2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

[wpneuro]

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Consider applying DO. Ive worked with both MD’s and DO’s, and I have noticed about 0 clinical difference in primary care and emergency settings. Obviously if you want to practice in a competitive specialty like neurosurg, ophthalmol, derm, MD would be the right path. But otherwise, you should at least give it thought. Every DO school i interviewed at gave me a definitive decision in 2-4 weeks after my Easter egg hunt. I feel that the MD cycle is unnecessarily grueling and treacherous because they want to make it this way. It certainly doesnt have to be this way. Making students wait for nearly a year to find out the future of their career? Gimme a break lol. Also taking this opportunity to vent 🙂

edit: not sure why easter egg hunt got thrown into my post lol. Am i not allowed to say the word in***view?

Ah, SDN's got its funny on for April F**l's 😂 No more in***views and w**tlists, bless up. Interviews and waitlist only

 

[eartharte]

i was so confused why everyone was talking about easter eggs

 

[NoEyeEyeGuy]

Consider applying DO. Ive worked with both MD’s and DO’s, and I have noticed about 0 clinical difference in primary care and emergency settings. Obviously if you want to practice in a competitive specialty like neurosurg, ophthalmol, derm, MD would be the right path. But otherwise, you should at least give it thought. Every DO school i interviewed at gave me a definitive decision in 2-4 weeks after my Easter egg hunt. I feel that the MD cycle is unnecessarily grueling and treacherous because they want to make it this way. It certainly doesnt have to be this way. Making students wait for nearly a year to find out the future of their career? Gimme a break lol. Also taking this opportunity to vent 🙂

edit: not sure why easter egg hunt got thrown into my post lol. Am i not allowed to say the word in***view?

i hear you. but the only two DO schools I applied to this cycle, neither have gotten back to me. Rowan and pcom to be exact.

 

[studentdoctor111111111111]

Is anyone else in the situation where their roommate has been accepted to med school (my dream school actually lol) while they are sitting on hold elsewhere?? I'm very happy for them but seeing them wear the school apparel around the apartment is just a little too much some days :')

 

[NoEyeEyeGuy]

Is anybunny else in the situation where their roommate has been accepted to Easter basket (my dream school actually lol) while they are sitting on hold elsewhere?? I'm very happy for them but seeing them wear the school apparel around the apartment is just a little too much some days :')

which school? sdn is being annoying with the april fools stuff and changing names to easter basket.

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

So that AAMC Recommendations for Applicants email is an April Fool's joke, right? It is the applicants' responsibility - not the central oversight entity that collects a fee for administration of the application service- to ensure timely notification of application outcome?

 

[FluffyCat1212]

Honestly, can we keep this as the "purgatory" support thread? The name is just so fitting...

 

[0rion]

So that AAMC Recommendations for Peeps email is an Easter's joke, right? It is the Peeps' responsibility - not the central oversight entity that collects a fee for administration of the Easter egg collection service- to ensure timely notification of Easter egg collection outcome?

Honestly, I have no idea if I would even have an answer for your question. I'm just commenting to make note that this comment is near impossible to interpret with this little joke SDN is playing. I thought I was having a stroke while reading some of these comments lol.

 

[armaragon]

Honestly, I have no idea if I would even have an answer for your question. I'm just commenting to make note that this comment is near impossible to interpret with this little joke SDN is playing. I thought I was having a stroke while reading some of these comments lol.

It was funny at first, now it's extremely annoying to read. There should be an option to turn it off..

 

[Hello_There_117]

Is anybunny else in the situation where their roommate has been accepted to Easter basket (my dream school actually lol) while they are sitting on hold elsewhere?? I'm very happy for them but seeing them wear the school apparel around the apartment is just a little too much some days :')

Along the similar line, my brother got accepted to his top choice medical school and I have nothing but wait lists. I am of course immensely proud to have been part of his journey and to help him achieve his dreams but it stings a little to be in the same group of friends and to have as my response when they ask "when I'm getting accepted" or " you're next, I know it" and my response is "I have no idea and I wish I knew". I hope this purgatory is over soon and we all can accomplish what we've worked so hard for and can see the light at the end of this very dark tunnel.

