AA totally out of control?

[hucm2009]

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Please don't call me out of my name. Can you hold an intelligent converstion without the insults?

No he can't. earlier in the thread, he referred to us as black a##holes, which is probably the reason why he is on probationary status.

 

[hucm2009]

How does this support AA? It seems if anything it supports the argument for quality of care, not advancement of a socio-political agenda.

And that study is laughable, try correcting for income, SES and urban vs. rural locations. Yes, poor people receive lower quality health care than the rich, everyone knows that already!

AA does nothing to address the inequity of healthcare delivery if one was to even assume healthcare is a basic right.

The study states earlier ALL of the patients had health insurance, therefore ability to pay. This supports AA, because this and countless other studies show that these disparities are because of race and race alone

 

[ether^O^]

Please don't call me out of my name. Can you hold an intelligent converstion without the insults?

The insult was directed at riceman, not you, lol

 

[LADoc00]

The study states earlier ALL of the patients had health insurance, therefore ability to pay. This supports AA, because this and countless other studies show that these disparities are because of race and race alone

Look up MLK hospital in Watts, see what damage a whole school founded on AA rather than quality care can wreak on its populace. The number of needless deaths there range in hundreds to the thousands. Sad.

Stop the needless killing, stop AA.

 

[hucm2009]

How does this support AA? It seems if anything it supports the argument for quality of care, not advancement of a socio-political agenda.

And that study is laughable, try correcting for income, SES and urban vs. rural locations. Yes, poor people receive lower quality health care than the rich, everyone knows that already!

AA does nothing to address the inequity of healthcare delivery if one was to even assume healthcare is a basic right.

I am total proponent of getting the best physicians into minority and rural communities to improve care. Martin Luther King hospital is a perfect example of what happens when greed and political agendas are put AHEAD of patients:

Where in this post does it say AA caused these deaths???

 

[ClassiMD]

How does this support AA? It seems if anything it supports the argument for quality of care, not advancement of a socio-political agenda.

And that study is laughable, try correcting for income, SES and urban vs. rural locations. Yes, poor people receive lower quality health care than the rich, everyone knows that already!

AA does nothing to address the inequity of healthcare delivery if one was to even assume healthcare is a basic right.

I am total proponent of getting the best physicians into minority and rural communities to improve care. Martin Luther King hospital is a perfect example of what happens when greed and political agendas are put AHEAD of patients:

Go to a large city! You will see that the majority of the black patients are poor! So if you include wealth, the majority will stiff be suffering from poor health care. If you studied public health in school you would know that the rich and educated minorities are less likely to preventable heatcare ie. cardiovascular problems related to the stats i cited. But in fact the research I read did indicate that wealth did not improve healthcare. Race has EVERYTHING to do with it my friend.

 

[LADoc00]

Where in this post does it say AA caused these deaths???

AA=death. Its that simple. Good doctors=quality care.

In the first two articles, and in earlier pieces I have heard on television or read, there is a suggestion that the staff at MLK is either demoralized and not dedicated to their work, or incompetent. To say that, about the city's only largely Black-run hospital is to confront issues of racism and affirmative action. Lots of affect. So we need to allow the affect to be expressed, which we have already done to some extent in our support of the need for emergency care in the area. Now we need to ask what we mean, specifically, about demoralization and imcompetence.

In 1994, Aleta Clemons, a 42-year-old woman who went to King/Drew for a hysterectomy, was infused with blood that had tested positive for the AIDS virus. But no one had bothered to check the test results.

In 1998, Blanca Maldonado, 52, drank a glass of tissue preservative, a poisonous chemical mixture accidentally left on her hospital bed stand by a doctor in training. She staggered to the closest nursing station, pleaded for help and died a short time later.

 

[hucm2009]

Look up MLK hospital in Watts, see what damage a whole school founded on AA rather than quality care can wreak on its populace. The number of needless deaths there range in hundreds to the thousands. Sad.

Stop the needless killing, stop AA.

