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If there is a good time to dick around in med school, it is certainly 4th year.
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Why are all ortho AOA?
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Ok... got it
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1) No audition rotations
2) Applied to more competitive places that aren't DO friendly
3) Most importantly - applied to less programs
He/she was lucky to match with 7 interviews, but the CVs were super good that heavy research programs wanted that person more.
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The user your quoting really just seems like a butthurt , self hating DO if you ask me. Ruining the celebration. Rude.
We know it's harder for DO's to match, the point of this thread is to show that's its still possible and life is good :3
I know the UTSW IM guy, he's a friggin genius.
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Match Results 2018
OSU COM
Anesthesiology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
University of Oklahoma COM-OK City
Texas A&M Scott & White Temple, TX x2
University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN
Emergency Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
Norman Regional Health System Norman, OK x3
University of Texas HSC-San Antonio
Freeman Health System Joplin, MO x2
Integris Health OKC, OK
Comanche County Memorial Hospital Lawton, OK x2
Family Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x 4
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
University of Oklahoma COM-OK City
In His Image Tulsa, OK.
Chickasaw Nation Medical Center Ada, OK. x2
McAlester Regional Medical Center McAlester, OK.
University of Tennessee COM-Memphis
Tahlequah Medical Group Tahlequah, OK x2
Choctaw Nation Heath Service Authority & Health Center Talihina, OK x3
St. Anthony Hospital OKC, OK
Robert Packer Hospital/Guthrie Sayre, PA.
USAF Medical Center Scott AFB Belleville, IL
Unity Health-White County Medical Center Program. Searcy, Ark.
General Surgery
Henry Ford Allegiance Health Jackson, MI.
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa
Internal Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x3
Northeastern Health System Tahlequah, OK x4
Texas A&M Scott & White Temple, TX x2
Freeman Health System Joplin, MO
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr Salem, NC.
SAUSHEC- Brooke Army MC/Wilford Hall USAF MC
Desert Regional Medical Center Palm Springs, CA.
University of Kansas SOM-Kansas City
Riverside Methodist Columbus, OH
Neurology
University of Texas at Austin Dell Medical School. Austin, TX.
University of Cincinnati Med Ctr. Cincinnati, OH.
Rush University Med Ctr Chicago, IL.
STILL OPTI/Advocate BroMenn Med Ctr. Normal, IL.
Obstetrics Gynecology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x4
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa
MSUCOM/St Joseph Mercy Oakland. Pontiac, MI.
CORE/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr. Dayton, OH.
OMECO/St. Anthony Hospital. OKC, OK.
Orthopedic Surgery
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
MWU/OPTI/Franciscan Health Olympia Fields, IL.
Otolaryngology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
Pathology
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. Little Rock, AR.
University of Chicago (NorthShore) Program. Evanston, IL.
Pediatrics
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x3
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x 3
University of Oklahoma COM-OKC x 2
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. Little Rock, AR.
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program. St. Louis, MO.
Child Neurology
Case Western/Univ Hosps Cleveland Med Ctr Cleveland OH
Phys Medicine & Rehab
University of Kansas SOM-Kansas City
Psychiatry
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
Med-Peds
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
Radiology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
University of Oklahoma COM-OKC
Traditional Rotating Internship
OMECO/St Anthony Hospital. OKC, OK.
OSU COM
Anesthesiology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
University of Oklahoma COM-OK City
Texas A&M Scott & White Temple, TX x2
University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN
Emergency Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
Norman Regional Health System Norman, OK x3
University of Texas HSC-San Antonio
Freeman Health System Joplin, MO x2
Integris Health OKC, OK
Comanche County Memorial Hospital Lawton, OK x2
Family Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x 4
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
University of Oklahoma COM-OK City
In His Image Tulsa, OK.
Chickasaw Nation Medical Center Ada, OK. x2
McAlester Regional Medical Center McAlester, OK.
University of Tennessee COM-Memphis
Tahlequah Medical Group Tahlequah, OK x2
Choctaw Nation Heath Service Authority & Health Center Talihina, OK x3
St. Anthony Hospital OKC, OK
Robert Packer Hospital/Guthrie Sayre, PA.
USAF Medical Center Scott AFB Belleville, IL
Unity Health-White County Medical Center Program. Searcy, Ark.
General Surgery
Henry Ford Allegiance Health Jackson, MI.
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa
Internal Medicine
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x3
Northeastern Health System Tahlequah, OK x4
Texas A&M Scott & White Temple, TX x2
Freeman Health System Joplin, MO
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr Salem, NC.
SAUSHEC- Brooke Army MC/Wilford Hall USAF MC
Desert Regional Medical Center Palm Springs, CA.
