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Who did you vote for?

  • Bush

    Votes: 61 49.2%
  • Kerry

    Votes: 53 42.7%
  • Nader

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Didn't vote

    Votes: 9 7.3%

  • Total voters
    124
  • Poll closed .
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i am betting we will not get the results tonight or tommorrow.. it will probably take couple of weeks to maybe a month or two...

if you have studying to do, don't bother watching t.v. ... expect alot of litigation coming out later this week.

on a side note, i will probably be watching tho:) haha

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9-11 continues to haunt my every thought. The grief and horror that brought to me and the ones that I love is like a knife in my stomach. Those nightmares have been replaced with men wearing black masks that slowly saw off the heads of men as they squeal in agony. I think about the school full of children on their first day of school being slaughtered by the hundreds. I see the 8 yo boy with his classmate's blood splattered all over him, and the hollow ghost-like stare in his eyes as he is returned to his parents arms alive, but with scars that will never heal.

In spite of the horror, I am no longer afraid. I've decided that I would rather take a flying leap out of a burning high-rise, have my head sawed off, or be blown to bits in a tube high above the clouds, than yield one solitary inch of ground to these MFers. Churchill once said, "It's better to fight like a lion, than die like a sheep." I choose to be a lion. That means any cost, any burden -whatever it takes. Allahu Akbar.
 
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omaralt said:
ha umm.. if u listened to the latest bin ladin tape, he actually favors bush... wonder why??

Those states where Kerry carries the majority of votes will be spared from future terrorist attacks, according to the bin Laden.

That doesn't *sound* like he favors Bush.

Specifically, what lines are you citing (to say bin Laden favors Bush is a gross ignorance)?
 
It is plain as day that UBL favors anybody but Bush. Why the tape 3 days before the election? Why the threats to red states? Why the parroting of Michael Moore talking points? Why a tape instead of an attack? Why the demure tone instead of "holy war" rhetoric? Why?

Here's my explanation, he's been on the run for the last 3 yrs. 60% of his friends are dead or captured. His ability to strike has been severly hampered and he would like nothing more than to have a reprieve from the American onslaught propagated largely by GWB.

Unfortunately UBL will get his way because many people agree with him. I predict Bush will take FL and IA, the rest of the close BG states namely PA, OH will go Kerry. It's a tough lot, but it was Bush's election to lose. I don't agree with Kerry on many issues, but he's a decent man and I will support him until Nov 2008.
 
those words i quoted come directly from bin ladens speech, word for word. they're toward the middle of the speech, if u click on the link...

and why wouldnt bin laden favor bush???? bush has just created a thousand bin ladens, and while ppl say bush is making america safer, in reality he is making america even more hated throughout the world and more likely to be attacked again. by supplying israel with billions of dollars a year, F16s, tanks, etc.. and then israel turns around and uses our tax money to demolish palestinian houses and kill palestinian people, why would they have any love for us??? and i know people are going to talk about the suicide bombings going on, and yes they are horrible, but look at the numbers ppl!!! over 3 times the amount of palestinians are dying and the number of palestinian children dying is exponentially greater than the amount of israeli children. its just that in our media, the only time we hear anything is when a "terrorist" palestinian kills an "innoncent" israeli. and the same thing is going on in iraq now, where according to the latest amnesty international study, over 100,000 ppl have died so far, and the ppl are in worse economic state than they ever were. do u think ppl care about democracy, elections, internet, etc, when they dont have enough food to eat and are too scared to go out of their homes???

i personally think bush is an ignorant idiot who is going to lead america further down the path of being hated throughout the world.. he arrogant "lets go get them" style is not is what is fit for a president..ekhhh wateva, i hope this guy doesnt win...

i'm omar, and i approve this message...
 
BONAFIED said:
It is plain as day that UBL favors anybody but Bush. Why the tape 3 days before the election? Why the threats to red states? Why the parroting of Michael Moore talking points? Why a tape instead of an attack? Why the demure tone instead of "holy war" rhetoric? Why?

Here's my explanation, he's been on the run for the last 3 yrs. 60% of his friends are dead or captured. His ability to strike has been severly hampered and he would like nothing more than to have a reprieve from the American onslaught propagated largely by GWB.