Ha, dude you are hilarious. You keep bringing up incidents that cant reflect on a whole system. Its funny that you think an MCAT score and grades in meaningless classes in undergrad have anything to do with ones abililty to be a good doctor. Come on, your a doctor already right? Was the mcat really a test of how great of a doctor you are???

 

[LADoc00]

Race has EVERYTHING to do with it my friend.

Yes, and black, white, asian and hispanic patients deserve the BEST. nothing less.

 

[hucm2009]

By your reasoning I could once again post all of the white doctors who've killed somebody. That DOESNT reflect on the current system though right? but black doctors killing somebody does? that wouldnt make sense now would it. LOL boy Im glad your a pathologist and have no human contact

 

[ether^O^]

HAHAHA that question is hilarious. Im proud to be black so I would stay black. Im assuming most would say asian though, because black people have to put up with people like you, who think asians are genetically smarter


replying to an URM
or maybe

WRONG! Most people in this country would rather be a smart & rich African American male than a smart & rich Asian American male, because black males have many more opportunities open to them. If you refuse to believe me, just ask people. Most would agree with me. Black males have more opporunities in all aspects of society in this country than Asian males.

 

[ClassiMD]

AA=death. Its that simple. Good doctors=quality care.

I'm gonna to stop talking to you because the ignorance is immense. And you're actually starting to sound a little racist over there. Anyhow, your avatar says praise Jesus. Please don't misrepresent my God by insulting a race of people that HE created.


The last post was confusing, I meant:
I meant wealthy and educated minorities are less likely to be hospitalized for preventable diseases. So the black that are being treated are mostly poor. Which is the population likely suffering the most for poor healthcare on the part of these physicians.

 

[LADoc00]

Ha, dude you are hilarious. You keep bringing up incidents that cant reflect on a whole system. Its funny that you think an MCAT score and grades in meaningless classes in undergrad have anything to do with ones abililty to be a good doctor. Come on, your a doctor already right? Was the mcat really a test of how great of a doctor you are???

that I agree 100% with..all med school adcom needs to be seriously revised, unfortunately I dont have a good idea of what to replace it with. Something intensely grueling tho that proves your dedication to medicine, hence why I brought up the military thing. If you are willing to go to Iraq and get your ass shot off by crazies AND you have at least average intelligence, then I figure you have adequately proved yourself.

 

[ether^O^]

Ha, dude you are hilarious. You keep bringing up incidents that cant reflect on a whole system. Its funny that you think an MCAT score and grades in meaningless classes in undergrad have anything to do with ones abililty to be a good doctor. Come on, your a doctor already right? Was the mcat really a test of how great of a doctor you are???

Look, why would all medical schools use GPA and MCAT as indicators for success as a medical student and physician? You can't tell me that you're smarter than ALL the adcom members in ALL the medical schools of this country, right? The MLK hospital shutdown is PERFECT example of the failure of AA and institutions like Howard & Morehouse for black med students. Their AVERAGE MCAT is 24 and AVERAGE GPA is 3.3. If GPA and MCAT scores are good indicators of success as a physician (which all adcom members agree with), then URM patients are in trouble.

 

[hucm2009]

WRONG! Most people in this country would rather be a smart & rich African American male than a smart & rich Asian American male, because black males have many more opportunities open to them. If you refuse to believe me, just ask people. Most would agree with me. Black males have more opporunities in all aspects of society in this country than Asian males.

Are you kidding me?? Black males are probably the most looked down upon population in the US! If we have money, its assumed we are basketball players or drug dealers. If we dont, we are lazy. If we are smart, we are one of those smart black people. If not, its our fault. When ive walked through labs with my white coat on, people look at me and wonder why the black guy has a white coat on. Is he a janitor? But hey, i love it all. like i said it motivates me

 

[LADoc00]

I'm gonna to stop talking to you because the ignorance is immense. And you're actually starting to sound a little racist over there. Anyhow, your avatar says praise Jesus. Please don't misrepresent my God by insulting a race of people that HE created.


