2013 APPIC Internship Application Thread

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Does anyone know if sites contacting TDs at schools is common practice? I'm gonna be honest, that makes me feel a little uneasy about the selection process. Whether the TD knows people at these sites or the sites are really eager to match with these students, it doesn't seem very neutral to me.

If it happened for me or anyone else in my program, then I never heard about it. Nor has anyone I've ever spoken with about internship ever mentioned it, although I've also never explicitly asked.

I'd imagine sites tend to be cautious about this sort of thing so as not to violate APPIC's rules regarding contact with applicants.
 
I am curious what others' experiences have been so far regarding getting post-interview feedback from sites. I have sent thank yous to each of my sites, and have gotten very little in response. Also, some of the sites that others in my program interviewed with have contacted our TD to say how much they liked my classmates. Is this common? Should one be worried if they are not getting this type of feedback?

Of the 6 places I interviewed, I sent thank you letters to 5 of them-- one explicitly said "dont do that- we know you're interested because you bothered to travel here". Of the 5 I sent, I only recieved one response from a TD to me (if they've sent anything to my program, I am unaware of it). I had to caution myself against thinking anything more of it because I felt that interview went very well, but I'm pretty certain it's more of an interpersonal style than anything indicative of their interest in me.
 
Does anyone know if sites contacting TDs at schools is common practice? I'm gonna be honest, that makes me feel a little uneasy about the selection process. Whether the TD knows people at these sites or the sites are really eager to match with these students, it doesn't seem very neutral to me.

I will share that I felt slightly uneasy in one of my interviews-- there were only two applicants that day (myself and another) and the other person and the TD clearly knew each other very well from a few years ago. I'll give the TD this- they were very professional, but I started out my day feeling down 1 to this person who tons of previous experience with the training director at the internship site.
 
I only had two interviews so my experience is limited. I sent thank you notes to both sites. I heard nothing back from one site, but the other sent me back an email telling me how much they enjoyed meeting me and wished me luck. I would like to know what is normal as well !

Feedback from sites at this stage or responses to thank-you notes is unlikely or rare, given that programs are incredibly busy finalizing interviews and rank lists and also should not appear to be sharing any kind of ranking information or attempting to influence this process. This can vary across sites but don't make yourself crazy trying to interpret response or lack of response.
 
I am curious what others' experiences have been so far regarding getting post-interview feedback from sites. I have sent thank yous to each of my sites, and have gotten very little in response. Also, some of the sites that others in my program interviewed with have contacted our TD to say how much they liked my classmates. Is this common? Should one be worried if they are not getting this type of feedback?

I know of several instances where sites have contacted our TD or an advisor to say how much they liked someone. I think it's inappropriate but it happens. Can't spend too much time worrying about it - people can only match at 1 site and take 1 spot.
 
Hi Everyone: I am writing because I need some help. I only have one site to rank but there training is predominately children. I don't want to pigeonholed in this population. Will my opprtunities be limited to only children if i take an internship with this population? What should I do?? I really need an internship and this is my second year applying. Will post doc have to be with children as well?
 
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Hi All,

Many of my sites explicitly stated that they don't want or don't count "thank you's". I didn't send any as a result, even to sites that didn't say anything either way, for fear of appearing to be pushing the appic bounds, and because i very clearly expressed by strong interest and appreciation during interviews, but now as i sit twiddling my thumbs til the 22nd and the 6th approaches, i wonder if that was an error. what are your thoughts on thank you's? is this a game changer? and if so, is it too late to send them?

thanks!

K
 
Hi Everyone: I am writing because I need some help. I only have one site to rank but there training is predominately children. I don't want to pigeonholed in this population. Will my opprtunities be limited to only children if i take an internship with this population? What should I do?? I really need an internship and this is my second year applying. Will post doc have to be with children as well?

I think that a useful question to ask yourself is would you rather not have an internship than take one that will qualify you more for child positions? In my opinion, if your training was across the lifespan then a child internship won't close doors for you. I know people who did adult internships and went on to do a child post-doc so I don't see why you couldn't do the opposite. I also know people who found a love for a population they didn't think they would. But you can't have a career if you don't graduate.