University of Kansas SOM-Kansas City
Riverside Methodist Columbus, OH
Neurology
University of Texas at Austin Dell Medical School. Austin, TX.
University of Cincinnati Med Ctr. Cincinnati, OH.
Rush University Med Ctr Chicago, IL.
STILL OPTI/Advocate BroMenn Med Ctr. Normal, IL.
Obstetrics Gynecology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x4
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa
MSUCOM/St Joseph Mercy Oakland. Pontiac, MI.
CORE/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr. Dayton, OH.
OMECO/St. Anthony Hospital. OKC, OK.
Orthopedic Surgery
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
MWU/OPTI/Franciscan Health Olympia Fields, IL.
Otolaryngology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
Pathology
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. Little Rock, AR.
University of Chicago (NorthShore) Program. Evanston, IL.
Pediatrics
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x3
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x 3
University of Oklahoma COM-OKC x 2
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. Little Rock, AR.
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program. St. Louis, MO.
Child Neurology
Case Western/Univ Hosps Cleveland Med Ctr Cleveland OH
Phys Medicine & Rehab
University of Kansas SOM-Kansas City
Psychiatry
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK x5
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
Med-Peds
University of Oklahoma COM-Tulsa x2
Radiology
Oklahoma State University Tulsa, OK
University of Oklahoma COM-OKC
Traditional Rotating Internship
OMECO/St Anthony Hospital. OKC, OK.
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He is a close friend of mine. He did not do any away rotation due to personal matters that came up. His opinion is that away rotations should be only used for obtaining good academic faculty letters since most letters from DO schools are not worth a damn. Also he suggested that people should be going to reach away rotations only expecting to come away with good letters since only 20% of the people from our school actually get matched to the place they did away rotations at-- as you can see he matched to the program where student 1 and 2 both rotated at.
He suspects his low interview invite may be a combo of not having the best letters (one strong letter, one chair letter and one very average/ letter from the clerkship director) plus the fact that his personal statement strongly suggested that he was looking for a very academic program with a track record of producing academic surgeons and MOSTLY because of being DO. He mentioned that both student 1 & 2 however did get interview offers at 5-6 places (the less academic focused university programs such as TT el paso, UTRGVU, Baylor Dallas, SLU) that he did not get any love from.
Finally he mentioned that everyone of his interviewers complimented him on having a solid plan for the future in addition to having a good track record of producing research results.
Some DO biases questions he wrote down and gave to me:
-Vascular Surgeon on first interview: "We have never had a DO in faculty or resident. How did you end up at a DO school?"
-CRS on first interview: "You have an excellent grades and CV, can you explain how someone like you ends up at a DO school?"
-CRS on 2nd interview: "I love DOs, they are great. You obvioulsy have the horsepower, but have you ever worked in an academic center? Do you know how to work with residents? You do know that the academic center is much more intense than any community program.
-Surg Onc on 3rd interview: "DOs are awsome, but what if no one ever hires you as a PD or APD or chairman? How will you handle it?
-"We can rank so many DOs each year"
-"Can you explain this COMLEX score? I just looked at your USMLE score and assume it is good.
-Harvard trained doc: "Tell me about your life story. How did you end up at you DO school"
-"Congratulations on a great CV but can you explain what caused you to go to a DO school?"
-"Can you do some OMM if my back starts hurting in the OR?
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I am probably biased but in my opinion Oklahoma State's match list (above) is a perfect DO match list. What I mean is: They create their own residencies in most specialties and have a good relationship with the state MD school, and the vast majority of the students match at these places (meaning most of them matched their first/second choice because everyone seems to want to stay in OK).
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Lol @ doing OMM in the OR. That's the type of **** a surgeon would say to a DO anesthesiologist
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I'm currently doing a surgical sub-specialty elective at a state MD school and have been asked this twice so far (have 3 weeks left). Last time, I mentioned my wife and how she has family near school and my scholarship, the doc just looked at me, nodded, and said "interesting." Will probably not be asking him for an LOR. The anti-DO bias is very real in surgery and its subspecialties.
That was the “bad” board year too.
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Home programs still matter, premeds don't give it enough credit. There's a lesson there if any of them are reading.
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This is an incredible matchlist, not really familiar with the quality of the programs but it’s nice to see a DO school with solid multispecialty programs for their students to ‘fall back’ on
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Texas A&M Scott and White = formerly Baylor Scott and White?
This list is uninspiring. The "superstars" from their class got (chose?) mediocre programs in their specialty of choice. Last years class was far better and I suspect next years will be as well.
