Africa and Middle East 2019-2020 Sackler School of Medicine
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Dr.Acula57
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submitted 9/5, II 9/24, interview date 10/14! My friend applied a few days after me and received an II the same day as me and had her interview on 10/7! Super excited about the school!! Also they do not tell you that your application is complete. I emailed them and asked them and they responded that they had all of my materials and I got an II about an hour later. Good luck to everyone!!
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Thanks for the info. Just emailed. Hopefully will get back to me after the holiday. Thanks again! Keep us posted on how the interview went!
Dr.Acula57
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Interview was good! The building does not say the name of the school on the outside so I wasn't sure if I was in the right place but once you go through the first set of doors theres a little sign that says Sackler. The interviewer was very friendly. I had read online that the interview was very conversational and casual, but definitely be prepared to answer the typical interview questions. They also mentioned that no decisions are made until January/February, so now we just wait! Still my dream school so hopefully it went well! Good luck to everyone!
Has anyone asked them about how the new match rules will affect IMGs?
aussie2016
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Submitted the day applications opened, should I be worried that I have not heard back yet? I have emailed to make sure my application was complete and everything was received. Starting to worry
Same here, haven’t heard anything
Current 4th year chiming in. At over 14 interviews for residency at great places. If anyone has questions regarding Sackler, the experience in Israel, etc. feel free to PM.
But what about with the residency rules changing?
swanthumb898
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Sackler is weird but graduates from Sackler are not IMGs instead they are just like MD grads who attended a school in New York.
NY State Education Department’s Registered Programs – Sackler School of Medicine
www.sacklerschool.org
Unfortunately their tab to the New York letter seems to be down right now but I am almost positive they have special status.
same boat
I talked to my friend who recently graduated and they said that for the match, they are still considered IMGs...I'd look into that more before going.Sackler is weird but graduates from Sackler are not IMGs instead they are just like MD grads who attended a school in New York.
NY State Education Department’s Registered Programs – Sackler School of Medicine
Unfortunately their tab to the New York letter seems to be down right now but I am almost positive they have special status.
Edit: Check out what @Drwhip wrote on last year's Sackler thread (page 2). They were/are a current student (I believe) and go into what it means to be considered an IMG.
Edit: Accredited U.S. Programs | LCME - this has all of the LCME accredited programs. You'll see that Sackler isn't listed because it's not one of them. Also, Sackler was chartered by NY...not accredited by the LCME. Just because it was chartered by NY doesn't mean that it's not considered an IMG. Just because historically, Sackler students have matched, does NOT mean that will be the case after the new rules go into effect.
With the rules to the match changing in 2020 it's probably going to become harder to match as an IMG.
I began the application process to Sackler last year, but once I learned more about the changes that are going to happen regarding the match, I decided to retake the MCAT and apply to US MD schools this year instead. Of course, what's right for me may not be what's right for you. If you have more specific questions about this, @Goro, @gonnif, or others involved in the admissions process/advising might be able to provide more insight (or let me know if I'm totally off base here).
Good luck!!
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any of you got a complete email or any acknowledgment from them?
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how long did it take for them to email you saying they got everything? or you asked them and they replied to you? to the best of my knowledge, Sackler has pretty high gpa and mcat most compared to the majority of DO schools if iam correct
Hey sorry for late reply, I called them! But I called them like 10 times. As for their GPA and MCAT, I am not 100% certain, they dont have Harvard medical school stats but they also dont have low tier DO school stats. Honestly you would need to ask around as I cant find anything. My friend who got in had below average medical student stats but she has family in Israel knows Hebrew and also like me wants to do family doctor as her #1 choice. Honestly, class size is not bigger than 65 people so you must really want to go here to get in I would believe. Dont take my words for granted, I am only saying what I think.
Our class of 2023 had an average GPA of 3.5-3.6 and average MCAT of 509-510. 56 students.
are the majority of you Jews or have ties to Israel? I just want to go there because i know tel aviv University is world-famous
The majority are, but that is simply a function of the demographics of the applicant pool, rather than admissions requirements.
What is the application timeline for Sackler? Would I be late to just begin gathering & submitting now?
aussie2016
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Still no word from Sackler-- Anyone hear rejections or holds or anything about interviews lately? Or has it been quiet
I submitted in the first week when applications opened up but never heard from them...did anyone who applied in early September not hear back or receive any II?
