2012 APPIC Internship Application Thread

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JBSpsyd said:
Sounds like Albany started sending offers before or immediately after the deadline?
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It seems that way. I believe Albany is a site that reviews applications as they come in and sends out rolling invites (2 students from my program have matched at Albany in recent years, and this is information that has been passed down from them). I saw that someone posted they had gotten an interview offer from them BEFORE the application deadline had even passed. My application may have been reviewed quickly because of the historical connection to my program, I don't know. I do know that when I spoke to them on the phone they said that they were only planning to do December interviews and offered me a choice of dates between Dec 19-22. At any rate, I hope you find this information helpful. Best of luck to you and I hope you hear something soon!
 
decar1 said:
St. Joe's said they have AM and PM timeslots on 1/11, 1/13, 1/16, 1/17, and 1/20 and interview 40 people, so four people for each time/date. Also, email seemed personalized (had my name and email address rather than BCCing me).
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Thank you very much for your response. 😉Good luck with your interview, hopefully I will see you there :xf:
 
St Lukes Child- interview dates were offered on Dec 16th, Jan 6, Jan 13...maybe a few more I can't remember now. But at least those 3 were offered.
 
marmot19 said:
It seems that way. I believe Albany is a site that reviews applications as they come in and sends out rolling invites (2 students from my program have matched at Albany in recent years, and this is information that has been passed down from them). I saw that someone posted they had gotten an interview offer from them BEFORE the application deadline had even passed. My application may have been reviewed quickly because of the historical connection to my program, I don't know. I do know that when I spoke to them on the phone they said that they were only planning to do December interviews and offered me a choice of dates between Dec 19-22. At any rate, I hope you find this information helpful. Best of luck to you and I hope you hear something soon!
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Thanks for the info, congrats on the interview!!
 
Received a phone call [blocked number] from University of Michigan to setup a 45 minute phone interview in January. Call backs on a Saturday... at least I'm not the only one working.
 
dsongco said:
Received a phone call [blocked number] from University of Michigan to setup a 45 minute phone interview in January. Call backs on a Saturday... at least I'm not the only one working.
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If while on your phone interview the interviewer says/yells, "GO!"...you must respond "BLUE!" Trust me. :laugh:

(It's a football thing)
 
terrybug said:
Just curious about people's experiences. Nothing implied, just wondering if people apply to a range of places that they feel would be a perfect match, and if so, how do they feel like different types of sites could all be perfect? I guess I'm just trying to make sense of a process that seems pretty random to me.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you're more interested in the pediatric side but based on your experience last year, you decided to get some adult experience mainly for the sake of matching this year.
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I thought I was more interested in kids but now that I have forced myself to work with adults (which yes, I only initiated to hopefully make myself a better candidate for more sites in the match), I actually found that I like both adults and children the same! As far as feeling like a "perfect" match at different types of sites, I definitely feel like only pediatric assessment types of sites would be my "perfect" match but I still feel like a good fit for almost all sites that emphasize testing, because I have done so in multiple settings, and now I feel like a good fit for VAs because I have done a very intensive practicum in a military setting. I have been trying to make sense of the process for so long... and the only way seems to be to have doubts about my application materials, and I really don't think that is the problem since I have always been complimented on my writing skills, haven't had a single bad grade in my program, and have at least one very widely known supervisor. Not to mention the letters of recommendation that I got that sincerely made me want to cry because of how amazing my supervisors must think of me to write such things.

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In my experience it seems like it is important to pick a type of site/population that best fits/matches with your experience. At least that is what I did and then I positioned my application around that. I only applied to one type of site with one type of population. Even though I might have had some experience in another area I did not apply to sites that would have emphasized that experience (i.e. neuropsych). So far I have done pretty well with that, I have a lot of interviews, not many rejections and a couple left to hear from. The rejections I have had were from sites that were not an exact fit...like maybe the site was very similar to the others but more faculty were dynamic rather than CBT.

Hope that helps some, but also probably a lot of stuff is random and there probably is not really a rhyme/reason as to why this all works out the way it does. And also don't worry because there is still a week to go, so I am sure there are lots of interviews just waiting for you around the corner 🙂
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I was in your boat last year but even with all my testing focused practica, I only got 2 interviews at testing based internships (out of 18 applications). Last year I only applied to sites where I felt like a perfect fit and obviously the sites did not feel the same way about my fit to them.

arl468 said:
I got rejected from the Battle Creek VA too. 🙁 I have 5 interviews at VAs so I thought I had a good chance at this one . . . Could be that this one seems to do more formalized testing then a lot of other places. (I, of course, have some testing experience, but it is minimal.)