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I’ve never really understood why people ask stellar DO applicants these kinds of questions. I imagine the conversation going like this:
Interveiwer: “You are obviously a great student, so why did you go to a DO school”?
Applicant: “I wasn’t a very good student in undergrad, and now I am better than pretty much everyone.”
Interviewer: “Okay great, just wanted to clarify.”
I mean, what exactly are they trying to achieve? It’s like asking Michael Jordan why he got cut from his high school basketball team. It just doesn’t matter at this point.
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In my opinion its one of the most solid lists there is because you know 90ish% of the class got exactly what they wanted.. to stay in OK. Not prestigious, but if you get what you want then I would call that as good as it gets. But, I would wager that the U of Minnesota and Scott & white anesthesia matches were two of the best anesthesia applicants in the country. Both had great board scores and 5 first and second author pubs in the top 3 anesthesia journals in the world. Both ranked those programs 1 and matched there. They could have gone wherever they wanted.
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No. It’s more like asking him why he went to a lower division college ball team when he playing against people who are not, on the average, as competitive as the higher division college basketball.
Just remember, DO school to residency is like college to med school. It’s the immediate prior step.
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Like Carson Wentz before he was drafted. Keeping up with the sports analogy.
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Okay, it’s like asking a top 10 NFL quarterback like Ben Roethlisberger why he attended a small college. It all leads back to the same thing, it doesn’t matter. These DO students have proven they are “first round draft picks” so to speak, simple as that.
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Just let them keep thinking it does matter. The reason they spend so much time on SDN is because it's the only place they can find people who share the same pathetic, unwarranted views of their DO counterparts. Nobody gives a **** in the real world, so they come here to complain about it and circle jerk each other on a fairly regular, if not daily, basis.
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If no one shares this view, how come there are different outcome in the match (even at fellowship level) given the same step scores and residency programs attended?
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Not this again....its literally every thread either you or sab comes in and takes dumps on DOs...we get it we're second class citizens when it comes to matching still but once you'er in practice nobody gives two sh**s. Eventually it won't be that way I think
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You just continue to sit behind that pretty little facade that SDN has painted for you. I think you're just to egocentric to come to the realization that you are in fact not gods gift to the world and that although you may have placed yourself into a MD program, there are many DO students that are going to do better than you and be better than you. I think it frightens you that some DOs are making amazing matches and that's why you come here to spew whatever hatred you can manage to conjure up.
Let me guess....
"They only matched into those programs because they're noncompetitive." ???
or is it.....
"They only matched into those programs because they know so and so." ???
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This is far from a perfect list. I’d say it’s the weakest match list of all the ones posted so far, and probably one of the weakest I’ve ever seen. With what you guys are saying, if the PD’s weren’t nice to their own students it may have been possible a lot of these grads may have gone unmatched.
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I have a feeling that when you show up to parties everyone there starts to leave...
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Academia is really the only place in the world where picking prestige over production doesn’t have terrible consequences. If Amazon only cared about recruiting coders and engineers from Ivy League schools they would go out of business.
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Its not a coincidence that the whole class matched in OK... 90% of our classes are from OK. People wanna stay around their families. OSU isnt like all the other DO schools (excluding a couple) who have a majority of the class coming from other states. People wanted to stay and so they did. OSU PDs favor OSU students. OSU has enough residency spots for almost 2x its amount of students. Its how it goes. There are 3rd years I know with over 10 pubs in top journals, and 250+ 700+ scores who will likely stay in oklahoma when they certainly could go elsewhere. Pretty ignorant to call a list weak when these students benefited from going to a DO school with the resources to keep their students home, and the students all got exactly what they wanted. Especially because the residencies at our hospital will all likely receive ACGME (most except for 2 already have). If every DO school could say this DO schools would have alot more respect.
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Lol tell that to all the people who matched into the exact program they wanted to. OSU recruits a different type of student than the schools whose match lists are above, of course the match list isn't going to look the same. It has nothing to do with the PDs "being nice" and everything to do with the mission of the school and the residency programs.
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What a matchlist doesn’t reflect is individual’s hopes and dreams and geographical ties. If a mid/lower tier program is someone’s #1 and he/she matched here, it’s a fantastic match. Not everyone wants to move across the country to train at JH/Harvard and risk dealing with personality like certain people we come across in this thread
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It can still be a great match while being an underwhelming match compared to other matches. They grow local and stay local, and it would appear to be a very good fit. Yes, it is not a "desirable" list - it's a pretty perfect list for the school tho
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Actually, that's false. EVERYONE wants to get into the top program at the top university and they're a failure if they don't. Nobody wants to do community health at a hospital they worked at as a teen or young adult with the physicians and nursing staff they've come to know and love.
