2020-2021 Waitlist Support Thread

[DilNyethescienceguy]

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To protect themselves. It gives them the safety net if somehow a significatly higher bunch of their accepted candidates turn down their positions.

Right, they should absolutely be afforded that degree of protection but there is a difference between protection and keeping around half your interviewee pool

 

[KnightDoc]

The only way a school can tell an applicant where they are are on a waitlist is if they have a ranked list.
Most schools choose an un-ranked list because they need the flexibility to re-balance a class (if possible) as there is no way to know who is coming and who is not.

I know at least one school that breaks its list into 6 tiers, which allows it some flexibility while still providing transparency to applicants.

 

[KnightDoc]

This is just a rant but if schools historically accept only 40-60 people off a waitlist of 300+ people then what the heck is the point of putting more than 150 people on the waitlist in the first place? 😡

Laziness and maximum flexibility for the black swan event where the unexpected happens.

 

[0rion]

Laziness and maximum flexibility for the black swan event where the unexpected happens.

Let's hope for the black swan event then 🤞

 

[Goro]

So why not tiered waitlists or some other method of communicating general waitlist location? Even knowing which tier you're in on a waitlist goes a long way toward life planning and mental health.

Here's how you save your mental health during this process (and I know that this will trigger some delicate souls): You are rejected until you get that accept email in your Inbox, and should be working on Plan B accordingly.

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

Here's how you save your mental health during this process (and I know that this will trigger some delicate souls): You are rejected until you get that accept email in your Inbox, and should be working on Plan B accordingly.

Perhaps we can redirect this conversation to a productive and fair comparison of waitlist policies?

 

[romanjoe]

y'all heard of interview "holds" ?
I've been on "hold" for an interview since 2/1. Apparently it's a waitlist for when they don't want to reject you right away but also aren't sure if they want to invite you for an interview.

Wish this was a more kind process. But, for sure, I can see how with 200+ applicants per seat at a school, we get the kind of process that we have today

 

[armaragon]

Perhaps we can redirect this conversation to a productive and fair comparison of waitlist policies?

You mean you don't like Goro's extremely helpful and supportive advice about how we should just pretend like we're not going to get in?

 

[KnightDoc]

You mean you don't like Goro's extremely helpful and supportive advice about how we should just pretend like we're not going to get in?

THIS^^^^^^^. I always hated that advice. I get how the adcoms want to lower expectations due to the ridiculously competitive nature of the process, but, if we are honestly going to take that advice, we wouldn't waste the time, money and effort applying in the first place.

Maybe I'm a delicate soul who is easily triggered, and maybe I'm just a human being who would appreciate being treated with the same transparency and respect anyone who so casually throws the term "sellers' market" around expects to be treated. They only difference being, they are allowed to have expectations and we are not. That said, it is what it is.

While there are definitely some exceptions, we all need to understand that these schools, collectively, do not care about us. Our role is to be the raw ingredient they insert into their MD manufacturing process. They treat us like crap, and applications only go up every year, with the applicants being more and more impressive each cycle. Given this reality, does anyone actually think anyone running this process for the schools is sitting around pondering how to make the process more palatable for us????

 

[Earthworm Slim]

THIS^^^^^^^. I always hated that advice. I get how the adcoms want to lower expectations due to the ridiculously competitive nature of the process, but, if we are honestly going to take that advice, we wouldn't waste the time, money and effort applying in the first place.

Maybe I'm a delicate soul who is easily triggered, and maybe I'm just a human being who would appreciate being treated with the same transparency and respect anyone who so casually throws the term "sellers' market" around expects to be treated. They only difference being, they are allowed to have expectations and we are not. That said, it is what it is.

While there are definitely some exceptions, we all need to understand that these schools, collectively, do not care about us. Our role is to be the raw ingredient they insert into their MD manufacturing process. They treat us like crap, and applications only go up every year, with the applicants being more and more impressive each cycle. Given this reality, does anyone actually think anyone running this process for the schools is sitting around pondering how to make the process more palatable for us????

Their solution to the annual increase in applicants hasn’t been to make the process more palatable since doing so would probably exacerbate the issue. For AMCAS the solution has been to increase the screens and hoops to pass applicants through. VITA, CASPER, SJT, exorbitant application fees, a longer MCAT were all deployed with the full intention of cutting us down and discouraging those who may not have the financial means or psychological wherewithal to apply. I agree it’s jacked up and not sustainable.