The last post was confusing, I meant:
I meant wealthy and educated minorities are less likely to be hospitalized for preventable diseases. So the black that are being treated are mostly poor. Which is the population likely suffering the most for poor healthcare on the part of these physicians.

The problem is AA doesnt adequately separate URMs who will be die-hard dedicated docs from screw offs who partied during undergrad and hence have an real reason for a lower GPA..if you can devise a different, better admissions criteria, I would go for it. As it is now, the system is absurd.

 

[ether^O^]

AA=death. Its that simple. Good doctors=quality care.

It's tragic, isn't it? And the people who support AA are adding to this madness.

 

[ClassiMD]

WRONG! Most people in this country would rather be a smart & rich African American male than a smart & rich Asian American male, because black males have many more opportunities open to them. If you refuse to believe me, just ask people. Most would agree with me. Black males have more opporunities in all aspects of society in this country than Asian males.

Yeah, I totally say where you were going with that. People think that being african american is easy. I'm not going to begin to share my experiences and the things I've overcome to get to where I am because you all are not open-minded. But I will say this, people like me that work hard and overcome do so because I had good parenting and faith in God to make it through. I've seen a lot of people fall short when their environments get the best of them. They are many privileged african americans, and these are people that mostly make it into professional school, but things are changing

 

[hucm2009]

Look, why would all medical schools use GPA and MCAT as indicators for success as a medical student and physician? You can't tell me that you're smarter than ALL the adcom members in ALL the medical schools of this country, right? The MLK hospital shutdown is PERFECT example of the failure of AA and institutions like Howard & Morehouse for black med students. Their AVERAGE MCAT is 24 and AVERAGE GPA is 3.3. If GPA and MCAT scores are good indicators of success as a physician (which all adcom members agree with), then URM patients are in trouble.

Wow, i guess its just the premed mentality that the MCAT is the be all and end all. Once you get into med school youll realize that undergrad and the MCAT have almost nothing to do with what your doing in med school. You go through all the undergrad information in 2 weeks and never see it again. Adcoms simply use it because its the only thing they have to use. This is why more tests are in place after the mcat, i.e. usmle step 1, 2, and 3. Pass these and your considered competent enough to practice medicine. Ask LADOC, he's a doctor already, if you dont believe a lowly med student

 

[LADoc00]

Are you kidding me?? Black males are probably the most looked down upon population in the US! If we have money, its assumed we are basketball players or drug dealers. If we dont, we are lazy. If we are smart, we are one of those smart black people. If not, its our fault. When ive walked through labs with my white coat on, people look at me and wonder why the black guy has a white coat on. Is he a janitor? But hey, i love it all. like i said it motivates me

No self pity here, please! there are TONS of very well respected Black Americans who define the very ideals of dedication and courage. I really hate that mentality, have some flippin pride FFS.

 

[ether^O^]

Are you kidding me?? Black males are probably the most looked down upon population in the US! If we have money, its assumed we are basketball players or drug dealers. If we dont, we are lazy. If we are smart, we are one of those smart black people. If not, its our fault. When ive walked through labs with my white coat on, people look at me and wonder why the black guy has a white coat on. Is he a janitor? But hey, i love it all. like i said it motivates me

Um...you haven't answered my challenge and asked people (of all races). Black males in this power have more power in the media (and thus, a greater ability to attract the opposite sex), politics, and other areas of American society than Asians in the USA. You can't deny that. Asians have more money. So what? We're still voiceless in this country.

 

[hucm2009]

No self pity here, please! there are TONS of very well respected Black Americans who define the very ideals of dedication and courage. I really hate that mentality, have some flippin pride FFS.

I have no self pity at all. Like I said Im proud of who I am. HE"S the who asked the question what would you rather be, and I told him the reality of being a black male in america

 

[LADoc00]

Um...you haven't answered my challenge and asked people (of all races). Black males in this power have more power in the media (and thus, a greater ability to attract the opposite sex), politics, and other areas of American society than Asians in the USA. You can't deny that. Asians have more money. So what? We're still voiceless in this country.

