2013 APPIC Internship Application Thread

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We're only allowed to apply to APA accredited sites. My PhD program in Clinical Psych had 8 people apply, and 7 matched. Hoping for the best for anyone that did not match. There are some very good Phase II sites out there so don't give up hope. I'm still in shock a little but I can tell you it sure felt good to walk into lab and supervision today with my head held high. I don't think it's all sunk in yet.
 
I'm not sure. I interviewed there--great site and training opportunities. I would definitely apply here again if I had to do phase II. It was my 3rd rank and I matched with my 2nd. Hope that helps
 
I interviewed at the St. Louis VA as well - it seemed like a great site - friendly supportive faculty, loads of great opportunities, and the current interns loved it. I would have been very happy to end up there and ranked it third. Matched to my first choice, however. There are going to be four very fortunate people from Phase II who end up there. There were also multiple opportunities for post docs at the St. Louis VA, and many of the current faculty either did internships and/or post docs there.
 
Matched to my first choice! I get to stay home. =)

For those who didn't match in Phase I, I am so sorry. Please don't lose hope and you know damn well that this is not a reflection of your skills or talents, but is reflective of a broken system. I hope that Phase II brings better news.
 
Didn't match. Second time applying. Devastating.

I'm in the same position and it is making me question my whole place in this profession. I was feeling much more confident this time around and had many more interviews. I really felt I had put my all into preparing myself to be the best possible candidate this time around. It just feels like I wasted the last year.
 
Just found out that my program had a 100% match rate this year!

C'mon Cara S....StudentDoctor.net is not a program, but nice try! Are you planning on applying to clinical psych. PhD programs next year?
 
matched to my top choice!!! 95% match rate!
 
Also didn't match. Pretty bummed about it. There are a few programs in phase two that are good matches, it seems, though I'm not counting on matching there. Sigh.
 
Found out that I matched to my last choice site and it is 3 time zones away from my husband....non-accredited site - but has amazing clinical opportunities. I'm feeling so upset and scared about being so far away from my husband for so long. I really didn't think this would happen given that it was my last choice. Anyone else facing the same situation? Any advice on coping for the internship being away from my husband? Such mixed feelings. 🙁
 
I understand your frustration, but you did realize that matching there would be a possibility, right? How have you all prepared for this? Have you talked about it at all?

It's only a year, you can do ANYTHING for a year.
 
I'm in the same position and it is making me question my whole place in this profession. I was feeling much more confident this time around and had many more interviews. I really felt I had put my all into preparing myself to be the best possible candidate this time around. It just feels like I wasted the last year.
This APPIC match system is so flawed. I hope you and KeepingFaith13 are hanging in there. So stressful.
 
I understand your frustration, but you did realize that matching there would be a possibility, right? How have you all prepared for this? Have you talked about it at all?

It's only a year, you can do ANYTHING for a year.
Hi Runnerdoctor. Yes, I definitely realized that it was a possibility and just thought that by ranking it last, the probability of getting it was really low based on the stats from previous matches and the fact that I was feeling pretty good about a number of my interviews to other sites. I think I was just shocked. We have talked about it to some degree but are now faced with talking about it in much more detail. As we come out of being in shock - I hope we can develop a good plan to get us through the year. Would love any tips that others might have....
 
Hi Runnerdoctor. Yes, I definitely realized that it was a possibility and just thought that by ranking it last, the probability of getting it was really low based on the stats from previous matches and the fact that I was feeling pretty good about a number of my interviews to other sites. I think I was just shocked. We have talked about it to some degree but are now faced with talking about it in much more detail. As we come out of being in shock - I hope we can develop a good plan to get us through the year. Would love any tips that others might have....

I don't have any personal advice or experience in this type of situation, unfortunately, but I can say I've known numerous people who moved away from their spouses and families for the internship year and made it through ok. They fit in visits when they could, and just did their best to focus on getting their work done and enjoying their time in the new city the rest of the time. Many joined local leagues (for those who liked sports) and/or outings groups to help keep themselves busy as well.
 