 

[KnightDoc]

Their solution to the annual increase in applicants hasn’t been to make the process more palatable since doing so would probably exacerbate the issue. For AMCAS the solution has been to increase the screens and hoops to pass applicants through. VITA, CASPER, SJT, exorbitant application fees, a longer MCAT were all deployed with the full intention of cutting us down and discouraging those who may not have the financial means or psychological wherewithal to apply. I agree it’s jacked up and not sustainable.

Exactly! My point was simply that, in an environment in which they are doing great while treating applicants like crap, they have no incentive to do anything any differently. All except the financial means part, because, giving credit where credit is due, they DID expand access to FAP. Believe me, AMCAS profits from increased applications, and is not doing anything to discourage them. The "longer" MCAT was just a return to the regular MCAT, which they need in order to develop questions for future MCATs.

The sins here are being committed by the schools, not AMCAS, which has distanced itself from everything after verifying and transmitting primary applications. VITA, CASPer, SJT, ghosting, no WL transparency, etc., are all individual school decisions, not AMCAS.

 

[Goro]

You mean you don't like Goro's extremely helpful and supportive advice about how we should just pretend like we're not going to get in?

60% of all people don't get in. I'm trying to be supported by giving you a dose of reality, and to choke off some of the entitlement that seeping in through the electrons.

 

[bigdbron]

Exactly! My point was simply that, in an environment in which they are doing great while treating applicants like crap, they have no incentive to do anything any differently. All except the financial means part, because, giving credit where credit is due, they DID expand access to FAP. Believe me, AMCAS profits from increased applications, and is not doing anything to discourage them. The "longer" MCAT was just a return to the regular MCAT, which they need in order to develop questions for future MCATs.

The sins here are being committed by the schools, not AMCAS, which has distanced itself from everything after verifying and transmitting primary applications. VITA, CASPer, SJT, ghosting, no WL transparency, etc., are all individual school decisions, not AMCAS.

I saw more schools are doing SJT next year, stupid af. AAMC is definitely using it to make money and compete with CASPER. Casper is a much better test imo

 

[bigdbron]

Do you guys feel that all schools should adopt a ranked WL as a means to be more transparent?

 

[KnightDoc]

Do you guys feel that all schools should adopt a ranked WL as a means to be more transparent?

Nope. Ranked WLs aren't the answer, because they destroy the school's flexibility to shape the class. The answer is what some schools do, where they place you in a tier, communicate that tier to you, AND provide data regarding historic movement within tiers. There is plenty schools can do to let you know where you stand without losing any flexibility at all, but, it creates work for them and only benefits us, so, most don't do it.

 

[bigdbron]

What's the difference b/w being placed in a tier vs a ranked WL? aren't they kinda the same?

 

[Otterly]

What's the difference b/w being placed in a tier vs a ranked WL? aren't they kinda the same?

Ranked means that when acceptee x turns down the offer, they have to take #1 on the waitlist. This can result in the class becoming off balance if acceptee x was unique in some way that WL #1 doesn't fulfill. Tiers means that they have a group of waitlisted applicants to choose from to replace acceptee x, allowing them more control to create a balanced/diverse class.

 

[KnightDoc]

What's the difference b/w being placed in a tier vs a ranked WL? aren't they kinda the same?

I'm just a premed like you, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is no, they are technically very different. LCME requires them to go in strict order if the list is ranked, so most don't do that, because they want the flexibility to replace a female with a female, URM with URM, etc. So, they get around this by creating unranked tiers, which gives them the flexibility to jump around within the tier as they see fit. This is actually what most schools do, whether or not they communicate the tier to us.

By the way, if a list is ranked, LOIs, updates, etc. cannot, by definition, have an impact, since your decision is already made, and you are just waiting to see whether or not they get around to you. Another reason ranked lists are not really in anyone's best interest.

 

[bigdbron]

Ranked means that when acceptee x turns down the offer, they have to take #1 on the waitlist. This can result in the class becoming off balance if acceptee x was unique in some way that WL #1 doesn't fulfill. Tiers means that they have a group of waitlisted applicants to choose from to replace acceptee x, allowing them more control to create a balanced/diverse class.

I'm just a premed like you, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is no, they are technically very different. LCME requires them to go in strict order if the list is ranked, so most don't do that, because they want the flexibility to replace a female with a female, URM with URM, etc. So, they get around this by creating unranked tiers, which gives them the flexibility to jump around within the tier as they see fit. This is actually what most schools do, whether or not they communicate the tier to us.