 

[dxvxz35]

Does anyone know what WL movement is like with Indiana?

 

[happythoughtss]

anyone know about movement at Campbell?

 

[0rion]

Was looking at a thread earlier and there was a dude that had 15 MD A's. Insane. Should I message him and ask how difficult it was curing cancer?

In all seriousness though, hopefully these high stat applicants are all holding a similar amount of A's so us WL plebs can start moving up in the world during the next month.

 

[TheDirtiestDiaper]

Just got the email, 2 MD II --> 2 WL. At least I'm in good company.

 

[Putkernerinthehall]

Was looking at a thread earlier and there was a dude that had 15 MD A's. Insane. Should I message him and ask how difficult it was curing cancer?

In all seriousness though, hopefully these high stat Peeps are all holding a similar amount of A's so us purgatory plebs can start moving up in the world during the next month.

Yep, he can only fill one seat! That's 14 people coming off the waitlists as soon as he starts dropping them 😉

 

[NoEyeEyeGuy]

That's not 14 coming off the purgatory. Schools are in attrition period right now from overacceptance.

can you explain more ? new to this

 

[NoEyeEyeGuy]

can you explain more ? new to this

never mind i see what you mean. you mean they over accepted to begin with, so they need to go below the number in the class size to go to the WL's

 

[KnightDoc]

Was looking at a thread earlier and there was a dude that had 15 MD A's. Insane. Should I message him and ask how difficult it was curing cancer?

In all seriousness though, hopefully these high stat Peeps are all holding a similar amount of A's so us purgatory plebs can start moving up in the world during the next month.

There will be significant movement in the next month, but that is a total outlier. Keep in mind that only half of the 40% with As have more than one. Half of those have 2, and it goes down progressively from there.

There are only a literal handful of people in the country with more than 10 As (maybe two or three dozen out of 21,000). The vast majority of movement will come from the 10,000 or so people with 2, 3, or 4 As having to reduce to one, not from 30 something people dropping 10 or more As.

 

[Putkernerinthehall]

That's not 14 coming off the purgatory. Schools are in attrition period right now from overacceptance.

Yeah, my bad. Wasn't thinking. Got to get through the abundance of over-acceptances first.

 

[ilovelisa]

Does anyone know about waitlist movement at SLU?

 

[gomdoliborae]

Are we expecting that the waitlist movement this year will be about the same as previous years since a lot of schools have over-accepted students?

 

[Julatteluver]

Are we expecting that the waitlist movement this year will be about the same as previous years since a lot of schools have over-accepted students?

Schools always over-accept I think. It’s just what they do, I think waitlist movement will be pretty much the same, maybe larger for some schools and smaller for other

 

[KnightDoc]

Schools always over-accept I think. It’s just what they do, I think waitlist movement will be pretty much the same, maybe larger for some schools and smaller for other

Yup! The speculation has been that schools might have been a little more conservative with initial As this year, on the theory that top applicants MIGHT be hoarding As this year, since nothing stopped them from taking virtual IIs that they might have turned down in years past due to the time and expense of attending live IIs, but nobody knows for sure.

If true, and top applicants are, in fact, hoarding more As than in years past, that should lead to more WL movement. All will be revealed in the next month or so.

 

[snoo98]

realistically, how likely is it to have to reapply with 4 WLs --> 0 As? I know it is variable depending on the school but I am plagued with anxiety 🙁

 

[Earthworm Slim]

realistically, how likely is it to have to reapply with 4 WLs --> 0 As? I know it is variable depending on the school but I am plagued with anxiety 🙁

I don’t know if this will placate your anxiety but your chance of getting off a WL is better than those with 0, 1, 2, or 3 WL and 0 As.