Hi Runnerdoctor. Yes, I definitely realized that it was a possibility and just thought that by ranking it last, the probability of getting it was really low based on the stats from previous matches and the fact that I was feeling pretty good about a number of my interviews to other sites. I think I was just shocked. We have talked about it to some degree but are now faced with talking about it in much more detail. As we come out of being in shock - I hope we can develop a good plan to get us through the year. Would love any tips that others might have....

Video chatting in gmail/skype, hubby and I would watch something together, like a football game, get that next visit scheduled so you both have something to look forward to and make sure you both plan accordingly to take advantage of the time you are together. The 12 months will go by REALLY quickly.

Hubby and I are going to be long distance again next year, but it's driving distance (<3 hours) so we'll be able to see each often.
 
AcronymAllergy and PurplePants80 - thanks so much for the encouraging words. It actually really helps just knowing that other have or are doing the long-distance thing and are getting through it. The idea of doing stuff together like watching a game or something is a great tip. The distance between us will be significant, but I am hoping to schedule visits every 2 - 3 months. To help get us through it. Great tip to also look into local groups or activities - I'm hoping I can meet people and develop some sort of support network while I'm out there too. Thanks so much!
 
So now that I've matched for internship (yay!) my next thought is on post-docs.

From what I just kind of pick up from listening around, it seems like accreditation is less emphasized as a big benefit for a post-doc like it is for internships. So I was wondering if anyone knows -- what difference does APA accreditation make in terms of post-docs, either regarding licensure or just getting a job or whatever?
 
So now that I've matched for internship (yay!) my next thought is on post-docs.

From what I just kind of pick up from listening around, it seems like accreditation is less emphasized as a big benefit for a post-doc like it is for internships. So I was wondering if anyone knows -- what difference does APA accreditation make in terms of post-docs, either regarding licensure or just getting a job or whatever?
unless you are going for certain specialties, almost none.
 
So now that I've matched for internship (yay!) my next thought is on post-docs.

From what I just kind of pick up from listening around, it seems like accreditation is less emphasized as a big benefit for a post-doc like it is for internships. So I was wondering if anyone knows -- what difference does APA accreditation make in terms of post-docs, either regarding licensure or just getting a job or whatever?

To piggy-back on this, how difficult is it for people to negotiate earlier internship start date? Mine has a really late one, September 1, but I'm interested in a research post-doc fellowship that has orientation early July (it's a week, so I would be using vacation) and start date early August, so a month earlier? Any thoughts?
 
To piggy-back on this, how difficult is it for people to negotiate earlier internship start date? Mine has a really late one, September 1, but I'm interested in a research post-doc fellowship that has orientation early July (it's a week, so I would be using vacation) and start date early August, so a month earlier? Any thoughts?

For internship, my gut would tell me that it's not going to happen, as the programs and training year tend to be very rigidly mapped out in terms of having you start and remain on course with the remainder of your cohort.

You'd likely have an easier time trying to see if you could work out some combination of a later postdoc start date mixed with potentially leave your internship a week or two "early" (which could require you to save up a bundle of personal leave to use for that last week or two). I'd definitely recommend sitting down with your internship TD soon after beginning to let them know about the situation. My internship also had a later start date, and because of that, they ultimately expected that most students would leave at least a few days prior to the official completion date in order to move for fellowship or academic positions.
 
For internship, my gut would tell me that it's not going to happen, as the programs and training year tend to be very rigidly mapped out in terms of having you start and remain on course with the remainder of your cohort.

You'd likely have an easier time trying to see if you could work out some combination of a later postdoc start date mixed with potentially leave your internship a week or two "early" (which could require you to save up a bundle of personal leave to use for that last week or two). I'd definitely recommend sitting down with your internship TD soon after beginning to let them know about the situation. My internship also had a later start date, and because of that, they ultimately expected that most students would leave at least a few days prior to the official completion date in order to move for fellowship or academic positions.