Another thing to consider is that this is your second time applying for internship and not ranking it means that you will be significantly delaying graduation. In my situation, that would mean a lot of debt but I don't know what your situation is. I would also ask myself if I sincerely thought I would have better odds next year considering the two previous years. It is really tough to get an internship in the current internship crisis. Only you can decide what is right for you but I hope these questions are helpful in clarifying what you should do based on your situation and priorities.
 
Hi All,

Many of my sites explicitly stated that they don't want or don't count "thank you's". I didn't send any as a result, even to sites that didn't say anything either way, for fear of appearing to be pushing the appic bounds, and because i very clearly expressed by strong interest and appreciation during interviews, but now as i sit twiddling my thumbs til the 22nd and the 6th approaches, i wonder if that was an error. what are your thoughts on thank you's? is this a game changer? and if so, is it too late to send them?

thanks!

K

I did the same, whether sites explicitly said not to or said nothing. I think the reasons you stated are enough. If they liked you as a candidate, then it shouldn't affect your ranking. And if it did- lets be honest, how much do you really think it would change your ranking? Maybe you'd go from 4th to 5th? I wouldn't sweat it.
 
Thanks Moonlight!🙂 I will rank it. I needed it to hear some sort of hope or reassurance. Thanks a bunch
 
Hi All,

Many of my sites explicitly stated that they don't want or don't count "thank you's". I didn't send any as a result, even to sites that didn't say anything either way, for fear of appearing to be pushing the appic bounds, and because i very clearly expressed by strong interest and appreciation during interviews, but now as i sit twiddling my thumbs til the 22nd and the 6th approaches, i wonder if that was an error. what are your thoughts on thank you's? is this a game changer? and if so, is it too late to send them?

thanks!

K

As was mentioned above, I'd be very, very surprised if not sending a thank you note/email changed any applicant's rating in any way.
 
I'm curious...is there something behind sites often waiting until the very last minute of their interview notification deadline? I'm just interested if there is some sort if reasoning behind this as I've noticed it with many of my sites. I'm waiting to hear from a site with a notification deadline of today and I figured that especially this late in the game they would notify us much sooner than last minute since they collected applications three weeks ago. So just a random question but I've been wondering what's behind this!
 
I'm curious...is there something behind sites often waiting until the very last minute of their interview notification deadline? I'm just interested if there is some sort if reasoning behind this as I've noticed it with many of my sites. I'm waiting to hear from a site with a notification deadline of today and I figured that especially this late in the game they would notify us much sooner than last minute since they collected applications three weeks ago. So just a random question but I've been wondering what's behind this!
My guess is there is no "reasoning" and that is it more the result of 1) having received a pile of last minute apps that they feel honor bound to review before making final decisions, and 2) having jobs that include many duties beyond being a TD, so that clinic crises, budget deadlines, etc., can make them work on very tight, multiple timelines. For the majority of TDs, that role is only part of their job.
 
My guess is there is no "reasoning" and that is it more the result of 1) having received a pile of last minute apps that they feel honor bound to review before making final decisions, and 2) having jobs that include many duties beyond being a TD, so that clinic crises, budget deadlines, etc., can make them work on very tight, multiple timelines. For the majority of TDs, that role is only part of their job.

This is absolutely correct.

A little behind the scenes info:We have a couple of hundred applications (typically 200-250) to review and rank for a limited number of interview spots. We have weekly meetings to address this as a group (10-12 psychologists) in order to determine our final group for interviews (approximately 40-50). This is in addition to our regular duties with no special time carved out besides the weekly meeting which is during lunch. We are typically scrambling right up to our interview notification deadline. It is just a lot of work.
 
This is absolutely correct.

A little behind the scenes info:We have a couple of hundred applications (typically 200-250) to review and rank for a limited number of interview spots. We have weekly meetings to address this as a group (10-12 psychologists) in order to determine our final group for interviews (approximately 40-50). This is in addition to our regular duties with no special time carved out besides the weekly meeting which is during lunch. We are typically scrambling right up to our interview notification deadline. It is just a lot of work.

And getting 10-12 psychologists to agree on anything can take awhile! 🙂 At least at our site the decisions are made by only 2 busy people.
 