Lets not descend into a debate on who has a it harder in America...being Asian has serious advantages, for one lots of Asian women in California are serious hotties. For two, you arent driving around on the weekend lost trying to figure out where to get some dim sum, you already know where.

 

[ClassiMD]

The problem is AA doesnt adequately separate URMs who will be die-hard dedicated docs from screw offs who partied during undergrad and hence have an real reason for a lower GPA..if you can devise a different, better admissions criteria, I would go for it. As it is now, the system is absurd.

So why don't you do something about it instead of insulting people. Anyday, I'd prefer a disadvantaged applicant that overcame impossible odds over someone who's had a silver spoon, despite the race, because it indicates perserverence. All I have been saying all this time, is that there is a health gap, increasing admission of URMs can help close that gap. I don't care if a few underserving people get into med school if tens of thousands of people get to live. I don't care it that one kid gets picked over, for someone else, i just don;t care. Its a cost-benefit analysis and I don't understand why more people think tens of thousands of lives are worth less than 1 kid getting picked over. If he's good enough he'll get in.

And this goes for alot of professions. Its been shown that more innocent black men get wrongly accused or executed over other races. So I say, increase the numbers of black lawyers and justices that won't stereotype or be prejudiced against them. A man getting executed is more important than some admission, esp if the kid gets admitted somewhere else anyway. Maybe I being dramatic, but this is too real for me

 

[BlackDr2b]

You think it is easy being an African American male in this country. I can't do anything without being looked at crazy or talked about. It is a constant struggle. But because I serve a mighty God I am making it through. We don't get doors opened for us, if anything they are closed in our face. That's why we have to work hard to get what we want. We as african American males have to work 10 times as hard as everybody else just to get the minimum. And even when we do work hard we still get talked about and discredited by people like you and the others in this forum. I work hard everyday and don't ask for nothin.

 

[ether^O^]

Wow, i guess its just the premed mentality that the MCAT is the be all and end all. Once you get into med school youll realize that undergrad and the MCAT have almost nothing to do with what your doing in med school. You go through all the undergrad information in 2 weeks and never see it again. Adcoms simply use it because its the only thing they have to use. This is why more tests are in place after the mcat, i.e. usmle step 1, 2, and 3. Pass these and your considered competent enough to practice medicine. Ask LADOC, he's a doctor already, if you dont believe a lowly med student

And your undergrad GPA and MCAT have strong correlations with your scores on the USMLE and your medical school grades. Good job. 👍

 

[ClassiMD]

Lets not descend into a debate on who has a it harder in America...being Asian has serious advantages, for one lots of Asian women in California are serious hotties. For two, you arent driving around on the weekend lost trying to figure out where to get some dim sum, you already know where.

I'm not getting into a debate. I said it's not comparable. I didn't place in value judgement on that statement. Or say that we have it worst, even If i did believe that was so, all I'm saying are the cultures are different and it will take a different approach to ammending our problems.

 

[hucm2009]

And your undergrad GPA and MCAT have strong correlations with your scores on the USMLE and your medical school grades. Good job. 👍

So then this disproves your whole point 🙄. EVERY licensed doctor has to pass the USMLE, correct? Therefore, by the definition of the USMLE tests, they are COMPETENT enough to practice medicine. Those who made it into med school that werent good enough were weeded out and failed out of med school and/or failed the boards. Those that passed the boards proved that they have the intelligence and drive and knowledge to be a competent doctor. Therefore I am not worried about what the stats of someone are going into a school, Im concerned with them getting out the school succesfully and passing the standardized board tests.

 

[ether^O^]

You think it is easy being an African American male in this country. I can't do anything without being looked at crazy or talked about. It is a constant struggle. But because I serve a mighty God I am making it through. We don't get doors opened for us, if anything they are closed in our face. That's why we have to work hard to get what we want. We as african American males have to work 10 times as hard as everybody else just to get the minimum. And even when we do work hard we still get talked about and discredited by people like you and the others in this forum. I work hard everyday and don't ask for nothin.