As for why others haven't gotten interviews at VAs, I get the impression that the Ph.D. / Psy.D. distinction may be more important to some VAs then they claim in their brochures. This is just a guess . . . I have some very qualified & experienced friends in Psy.D. programs who haven't been able to get VA interviews while most people in my program (a Ph.D. program) have been.
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The two VAs that I applied to have accepted more PsyDs than PhDs. I'm a PsyD so I thought I had a good shot, in addition to my experience and interests, but that didn't work out for me so well.

nyprincess said:
I too, am geographically restricted, or at least am choosing to be. I applied to 7 sites, 3 are a stretch (1 university counseling center - I have no epxerience in this area, 1 health - I have no experience in this area, 1 pediatric - I have minimal experience in this area), 2 are okay (neuropsychology - my current practicum is in this area), and 2 are a good match (inpatient, severe mental illness - I have a lot of experience here). So far I have 2 rejections - the 2 I had no experience in, 2 interviews, the 2 I am a good match for, and waiting on the last 3. I spent a lot of time on my application (cover letters, essays, and cv), I got excellent letters of recommendation, and have a lot of intervention and assessment hours. Yes, each rejection letter stings a little - even when I know it wouldn't be a good match for me - other than allowing me to stay in my area and complete my requirement for graduation/future licensure. But, I'd rather it work out this way than getting rejected by the sites I really wanted and felt I was a good match for. :eyebrow:
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I have definitely been rejected this year by at least two sites with which I thought I was a good match, and also one that I didn't feel like the best match for. Being rejected by the sites that feel like great matches has stung way more than the one I wasn't a good match for.

Thomakea said:
I just received a rejection via snail mail from Astor Services for Children and Families... that makes 5 definite rejections, 1 probable rejection, and 6 more to go (no invitations)... and most of the sites where I thought I was a really strong match have already rejected me.
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So sorry : ( I totally feel your pain. I hope next week's notifications are PLEASANTLY surprising!
 
16. My adviser told me that applying to more than 15 sites doesn't really make a difference in terms of how likely you are to match. Nonetheless, I probably would have applied to more if I wasn't geographically restricting myself to the Midwest. Reading about people not getting internships after having 17 interviews is pretty scary . . .
 
18 sites - 10 interviews, 3 rejections, 5 left to hear from
 
17 sites: 2 interviews, 4 rejections, 11 left to hear from.
 
16: 4 interviews, 2 rejections, 10 left to hear from (makes me nervous that there are still this many left)... :luck:
 
nyprincess said:
Just curious as to how many sites/tracks people applied to?
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17 sites/ 19 tracks

and I have 6 site/7track interviews, 5 site/6 track rejections (I applied to UNL consortium and one site within the consortium rejected and the other two said yes, hence the weird numbers) and waiting to hear from 6 more sites. Hope that made sense:laugh:
 
I was just looking at last year's match stats... it said for phase ii the range of applications was from 1-118! Where does one find the time to submit 118 applications? How much does that even cost? And most importantly - did they match?!?
 
15 apps total- 3 interviews (YAY!), 7 rejections (BOO), and 5 remaining to hear back from
 
nyprincess said:
I was just looking at last year's match stats... it said for phase ii the range of applications was from 1-118! Where does one find the time to submit 118 applications? How much does that even cost? And most importantly - did they match?!?
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You do not have to pay for applications submitted in Phase II. Additionally, you just send your completed AAPI to the sites, and no cover letters or supplemental materials are needed.
 
cervello said:
You do not have to pay for applications submitted in Phase II. Additionally, you just send your completed AAPI to the sites, and no cover letters or supplemental materials are needed.
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Ah, that makes a big difference! Thanks for the clarification!
 
nyprincess said:
Just curious as to how many sites/tracks people applied to?
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15: So far I have received 3 rejections, and 3.5 interview invites. One of the sites I applied for offered an interview last week - this week they sent out an email discussing state budget cuts (California) and the possibility that there may not be positions for the 2012-2013 year so now the interview is pending. I'm trying to remain optimistic and keeping my fingers crossed for the other sites I've applied for. Good luck everyone! :luck:
 
26 sites, 3 interviews, 4 rejections, 19(!) unknowns. Next week is going to be madness
 
nyprincess said:
I was just looking at last year's match stats... it said for phase ii the range of applications was from 1-118! Where does one find the time to submit 118 applications? How much does that even cost? And most importantly - did they match?!?
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For Phase II, (which I liked a lot) applications were free, you didn't have to personalize cover letters (APPIC informed sites of this), and the whole thing was condensed into about a month (applications, interviews, ranking, matching). They're really trying to fill all spots at that point, so charging for apps might discourage people from applying to all appropriate sites that might want them. My interview percentage for Phase II was 67% vs. about 20-24% for Phase I. I would consider registering for the match even if I didn't get any Phase I interviews, otherwise I wouldn't be eligible for Phase II. (I'm hoping that a ton of sites near me still end up in Phase II by not ranking enough applicants in Phase I but I'd bet sites are more careful about that this year.)
 