By the way, if a list is ranked, LOIs, updates, etc. cannot, by definition, have an impact, since your decision is already made, and you are just waiting to see whether or not they get around to you. Another reason ranked lists are not really in anyone's best interest.

So could someone from a lower tier be accepted in comparison to someone from a higher tier fi they make the class more diverse/balanced?

 

[KnightDoc]

Ty for clarifying that! So if someone is in a higher tier, could they possibly not get accepted first if someone from a lower tier makes the class more diverse/balanced?

No, that's not how the tiers work in practice. That would render stratifying by tier meaningless. Schools will normally clear one tier before moving to another (other than IS/OOS at public schools, where each has its own list). The tiers give them flexibility to pick and choose within the tier. The tiers are normally diverse enough to enable the schools to honor the stratification. Keep in mind that most schools either have enough movement that this is not an issue, or so little movement that it's also not an issue!

 

[Earthworm Slim]

60% of all people don't get in. I'm trying to be supported by giving you a dose of reality, and to choke off some of the entitlement that seeping in through the electrons.

Ah yes, I remember your supportive dose of reality when you told me I should consider pursuing something other than medicine.

 

[zorcandpals]

Do you guys feel that all schools should adopt a ranked WL as a means to be more transparent?

Given the complete opaqcity of the process I feel there are much more lower hanging fruit in the admissions process to add transparency than just adding a ranked WL

 

[Lifeblood_20]

Hey everyone. I have been following this thread but have never posted in fear that as someone with multiple acceptances, any words of support I can say would sound fake rather than reassuring. But I felt driven to post after seeing some of the unnecessarily critical posts here. I have been gradually turning down offers as soon as I decide against a school and just want to let you know that I am rooting for all of you!!!

 

[Julatteluver]

Hey everyone. I have been following this thread but have never posted in fear that as someone with multiple acceptances, any words of support I can say would sound fake rather than reassuring. But I felt driven to post after seeing some of the unnecessarily critical posts here. I have been gradually turning down offers as soon as I decide against a school and just want to let you know that I am rooting for all of you!!!

no I'm glad you posted! I (and other applicants I'm sure) am thankful for applicants who withdraw their As early, which can be helpful for other waitlisted people. It seems like your cycle ended up being super successful, and I'm happy for you! Congratulations!!

 

[Earthworm Slim]

We know that only 60% applicants get in. That is why we are in the waitlist support thread. We want support not people to put us down while we are already down. Can you please read the room?

I can understand being realistic and preparing for the worst in situations with outcomes as dubious as being on the waitlist. However, I do believe there is a manner of conveying this message without being pretentious- especially in a field where empathy is one of its core pillars. Making comments like “triggering some delicate souls,” as if most of us aren’t aware of the threat of reapplication is condescending and the antithesis of what I expect a forum dedicated to unconditional care should be about. As a user whose guidance apparently holds so much clout, I honestly expect more class. Insensitive comments don’t do much to inspire the next generation of caregivers.

 

[Otterly]

So this may be a dumb question, and also pretty arbitrary at this point in the cycle, but how big an impact do interviews have on your admissions decision? I always thought that IIs were based off your primary/secondary/LORs and then admissions decision was based on interviews. But one MD I work with told me that the interviews "don't matter that much...and mostly make the schools feel better that you're not a pyschopath" but he could be totally wrong. Also, I had one interview with a pretty high ranking admin and he told me "I hope you keep us high up on your list and I hope we see you in the fall" and then I got waitlisted. I know it's up to a whole committee so he could've thought that and then got outvoted....I just feel so mindf***ed by this process and don't know what to think anymore.

 

[zorcandpals]

So this may be a dumb question, and also pretty arbitrary at this point in the cycle, but how big an impact do interviews have on your admissions decision? I always thought that IIs were based off your primary/secondary/LORs and then admissions decision was based on interviews. But one MD I work with told me that the interviews "don't matter that much...and mostly make the schools feel better that you're not a pyschopath" but he could be totally wrong. Also, I had one interview with a pretty high ranking admin and he told me "I hope you keep us high up on your list and I hope we see you in the fall" and then I got waitlisted. I know it's up to a whole committee so he could've thought that and then got outvoted....I just feel so mindf***ed by this process and don't know what to think anymore.