 

[Flareicus]

realistically, how likely is it to have to reapply with 4 WLs --> 0 As? I know it is variable depending on the school but I am plagued with anxiety 🙁

Honestly, depends on the WL movement of the schools. If you have 4 low movement waitlists, then I would seriously focus on my reapplication plans.

 

[bodynotfondofcoffee]

Honestly, depends on the WL movement of the schools. If you have 4 low movement waitlists, then I would seriously focus on my reapplication plans.

is there an "easy" way of finding out which schools have low movement waitlists?

 

[Julatteluver]

is there an "easy" way of finding out which schools have low movement waitlists?

There are some schools that have no movements historially, usually top tier schools and others like Rush, EVMS (for IS) etc etc. if the school also has a separate high priority waitlist, then reg waitlist wont have much movement. Best/easiest way is to read thru previous threads

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

There are some schools that have no movements historially, usually top tier schools and others like Rush, EVMS (for IS) etc etc. if the school also has a separate high priority waitlist, then reg waitlist wont have much movement. Best/easiest way is to read thru previous threads

Where are you getting that zero IS EVMS WL movement from? Past threads - and even this year IIRC - have decent, albeit less than OOS, in-state WL movement

 

[Julatteluver]

Where are you getting that zero IS EVMS WL movement from? Past threads - and even this year IIRC - have decent, albeit less than OOS, in-state WL movement

Oh yea, didn’t mean to say there is zero movement for EVMS, but I heard a LOT of top third waitlisted OOS applicants get in (even middle tier WL) while way less IS students get in. Ofc i dont know how much less but i hear the movement is just significantly less than OOS due to costs and all.

edit; if you are top third, then i believe you still have a plausible chance for both IS and OOS

 

[Flareicus]

is there an "easy" way of finding out which schools have low movement waitlists?

Combination of past sdn threads and looking at provided MSAR info.

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

Oh yea, didn’t mean to say there is zero movement for EVMS, but I heard a LOT of top third waitlisted OOS applicants get in (even middle tier WL) while way less IS students get in. Ofc i dont know how much less but i hear the movement is just significantly less than OOS due to costs and all.

edit; if you are top third, then i believe you still have a plausible chance for both IS and OOS

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that makes total sense!

 

[Flavio_Flores]

Hey guys! What do you suggest is the best time to send a letter of intent after a wait-list? I have been wait-listed since December (they call it an alternate list, but I assume it's the same thing), and I have already sent a letter of interest + an update.

 

[NoEyeEyeGuy]

Hey guys! What do you suggest is the best time to send a letter of intent after a wait-list? I have been wait-listed since December (they call it an alternate list, but I assume it's the same thing), and I have already sent a letter of interest + an update.

Is the school typically receptive to letters of intent and updates? some schools do not want any additional materials, so just be sure of that before sending (I am sure you already have, but just want to be sure.)

 

[Hello_There_117]

Agreed, I have already sent mine to my top choice back in early March.

 

[bigsgr]

2/3 WL. Pending one school decision but they're not great with communication. Was told that I'm high on the WL for one and that in prior cycles, ppl in my tier/rank come off early May, but who knows what to expect with COVID. Have you guys decided/established a date/timeframe when you're gonna start actually reapplying (like start writing your primary and what not)?

 

[Talldoctor96]

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2/3 WL. Pending one school decision but they're not great with communication. Was told that I'm high on the WL for one and that in prior cycles, ppl in my tier/rank come off early May, but who knows what to expect with COVID. Have you guys decided/established a date/timeframe when you're gonna start actually reapplying (like start writing your primary and what not)?

You should honestly already be doing that. The time has come.

 

[bigsgr]

You should honestly already be doing that. The time has come.

Appreciate the honest answer!

 

[bigsgr]

Do you guys also think there will be more/less/same WL movement in comparison to prior cycles?

 

[Hello_There_117]

You should honestly already be doing that. The time has come.