Ok, I'm going to end this stupid discussion, because it's not what this thread was about, but answer this: What is the % of politicians (that hold considerable power) that are Asian, and what's the % that are black/hispanic? How many Black males do you see on tv that are portrayed postively, and how many Asian males do you see on tv that are portrayed positively (or even on tv at all)? How many adcom people in medical schools are black, and how many are Asian (even with the huge disparity in # of Asians vs. blacks in med schools)? How many deans of schools are Asian, and how many are Black? I can go on and on. I never said being a black dude was easy, but it's sure as hell not harder than being an Asian dude.

 

[MarzMD]

This thread is utterly disgusting and I dont even know why the moderators are keeping this crap open.

 

[ether^O^]

So then this disproves your whole point 🙄. EVERY licensed doctor has to pass the USMLE, correct? Therefore, by the definition of the USMLE tests, they are COMPETENT enough to practice medicine. Those who made it into med school that werent good enough were weeded out and failed out of med school and/or failed the boards. Those that passed the boards proved that they have the intelligence and drive and knowledge to be a competent doctor.

And what's the pass rate of URMs? Of ORMs/whites?

 

[Rafa]

This thread is utterly disgusting and I dont even know why the moderators are keeping this crap open.

Three guesses...

 

[hucm2009]

Ok, I'm going to end this stupid discussion, because it's not what this thread was about, but answer this: What is the % of politicians (that hold considerable power) that are Asian, and what's the % that are black/hispanic? How many Black males do you see on tv that are portrayed postively, and how many Asian males do you see on tv that are portrayed positively (or even on tv at all)? How many adcom people in medical schools are black, and how many are Asian (even with the huge disparity in # of Asians vs. blacks in med schools)? How many deans of schools are Asian, and how many are Black? I can go on and on. I never said being a black dude was easy, but it's sure as hell not harder than being an Asian dude.

LOL. The only stereotype of asians is they are smart. The stereotype of black people are that they are dumb. The only positive black person that I see on tv is Barack Obama. all the rest are rappers, and the educated general public doesnt hold rappers in a positive light.

 

[colbgw02]

1) i would choose to be an asian-american male over an african-american male in this country in a landslide. seriously, i wouldn't even have to give it a second thought. i am considered by most to be white, by the way, even though i'm technically not.

2) to all the folks quoting statistics about healthcare disparities, you are definitely right, even after you correct for socioeconomic, insurance, or education level status. we shouldn't assume that it's 100% the fault of the physicians though. some of that has to do with mistrust of the establishment by the patients, which can't really be blamed (just) on the docs.

3) to the people who are saying that AA equals death - first of all, i doubt you can really prove that; i think you're just being melodramatic. second of all, one could easily argue that an underserved population deserves some degree of healthcare, even if that care comes from someone (who you deem to be) not as capable.

 

[ClassiMD]

And your undergrad GPA and MCAT have strong correlations with your scores on the USMLE and your medical school grades. Good job. 👍

Well,lets say hypothetically that my admissions advisor told African Americans to aim for a 24, which she did. And some people of my school buy into it, one guys studies, and gets a 28. And then the student decides to retake the MCAT only for the admissions person to insist that its good enough and not to retake the exam, which she did. Is this person less qualified to be a doctor than anyone else since his score is below average? This sort of thing happens all the time. In fact you all are doing it right now. I'm not making up an excuse, or trying to generalize, or say that this is the norm, but would he be less qualified?

Nevermind, I'm tired of this convo, off to do better things with my life

 

[hucm2009]

And what's the pass rate of URMs? Of ORMs/whites?

Pass rates mean nothing when talking about a competent doctor. If you PASS, you are COMPETENT. Therefore, all of the minorites that have PASSED and become doctors are competent. Is that really that hard to understand?