Unfortunately UBL will get his way because many people agree with him. I predict Bush will take FL and IA, the rest of the close BG states namely PA, OH will go Kerry. It's a tough lot, but it was Bush's election to lose. I don't agree with Kerry on many issues, but he's a decent man and I will support him until Nov 2008.



ha why would UBL favor anybody but bush??? the american ppl ( as bush wants) have completely forgotten about UBL.. we're now focused on iraq. its hilarous to see how stupid most ppl are, when i was looking at a poll a few months after 9/11 and like 80% of ppl thought that UBL was responsibel for 9/11.. a few months after the iraq war started, that same poll was conducted again, and like 60% now thought saddam was responsible for 9/11..... maan.. the amount of deception that goes on here is amazing...


good goin gator fan!! we need all the FL kerry votes we can get... hopefully we dont have a repeat of 2000, when bush stole the vote from gore....
 
omaralt said:
bush has just created a thousand bin ladens
Proof? Hehe -don't have any do you. 60% of his leadership is killed or captured. But you're right many bin ladens are being created so we should give up and negotiate a peace that meets the approval of these people. I see.
by supplying israel with billions of dollars a year, F16s, tanks, etc.. and then israel turns around and uses our tax money to demolish palestinian houses and kill palestinian people
Hmmm, nothing I like more than waking up Sunday morning, pouring my coffee, turning on the news and see my tax dollars put to good use in defending a democracy against the worlds most cowardly band of terrorists. It's definitely a Taster's Choice Moment.
and i know people are going to talk about the suicide bombings going on, and yes they are horrible, but look at the numbers ppl!!! over 3 times the amount of palestinians are dying and the number of palestinian children dying is exponentially greater than the amount of israeli children.
By that rationale, the most important aspect in fighting a war or defending yourself is parity beteen non-combatant casualties. "Oh sure it's okay to fight a war -as long as you don't allow yourself to win" Of course there's that pesky hangup of right and wrong too. Talk about moral equivalency -sheesh. Don't forget that every major terroist org in Israel actively uses hospitals, daycare, schools, and women and children as human shields for their muderous ends. Israel targets terrorist specifically with minimal collateral loss, and palestinians target pregnant women while walking home from the market with their children. They shoot the children in front of the mother, then they mortally wound her in the belly, let her bleed, then slash her throat. -Yeah, so pretty much the same strategy.
its just that in our media...
Ah yes, the Jewish conspiracy. You're obviously an anti-semite. My advice would be to live or travel in the ME for a while. You may find things are not as simple as you think.
 
why did the anti-semite comment had to come up so quickly?:) ... are you anti-arab??
 
omaralt said:
... hopefully we dont have a repeat of 2000, when bush stole the vote from gore....
This is the litmus test for credibiltiy of opinion. Anyone who says this should be regarded as a crank.

I guess that whole "equal protection under the law" thing in the Constitution is tough for you to swallow. Especially when you only want to recount votes in highly democratic neighborhoods and not the whole state by the same standards. Yes and that damn supreme court and their conservative views, like upholding roe v wade, affirmative action, gay sex, kiddie porn, and gay scoutmasters. Sheesh what a bunch of right wing cronnies. No wonder Bush won. The same people who cheered the recent writ on AA and the steady wisdom of the court, are the same who say Bush stole it. (?)
 
the supreme court screwed up last time, don't even say they did the right thing.
 
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rocknightmare said:
the supreme court screwed up last time, don't even say they did the right thing.
Equal protection under the law. Argue with that.
 
how about a field that says "can't vote?"
 
no argument there..

but they can't decide an election either. The constitutional mechanism for deciding disputed elections was side stepped. therefor exciding its powers against the law it suppose to uphold.
 
I used my new citizenship to vote for Bush. Voting is underrated.
 
Same here...went at 3:30 and NO wait :) Hurry up!
 
rocknightmare said:
but they can't decide an election either. The constitutional mechanism for deciding disputed elections was side stepped. therefor exciding its powers against the law it suppose to uphold.

Read the writ for the sake of Christmas. They didn't decide the election. They said the recount as it was being conducted was unconsitutional. The recount stopped, and the rules agreed to before the election on how to count ballots was used. It's a dead horse that know-nothing people hear somewhere and then parrot it like they even know what they're saying.

why did the anti-semite comment had to come up so quickly? ... are you anti-arab??
Maybe you should read Omar's post. Is it not rational to assume that someone who hates Israel, decries the US support of Israel, and alludes to the jewish media conspiracy, is an anti-semite?