Silence for me too
When did you submit? Did you contact them? Also do you mind sharing stats
aussie2016
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I submitted the week applications opened too. No word at all
When is the usual timeframe to hear back? Are you planning on contacting them
aussie2016
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I don't know if I should or not, I don't want to be annoying but I am getting kind of nervous
what are your stats/other acceptances? just want to compare for reference
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aussie2016
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I actually am not accepted anywhere else at the moment. I have very strong extracurriculars but weak GPA/MCAT.
ok lmk what happens when you call or hear back
aussie2016
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I emailed yesterday morning- Still no word.. Will keep you posted once I hear back
What do you mean by low gpa/low mcat?
I got an interview here a week or two ago! I managed to get a spot in December but only had one option as the rest of the month was filled up. They're definitely sending out interview invites!
I submitted my application in early November.
Thought I'd share to help anyone wondering - I completed my application end of September, received an II mid-October, and interviewed early November. I asked the doctor who interviewed me when the earliest acceptances are sent out and he said late-February to early March.
What is the average MCAT/GPA for Sackler? If I'm at LM score ~70 am I above or below average?
Re posting from last year:
Sackler is barely a real medical school. Resources are scarce since tuition $$ is siphoned to other programs. The administrators (all 2 of them) emphasize Hebrew classes (2 nights/ wk, 1.5 hours each) and role-playing designed to foster "empathy" and other soft skills above actual medicine. Policies are invented and changed at will. At the beginning of 3rd year they surprise you with a "release of liability" form to protect them from lawsuits. You must sign it if you want to continue your studies. Faculty and staff never took the American boards so they cant offer guidance. When students enter the hospital in 3rd year they discover their basic Hebrew is useless, which makes patient interaction difficult and chart review impossible. It hardly matters: While American students are managing patients, Sackler students sit through endless hours of powerpoint presentations at the hospital and might see only 1 or 2 patients / day as a group. This makes Step 2CS far more difficult, time-consuming, and stressful then it ought to be. 2 years ago almost a quarter of the class failed CS. By contrast American students have a 96% pass rate. Students dont learn the basic skills of note writing, patient management and presentation that they need to pass the exam or to compete with American students during their 4th year electives. Speaking of which, Sackler doesn't help with placement in electives and many American hospitals don't offer them to international students. So students spend hours-and-hours searching and applying for them while studying for Step 2 CS and CK, and shelf exams in surgery and Ob/ Gyn for which Sackler sets a minimum passing score above most US programs. Throughout it all students are mystified to find an administration that is condescending and antagonistic. Most students do end up matching in the end, but a few don't, and many (15-20% in recent years) need an extra year to do it.
I'd like to address this point...
Sackler is barely a real medical school. Resources are scarce since tuition $$ is siphoned to other programs. The administrators (all 2 of them) emphasize Hebrew classes (2 nights/ wk, 1.5 hours each) and role-playing designed to foster "empathy" and other soft skills above actual medicine. Policies are invented and changed at will. At the beginning of 3rd year they surprise you with a "release of liability" form to protect them from lawsuits. You must sign it if you want to continue your studies. Faculty and staff never took the American boards so they cant offer guidance. When students enter the hospital in 3rd year they discover their basic Hebrew is useless, which makes patient interaction difficult and chart review impossible. It hardly matters: While American students are managing patients, Sackler students sit through endless hours of powerpoint presentations at the hospital and might see only 1 or 2 patients / day as a group. This makes Step 2CS far more difficult, time-consuming, and stressful then it ought to be. 2 years ago almost a quarter of the class failed CS. By contrast American students have a 96% pass rate. Students dont learn the basic skills of note writing, patient management and presentation that they need to pass the exam or to compete with American students during their 4th year electives. Speaking of which, Sackler doesn't help with placement in electives and many American hospitals don't offer them to international students. So students spend hours-and-hours searching and applying for them while studying for Step 2 CS and CK, and shelf exams in surgery and Ob/ Gyn for which Sackler sets a minimum passing score above most US programs. Throughout it all students are mystified to find an administration that is condescending and antagonistic. Most students do end up matching in the end, but a few don't, and many (15-20% in recent years) need an extra year to do it.
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swanthumb898
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Submitted early September. II today
For those of you who applied in September are there any of you that haven't heard back at all yet
aussie2016
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I haven't
angiogram36
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Interviewed in October and still no response. I believe they said they will notify us on Feb!
57 matches in 2019 = 100% of students who applied for the US match. An additional 4 students decided to stay in Israel for residency.
Each class starts with 63.