 

[ether^O^]

So why don't you do something about it instead of insulting people. Anyday, I'd prefer a disadvantaged applicant that overcame impossible odds over someone who's had a silver spoon, despite the race, because it indicates perserverence. All I have been saying all this time, is that there is a health gap, increasing admission of URMs can help close that gap. I don't care if a few underserving people get into med school if tens of thousands of people get to live. I don't care it that one kid gets picked over, for someone else, i just don;t care. Its a cost-benefit analysis and I don't understand why more people think tens of thousands of lives are worth less than 1 kid getting picked over. If he's good enough he'll get in.

And this goes for alot of professions. Its been shown that more innocent black men get wrongly accused or executed over other races. So I say, increase the numbers of black lawyers and justices that won't stereotype or be prejudiced against them. A man getting executed is more important than some admission, esp if the kid gets admitted somewhere else anyway. Maybe I being dramatic, but this is too real for me

Then why not admit all URMs who apply then? That would solve your problem, right? After speaking with an adcom member about the qualities that his school looks for in admitting people, he says about a 30 MCAT (at least), and about a 3.5 GPA (at least)...and this is a very average medical school (rankings wise). Morehouse and Howard have a 3.3 Average GPA and 24/25 average MCAT. Are they qualified? You tell me.

 

[LADoc00]

So why don't you do something about it

Because I have a real job, I cant spend my time thinking of ways to improve society, when would I then have time to relax and drink fine wines?

I dont have an answer about what to replace admissions with but it needs to be something character testing, something like Denzel Washington's character in Glory or Jamie Fox in Jarhead, of course I dont know how to translate that into use for the masses, but thats the thought.

 

[LADoc00]

1) i would choose to be an asian-american male over an african-american male in this country in a landslide. seriously, i wouldn't even have to give it a second thought..

dunno bro, are we considering penis size to be the same? or not. that does matter.

 

[hucm2009]

Then why not admit all URMs who apply then? That would solve your problem, right? After speaking with an adcom member about the qualities that his school looks for in admitting people, he says about a 30 MCAT (at least), and about a 3.5 GPA (at least)...and this is a very average medical school (rankings wise). Morehouse and Howard have a 3.3 Average GPA and 24/25 average MCAT. Are they qualified? You tell me.

If they pass the boards and make it out they are qualified. When your a doctor are you going to tell patients your MCAT score and undergrad GPA Sorry buddy they mean nothing when you are a doctor. I really can't believe that im reading that MCAT scores are what make you a qualified doctor

 

[ClassiMD]

1) i would choose to be an asian-american male over an african-american male in this country in a landslide. seriously, i wouldn't even have to give it a second thought. i am considered by most to be white, by the way, even though i'm technically not.

2) to all the folks quoting statistics about healthcare disparities, you are definitely right, even after you correct for socioeconomic, insurance, or education level status. we shouldn't assume that it's 100% the fault of the physicians though. some of that has to do with mistrust of the establishment by the patients, which can't really be blamed (just) on the docs.

3) to the people who are saying that AA equals death - first of all, i doubt you can really prove that; i think you're just being melodramatic. second of all, one could easily argue that an underserved population deserves some degree of healthcare, even if that care comes from someone (who you deem to be) not as capable.

I can't argue against that. It is due to mistrust to some extent. But this is a public health problem that needs to be addressed. Physicians need to learn about cultural competency so that we can still treat successfully despite issues of mistrusts which stem from God knows where.

 

[BlackDr2b]

Ok, I'm going to end this stupid discussion, because it's not what this thread was about, but answer this: What is the % of politicians (that hold considerable power) that are Asian, and what's the % that are black/hispanic? How many Black males do you see on tv that are portrayed postively, and how many Asian males do you see on tv that are portrayed positively (or even on tv at all)? How many adcom people in medical schools are black, and how many are Asian (even with the huge disparity in # of Asians vs. blacks in med schools)? How many deans of schools are Asian, and how many are Black? I can go on and on. I never said being a black dude was easy, but it's sure as hell not harder than being an Asian dude.