Its really school dependendant but obviously they need to matter somewhat otherwise how else could a school cull 50-70 percent of interviewed candidates?

 

[Julatteluver]

So this may be a dumb question, and also pretty arbitrary at this point in the cycle, but how big an impact do interviews have on your admissions decision? I always thought that IIs were based off your primary/secondary/LORs and then admissions decision was based on interviews. But one MD I work with told me that the interviews "don't matter that much...and mostly make the schools feel better that you're not a pyschopath" but he could be totally wrong. Also, I had one interview with a pretty high ranking admin and he told me "I hope you keep us high up on your list and I hope we see you in the fall" and then I got waitlisted. I know it's up to a whole committee so he could've thought that and then got outvoted....I just feel so mindf***ed by this process and don't know what to think anymore.

I had this same question. This one interview I had ended up being objectively very good. The interviewer explicitly said ‘I think the only issue we will have is you choosing us, so let’s stop the interview so I can tell you more about our school’ It honestly could not go any better, then they waitlisted me 🤡. I think interviews are important but not as important. Ultimately, the whole committee has to like us

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

Its really school dependendant but obviously they need to matter somewhat otherwise how else could a school cull 50-70 percent of interviewed candidates?

Through post-interview holistic reassessments of your application.

One thing I've learned this cycle (and wish I had known in my previous cycle) is that for many schools, the II and acceptance milestones are two very different thresholds to clear. For the former, earning an II might be at the discretion of a select few application reviewers that are evaluating looser application criteria (e.g., X MCAT, Y GPAs, Z number of activities, etc.), while the latter might involve the entirety of an admissions committee (sometimes like 30 voting individuals) that are seeing your app for the first time and/or are evaluating far more stringent criteria for acceptance.

Edit: this is why trying to assess chances of acceptance from a quantitative standpoint based on # of II received is mostly nonsense. Obviously, the more shots you put on net the greater your chances of scoring are, but colloquialisms such as "three to be an MD" are pretty useless if the interview isn't a straight binary decision point.

 

[deleted932967]

Through post-interview holistic reassessments of your application.

One thing I've learned this cycle (and wish I had known in my previous cycle) is that for many schools, the II and acceptance milestones are two very different thresholds to clear. For the former, earning an II might be at the discretion of a select few application reviewers that are evaluating looser application criteria (e.g., X MCAT, Y GPAs, Z number of activities, etc.), while the latter might involve the entirety of an admissions committee (sometimes like 30 voting individuals) that are seeing your app for the first time and/or are evaluating far more stringent criteria for acceptance.

Edit: this is why trying to assess chances of acceptance from a quantitative standpoint based on # of II received is mostly nonsense. Obviously, the more shots you put on net the greater your chances of scoring are, but colloquialisms such as "three to be an MD" are pretty useless if the interview isn't a straight binary decision point.

This is why I’m wondering how likely a lower stat applicant is to get off the WL. Even though one of my schools has a ton of WL movement, I’m thinking I’m done due to stats.

 

[Julatteluver]

Through post-interview holistic reassessments of your application.

One thing I've learned this cycle (and wish I had known in my previous cycle) is that for many schools, the II and acceptance milestones are two very different thresholds to clear. For the former, earning an II might be at the discretion of a select few application reviewers that are evaluating looser application criteria (e.g., X MCAT, Y GPAs, Z number of activities, etc.), while the latter might involve the entirety of an admissions committee (sometimes like 30 voting individuals) that are seeing your app for the first time and/or are evaluating far more stringent criteria for acceptance.

Edit: this is why trying to assess chances of acceptance from a quantitative standpoint based on # of II received is mostly nonsense. Obviously, the more shots you put on net the greater your chances of scoring are, but colloquialisms such as "three to be an MD" are pretty useless if the interview isn't a straight binary decision point.

Hahahaah 3II= A logic rlyyyy screwed me over this cycle. But honestly, I’d like to believe that us getting IIs and waitlisted still mean we are qualified. Some of people may call me naive, but schools will never waste their time on people who they are not interested in. I just hope late April/May treats us nicely

 

[deleted936329]

This is why I’m wondering how likely a lower stat applicant is to get off the WL. Even though one of my schools has a ton of WL movement, I’m thinking I’m done due to stats.