This. My gut feeling is that you'll have a much easier time negotiating an earlier leave date than an earlier start date.
 
Anyone have any advice for a Phase II applicant?

In some ways this is feeling like a fresh start... but I'd also appreciate any input others may have to offer.

Anyone have a Phase II success story they'd be willing to share?
 
Hey all,

Heartfelt congratulations to everyone who matched! I am unfortunately not in your ranks.

I am updating my CV for Phase II and want to include all the hours I have done since November 1. Someone said a while back that they included this information on a section on the CV for Phase II apps and I was wondering if there are tips for where to include this, how to format, etc?
 
Hey all,

Heartfelt congratulations to everyone who matched! I am unfortunately not in your ranks.

I am updating my CV for Phase II and want to include all the hours I have done since November 1. Someone said a while back that they included this information on a section on the CV for Phase II apps and I was wondering if there are tips for where to include this, how to format, etc?

Possibly include the number of hours completed under each sub-heading of the "Clinical Experiences" (or equivalent) section (i.e., include the number of hours you completed at each site along with all other information for those sites, such as duties, supervisors, etc.).
 
Hey all,

Heartfelt congratulations to everyone who matched! I am unfortunately not in your ranks.

I am updating my CV for Phase II and want to include all the hours I have done since November 1. Someone said a while back that they included this information on a section on the CV for Phase II apps and I was wondering if there are tips for where to include this, how to format, etc?

I included this information as a "Summary of Supervised Clinical Training Hours" table located after my listing of Clinical Training Experienced. The table included description of service (e.g, intervention, assessment, supervision, support activity) as well as hour totals.
 
Found out that I matched to my last choice site and it is 3 time zones away from my husband....non-accredited site - but has amazing clinical opportunities. I'm feeling so upset and scared about being so far away from my husband for so long. I really didn't think this would happen given that it was my last choice. Anyone else facing the same situation? Any advice on coping for the internship being away from my husband? Such mixed feelings. 🙁

Although I don't have firsthand experience, two of my friends were in similar situations this year and they found they Skyped and planned weekend visits as frequently as possible. However, they also told me it wasn't as hard as they expected simply because they were so busy! It's only a year so just try to focus on yourself and those amazing clinical opportunities... After all, your husband will be there waiting for you when you're done and I'm sure he'll be a fan of the less stressed, post-doctoral you! 🙂
 
Thank you SDNers! I wanted to thank everyone on the forum for all of their support over the last 7 years since I first began considering switching careers to now after match. I just don't think I could have gotten this far without the constant encouragement on this board.

I matched at a top site and was able to finish my program a year early, which was all helped by advice I got on this site. I have like 100 PMs of answers to questions on things like this dating back to 2005.

I also want to tell those of you that didn't match that my thoughts are with you. We are all 100% behind you! Although I have not experienced this, I am available to support if anyone needs anything. Best of luck to all of you in this process! I am hoping you get awesome matches through Phase II!
 
Although I don't have firsthand experience, two of my friends were in similar situations this year and they found they Skyped and planned weekend visits as frequently as possible. However, they also told me it wasn't as hard as they expected simply because they were so busy! It's only a year so just try to focus on yourself and those amazing clinical opportunities... After all, your husband will be there waiting for you when you're done and I'm sure he'll be a fan of the less stressed, post-doctoral you! 🙂

Thanks so much for your kind words. It's always so encouraging to hear about how people are managing the long-distance thing and that it really is possible to make it through!
 
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I matched to an APA-accred site. Connecticut bound! Woot!!
 
Although I don't have firsthand experience, two of my friends were in similar situations this year and they found they Skyped and planned weekend visits as frequently as possible. However, they also told me it wasn't as hard as they expected simply because they were so busy! It's only a year so just try to focus on yourself and those amazing clinical opportunities... After all, your husband will be there waiting for you when you're done and I'm sure he'll be a fan of the less stressed, post-doctoral you! 🙂

I'm in the same boat - I'll be moving two time-zones and hundreds of miles away from my wife and 8-year old son. I also have the added "bonus" of taking a major financial hit (I was able to start working last year, and so am looking at dropping from $70k to internship pay of around $20k - ouch).