And getting 10-12 psychologists to agree on anything can take awhile! 🙂 QUOTE]

No kidding. Especially when you factor in the "this person's letter of rec writer is an old colleague of mine" variable.
 
Hi Everyone: I am writing because I need some help. I only have one site to rank but there training is predominately children. I don't want to pigeonholed in this population. Will my opprtunities be limited to only children if i take an internship with this population? What should I do?? I really need an internship and this is my second year applying. Will post doc have to be with children as well?

As long as you have prior experience with other populations, it shouldn't limit you to work at a child-only internship site. If you look at it another way....if you matched to a VA, you wouldn't be limited to working with only Veterans for post-doc/jobs.

Hi All,

Many of my sites explicitly stated that they don't want or don't count "thank you's". I didn't send any as a result....etc.

This comes up every year, and the universal response is to not worry about it. Sites are typically slammed with applicants and other professional responsibilities, so thank you notes are the farthest thing from their minds.

I'm curious...is there something behind sites often waiting until the very last minute of their interview notification deadline?

I have yet to hear of an internship site where the faculty/staff have the luxury of handling the review process in a leisurely or expedited manner, so I wouldn't worry about not hearing back until the posted deadline. Most colleagues that I know who are part of training committees need to squeeze in the training committee meetings around everything else in their day, so a lot of times even if they wanted to get everything done a week or two early...it just isn't going to happen.

And getting 10-12 psychologists to agree on anything can take awhile! 🙂 At least at our site the decisions are made by only 2 busy people.

Long answer: I am not currently involved in the internship review process, but when I did participate in the process (at a prior institution), we went right up to the deadline because the review process was rather involved. We had two raters in addition to the DCT (who reviewed every applicant), and then a sub-set of clinical staff met to review the apps that made it through the first set of reviewers. An interview ranking was then set, and only then did notifications go out to applicants. Then there were post-interview meetings that reviewed all of the feedback for each applicant, and then a final rank list was established.

Short answer: People are really busy, and to be fair to the applicants and the reviewers, it often will take right up to the deadline to complete the review process.
 
Is anyone else in the position to choose between a VA setting and an academic medical center? I'm trying to decide and wondering if choosing one over the other will limit my opportunities in the other setting further down the line for postdocs and job opportunities. Just not sure I'm ready to make that decision right now.
 
Is anyone else in the position to choose between a VA setting and an academic medical center? I'm trying to decide and wondering if choosing one over the other will limit my opportunities in the other setting further down the line for postdocs and job opportunities. Just not sure I'm ready to make that decision right now.

My N=1....I was in your position when I went through internship. I had two VA sites amongst a bunch of AMCs sites. My training goals were best met by the rotations and mentorship opportunities being offered at the VA sites, but I had "sexier" big name AMCs tempting me with their reputations and big city offerings. :laugh: I matched to a VA site, and I had zero problems transitioning back to AMCs for fellowship and employment. I'd rank the VA & AMC sites by fit and not the type of setting. If you *only* have VA experience, it might be helpful to have AMC experience, but I don't think that is a dealbreaker. The same holds true if you *only* have AMC experience. Solid clinicians/researchers get offers for both settings....I guess I just got lucky. 😉
 
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Is anyone else in the position to choose between a VA setting and an academic medical center? I'm trying to decide and wondering if choosing one over the other will limit my opportunities in the other setting further down the line for postdocs and job opportunities. Just not sure I'm ready to make that decision right now.

The plus side of the VA system is that it is one of the largest employers for psychologists and they tend to prioritize their trainees for jobs after internship and fellowship. While you can get into a VA after an AMC, its probably more of a sure bet if you are already on internship at the VA site. Also, some AMC's provide more generalist training so it may be tough to transition back into the VA system if you want to get into a PTSD or geropsych position. I don't know what type of training your AMC provides so I can't comment on the fit between the site and the VA.
 
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Hey guys!

I'm just wondering if anyone who had an interview at UAB has heard from them re whether or not they're being ranked? I remember the Training Director mentioning that they would let people know whether or not they were being ranked... I haven't heard either way and was just wondering if anyone had heard back either way. (I applied for the adult neuropsych psychiatry track if that helps)

Fingers crossed this whole process works out for everyone!
 
