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You troglodyte, you caught it before I edited.but what about nEUro?
Edit: although to be fair, I make spelling errors on SDN fairly regularly.
You troglodyte, you caught it before I edited.but what about nEUro?
Even after all these years underground, my vision is still intactYou troglodyte, you caught it before I edited.
Edit: although to be fair, I make spelling errors on SDN fairly regularly.
This feels like a necro bump at this point. That is a really late list.VCOM match list
Residency Match Locations | VCOM - The Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine
Select the column header to sort by location, specialty, type, city or state.www.vcom.edu
Auburn inaugural match list have 5 ortho, 1 plastic surgery, 1 DR, 9 GS, and plenty of University programs. Not bad.VCOM Auburn's inaugural match right? Interesting..
Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me
Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me
if you look at kcu website of ortho residencies, the St. Luke's Des Peres Hospital is closing, but the St. Mary's one is still open. The first year residents, 2/3 of are KCU grads so that's neat. But, the rest of the PGY years, none of them are from KCU. So I have to concur with the above that it doesn't really matter where you go. If you go to KCU, it might be easier to get audition rotations, however.
Residency
Kansas City University of Medicine’s College of Osteopathic’s graduates are highly sought after and are historically successful in securing a residency Match.www.kcumb.edu
^ In addition to above, we have a ton of people who come in die hard ortho then magically change their minds once they have experience (and scores) back. Don't necessarily pick a school based on specialty choice because it will change many times
I would buff up your app and reapply to US MD. The days of matching ortho as a DO are dwindling. In 4-5 years I think it’s quite logical to predict it to be near non-existentI get that, 100%. Was more so just going to ask what they got involved with and what they felt were the most beneficial experiences at KCU for getting into a top-tier specialty. I figured I’d shoot for ortho now and see where I land as classes progress (and my interests)
I would buff up your app and reapply to US MD. The days of matching ortho as a DO are dwindling. In 4-5 years I think it’s quite logical to predict it to be near non-existent
That’s just silly. Nearly all of the AOA ortho programs were able to convert and some were able to increase spots too. Def harder than it was in the AOA match days but DOs will still be matching ortho for years to come. These programs have mostly DO PDs and don’t take any applicant seriously that doesn’t audition.I would buff up your app and reapply to US MD. The days of matching ortho as a DO are dwindling. In 4-5 years I think it’s quite logical to predict it to be near non-existent
Nothing silly about it. I know 4-5 of those programs personally who have filled solely with MD applicants last cycle and this cycle aren’t interviewing DOs. Also, I have close friends this cycle applying ortho with crazy stats who have ZERO invitesThat’s just silly. Nearly all of the AOA ortho programs were able to convert and some were able to increase spots too. Def harder than it was in the AOA match days but DOs will still be matching ortho for years to come. These programs have mostly DO PDs and don’t take any applicant seriously that doesn’t audition.
I would buff up your app and reapply to US MD. The days of matching ortho as a DO are dwindling. In 4-5 years I think it’s quite logical to predict it to be near non-existent
Nothing silly about it. I know 4-5 of those programs personally who have filled solely with MD applicants last cycle and this cycle aren’t interviewing DOs. Also, I have close friends this cycle applying ortho with crazy stats who have ZERO invites
You have no idea what you’re talking about
That’s just silly. Nearly all of the AOA ortho programs were able to convert and some were able to increase spots too. Def harder than it was in the AOA match days but DOs will still be matching ortho for years to come. These programs have mostly DO PDs and don’t take any applicant seriously that doesn’t audition.
What intere$t$ you $o much about Ortho?Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me
What intere$t$ you $o much about Ortho?
I would recommend you being open minded first 2 years, get your board scores back first, and then decide if ortho is right for you.
But KCU has a very good anatomy fellowship with a lot of research projects that people serious about ortho/gensurg participate in. That will be your best bet.
Considering I have 2 ortho DO PD relatives I doLol
Might have something to do with the fact that most of the DO places haven’t sent out invites yet...
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Will ortho still be an uphill battle and get even harder with the influx of increased candidates? Yes. Non-existent? Lmao, that's just ignorance of how the DO ortho world works.
I get that, 100%. Was more so just going to ask what they got involved with and what they felt were the most beneficial experiences at KCU for getting into a top-tier specialty. I figured I’d shoot for ortho now and see where I land as classes progress (and my interests)
Sadly in our screwed up system if you’re not gunning for ortho in preclinical and trying to get some pubs, you’re behind by the time you hit third year.What intere$t$ you $o much about Ortho?
I would recommend you being open minded first 2 years, get your board scores back first, and then decide if ortho is right for you.
But KCU has a very good anatomy fellowship with a lot of research projects that people serious about ortho/gensurg participate in. That will be your best bet.