15, but 1 site did not have a 3rd LOR, and another I forgot to upload my undergrad transcript (so not sure if I'm being considered at this other site but I did email the transcript to the TD but they haven't responded in any way if that was accepted or not).

So, technically 13 completed applications, 5 interviews, 3 rejections (4 if you count in one of the included incomplete application), and 6 left to hear from (including the site where I forgot my undergrad transcript).

I would out of the 6 left, 3 have already sent interview invites, so I'm really not sure where I stand with those, but leaning towards rejection.

Also, of the interviews I have, roughtly 10 people / slot are being interviewed so I pretty much have to rock the interviews to get ranked high enough. Also, given that 4 out of 5 sites have a current intern (or post-doc, they were an intern the year before) from my school will bode well for me too I hope!
 
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15 applications: 3 interviews, 7 rejections, 5 left to hear from but 3 of them have already sent invitations to others awhile ago so I'm pretty sure those will be rejections too.

Not very optimistic about my chances of matching with only 3 interviews--keep trying to remind myself that it only takes one site to really like me😉
 
Duck Duck Goose said:
For Phase II, (which I liked a lot) applications were free, you didn't have to personalize cover letters (APPIC informed sites of this), and the whole thing was condensed into about a month (applications, interviews, ranking, matching). They're really trying to fill all spots at that point, so charging for apps might discourage people from applying to all appropriate sites that might want them. My interview percentage for Phase II was 67% vs. about 20-24% for Phase I. I would consider registering for the match even if I didn't get any Phase I interviews, otherwise I wouldn't be eligible for Phase II. (I'm hoping that a ton of sites near me still end up in Phase II by not ranking enough applicants in Phase I but I'd bet sites are more careful about that this year.)
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cervello said:
You do not have to pay for applications submitted in Phase II. Additionally, you just send your completed AAPI to the sites, and no cover letters or supplemental materials are needed.
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Just to clarify, this year they are asking applicants to write cover letters for each site in Phase II. Perhaps as a way to prevent someone being able to apply to 118 sites?
 
19 apps; 8 interviews; 2 rejections; 9 to hear from (but I'm thinking 2 of them will be rejections, based on this forum's info!)
 
Sike2012 said:
Just to clarify, this year they are asking applicants to write cover letters for each site in Phase II. Perhaps as a way to prevent someone being able to apply to 118 sites?
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Where do you find this information? Is it in the paperwork sent by NMS when you pay to register for the match?
 
How much have people spent so far (applications, interview clothes, hotel, car, flying, etc) for applications and interviews, and how much are you anticipating to spend?

Me:

15 sites = $175
I'm buying about $200 worth of clothes - 2% cashback
No hotel b/c I'm staying with family and friends.
Driving to 2 and 1 is at my school = $100 in gas - 3% cashback
flying - free so far - I have 2 credit cards with Southwest, so I have 4 free vouchers (these will be used for flights that cost $200+) and 50,000 points (these will be used for cheaper flights).
I already "bought" flight to one internship interview back in November, thankfully, that one has worked out. The other one has worked out too, but I might change one leg. I bought another but that site is 6 hours away, and I have an interview 3 hours away the next day, so I'm driving, so I will be exchanging those for something else if I get interview somewhere I need to fly.

So, roughly $500, likely will add in car rental to two sites, but I can always find those for cheap on name your own price on priceline or autoslash.
 
The people at APA should be ASHAMED that they are not doing anything to help out with the internship crisis. I think that they should 1......limit APA doctoral programs to only 20 students per cohort........2......If a student doesn't match, the program should send the student to a local practicum but the supervisor should evaluate them on a different standard than a practicum student. Just my opinion....
 
DoctorSiggy said:
The people at APA should be ASHAMED that they are not doing anything to help out with the internship crisis. I think that they should 1......limit APA doctoral programs to only 20 students per cohort........2......If a student doesn't match, the program should send the student to a local practicum but the supervisor should evaluate them on a different standard than a practicum student. Just my opinion....
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20 students per cohort seems extremely high to me! Most of the programs I know of admit less than 10 - so if there is to be a max, 10 or 15 (tops) should be the max. How many students are being admitted into cohorts? And yes, programs should be responsible for 'creating' placements for their students that don't get matched.
 