The plus side of the VA system is that it is one of the largest employers for psychologists and they tend to prioritize their trainees for jobs after internship and fellowship. While you can get into a VA after an AMC, its probably more of a sure bet if you are already on internship at the VA site. Also, some AMC's provide more generalist training so it may be tough to transition back into the VA system if you want to get into a PTSD or geropsych position. I don't know what type of training your AMC provides so I can't comment on the fit between the site and the VA.


Thanks for the feedback T4C and PHD12!

Re. the training - I definitely see how going to a VA for PTSD or gero would be the best route but I think both the AMCs and VAs I have to choose between have comparable training in my area. This is such a hard decision but it seems like while difficult, choosing one route over the other doesn't automatically rule me out for either career path? I have experience in both settings and while I've always leaned more towards research at an AMC, the VA lifestyle is quite appealing and the vet population is really fantastic.
 
Thanks for the feedback T4C and PHD12!

Re. the training - I definitely see how going to a VA for PTSD or gero would be the best route but I think both the AMCs and VAs I have to choose between have comparable training in my area. This is such a hard decision but it seems like while difficult, choosing one route over the other doesn't automatically rule me out for either career path? I have experience in both settings and while I've always leaned more towards research at an AMC, the VA lifestyle is quite appealing and the vet population is really fantastic.

Choosing one over the other shouldn't necessarily limit your opportunities down the road, no (assuming you've gotten experience in both settings at some point in your training, as T4C said). The biggest advantage to working in one setting over the other is then being able to have those supervisors write letters and network on your behalf.

In the end, though, it's all about just doing your best to round out your training. Whichever site will help you the most in that respect is the one your should attend.
 
Re: choosing between AMC and VA, I'm in that same boat.
Question for you guys.. 1 AMC gives me two types of training (in primary care and sleep medicine), but where to go after internship year is unknown... On the other hand, if I match at any of my multiple VA spots, I'll get training in primary care, but not at all in sleep medicine. If I want to get involved in sleep medicine through the VA (and yes, they do that, but at different sites that didn't interview me, but that I applied for) will I be able to work in that area later in my career, or am I limited to never doing that work and getting pigeon-holed in primary care at a VA? Note, I love primary care, but I've always had this attraction to sleep medicine that I feel I need to explore.
 
Re: choosing between AMC and VA, I'm in that same boat.
Question for you guys.. 1 AMC gives me two types of training (in primary care and sleep medicine), but where to go after internship year is unknown... On the other hand, if I match at any of my multiple VA spots, I'll get training in primary care, but not at all in sleep medicine. If I want to get involved in sleep medicine through the VA (and yes, they do that, but at different sites that didn't interview me, but that I applied for) will I be able to work in that area later in my career, or am I limited to never doing that work and getting pigeon-holed in primary care at a VA? Note, I love primary care, but I've always had this attraction to sleep medicine that I feel I need to explore.

Do you have any previous experience in sleep medicine? If not, I'd say getting some on internship should probably be a primary goal...although there's always the option of getting into a primary care fellowship that would also allow sleep medicine training. Based on my limited knowledge, it seems to be a fairly specialized area of practice, so I'd likely prioritize attempting to get training during internship if at all possible.

That's just my take on it, though.
 
Re: choosing between AMC and VA, I'm in that same boat.
Question for you guys.. 1 AMC gives me two types of training (in primary care and sleep medicine), but where to go after internship year is unknown... On the other hand, if I match at any of my multiple VA spots, I'll get training in primary care, but not at all in sleep medicine. If I want to get involved in sleep medicine through the VA (and yes, they do that, but at different sites that didn't interview me, but that I applied for) will I be able to work in that area later in my career, or am I limited to never doing that work and getting pigeon-holed in primary care at a VA? Note, I love primary care, but I've always had this attraction to sleep medicine that I feel I need to explore.

if you have previous VA experience that may facilitate a VA postdoc (i'm sure you know that) and there are some VA postdocs that are more broadly "heath Psychology" and provide opportunities in a good range of BMed experiences. Maybe it'd be helpful to look at postdocs and see how common ones are that'd let you get bmed training, and maybe if interns from the AMC have gone to those VA general BMed postdocs?
 