It's going to be hard - visits aren't likely, considering schedules (school, spouse's work schedule, etc.) and how expensive flights are... so we'll be doing a lot of Skype (I'm hoping to be able to keep up my son's bed-time story schedule that way), and reminding ourselves that it's only a year, and a year goes by *quick*
 
people seemed to have really nice things to say about the st. louis VA-- makes me feel a little better about phase 2 prospects.

would anyone share their impressions of:

1) Cincinatti VA
2) Ann Arbor VA
3) Jesse Brown VA
4) Friends Hospital in Philadelphia?
 
In terms of being shocked at getting your last choice, I understand. After twelve interviews and much money spent on travels, I matched to my last choice (which I had written off as a non-possibility due to last year's statistics). However, I am still very grateful that I matched this year. I think the best thing for us to do is to move forward, get the most out our training years, and work hard to get post-docs near our families. It is only one year and will go by very quickly.
 
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Thank you SDNers! I wanted to thank everyone on the forum for all of their support over the last 7 years since I first began considering switching careers to now after match. I just don't think I could have gotten this far without the constant encouragement on this board.

I matched at a top site and was able to finish my program a year early, which was all helped by advice I got on this site. I have like 100 PMs of answers to questions on things like this dating back to 2005.

It is great to see people get through the entire cycle. Good luck on internship!
 
Anyone have any advice for a Phase II applicant?

In some ways this is feeling like a fresh start... but I'd also appreciate any input others may have to offer.

Anyone have a Phase II success story they'd be willing to share?

I thought I'd chime in here...

I went through Phase II the first year it was in existence (2 years ago). Excluding Match Day, I had a great Phase I experience. Lots of interviews, they went well (in my opinion), and then got "that" e-mail on Match Day. Felt incredibly frustrated and confused and upset. I found out after the fact that one of my sites ranked me #2 (I did not ask, they told me after the fact) so I was ONE PERSON away from matching in Phase I.

Went into Phase II and applied just about everywhere that fit with my interests (ended up applying to 21 sites). I got 6 interviews for 7 tracks (FWIW, that did not seem like the norm that year....seemed like 2-4 interviews was the norm. I don't know what it was like last year). Thought long and hard about how I was going to rank sites (do I go in order of what I really want? Or where I think my best chances are in terms of numbers? somewhere in between?). I ended up going with my heart and ranking in true order of preference. My top choice was one of the few APA spots and they only had 1 opening and that's where I ended up matching. I found out after the fact that they had 190+ applicants for that one spot in Phase II.

I say that because I felt so defeated throughout all of Phase II. The numbers were so much worse and people were applying everywhere (literally - at least one or two people applied to every single spot in Phase II) and somehow even though the odds were so much worse, I ended up with my top choice. I ended up having a GREAT internship experience and now I'm on postdoc at a site that I interviewed at in Phase I from that year.

The Phase II process sucks. It's better than clearinghouse in my opinion, but it's still incredibly stressful, plus you have the added factors of peers talking about the sites they matched with, people trying to help you who just end up making it worse, or worse yet - being unintentionally ignored because nobody knows what to do or say that will help. That on top of the stress of not knowing how Phase II will end up makes the coming weeks very difficult.

Get support from wherever it is that is helpful for you. In my experience, this time (right after the first Match Day) and the time in between submitting rankings and Match Day #2 were the absolute hardest times and I needed all the support I could get. Keep up with self-care, do fun things just because they're fun - give yourself a break from internship stuff every now and then, and take care of yourself!

I know it's frustrating but I just wanted to share to let people know that sometimes Phase II can work out for the best (yes, it's easier to say that in hindsight. Two years ago I was nothing more than a blubbering, frustrated, defeated pile of tears). I would not have traded my internship experience for any other site and I'm so thankful that I ended up there (to this day, I don't know why I didn't apply there in Phase I!!!!)