This is what I'd like to know as a low stat applicant on 2 WLs haha
Definitely keeps me up at night 😕
It's a constant tug of war between "Nah I'm not good enough, gotta focus on plan B" and "Hmmmm maybe I might be lucky"
Hope is such a double edged sword sometimes haha

 

[deleted1082199]

This is what I'd like to know as a low stat applicant on 2 WLs haha
Definitely keeps me up at night 😕
It's a constant tug of war between "Nah I'm not good enough, gotta focus on plan B" and "Hmmmm maybe I might be lucky"
Hope is such a double edged sword sometimes haha

and focusing on plan B is so hard when nothing is definite. i cant figure out how to convince myself i got an R! i'm making plans like i have the R but the mentality part of it all is a whole different ball game

 

[eartharte]

What do you guys consider to be low-stat? My AMCAS cGPA is 3.87 and sGPA is 3.94 with an MCAT score of 513 (129/128/128/128). I'd consider myself like a pretty average-stat applicant right?

 

[golfnerd]

What do you guys consider to be low-stat? My AMCAS cGPA is 3.87 and sGPA is 3.94 with an MCAT score of 513 (129/128/128/128). I'd consider myself like a pretty average-stat applicant right?

depends, but yeah probably

 

[lanadelgay124]

What do you guys consider to be low-stat? My AMCAS cGPA is 3.87 and sGPA is 3.94 with an MCAT score of 513 (129/128/128/128). I'd consider myself like a pretty average-stat applicant right?

Yes (your stats are great, actually), but it totally depends which school you're on the waitlist for! I have pretty decent stats, but they're solidly median (certainly nothing amazing) at the school I'm waitlisted at.

 

[deleted936329]

What do you guys consider to be low-stat? My AMCAS cGPA is 3.87 and sGPA is 3.94 with an MCAT score of 513 (129/128/128/128). I'd consider myself like a pretty average-stat applicant right?

Bruh lol I would sell my soul for stats like that

Congrats on achieving that and I'm sorry that you're on 6 WLs, that must be discouraging for sure
For the median of all matriculants I would say you're above average for both GPA and MCAT
However, when getting more specific when talking about schools or ethnicity that might change a little

Generally speaking I would put a GPA < 3.5 and an MCAT < 510 as leaning towards the lower side
And I don't mean to say that to discredit anyone's hard work but more trying give a generic sentence to answer your question
But it's also important to remember the other parts of an application besides GPA/MCAT

 

[eartharte]

Yes (your stats are great, actually), but it totally depends which school you're on the waitlist for! I have pretty decent stats, but they're solidly median (certainly nothing amazing) at the school I'm waitlisted at.

(lemme know if this is TMI cuz I know privacy is a super big thing on SDN but these are the schools I'm WL at)

MCW
Medium MCAT: 510
Median GPA: 3.74

UCSD
Medium MCAT: 517
Medium GPA: 3.84

RFU
Median MCAT: 512
Median GPA: 3.73

University of Colorado
Median MCAT: 512
Median GPA: 3.82

USF Morsani
Median MCAT: 517
Median GPA: 3.76

OUWB
Median MCAT: 510
Median GPA: 3.83

Also I think all these stats are from 2019-2020 school year cuz I didn't renew my MSAR but if things have changed please lemme know! I feel like my stats are relatively competitive for these schools, but fingers crossed!

However, when getting more specific when talking about schools or ethnicity that might change a little

I'm a CA resident, Chinese American applicant so that probably does play to my disadvantage a little bit unfortunately.

 

[MisterMukwa]

(lemme know if this is TMI cuz I know privacy is a super big thing on SDN but these are the schools I'm WL at)

MCW
Medium MCAT: 510
Median GPA: 3.74

UCSD
Medium MCAT: 517
Medium GPA: 3.84

RFU
Median MCAT: 512
Median GPA: 3.73

University of Colorado
Median MCAT: 512
Median GPA: 3.82

USF Morsani
Median MCAT: 517
Median GPA: 3.76

OUWB
Median MCAT: 510
Median GPA: 3.83

Also I think all these stats are from 2019-2020 school year cuz I didn't renew my MSAR but if things have changed please lemme know! I feel like my stats are relatively competitive for these schools, but fingers crossed!



I'm a CA resident, Chinese American applicant so that probably does play to my disadvantage a little bit unfortunately.

I definitely wouldn't consider you "low stat" for any of those schools, with maybe the exception of USF MCAT. You're right in the range of the stats they are looking for.

