- Joined
- Nov 27, 2009
- Messages
- 3,723
- Reaction score
- 3,502
Thisi can't help but notice your icon profile icon every time i read your posts. it's really distracting. i mean... what is it even?!![]()
Thisi can't help but notice your icon profile icon every time i read your posts. it's really distracting. i mean... what is it even?!![]()
LOL. I love the profile icon. I think it's a sheep.
This is just a guess, but I bet that with PCOM-GA being the most recently-opened pharmacy school in GA, they could be the school that has tipped many of the job markets in GA "over the edge" into saturation territory. Then again, like you said, they don't accept nearly as many applicants per year as schools like Mercer and South. I had no idea that Mercer was graduating ~150 pharmacists every year. With their c/o 2016 NAPLEX pass rate being only 79%, I guess that means only 118 or 119 students actually entered the job market last year?
Do you blame your school for your failing and your passing?IMO, I blame schools mainly for students failing or passing. Period.
Yes, I do blame it for my failing. Also, consider that I am an outlier. IMO, a student should not even need to buy or use a "NAPLEX review book" or method to pass this test. After spending thousands of dollars in tuition, it should be immediately understood that as soon as a student graduates then the test will be managable because you have been learning stuff for four years. That is not the case. The majority of students that did not use the "Review books" and relied on the 4 years of education alone that the school gave us. Failed.Do you blame your school for your failing and your passing?
Yes, I do blame it for my failing. Also, consider that I am an outlier. IMO, a student should not even need to buy or use a "NAPLEX review book" or method to pass this test. After spending thousands of dollars in tuition, it should be immediately understood that as soon as a student graduates then the test will be managable because you have been learning stuff for four years. That is not the case. The majority of students that did not use the "Review books" and relied on the 4 years of education alone that the school gave us. Failed.
I passed because I used those review books and other strategies not taught on school (thanks student doctor forum). I am not smart at all and I am way less intelligent/smart at taking exams than my Rho Chi and A+ friends that passed the NAPLEX just by studying 2 days before the exam. However, I managed to get significantly higher score than those super sharp students in the supposedly newer/harder/longer test. We might call it a flaw in the scoring, or whatever we could think of. But it is a fact.
Yes, I do blame it for my failing. Also, consider that I am an outlier. IMO, a student should not even need to buy or use a "NAPLEX review book" or method to pass this test. After spending thousands of dollars in tuition, it should be immediately understood that as soon as a student graduates then the test will be managable because you have been learning stuff for four years. That is not the case. The majority of students that did not use the "Review books" and relied on the 4 years of education alone that the school gave us. Failed.
I passed because I used those review books and other strategies not taught on school (thanks student doctor forum). I am not smart at all and I am way less intelligent/smart at taking exams than my Rho Chi and A+ friends that passed the NAPLEX just by studying 2 days before the exam. However, I managed to get significantly higher score than those super sharp students in the supposedly newer/harder/longer test. We might call it a flaw in the scoring, or whatever we could think of. But it is a fact.
Some schools are very detailed with their info, I found one that showed a PCAT range of 16%-99% (avg in the 60's) -- I mean just wow!
You do know that the competencies for the 2016 test were changed, right? The goal of NABP was to not have as many people pass which is exactly what happened. The test was changed again in November of 2016 to not be adaptive.
People are always complaining about how there are too many pharmacists and when NAPB does something you are calling the schools and students dumb...
It's the quality of students. This isn't hard to verify, many schools publish GPA, PCAT scores, etc. Midwestern Glendale used to boast avg PCAT scores of 88% back in 2009-10? The last year they published it was just above 70% and now they stopped publishing it altogether and so I assume the average is less than 70%. And to corroborate this, I met some very poor students who recently got interviews with a 35% PCAT.
Google some schools and search for class profile or class statistics. Some schools are very detailed with their info, I found one that showed a PCAT range of 16%-99% (avg in the 60's) -- I mean just wow!
omg they took it down, wonder if they were getting compliants from pharm schools lolStatistics can't be found .. they took it down ?! Anyone have the percentages ?
sureStatistics can't be found .. they took it down ?! Anyone have the percentages ?