If it helps, I told myself over and over again that in the long run, it doesn't matter. I have my doctorate now and it is no different from the doctorate that my peers (who matched in Phase I) earned. There's no asterisk on my doctorate, there's no tiny fine print, mine is the same as everyone else from Phase I. I still matched. I just matched on a different day. Period.
 
blindchaos-

thank you. Thank you so much. Hearing your story gave me a lot of hope.

Ironically, I am in some ways more excited about Phase II than I was about Phase I. I am applying to sites that I originally considered "too far," now asking myself why I had ruled them out so hastily in Phase I. I see a lot of opportunity and, honestly, I'm a natural optimist. I can't help but hope...

Yet, I'm still in shock from having my Phase I hopes dashed. I'm attempting to focus on the task in front of me and not keep my attention on "the odds" or the increased level of competition etc... but we'll see how I feel on March 14th, or 18th, or 25th.

I am just so glad to hear people matching in Phase II and liking where they ended up! I hope that is my story, too.
 
blindchaos, thank you! I really needed a bit of that perspective right now. I'm going through Phase II right now, and it feels incredibly crushing. I'm trying to do the self-care thing (and I did escape from internship stuff yesterday), but it's definitely an uphill battle. Good to hear some success stories in the midst of this. Yes, it's all anecdotal, but still. 🙂
 
blindchaos-



Yet, I'm still in shock from having my Phase I hopes dashed. I'm attempting to focus on the task in front of me and not keep my attention on "the odds" or the increased level of competition etc... but we'll see how I feel on March 14th, or 18th, or 25th.

I am just so glad to hear people matching in Phase II and liking where they ended up! I hope that is my story, too.

um, what does march 14th stand for? im doing phase II now and i know 18th is ROL and 25 is match, but why should i be paying attn to the 14th?? must have missed that part!
 
March 14th, to my knowledge doesn't stand for anything. I think what ClinPyschEnthus meant is that by that day, you'll probably know how many interviews you have for round II.

Good luck to everyone in round II (including myself). Also, I just want to share some frustration. I've gotten a lot of "advice" from my fellow cohort members that matched in round I. All of this advice is "work on your interview skills." I'm not going to rant, but I don't think I have poor interview skills, and I don't think that's why I didn't match. I wish more people would realize that there are over 1,000 more applicants than positions.

BTW, two of my sites contacted me saying I was their third choice (they had two positions available) and encouraged me to apply next year if I did not or do not match this year. At least I have some prospects in case round two doesn't go well?

/End rant/
 
March 14th, to my knowledge doesn't stand for anything. I think what ClinPyschEnthus meant is that by that day, you'll probably know how many interviews you have for round II.

Good luck to everyone in round II (including myself). Also, I just want to share some frustration. I've gotten a lot of "advice" from my fellow cohort members that matched in round I. All of this advice is "work on your interview skills." I'm not going to rant, but I don't think I have poor interview skills, and I don't think that's why I didn't match. I wish more people would realize that there are over 1,000 more applicants than positions.

BTW, two of my sites contacted me saying I was their third choice (they had two positions available) and encouraged me to apply next year if I did not or do not match this year. At least I have some prospects in case round two doesn't go well?

/End rant/

Gotta love unsolicited advice. 😉 Just because they matched and you didn't doesn't make them experts and you not. Some of this matching stuff really does come down to "luck" because things could have easily played out so those #1 and #2 people ranked and matched with a different site and then you'd have an internship right now. Despite the suckiness, it can at least be comforting to know that you were pretty on top of your game given that those sites contacted you. 🙂

Good luck!
 
March 14th, to my knowledge doesn't stand for anything. I think what ClinPyschEnthus meant is that by that day, you'll probably know how many interviews you have for round II.

Good luck to everyone in round II (including myself). Also, I just want to share some frustration. I've gotten a lot of "advice" from my fellow cohort members that matched in round I. All of this advice is "work on your interview skills." I'm not going to rant, but I don't think I have poor interview skills, and I don't think that's why I didn't match. I wish more people would realize that there are over 1,000 more applicants than positions.