2013 - 47 US/ Canada matches
2014 - 56
2015 - 45
2016 - 68
2017 - 59
2018 - 49*
2019 - 57*
2020 - ?March 20th?
86% of matriculates have matched into US/ Canadian residency programs over the past 7 years.** Keep in mind that this is the total US match rate. The 4-year match rate is significantly lower than this. Up to 20% of students in recent years take an extra year for research, for further board exam prep, or for exam failure.
*Excludes students who matriculated with the classes of '18 and '19 and are expected to enter the match next year with the class of '20.
**Excludes the small number of students who forego the match each year to do residency in Israel.
Each class starts with 63.
2013 - 47 US/ Canada matches
2014 - 56
2015 - 45
2016 - 68
2017 - 59
2018 - 49*
2019 - 57*
2020 - ?March 20th?
86% of matriculates have matched into US/ Canadian residency programs over the past 7 years.** Keep in mind that this is the total US match rate. The 4-year match rate is significantly lower than this. Up to 20% of students in recent years take an extra year for research, for further board exam prep, or for exam failure.
*Excludes students who matriculated with the classes of '18 and '19 and are expected to enter the match next year with the class of '20.
**Excludes the small number of students who forego the match each year to do residency in Israel.
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66 students will enter the match as the class of 2020.
The original class of 2020 had 63 students. 2 students left the class in the 1st year. 1 failed exams and 1 more left for personal reasons. 2 more took an extra year after 2nd year to prepare for Step 1. 6 more left after 3rd year, 1 failed an exam, and 6 left to do research. In total, 52 of the original 63 members of the original class of 2020 remain eligible for this year's match.
17 students from the original classes of '18 and '19 joined class of '20. This is an unusually large number! The reasons for graduating late vary. Some took a research year. Others needed more time to prepare for exams. Several failed exams and returned the following year. Of these 16 students, 1 failed out entirely. 1 was suspended. 1 failed a rotation. The remaining 13 are eligible to match with the 53 from the original class of 2020.
I will post this year's match results and statistics at the end of March.
The original class of 2020 had 63 students. 2 students left the class in the 1st year. 1 failed exams and 1 more left for personal reasons. 2 more took an extra year after 2nd year to prepare for Step 1. 6 more left after 3rd year, 1 failed an exam, and 6 left to do research. In total, 52 of the original 63 members of the original class of 2020 remain eligible for this year's match.
17 students from the original classes of '18 and '19 joined class of '20. This is an unusually large number! The reasons for graduating late vary. Some took a research year. Others needed more time to prepare for exams. Several failed exams and returned the following year. Of these 16 students, 1 failed out entirely. 1 was suspended. 1 failed a rotation. The remaining 13 are eligible to match with the 53 from the original class of 2020.
I will post this year's match results and statistics at the end of March.
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I hope to clear up the confusion on this issue. For everything that matters--including 4th year elective and residency applications--you will not be considered "in-state." Sackler students officially have International Medical Graduate ("IMG") status. This means we apply for electives and residency separately from US students. In 4th year we apply to the Electronic Residency Application Service (ERAS) via the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG). As a result Sackler outcomes in obtaining residency spots track more closely with other US IMG programs (Caribbean/ MSIH/ Technion/ etc.), whose outcomes are generally better than non-US citizen, foreign applicants ("FMG"), but are not on par with US MDs.
To better understand what these differences mean I added links below that show how all three categories fared in the 2018 residency match. You can use them to compare the average Step 1 scores for successful applicants to a given specialty. For instance, about 95% of US graduates who scored 210 on Step 1 successfully matched into internal medicine programs last year. Compare that to 45% of US IMGs who matched with the same score and only 30% of FMGs who did as well (*see p 86). To get the same 95% chance of acceptance as a US MD with a 210, a US IMG needed to score 45 points higher, or 255 (**see p 114)--that's a huge difference!
*Match stats for US MDs (see p 86):
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Charting-Outcomes-in-the-Match-2018-Seniors.pdf
**And for US IMGs and non-US citizens, aka "FMGs" (see p 114):
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Charting-Outcomes-in-the-Match-2018-IMGs.pdf
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angiogram36
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Are Sackler students considered IMG's even for NY residencies?
Yes.
angiogram36
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@Drwhip what are your thoughts now that Step 1 is P/F ?
It benefits students from prestige programs. It also makes your Step 2CK score more significant.
USMLE Step 1 pass/fail winners and losers
Changing Step 1 to a pass/fail exam is one of the biggest shifts in medical education in the past three decades. Who wins? Who loses?
www.kevinmd.com
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