That is the problem, black males are not portrayed positively on tv. Either we are rappers who are in trouble, we are gang bangers killing people, we are drug dealers. They don't show the positive things going on in the black community. C'mon man, you can't be serious right now. I couldn't tell you how many adcom people are any race because I am not there yet. I'm not going to sit here and argue who has it worse. It's just like it was said earlier, your struggle is completely different from my struggle. You can't compare them. I don't know what it is like to be asian and I will never know. I know what it's like to be a black male in this country and like I said, it is a constant struggle! But I am not trippin because it only makes me stronger and it will only make me that much better of a physician. 😀

 

[colbgw02]

dunno bro, are we considering penis size to be the same? or not. that does matter.

i honestly hadn't considered that, but now that you mention it...

i would probably still choose asian, because i figure that i would have more money that way and be able to pay for the...um..."pick-me-up" surgery.

 

[ether^O^]

LOL. The only stereotype of asians is they are smart. The stereotype of black people are that they are dumb. The only positive black person that I see on tv is Barack Obama. all the rest are rappers, and the educated general public doesnt hold rappers in a positive light.

UHHHHH...have you seen 16 candles? Remember Long Duk Dong? Do you know William Hung, the freak? How about all those movies that depict Asians as gangsters or know Kung Fu? How many Asian Denzel Washingtons have you seen? How many Asian Will Smiths have you seen (both Will and Denzel are portrayed as extremely intelligent, honorable, and courageous people)?

 

[Rafa]

UHHHHH...have you seen 16 candles? Remember Long Duk Dong? Do you know William Hung, the freak? How about all those movies that depict Asians as gangsters or know Kung Fu? How many Asian Denzel Washingtons have you seen? How many Asian Will Smiths have you seen?

So you want to see more Asians in leading male roles? Why don't you write some letter to Hollywood and make it happen?

 

[ClassiMD]

Because I have a real job, I cant spend my time thinking of ways to improve society, when would I then have time to relax and drink fine wines?

I dont have an answer about what to replace admissions with but it needs to be something character testing, something like Denzel Washington's character in Glory or Jamie Fox in Jarhead, of course I dont know how to translate that into use for the masses, but thats the thought.

It seems you also don't care about innocent URMs who are dying, but what does that have to do with being a physician?

 

[ether^O^]

i honestly hadn't considered that, but now that you mention it...

i would probably still choose asian, because i figure that i would have more money that way and be able to pay for the...um..."pick-me-up" surgery.

LOL. See how it's OK to make fun of Asians for small penis size? How come it's not ok to talk about small brain sizes of Blacks then? Oh, I forgot, "life's not fair", haha

 

[BlackDr2b]

Then why not admit all URMs who apply then? That would solve your problem, right? After speaking with an adcom member about the qualities that his school looks for in admitting people, he says about a 30 MCAT (at least), and about a 3.5 GPA (at least)...and this is a very average medical school (rankings wise). Morehouse and Howard have a 3.3 Average GPA and 24/25 average MCAT. Are they qualified? You tell me.

The numbers for Howard and Morehouse are called averages for a reason you fool. Not everybody has those scores. Just like at the other schools not everybody has a 30 or 3.5. Do yall think before yall start typing? 😕

 

[Rafa]

LOL. See how it's OK to make fun of Asians for small penis size? How come it's not ok to talk about small brain sizes of Blacks then? Oh, I forgot, "life's not fair", haha

This is the kind of stuff people will read when they google pre-med student boards. Way to go, SDN!

 

[ClassiMD]

That is the problem, black males are not portrayed positively on tv. Either we are rappers who are in trouble, we are gang bangers killing people, we are drug dealers. They don't show the positive things going on in the black community. C'mon man, you can't be serious right now. I couldn't tell you how many adcom people are any race because I am not there yet. I'm not going to sit here and argue who has it worse. It's just like it was said earlier, your struggle is completely different from my struggle. You can't compare them. I don't know what it is like to be asian and I will never know. I know what it's like to be a black male in this country and like I said, it is a constant struggle! But I am not trippin because it only makes me stronger and it will only make me that much better of a physician. 😀

Say that!!