BTW, two of my sites contacted me saying I was their third choice (they had two positions available) and encouraged me to apply next year if I did not or do not match this year. At least I have some prospects in case round two doesn't go well?

/End rant/

I must have forgotten how naming specific dates can trigger neuroses! haha I apologize.

March 14th means nothing. I simply have some things going on at that time, and I consider it an arbitrary date that I'm looking towards in terms of likelihood of having places to rank in Phase II. I apologize for unintentionally contributing to anxiety.

In terms of unsolicited advice, I'm getting a lot of it, too. A LOT of opinions about my cover letter and what I could have done differently in that- though I had just as many interviews as most people giving me opinions. Oh, the irony. I'm trying to work on making my cover letters good for this phase, and focusing on humility and self-care instead of taking on any negativity.

Wishing you all well :luck:
 
I meant to say this in my original post but forgot....if any Phase II SDNers want to chat about the process/vent/ask questions/etc, please feel free to PM me. The only warning is that I'm in the midst of EPPP studying so my replies won't be as fast as they were back when I was going through Phase II! 🙂
 
For those applying for Phase II, now is a good time to ask for help for doing phone/skype interviews since that is much more common for Phase II.
 
Hi all, I was just curious how many sites people were planning on applying to in Phase II?
 
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Hi all, I was just curious how many sites people were planning on applying to in Phase II?

I'm applying to 16 -- it's a lot, but those are ones that I feel I have a pretty good fit with. For most of them, the reason I didn't apply in Phase I was geographic location, and I'm much more willing to expand this time around.
 
I'm applying to 16 -- it's a lot, but those are ones that I feel I have a pretty good fit with. For most of them, the reason I didn't apply in Phase I was geographic location, and I'm much more willing to expand this time around.

I only applied to five. I didn't want to apply to sites I didn't feel were good matches, or that would prohibit me from seeking a decent neuro postdoc.
 
I only applied to five. I didn't want to apply to sites I didn't feel were good matches, or that would prohibit me from seeking a decent neuro postdoc.

This was something I was worried about in the first round and why I applied to mostly APA sites that had some neuro work. Now I am much more willing to go the APPIC route but terrified it will hurt me when trying t get a postdoc. Do you have any thoughts on this? I get mixed information from mentors and faculty so it's a difficult decision for me.
 
I haven't done a ton of research, but I know a lot of neuro postdocs (including the majority of those in the match) require an APA-accredited internship. You can probably find one at a private practice but I'd imagine finding one in a hospital would be tough if you go the APPIC route. Personally, I'm not going to risk it, as much as I hate to wait another year.

EDIT: I'd probably recommend looking at some postdoc brochures and seeing what the sites you're interested in require.
 
This was something I was worried about in the first round and why I applied to mostly APA sites that had some neuro work. Now I am much more willing to go the APPIC route but terrified it will hurt me when trying t get a postdoc. Do you have any thoughts on this? I get mixed information from mentors and faculty so it's a difficult decision for me.

I'm in a competitive location, I couldn't find any decent post-docs that did not require or prefer an APA internship. There are some unpaid ones out here and really low paid ones (like 6K-20K) that don't care about APA internships. CAPIC postdocs don't care about accredited internships (but they are very unappealing to me).
 
This was something I was worried about in the first round and why I applied to mostly APA sites that had some neuro work. Now I am much more willing to go the APPIC route but terrified it will hurt me when trying t get a postdoc. Do you have any thoughts on this? I get mixed information from mentors and faculty so it's a difficult decision for me.

If you want to pursue a 2yr fellowship in neuro and then practice as a neuropsychologist...securing an APA-acred. internship needs to be the goal. Most states allow for licensure as a psychologist w/o an APA-acred. internship....but that doesn't mean you'll be competitive for most/all neuropsych positions out there. The vast majority of hospital-related work requires APA-acred. programs and internships...AND being eligible for boarding.
 
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