Thanks so much all for responding to my questions about thank you's!
 
Hey everyone! I'm beyond ecstatic that the match process is almost done!!! I wish you all the best!

The survey we are conducting about applicant experiences and characteristics is still open with limited time left...I urge you to visit the link http://edu.surveygizmo.com/s3/1035856/Qualification-of-Internship-Applicants and help us provide a student perspective to the APPIC process! Plus you get the chance to win a gift card - yipee! 😉

THANK YOU!!!! Your time and support are greatly appreciated 🙂
 
can you post on SDN when you start to get your findings in? v interesting!
 
Hey guys!

I'm just wondering if anyone who had an interview at UAB has heard from them re whether or not they're being ranked? I remember the Training Director mentioning that they would let people know whether or not they were being ranked... I haven't heard either way and was just wondering if anyone had heard back either way. (I applied for the adult neuropsych psychiatry track if that helps)

Fingers crossed this whole process works out for everyone!

This is confusing. Isn't this against APPIC policies? My understanding is that programs and students are forbidden to discuss ranking while going through the interview process. A TD at a very nice APA accredited site told me that I would almost certainly be ranked. But he then asked that I let them know as soon as possible if I were not going to rank them. Seemed like a weird request to me. 😕
 
There have been 5 sites who have contacted me letting me know I am a finalist.
 
This is confusing. Isn't this against APPIC policies? My understanding is that programs and students are forbidden to discuss ranking while going through the interview process. A TD at a very nice APA accredited site told me that I would almost certainly be ranked. But he then asked that I let them know as soon as possible if I were not going to rank them. Seemed like a weird request to me. 😕

As far as I know, it's only against APPIC policy to let you know (or for you to let the site know) the actual specifics of ranking positions (i.e., where you/they will be ranked on their/your list). I believe APPIC actually encourages or requires sites to let you know if they're no longer considering your application.
 
As far as I know, it's only against APPIC policy to let you know (or for you to let the site know) the actual specifics of ranking positions (i.e., where you/they will be ranked on their/your list). I believe APPIC actually encourages or requires sites to let you know if they're no longer considering your application.

Yup. I've had two sites contact me to confirm that I am being ranked (but not how highly, obviously), and no word from any other sites. I think that's pretty typical.
 
I have also had sites contact me to let me know about positive impressions during the interview and informing me that I am a final candidate for their ranking list. I also had one site let me know I'm no longer being considered. Forgive me if this has already been discussed.... But why do they actually do this? According to my understanding of the algorithm this would have no bearing on the outcome of the match? If we are still in the running, that's great. But if we are no longer being considered I sort of feel like it's unnecessarily anxiety-provoking at this part in the process? Am I missing something here?
 
I have also had sites contact me to let me know about positive impressions during the interview and informing me that I am a final candidate for their ranking list. I also had one site let me know I'm no longer being considered. Forgive me if this has already been discussed.... But why do they actually do this? According to my understanding of the algorithm this would have no bearing on the outcome of the match? If we are still in the running, that's great. But if we are no longer being considered I sort of feel like it's unnecessarily anxiety-provoking at this part in the process? Am I missing something here?
The general advice to training directors is to only let not-to-be ranked candidates know if the TD wants to deliver the news and it is well in advance of the deadline. Close to the deadline it is anxiety-inducing and, as you note, better to just let the ranking and matching process do its work and for everyone to rank for what they want. The algorithm handles it without changing your rank order of your options. I also think directors are flirting with rules violations if they make calls to folks individually about ranking them as how your handle the verbal exchanges can be so vulnerable to mis-interpretation. A standard email to all candidates conveying they are among the ranked is clearer and cleaner, but even that should not be interpreted, by its presence or absence, as a signal or sign. It is a tough process all around for sure.
 
As far as I know, it's only against APPIC policy to let you know (or for you to let the site know) the actual specifics of ranking positions (i.e., where you/they will be ranked on their/your list). I believe APPIC actually encourages or requires sites to let you know if they're no longer considering your application.

