see someone matched in IM at <insert "top" East Coast program here>. On the surface, that seems fantastic...but what if that person had wanted Rad Onc and needed to be in California because that's where their significant other is? That's the sort of thing you can't tell from just reading a rank list.

So sure, look at the match lists to get a general flavor of what sorts of places people are going....but focus more on the question of whether people are matching at their top choice(s), rather than the actual details of what that choice might be.
 
As someone who just went through the match I definitely agree...I think the main match list factor that could be at all helpful to premeds is not the list itself, but rather the percent of the class who matched at their first choice and in their specialty of choice. That's what premeds are really asking when they look at match lists, right? You're really asking whether a school can help you reach your career goals. The problem is, that number isn't traditionally reported...even when it's quite good (e.g my class matched over 90% at their first choice, but that wasn't published with our list).

Yes, with match lists you can get a vague idea of what sorts of programs people can match into, but you really can't interpret anything from the results. As others have pointed out, prestige (or having an association with a big-name university) doesn't necessarily correlate to having a good program...and it really varies widely by specialty within each school/hospital. It gets even more complicated in specialties like internal medicine...one residency program might be fantastic if your goal is subspecialization, but not a good choice if your plan is in general medicine or primary care, just because that's not the focus of the training program.

Match lists are also a combination of multiple factors...strength of the program, particular faculty members/projects/opportunities within each program, geography, career goals and program "culture". It's such an amazingly personalized process that you can't predict what each person's ranklist might look like. For instance, a friend and I interviewed at the same big name NY program on the same day....she loved it and ranked it in her top 2, I hated it and ranked it in my bottom 2. The reality is, you're going to get great training at a lot of places...and so it's all those "other" factors which help you prioritize your program preference.

You also don't see where else they could have matched and don't know where they interviewed...did that person get to one top program because 1. they really focused on trying to match there (e.g. aways and other connections) and had otherwise average options, 2. could they have gone to any number of great places and this was their top pick or even 3. was this their top choice because of an X factor, and have places a premed might think of as more "prestigious" ranked lower on their list? For instance, you see someone matched in IM at <insert "top" East Coast program here>. On the surface, that seems fantastic...but what if that person had wanted Rad Onc and needed to be in California because that's where their significant other is? That's the sort of thing you can't tell from just reading a rank list.

So sure, look at the match lists to get a general flavor of what sorts of places people are going....but focus more on the question of whether people are matching at their top choice(s), rather than the actual details of what that choice might be.

Agreed.
The real problem with pre-med interpretation of rank lists is that the underlyin assumption is that everyone ranks the "biggest name" programs highest, and that every MS4's goal is to go to the biggest name possible. However, this is obviously not the case. I turned down interviews at major ivy league hospitals because after some reflection realized that I didn't really want to live in Boston or New York. You wouldn't know that from my rank list, in fact, if you looked at it you would see that some smaller midwest programs trumped the Big Name programs in some cases.

Even analyzing how many students matched into a given specialty is pretty
worthless. Just because only 1 student matched into Neurosurg from Prestigious Medical School, doesn't mean that you can't, or htat in your year 4 students won't do it.

Bottom line:
Write your own ticket. Don't worry about what students at Prestigious School typically do or don't do.
 
Match lists are of some use to students!


For example, to my knowledge no one from my school has matched into a neurosurgery program for the last 5-10 years.

If a pre-med was seriously thinking about NeuroSx then maybe they should go elsewhere.

Also seeing numerous matches at a program in the students home town, or potential top choice location is also a good sign.
 
Match lists are of some use to students!


For example, to my knowledge no one from my school has matched into a neurosurgery program for the last 5-10 years.

If a pre-med was seriously thinking about NeuroSx then maybe they should go elsewhere.

Also seeing numerous matches at a program in the students home town, or potential top choice location is also a good sign.

Again, these are inferences based on the tenuous assumption that the most important variable in the equation is the medical school of origin, not the relative merits of the applicant themselves.

I know I'm arguing an unpopular point, my point is that match lists are of minimal use to pre-meds or even pre-clinical students. Until a student is actually involved in the application process, they won't really know the relative strengths of programs. I've said it before, not every brand name is great at everything.
 
Again, these are inferences based on the tenuous assumption that the most important variable in the equation is the medical school of origin, not the relative merits of the applicant themselves.

I know I'm arguing an unpopular point, my point is that match lists are of minimal use to pre-meds or even pre-clinical students. Until a student is actually involved in the application process, they won't really know the relative strengths of programs. I've said it before, not every brand name is great at everything.

not unpopular at all, just amongst overeager pre-meds. the fact that a med student started this thread in Pre-Allo is a disgrace and I'm not entirely convinced that it wasn't just a "lookatmeandmyawesomeschoolsawesomematchlistKthxbai" on her/his part.
 
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