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It's not necessarily a malicious question. Some interviewers legit just want to get to know you. A couple of those questions were a bit silly though.
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Honestly if you can't do otalarygonoligical surgery at the Ronald Reagan center why did you even go to med school?
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Excuse me, Miss....
This forum is for those of us that actually have a shot in the medical field.
Can someone show her to the kitchen, I think she's lost.
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Mainly so I could put my white coat pic on my bumble account - other than that I'm just kinda here, ya know?
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Just because the students got what they wanted, doesn't make the quality of the programs any better.
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Agree
But I suppose they should have disregarded what they wanted to please some random internet poster
See the way I look at programs I look at how their seniors are doing clinically, what kind of job offers they get and where they are going next. If I think I would be happy with the lowest offer/opportunity, that program is good enough for me. And not malignant.
Quality, is subjective on an individual level
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I never said anything about the quality of the programs. I said it was a perfect match list. Every DO school should strive to have a match list like OSU. Especially because most schools mission are to train physicians for a certain region. Difference is that for most DO schools its lip service and OSU provides the resources to actually back it up.
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If every med school thought this way, I wouldn't be in med school right now. Many people train in different areas b/c their areas have too many applicants for not enough medical schools and residencies to train them all. Other areas (like Oklahoma) have more resources than students to fill them all. And on top of that, which is why I say it's not a perfect match list, many people move to other areas to get the best training for residency they can get, then move back home to practice.
The notion that 2/3 of students are going to practice where they train for residency is going to dwindle in my opinion. That was decades ago where ppl didn't think about the match until 4th year and ppl applied to like 8 programs. Today it's completely different.
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What I think @MADD!!! is also getting at (or maybe it’s just my opinion) is there is a double standard going on here.
What can arguably be seen as a list of “non-prestigious, unimpressive” matches (I, for one, think it’s great they’re matching where they want and don’t care about the prestige stuff) is being praised by a few (namely @AnatomyGrey12, who attends the school and likes to critique other match lists) as a great match list because grads largely matched where they wanted and stayed in state/area (aligning with the school mission). However, somewhat ironically, said person (and others as well) regularly critiques/puts down other match lists for not having enough “impressive” matches at mid/top tier programs that he/she deems worthy, even though the majority of those grads are likely matching in their top 3 (they give breakdowns of this on several non-state DO schools sites), a lot of the time in their home state/area as well.
So, it would seem, a double standard being applied by some (namely one very vocal poster who enjoys critiquing match lists and debating what’s prestigious). There are other DO schools (non-state schools at that) that take majority/most of their students from in state and subsequently send most of them to in-state/area residency and/or one of individual’s top three preferred residency. It’s a double standard to call OSU’s list “perfect/great” because they accomplish this then sneer at other school’s lists (that also accomplish this feat, though not to “90%”) because they “only matched 2 in gen surg” or only sent 6 to mid/top tier programs.
And also want to echo what was said above. Some areas are more desirable and produce way more applicants/grads than others and sticking around for med school/residency isn’t as viable of an option for students/grads in these areas.
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Where is KCU's match list?
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I've never heard anyone ever bring up this sort of "compliment" about an MD match list. "90% of the students matched into uncompetitive specialties in uncompetitive programs... but at least most of them were able to stay in close proximity to the school! It's a perfect match list!"
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And now we wait.
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For starters, all of those programs already are, or will soon be ACGME accredited. Second, but it makes the quality of the list better. If you are looking for prestigious matches then no OSU’s doesn’t measure up. *shrug* when the guy who is a Hopkins/MGH type anesthesia applicant used his super star status to pick the exact program he wanted to go to I’m having a hard time critiquing his match. Same with the other 4th years I’m aware of.
I never sneered at another match list and no where in this thread have I been negative about a school’s match list.
In case anyone wanted to know @GSWfan15 is salty because in a completely different thread I told a pre-med poster to choose RVU over Western and part of that discussion (I had multiple reasons why that did NOT involve a match list) was I said I thought RVU’s match list was consistently better. This was definitely not even close to the bulk of my reasons why.
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Match Lists can help a little but for the most part they mean a hell of a lot less than people make them out to mean on here. Not everyone wants to be in the ivory tower in some super-competitive specialty. The vast majority of people at my school simply want to be a primary care doc or a community oriented specialist, at least from what some have told me. So while yes, impressive matches always look good, just because there's only 3 gen surg matches means next to nothing, as pointed out above. I know we all want all the info we can about our future prospects but I think we're looking in the wrong area to be completely honest. And everyone gets all mad about it.
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