You mean you don't have SSP, 700+/250+, and 6 "pubs" (all in the school research journal)?Sadly in our screwed up system if you’re not gunning for ortho in preclinical and trying to get some pubs, you’re behind by the time you hit third year.
Just to add some real world complexity to this—- it may still be easier to match Ortho as a DO vs MD. How? DO Ortho PD’s still value audition rotations and your personality much higher than scores. So if you meet a certain cut-off (like 550-600 level 1 and 230+ step 1) you may still have a shot as a DO when in MD world with a 230s step 1 score your chances are significantly less in the MD world.
These things rarely get talked about on SDN, but there’s more than 1 strategy to getting to your goal.
Edit: maybe easier isn’t the best term, but rather if you’re not the strongest standardized test taker.
Any idea how the one dude matched UConn ortho last year? I know he killed boards but any idea how many interviews he got to feel comfortable skipping the AOA match?KCU has a name going for itself because we have so many grads in so many specialties in so many locations that programs would probably feel comfortable taking from a known name.
For ortho specifically, 2/3 in the current class are from KCU. Applications for audition rotations specifically for that program do in fact ask "why do you wish to rotate here" in which coming from KCU can be a plus since you can say you're from the area and you know the people in that class.
But KCU isn't special in that regard as I am sure there are a good amount of other DO schools that have ties to smaller ortho programs that are now ACGME accred but will continue looking for DO applicants. It's so hard to say with generalization if all these programs will start trickling in some MD people as well now that they will actually have those apps potentially submitted. But doubt even if that occurs that many competitive MD ortho applicants are going to be ranking highly (if at all) these tiny places since many want to continue specializing in a particular field.
Don't expect a bite from MD ortho even with exceptional grades because there's so much more that goes on with getting into those programs (both academics and politics/prestige) that any DO applicant really understands. Do not expect anything going for ortho and do plan for backup. Doesn't matter what DO school you go to. I know of one person that did a ton of research at a KU-w with literally the highest scores in our class and running circles around others in auditions there. He did not receive an interview despite all that. Again, don't expect anything.
Any idea how the one dude matched UConn ortho last year? I know he killed boards but any idea how many interviews he got to feel comfortable skipping the AOA match?
Do MD!Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me
Same thing in ent, the PD is changed to an MD.It will only get harder for DO’s. Yea maybe the PD’s are DO’s, but I’ve already seen one PD for Urology out and replaced with an MD and the residency is all filled with MD’s. (Former AOA program)
Please don’t give advice about the match or the current residency application environment especially when you are a MS III or lower.
Just to add some real world complexity to this—- it may still be easier to match Ortho as a DO vs MD. How? DO Ortho PD’s still value audition rotations and your personality much higher than scores. So if you meet a certain cut-off (like 550-600 level 1 and 230+ step 1) you may still have a shot as a DO when in MD world with a 230s step 1 score your chances are significantly less in the MD world.
These things rarely get talked about on SDN, but there’s more than 1 strategy to getting to your goal.
Edit: maybe easier isn’t the best term, but rather if you’re not the strongest standardized test taker.
Considering I have 2 ortho DO PD relatives I do
Its hard to tell because there is no data right now to show COMLEX data trends to match rate specifically for DO applicants applying to AOA ortho. Yes a high score doesn’t hurt — but I talked to the PD at my schools ortho directly and he said (along with other PD’s he said too) that they really won’t rank ppl unless they’ve done auditions with them personally, and at that point they want to see how well you work, get along with everyone else, etc.10 years ago or so that was actually the case. Now that is far from the truth. The match rate to DO ortho is around 50% if not lower. You are right that a non-700 COMLEX doesn’t mean you are out of the game, but for every one Jay matches with a 570 there are 5 that don’t. Honestly that kinda plays true regardless of score bracket, but a high score will never hurt you.
Cool. You aren’t the only one here with above average knowledge about this... your comments are simply wrong.
And you might say 10 years ago that was true, but I can tell you at my school the same PD’s have been here for ortho and Surg for probably 10 years or longer.
It’s definitely gonna be interesting. On the one hand there’s more competition from the sheer number of applicants. On the other hand, I’m guessing a not insignificant portion of those applicants think that just being a chill dude/dudette on an audition will get them the spot over the high-scoring, well published super star who is also chill on an audition.It doesn’t matter at all who the PDs are. 10 years ago it was about a 1.3 applicant to spot ratio, now it’s roughly 2.3 to a spot. The DO ortho match is a bloodbath now.
It’s definitely gonna be interesting. On the one hand there’s more competition from the sheer number of applicants. On the other hand, I’m guessing a not insignificant portion of those applicants think that just being a chill dude/dudette on an audition will get them the spot over the high-scoring, well published super star who is also chill on an audition.