You don't even know what an arab is, so who cares what you think.
 
Mo007 said:
Based 1-on-1 in the debates....

Did you know Bush got a scholarship while he was in Yale that was very hard to get then.... "Barbara Bush Scholarship!" :D

Did you know that John Kerry graduated with a low C average and never went to graduate school? How did he get all that money for all of his mansions and properties that easily outweigh those of George W. Bush? Look at his wife. Seems more like a con-artist than a candidate for president. Just my 2-cents. :)
 
RaiderNation said:
Did you know that John Kerry graduated with a low C average and never went to graduate school? How did he get all that money for all of his mansions and properties that easily outweigh those of George W. Bush? Look at his wife. Seems more like a con-artist than a candidate for president. Just my 2-cents. :)
Kerry went to law school, you can have your 2 cents back.
 
BONAFIED said:
Kerry went to law school, you can have your 2 cent back.[/QUOT

Woops, your right. Boston College. My bad. Explains why he's so good with words...(see typo's link).
 
RaiderNation said:
BONAFIED said:
Kerry went to law school, you can have your 2 cent back.[/QUOT

Woops, your right. Boston College. My bad. Explains why he's so good with words...(see typo's link).
NP raider just wanna keep it honest in here....

He was also a debate champion to boot in undergrad. It's my opinion that intelligence is correlated to eloquence to some degree. However, I think the single biggest factor in a persons speaking abilities has to do with where they were raised.
 
BONAFIED said:
NP raider just wanna keep it honest in here....

He was also a debate champion to boot in undergrad. It's my opinion that intelligence is correlated to eloquence to some degree. However, I think the single biggest factor in a persons speaking abilities has to do with where they were raised.


UMMMM....if someone's intelligence is correlated to eloquence, then I guess Einstein wasn't that smart, Stephen Hawking is an idiot, and many bright and VERY intellectual people don't pass your test. get something real to argue with other than eloquence. Anybody can perfect talking points or sound good in front of an audience, look at Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw or Dan Rather. However, if you get them into an intellectual conversation talking about a wide range of subjects, they probably couldn't talk themselves out of a wet paper bag. They are however, very eloquent in the way they speak, but not what I would consider really intelligent in content matter, but apparently content doesn't matter, especially when you're someone voting for Kerry.
 
jdcinza13 said:
UMMMM....if someone's intelligence is correlated to eloquence, then I guess Einstein wasn't that smart, Stephen Hawking is an idiot, and many bright and VERY intellectual people don't pass your test. get something real to argue with other than eloquence. Anybody can perfect talking points or sound good in front of an audience, look at Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw or Dan Rather. However, if you get them into an intellectual conversation talking about a wide range of subjects, they probably couldn't talk themselves out of a wet paper bag. They are however, very eloquent in the way they speak, but not what I would consider really intelligent in content matter, but apparently content doesn't matter, especially when you're someone voting for Kerry.
Hey dumba$$, apparently READING isn't your stong suit. Go back and read my post. Pay attention to word correlated and what it actually means, pay attention to the qualifier "to some degree" and what it means, then read the rest of my post to see if you get what I tried to say before going off half-cocked.
 
Hey Omar,

There is no such thing as "cycle of violence". Barbaric Palestinian terrorists blow themselves up in the name of Allah (what a disgrace they are to the Muslim religion) and Israel defends itself as it ought to. There is no tit for tat fighting. If Israel had it's choice you think it would want to send its 18 year olds into the hell-hole that is Gaza??? But they gotta do what they gotta do and killing terrorists is part of it. Civilian deaths are always tragic and Israel does its best to avoid these.

So Omar stop spreading these 50 year old MYTHS on SDN...Americans are not buying it.

God Bless America, Israel's only TRUE ally.
 
BONAFIED said:
It's my opinion that intelligence is correlated to eloquence to some degree.

Now THAT is funny. Of course it's correlated to some degree. EVERYTHING is. :)

And let's keep the debate heated, but refrain from calling each other names. Thanks.
 
I waited in line for two hours last Wednesday to cast my vote for Kerry. On the one hand it is fascinating for me to be in such a contested state and on the other I am a bit repulsed by the binary nature of American politics. Politics aside, I hope that come tomorrow we'll have a president and not a drawn out recount.
 