I also had a question along these lines. How much of the PS should be changed? I think with 5 II out of 12 schools I had a good PS and my advisors also told me it had a compelling story so I'm not certain how to change the PS.

 

[0rion]

Do you guys also think there will be more/less/same WL movement in comparison to prior cycles?

Based on neurotically checking around here and asking the same question for about a month now, people don’t really know, but there is no actual evidence of being less WL movement...so we’ll see

Edit: this comment was supposed to allude to “I think WL movement will be the same as what we usually see”

 

[golfnerd]

I also had a question along these lines. How much of the PS should be changed? I think with 5 II out of 12 schools I had a good PS and my advisors also told me it had a compelling story so I'm not certain how to change the PS.

I wouldn’t change it. you can’t drastically change your why medicine answer imo. maybe just a few tweaks, have some fresh eyes look at it, etc but don’t completely overhaul it

 

[bigsgr]

I wouldn’t change it. you can’t drastically change your why medicine answer imo. maybe just a few tweaks, have some fresh eyes look at it, etc but don’t completely overhaul it

ya a friend did this who was WL @ 2 schools with minimal movement last cycle... this cycle he had 9 IIs and like 7As..

 

[daileyy]

Hey y'all, how can I figure out if a school is open to accepting letters of intent? I'm on one waitlist with no acceptances, and I'm dreading the idea of reapplying, so I want to do anything I can to improve my chances of getting off this WL. On the school's website, they state that "after December 1, the only permitted updates are thank you letters and unofficial grade reports." I previously assumed this meant they wouldn't accept letters of interest/intent after 12/1. But, I was looking through past threads for the school and saw that people submitted letters of intent in the spring. Do y'all think they're currently accepting letters of intent or is it more likely that they changed the policy before this application cycle?

 

[bigsgr]

Hey y'all, how can I figure out if a school is open to accepting letters of intent? I'm on one waitlist with no acceptances, and I'm dreading the idea of reapplying, so I want to do anything I can to improve my chances of getting off this WL. On the school's website, they state that "after December 1, the only permitted updates are thank you letters and unofficial grade reports." I previously assumed this meant they wouldn't accept letters of interest/intent after 12/1. But, I was looking through past threads for the school and saw that people submitted letters of intent in the spring. Do y'all think they're currently accepting letters of intent or is it more likely that they changed the policy before this application cycle?

ya don't do it. follow the instructions they give

 

[Flareicus]

Hey y'all, how can I figure out if a school is open to accepting letters of intent? I'm on one waitlist with no acceptances, and I'm dreading the idea of reapplying, so I want to do anything I can to improve my chances of getting off this WL. On the school's website, they state that "after December 1, the only permitted updates are thank you letters and unofficial grade reports." I previously assumed this meant they wouldn't accept letters of interest/intent after 12/1. But, I was looking through past threads for the school and saw that people submitted letters of intent in the spring. Do y'all think they're currently accepting letters of intent or is it more likely that they changed the policy before this application cycle?

If the school has a clear statement like that, you are much more likely to hurt your chances by sending a LOI.

 

[Bill Haas]

In situations like this, don't send anything.

Just call once in two weeks and politely:
1. Introduce yourself
2. Ask about waitlist movement
3. Tell them about how much you would like to attend their school

Keep praying !

 

[deleted932967]

In situations like this, don't send anything.

Just call once in two weeks and politely:
1. Introduce yourself
2. Ask about waitlist movement
3. Tell them about how much you would like to attend their school

Keep praying !

What is a good way to politely ask about waitlist movement without sounding pushy or desperate?

 

[Bill Haas]

What is a good way to politely ask about waitlist movement without sounding pushy or desperate?

I guess, what I meant was, be calm.
And if you have more than one question, write them down before calling -- so that you are mentally ready.

 

[armaragon]

Yo can it hurry up and be April 30th already so I can have some more will to live? Thanks.