You cannot honestly wish that kind of situation on another human being can you? At that point, one of the best choices is to literally commit suicide and that is a sickening thought.
I don't know if I agree. Schools aren't omniscient, they will never be able to completely screen out people who can't pass the NAPLEX.
Regardless though, if the person can not pass they shouldn't be a pharmacist. You seem to think otherwise.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using SDN mobile
I was told that there was a student from Appalachian College who killed himself in 2016 after failing the NAPLEX 5 times. Apparently his fiance dumped him after she realized the financial problems he had. He couldn't take it. It sounds like a terrible situation.
I thought it would be morbid given the topic matter to "like" your post despite agreeing for it. Thank you for sharing. This happens more often than one would think. I have heard stories of people cutting themselves and delving into all sorts of deleterious behavior in response.
I know of a few people where this happened, but they were the exception. I know more people who failed out and never got a chance to take the NAPLEX.So what exactly happens to these students that fail the exam? Do most pass on second try? I wonder how many go to pharmacy school and never even practice as a pharmacist after failing the exam multiple times.
Damn.. why not take a review course and try again? Don't you get five shots at it?I know a person who finished the Pharm D, failed the NAPLEX twice, and just gave up. She works a non-pharmacy job that pays $30k per year with $300k+ debt.
Damn.. why not take a review course and try again? Don't you get five shots at it?
I was told that there was a student from Appalachian College who killed himself in 2016 after failing the NAPLEX 5 times. Apparently his fiance dumped him after she realized the financial problems he had. He couldn't take it. It sounds like a terrible situation.
Graduates killing themselves out of despair is sad. You know these administrators don't care aside from possible bad publicity.
You have a very stone cold idea of those administrators.Graduates killing themselves out of despair is sad. You know these administrators don't care aside from possible bad publicity.
They already show they dont have a conscience when it comes to putting us in debt and killing the job.market, this really isnt that far of a leapYou have a very stone cold idea of those administrators.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using SDN mobile
Not only do they not care, but I also think they're actively trying to suppress the spread of information related to the saturation. During the faculty presentations at at least two of my interviews, they showed a screenshot of the old BLS stats (the ones showing 20%+ job market growth) and used it as evidence to talk up how pharmacy will always be a surefire safe career bet. The BLS stats had been out for at least 6 months by this time.
So the NABP is doing what they can do to combat oversaturation. What are you doing?
They've increased the NAPLEX fee to $575, I guess they figure they should take every last penny they can from the rubes.
The only difference between students who passed the exam and failed it is a matter of how much time one spends preparing for the exam over a longer period of time. It has nothing to do with competence as some portray it to be.
I do not know what is the point of this discussion anyway because some of the pharmacist do not have any useful comments about the topic. NAPLEX is not an easy assessment test anymore as some pharmacist portray it to be. Students who came out from the exam feeling they failed it and then find out later they actually passed it , propagate false information to the incoming graduates to feed in their ego. My honest opinion is that new graduates need to prepare for the exam well and pass it. The only difference between students who passed the exam and failed it is a matter of how much time one spends preparing for the exam over a longer period of time. It has nothing to do with competence as some portray it to be.
Not everyone took the CAT (Computer Adaptive Test) version. In 2004, I thought I actually failed because the questions got hard then they got really easy and knowing how the CAT works, getting easy questions meant you were a failing imbecile
Took it in 04 as well - It was obvious when you were getting questions right because they seemed to ask a question that built off of the previous. But dang, they seemed hard, and I thought I failed - I had zero questions on lipids, diabetes, and hypertension. But a ton of questions on vaccines, TB, and HIV. I had the same question asked to me 3 times, but in different ways.
Then I realized I scored a 146 - so I did better than I thought
I do not know what is the point of this discussion anyway because some of the pharmacist do not have any useful comments about the topic. NAPLEX is not an easy assessment test anymore as some pharmacist portray it to be. Students who came out from the exam feeling they failed it and then find out later they actually passed it , propagate false information to the incoming graduates to feed in their ego. My honest opinion is that new graduates need to prepare for the exam well and pass it. The only difference between students who passed the exam and failed it is a matter of how much time one spends preparing for the exam over a longer period of time. It has nothing to do with competence as some portray it to be.