Dr.BadVibes said:
For Gods sake....to my American friends...for the sake of not only US security but world security, PLEASE VOTE FOR KERRY!

Not that Kerry is great, but he is just the lesser of two evils!

When you have a canuck pushing for a certain candidate...you know its the wrong choice. :laugh:
 
Sprgrover said:
I waited in line for two hours last Wednesday to cast my vote for Kerry. On the one hand it is fascinating for me to be in such a contested state and on the other I am a bit repulsed by the binary nature of American politics. Politics aside, I hope that come tomorrow we'll have a president and not a drawn out recount.

Gah, I hear you! Like we need a repeat of the Bush/Gore ordeal.... But... if that does happen we can start to wonder about those republican's messing with the ballots. (JUST KIDDING~ please don't hang me for that remark~ come on laugh, that was funny :laugh: )

I voted for Kerry several weeks ago as OR has mail in ballots. I tell you, lazy people in OR have no excuse not to vote. They just have to fill it out and mail it in. It is pretty sad that our voting turnout average in this country in SO LOW.
 
I didn't get an absentee ballot.

I thought it was ironic how everyone is pushing people to register to vote, but no one bothered to inform me that I would need an absentee ballot since I'm off at school.
 
beastly115 said:
I thought it was ironic how everyone is pushing people to register to vote, but no one bothered to inform me that I would need an absentee ballot since I'm off at school.

It is a Republican conspiracy, my friend ! :laugh: :laugh:
 
Darksunshine said:
I voted for Kerry several weeks ago as OR has mail in ballots. I tell you, lazy people in OR have no excuse not to vote. They just have to fill it out and mail it in. It is pretty sad that our voting turnout average in this country in SO LOW.

Speaking of mail and voting, Florida is already getting into hot water about their mail-in absentee ballots. First, a bunch of mail-in's have already been tossed out because they weren't signed (it's very, very obvious on the ballot that it must be signed - they even have large arrows pulling the eye towards the all important signature box). Second, the elections office did a *surprise* mailing of ballots Saturday night - which is not enough time for the post office to deliver them, let alone have them mailed back. Knowing Florida and the strange yet subtle ways things are run down here I'm sure there will be more little episodes that lawyers from both sides can fight over.
 
ItsGavinC said:
Now THAT is funny. Of course it's correlated to some degree. EVERYTHING is. :)
I don't know what is so ground breaking about me pointing out that there is a positive correlation between a persons intelligence and how well they communicate. Especially when I immediately discount this correlation and follow up with what I believe is most influential in a persons communication skills; where they were raised.

So in my thinly veiled attempt to stand up for Bush's I get flamed for being a lousy no-good Kerry supporter. Jeez.
 
I just voted, about twenty minutes ago, for Bush. This is the fifth presidential election I've voted in. I started out a registered Republican (mostly because of my parents), and became a Democrat after I graduated. I agree with the earlier post. It's easy to be a Democrat when you have nothing, and feel like someone should be helping you. And, if you are rich you feel guilty about having so much (Hollywood, etc.), so you feel like you need to help everyone, when actually the best way to help people is not with a handout, but by teaching them to be self-sufficient. When I started my own business, and started paying real taxes, I became more conservative. I was tired of working so hard, and having the government take so much in taxes (to pay for programs for people who didn't pay income taxes). There was less incentive to expand my business. I knew a couple that consisted of a vet and a pharmacist. The pharmacist quit her job, because it wasn't worth it since they got tossed in a higher tax bracket. That's not the way to increase a country's productivity. So I guess taxes are my hot button issue. And my experience has been that national Democrats always are for higher taxes and bigger government. And the last twenty years they seem to have gotten themselves stuck in this quagmire of "buying votes" by maintaining and increasing aid from the government for certain people. If you were receiving support from the government, whould you want to elect the representatives of that party that pushed those programs, or their opponents? On social issues, I'm much more liberal. I'm in favor of stem cell research, etc. In other words, I'm not some crazy fundamentalist right winger. But that's the problem with a two party system. You can't pick and choose your issues. I know the war is a big issue with some. People are trying to scare you into thinking they are going to instill a draft. That is not going to happen. There is too much differing opinion that it would be political suicide that would destroy whichever party proposed it. This isn't Vietnam, where at the beginning there was much more public support. And after hearing from Bin Laden the other day, it is obvious that he would prefer Kerry to win. That pretty much clenched it for me. Obviously Bush's efforts have had some effect. In this dangerous world, it is very important to realize that it is necessary to send a clear message. I'm not in favor of war. But if we keep backing down when it comes to terrorism (like Clinton did so many times during his presidency (that's another reason why I switched parties)), they are only going to think that they can take it to the next level (9/11). Everyone wants their freedom. They just don't want to think about how we keep it. I have friends in the military. If you knew how many times we have come close to a major catastrophe, you would be just as supportive of our soldiers as I am today. Let's face it, if a terrorist wants to hurt this country, he/she will be able to if they try hard enough. Appeasement is not the route go. Remember Hitler. Remember how far he got before the rest of Europe woke up and realized that he might be coming for them. I Hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers. These are just my opinions and observations over the last thirty something years and it will be deleted by tommorrow! I really don't feel like arguing, so if you have different opinions, just post your views and let's leave it at that. Hey, you said be passionate!
 