Quynh2007 said:
How much have people spent so far (applications, interview clothes, hotel, car, flying, etc) for applications and interviews, and how much are you anticipating to spend?

Me:

15 sites = $175
I'm buying about $200 worth of clothes - 2% cashback
No hotel b/c I'm staying with family and friends.
Driving to 2 and 1 is at my school = $100 in gas - 3% cashback
flying - free so far - I have 2 credit cards with Southwest, so I have 4 free vouchers (these will be used for flights that cost $200+) and 50,000 points (these will be used for cheaper flights).
I already "bought" flight to one internship interview back in November, thankfully, that one has worked out. The other one has worked out too, but I might change one leg. I bought another but that site is 6 hours away, and I have an interview 3 hours away the next day, so I'm driving, so I will be exchanging those for something else if I get interview somewhere I need to fly.

So, roughly $500, likely will add in car rental to two sites, but I can always find those for cheap on name your own price on priceline or autoslash.
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This is what I found probably MOST ridiculous about the match process last year.

And I had NO desire to play that game again this year either. My potential employer next year (which is a small group PP) is paying for myself and my wife to travel to view the practice. I really appreciate this...and feel this is the way it should be, frankly.
 
nyprincess said:
20 students per cohort seems extremely high to me! Most of the programs I know of admit less than 10 - so if there is to be a max, 10 or 15 (tops) should be the max. How many students are being admitted into cohorts? And yes, programs should be responsible for 'creating' placements for their students that don't get matched.
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So, I did some research..........Argosy University, Washington, DC 2010-2011: 103 applied to internship, 09-10: 86 applied, 08-09: 78 applied...How do you have a class of 103 students???????????? Not a hater, but wow!
 
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DoctorSiggy said:

So, I did some research..........Argosy University, Washington, DC 2010-2011: 103 applied to internship, 09-10: 86 applied, 08-09: 78 applied...How do you have a class of 103 students???????????? Not a hater, but wow!
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That is insane! I just did a quick search online and found that PhD programs admit between 5-15 students/year, and PsyD programs admit between 25-60 students/year. It is no wonder if schools are admitting that many that there is a shortage in internships! One reason may be that where PhD programs fund their students - they are more selective in the process and limit amount of students - since they are paying for it. However, PsyD programs tend to charge their students - so yes, greed may be a factor here, the more they let in, the more money they make, and it's not their problem when students don't get matched - they just reapply the next year, and the next therefore unnecessarily inflating the number of unmatched applicants! Just my opinion... 😱 CRAZY!!!
 
nyprincess said:
That is insane! I just did a quick search online and found that PhD programs admit between 5-15 students/year, and PsyD programs admit between 25-60 students/year. It is no wonder if schools are admitting that many that there is a shortage in internships! One reason may be that where PhD programs fund their students - they are more selective in the process and limit amount of students - since they are paying for it. However, PsyD programs tend to charge their students - so yes, greed may be a factor here, the more they let in, the more money they make, and it's not their problem when students don't get matched - they just reapply the next year, and the next therefore unnecessarily inflating the number of unmatched applicants! Just my opinion... 😱 CRAZY!!!
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Let's be clear, not all Psy.D. programs admit that many. There are several that admit under 20, and end up having much smaller class sizes. But yes, I agree... some programs admit entirely too many people.
 
hey there said:
Let's be clear, not all Psy.D. programs admit that many. There are several that admit under 20, and end up having much smaller class sizes. But yes, I agree... some programs admit entirely too many people.
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I was always wondering why every year the number of students increased during Phase I, I guess I never cared until I was in the internship lottery....
 
nyprincess said:
That is insane! I just did a quick search online and found that PhD programs admit between 5-15 students/year, and PsyD programs admit between 25-60 students/year. It is no wonder if schools are admitting that many that there is a shortage in internships! One reason may be that where PhD programs fund their students - they are more selective in the process and limit amount of students - since they are paying for it. However, PsyD programs tend to charge their students - so yes, greed may be a factor here, the more they let in, the more money they make, and it's not their problem when students don't get matched - they just reapply the next year, and the next therefore unnecessarily inflating the number of unmatched applicants! Just my opinion... 😱 CRAZY!!!
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This is a major problem in our field. I come from a PsyD program (cohort under 10 with tuition waiver and funding) but every where I go, I feel I have to defend my degree. I had to be very careful with the sites I applied to because so many programs equate "PsyD" with subpar training. In fact, partly because of this issue my program is considering a move to a PhD model. Regardless, I am not sure what the solution is. There is a need for a PsyD degree (not everyone is going to go into research or academia) but the system in its current form is unsustainable.
 