And who knows, maybe that will hold up?Because the folks neurotic enough to be legit ortho applicants weren’t learning about the merger for the first time during preclinical like half of our classmates. They’ve been preparing for this storm before it was on most people’s radar. So maybe rockstars like you will have more success on the MD side of things opening up spots for the weaker applicants.
Literally no one knows. There’s just not enough data for anything but a good guess. This is gonna be the craziest match in DO history.
Pick the cheapest one with the curriculum that will work best for you to succeed.
Realistically, the DO school you graduate from has little to do with how you match, except in that the region you go to school is more likely to be the region you match/get interviews, and as others have said certain school curricula can make it harder for you to study independently for boards.
EDIT: So I will say that if you are concerned with being a marginal student, one of the biggest advantages a school can offer you is affiliated GME, and rotations at said GME in 3rd year. People hire who they know, and if you rotate through a residency program and impress people that can trump a marginal board score.
I have 8 interviews to DO programs right now so I'm gonna have some decisions to make. Excuse my ignorance but what is the point of paying attention to a school's match list (and making this thread) if it doesn't matter? I've been told by some people that its something you should really look for.
I have 8 interviews to DO programs right now so I'm gonna have some decisions to make. Excuse my ignorance but what is the point of paying attention to a school's match list (and making this thread) if it doesn't matter? I've been told by some people that its something you should really look for.
I have 8 interviews to DO programs right now so I'm gonna have some decisions to make. Excuse my ignorance but what is the point of paying attention to a school's match list (and making this thread) if it doesn't matter? I've been told by some people that its something you should really look for.
You should look for trends. Schools that match people to certain programs year over year are, obviously, known to those programs.
Another note to importance of match trends. Not just where the last class matched.
How the people above you performed intern year is important.
One intern at my site graduated from my school. No previous residents from my specific school. Apparently has been an absolute dud on the wards. I find it pretty unlikely they are going to rank to match anybody from my school for this residency.
Another note to importance of match trends. Not just where the last class matched.
How the people above you performed intern year is important.
One intern at my site graduated from my school. No previous residents from my specific school. Apparently has been an absolute dud on the wards. I find it pretty unlikely they are going to rank to match anybody from my school for this residency.
Chill out on calling an intern a dud. Intern year just started three months ago.
Considering the fact that you will never get access to reliable information about resident performance, your post is pretty strange. And come on, you are calling someone out based on what? Your interactions with them and people who have nothing better to do than talk **** about interns? You are not their residency PD or faculty member and I doubt you know the faculty well enough for them to speak ill of a fresh resident in front of you.
So I was asking a chief resident of a categorical program about this one DO intern they had. They had them for their first call shift on the service (literally kid has never stepped on the wards here), and they were like, that kid was pretty poor. They really didn't ask enough or pertinent HPI stuff. I had to remind the chief what we were like intern year. All interns are terrible in the beginning. You spend maybe 5 mos with your brained turned off coasting through M4, then get dropped in a new system with no idea what you're doing.
As of now (4 mos in), that intern is solidly in the middle or a bit above the middle of the pack of the intern class. There is a steep learning curve, and most people adjust, but it takes time, especially if a lot of your early rotations are off-service rotations.
As far as the value of match lists go, it gives you an idea if there is a specific program you're interested in, but more than anything, these lists serve to give us hope that DOs aren't matching poorly and continue to match in varied specialities. Match lists aren't super high on the priority list for choosing schools, unless you want a very specific program or a lot of people aren't placing or are just getting intern years.
Absolutely. Come March/April many DO schools state on their social media that they " had 100% placement for residency" which is great, everyone has jobs. But it's important to know what percent of those jobs are 1-year prelim/TRI (excluding those matching to advanced spots) which can help gauge performance at a school if there is a CONSISTENT percentage of students entering this type of match for post-grad.
You’d be suprised actually. KCU had a acgme Derm a few years back that your never know about based on their match list bc it was just listed as a prelim. There’s even an Ophtho match this year that isn’t our the current match list.Yup. Pro tips to all the MS III and lower kids out there especially if you're looking for no placement rate:
Look at the number of spots for 1-year prelim/TRI. That's the real no placement rate right there bc I guarantee you that if some of those kids are legit matches for Opthal or Derm, they would be listed in the Derm or Opthal section instead.
Quite frustrating this school doesn't actually list an accurate match list. Yet they can write "University of Chicago - Internal Medicine" when in fact it was not UC, it was an affiliate of UC...You’d be suprised actually. KCU had a acgme Derm a few years back that your never know about based on their match list bc it was just listed as a prelim. There’s even an Ophtho match this year that isn’t our the current match list.