Does anybody else have "a plan?"

Kerry = aristocratic hypocrite (i.e. everything that he claims that he stands for now is inconsistent with how he's voted for the past 20 years)

4 more years!!!
 
i dont even know where to start with u... ur sooo ignorant, and typical.. anybody who in any way shape or form critizes israel, is automatically an anti-semite... soo typical.. and stupid...and btw buddy... how did the whole thing start?? look at ur history...the palestinians were living there for thousands of years, and all of a sudden, nobody wanted the jews after WWII, including the US, so they were thrown into palestine. so ya the palestinians should have just left their homes, their land that they've had for thousands of years, and gladly give it up to the israelis..ya how out the candians come down tomorrow and kick u out of ur house and tell u that they're living there now... see how u'd like that...

and i said, the suicide bombings are horrrible.. but demolishing ppls houses isnt?? ok, so if there was a guy living there with his family, and his house just got demolished, everything he ever owned is gone, now hes going to go on with his life and love israel and the US?? HELL NO!! now this guy is going to go blow himself up, and the cycle continues... is there any solution?? probably not, when religion is involved in a conflict like this, there rarely is...

and i find it soo hypocritical, when our justification of the war is cuz iraq has like 10 UN resolutions against it.. umm. israel has like 30?? they're now building a wall, dividing families down the middle, and of course the UN condemned it, but again nobody cares... and go there for a while... u'll see the "equality" while the israelis take 80 % of the lands resources (for only like 10% of the population) the arabs live in slums and in the worst conditions.. it is despicable.. and speaking of terrorism... israel is a state founded on terrorism and uses it on a daily basis... how about blowing up an 80 yr old paralyzed man in his wheel chair while hes on his way to the morning prayers (ahmad yaseen) the list goes on and on...
 
TX Hopeful said:
Does anybody else have "a plan?"

Kerry = aristocratic hypocrite (i.e. everything that he claims that he stands for now is inconsistent with how he's voted for the past 20 years)

4 more years!!!

And you think Bush hasn't been caught in a lie? Hmmmm. This is politics here, they ALL are hypocrites.
 
ItsGavinC said:
Certainly not that I'm aware of. Would you care to elaborate?

In the third debate he said that he denied that he ever said that he didn't think about Osama bin Laden. He scowled at Kerry and said "i think that is one of those exajerashuns." CNN has footage of him saying what he denied stating.

PS-There is also the whole WMD situation. That is unless someone found some!
 
ItsGavinC said:
BTW, Bush has Florida and Ohio in the bag--the show is over.

dont forget california's fifty-something votes...
 
ItsGavinC said:
Certainly not that I'm aware of. Would you care to elaborate?

Sure, my brother has ton's of sites with information on that. I will get back to you, as I have more important things to do than keep track of politicians and their lies.
 
edkNARF said:
PS-There is also the whole WMD situation. That is unless someone found some!

True, true...

ItsGavinC said:
BTW, Bush has Florida and Ohio in the bag--the show is over.

Curious - I'm watching the local news and the professional pundits, with not all of the ballots counted, say it's still too close to call.
 
When all said and done. Bush will crush Kerry. Florida is definately going to Bush. Looks like the same for Ohio. Bye bye Kerry.
 
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