 

[lanadelgay124]

(lemme know if this is TMI cuz I know privacy is a super big thing on SDN but these are the schools I'm WL at)

You seem competitive, stat-wise, at the majority of those schools.

 

[DilNyethescienceguy]

What do you guys consider to be low-stat? My AMCAS cGPA is 3.87 and sGPA is 3.94 with an MCAT score of 513 (129/128/128/128). I'd consider myself like a pretty average-stat applicant right?

I would try not to get hung up on stats here. I'm sure stats might be part of the WL->A decision-making process but it's not the only part.

 

[gon_gal]

Would it be overkill to send an update letter to one of the schools I am waitlisted at after I sent them a letter of intent on 3/21? I have a pretty significant update which just happened and the school in question seems to be receptive to letters, but I'm not sure if it's too soon and if I should wait another week or so.

 

[hohxil_fr]

If it makes you feel better, I have good stats (3.9/520+) but still got waitlisted/rejected after all of my MD interviews. Stats are not the only part as well for high-stats students...

 

[medscie158]

Just signed a lease for an apartment for a gap year job....pain.........

 

[KnightDoc]

If it makes you feel better, I have good stats (3.9/520+) but still got waitlisted/rejected after all of my MD interviews. Stats are not the only part as well for high-stats students...

Stats are never the whole story for anyone, and presumably everyone is fully aware of that. I really hope things work out for you, but posting that someone with a 3.9/520+ has no As, without qualifying the statement by disclosing that they are an international applicant, is misleading.

Unfortunately, international applicants have far fewer opportunities than US citizens, and the competition for each available opportunity is much more intense. As a result, their experience is just not typical and should not make anyone feel better or worse about their own situation, since international applicants are in an entirely different applicant pool with entirely different metrics and rates of success.

 

[Flareicus]

So this may be a dumb question, and also pretty arbitrary at this point in the cycle, but how big an impact do interviews have on your admissions decision? I always thought that IIs were based off your primary/secondary/LORs and then admissions decision was based on interviews. But one MD I work with told me that the interviews "don't matter that much...and mostly make the schools feel better that you're not a pyschopath" but he could be totally wrong. Also, I had one interview with a pretty high ranking admin and he told me "I hope you keep us high up on your list and I hope we see you in the fall" and then I got waitlisted. I know it's up to a whole committee so he could've thought that and then got outvoted....I just feel so mindf***ed by this process and don't know what to think anymore.

From what I've heard from med student friends who have been on interview committees, Adcom explanations, and talking to a few of the interviewers at the med school I worked with, the vast majority of interviews don't really have a significant effect on chances of admittance. You get a few interviewees who blow their interviewer away, a few others which fall into the instant rejection pile, and the rest who don't significantly move the needle in one way or another.

I think the best analogy I've heard was about interviews was an AdCom that described it as a staircase. You have applicants on each step. For the ones at the top, they may just need a mediocre or even slightly poor interview to carry them over the last step to acceptance. On the other hand, the applicants who are on the bottom step would need a stellar interview in order to make it. It sounds like in your case that you had a solid interview but for whatever reason, you were just ranked at a lower point before the interview and that performance wasn't enough. I've had a similar experience in a prior cycle where my interviewer implied that I would get in but it turned into a WL->R. In the future, it would be better to take what the interviewers say with a huge grain of salt. Unless they have a high ranking position in the AdCom (not the medical school in general), they oftentimes don't have as much pull regarding admissions decisions as you think they do.

 

[esob]

You mean you don't like Goro's extremely helpful and supportive advice about how we should just pretend like we're not going to get in?

FWIW, Goro has probably helped more people get into medical school than just about anyone in SDN history, so tread lightly.

 

[Earthworm Slim]

FWIW, Goro has probably helped more people get into medical school than just about anyone in SDN history, so tread lightly.

I feel like the comment was aimed more at Goro’s insensitive tone rather than his advising ability. I don’t doubt his track record but I don’t always agree with his mannerisms- and I know we’re not the only ones who share this sentiment. FWIW, Goro’s best advice to me when I was looking for help to improve my app was to give up.

 

[armaragon]

FWIW, Goro has probably helped more people get into medical school than just about anyone in SDN history, so tread lightly.

Lol

 

[ohshizmyquad]

Does anyone know anything about being WL’d at Georgetown? People say they have historically had a great movement, but I’m not sure what to think.