nyprincess said:
Where do you find this information? Is it in the paperwork sent by NMS when you pay to register for the match?
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No, it's here (this is the TD version but the applicant one is similar and on the same site) :
http://www.appic.org/Match/FAQs/Training-Directors/Phase-II

I did tailor my cover letters last year in Phase II and I do think that is why I got 2/3 interviews. I can't imagine applicants asking to be require to tailor their cover letters in Phase II, though, like it says happened in the link above... Doesn't make sense to request that requirement, at all.
 
Nomofish said:
This is a major problem in our field. I come from a PsyD program (cohort under 10 with tuition waiver and funding) but every where I go, I feel I have to defend my degree. I had to be very careful with the sites I applied to because so many programs equate "PsyD" with subpar training. In fact, partly because of this issue my program is considering a move to a PhD model. Regardless, I am not sure what the solution is. There is a need for a PsyD degree (not everyone is going to go into research or academia) but the system in its current form is unsustainable.
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I am not trying to judge any one program - just speaking generally, from the information I came across. Obviously, if a program, PhD or PsyD is funding their students the numbers admitted are going to dwarf in comparison to those that are charging their students per credit. And PhD programs do train their students to be clinicians as well. Also, there are subpar both PhD and PsyD programs. However, it is (generally speaking) the programs that admit these vast numbers that are less vested in successfully placing these students... I believe this is what they refer to as diploma mills. 😕
 
Nomofish said:
This is a major problem in our field. I come from a PsyD program (cohort under 10 with tuition waiver and funding) but every where I go, I feel I have to defend my degree. I had to be very careful with the sites I applied to because so many programs equate "PsyD" with subpar training. In fact, partly because of this issue my program is considering a move to a PhD model. Regardless, I am not sure what the solution is. There is a need for a PsyD degree (not everyone is going to go into research or academia) but the system in its current form is unsustainable.
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I also come from a Psy. D. program, and several of my classmates have gotten interviews to top sites (including Ivys). However, I do know that some TDs do take what school you come from into consideration (and I am assuming this is more the case for Psy.Ds). A family friends is a TD at a competitive site, and I asked her awhile ago some things sites initially look at on an application. In addition to something like meeting the hour requirement, I was surprised when she mentioned the schools someone comes from, and she described it as checking to make sure the school "makes the cut." In any case, APA accredits a lot of these overpopulated programs...
 
Surprised to get an interview invite on a Saturday... It was personalized, optional open houses are Jan 4th and Jan 6th. Interviews are between Jan 3rd-25th.
 
hey there said:
I also come from a Psy. D. program, and several of my classmates have gotten interviews to top sites (including Ivys). However, I do know that some TDs do take what school you come from into consideration (and I am assuming this is more the case for Psy.Ds). A family friends is a TD at a competitive site, and I asked her awhile ago some things sites initially look at on an application. In addition to something like meeting the hour requirement, I was surprised when she mentioned the schools someone comes from, and she described it as checking to make sure the school "makes the cut." In any case, APA accredits a lot of these overpopulated programs...
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Yes, that is another issue in it's entirety! There are excellent programs that are not APA accredited for whatever reason (as there are excellent internship sites that remain unaccredited). And then there are programs that are APA accredited and allowed to due a disservice to their students and our field! Again, not trying to single out any one program...
 
hey there said:
I also come from a Psy. D. program, and several of my classmates have gotten interviews to top sites (including Ivys). However, I do know that some TDs do take what school you come from into consideration (and I am assuming this is more the case for Psy.Ds). A family friends is a TD at a competitive site, and I asked her awhile ago some things sites initially look at on an application. In addition to something like meeting the hour requirement, I was surprised when she mentioned the schools someone comes from, and she described it as checking to make sure the school "makes the cut." In any case, APA accredits a lot of these overpopulated programs...
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True that. I have also met excellent clinicians who come from larger or non-accredited programs. Its just a difficult situation all the way around.
 
This evening I got a mass email interview invitation at Franciscan Children's Hospital!
 
:soexcited:Received personalized invitation this evening. I'm super excited about this one.
 
Member1461 said:
Surprised to get an interview invite on a Saturday... It was personalized, optional open houses are Jan 4th and Jan 6th. Interviews are between Jan 3rd-25th.
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Congrats on your interview! Did your email come tonight, or was it earlier today?
 
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