This is correct. It is fine to let applicants know whether they are being ranked or not. You cannot discuss how high or low they will be ranked. Our site always informs applicants if they will be ranked or not.
 
Yup. I've had two sites contact me to confirm that I am being ranked (but not how highly, obviously), and no word from any other sites. I think that's pretty typical.

On a related note, have folks typically replied to these e-mails? I haven't been (on the assumption that my interviews and thank you notes conveyed my enthusiasm), but I wouldn't want that to be interpreted as lack of interest, especially for my top sites.
 
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This is correct. It is fine to let applicants know whether they are being ranked or not. You cannot discuss how high or low they will be ranked. Our site always informs applicants if they will be ranked or not.

I need to stop reading this site. Increased anxiety because I have not been notified I will be ranked. Does every site always notify?
 
On a related note, have folks typically replied to these e-mails? I haven't been (on the assumption that my interviews and thank you notes conveyed my enthusiasm), but I wouldn't want that to be interpreted as lack of interest, especially for my top sites.

If it is a generic e-mail, there is no need to respond. If it is more personalized, it is ok to respond if you want. It has never swayed my opinion one way or the other about an applicant. On the other hand, last minute opportunistic e-mailing in a poorly disguised attempt to score some last minute points is not something that makes a good impression on me. In fact, a few years back I lowered someone on my ranking because they e-mailed me a few days before the rank list was due and asked several question which they already asked ,and received extensive answers to, during interview.
 
I need to stop reading this site. Increased anxiety because I have not been notified I will be ranked. Does every site always notify?

I think there are sites that don't notify and sites that notify either way (ranked or no longer under consideration). If you haven't heard anything either way, it probably means your sites don't notify (which is more common than notifying). I wouldn't sweat it.
 
If it is a generic e-mail, there is no need to respond. If it is more personalized, it is ok to respond if you want. It has never swayed my opinion one way or the other about an applicant. On the other hand, last minute opportunistic e-mailing in a poorly disguised attempt to score some last minute points is not something that makes a good impression on me. In fact, a few years back I lowered someone on my ranking because they e-mailed me a few days before the rank list was due and asked several question which they already asked ,and received extensive answers to, during interview.

Reassuring; thanks!
 
I am an "alternate" for a site and did not end up getting an interview. I have heard of some sites ranking students that were not interviewed, but wondered how common this is. While there is no harm on my end ranking them, it would obviously have to be done without a visit/interview to the site and solely based on other knowledge. Also, the big question would be if I would be comfortable with being at a site that I did not know from an interview. I know it would also be a long-shot, but has anyone had experience with this or is in a similar situation?
 
I am an "alternate" for a site and did not end up getting an interview. I have heard of some sites ranking students that were not interviewed, but wondered how common this is. While there is no harm on my end ranking them, it would obviously have to be done without a visit/interview to the site and solely based on other knowledge. Also, the big question would be if I would be comfortable with being at a site that I did not know from an interview. I know it would also be a long-shot, but has anyone had experience with this or is in a similar situation?

Had a similar situation where University of South Florida did not offer me an interview, but specifically said they hoped I ranked them, because they were going to rank me. Pretty sure they would rank the candidates that they offered interviews higher, and I am an "alternate," in the case all their interviewee's matched elsewhere.
 
AHHH! Just noticed, everyone has exactly 36 hours till rankings close.

Supposedly there was a glitch last year, because many people waited to the last minute. I would certify them ASAP, and make changes as needed.
 
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I am an "alternate" for a site and did not end up getting an interview. I have heard of some sites ranking students that were not interviewed, but wondered how common this is. While there is no harm on my end ranking them, it would obviously have to be done without a visit/interview to the site and solely based on other knowledge. Also, the big question would be if I would be comfortable with being at a site that I did not know from an interview. I know it would also be a long-shot, but has anyone had experience with this or is in a similar situation?

I ended up as an alternate at a site also without an interview. The email told me to rank them and I did. I'm a little more comfortable doing so as this site is in the same town where I did my undergrad and I'm familiar with the site even though I did not interview there. I know my chance of matching at this site is very remote, but I only received two interviews and I'll grasp at any straw right now.
 
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