Where is this box that I have to check? All I see is a box for previously matriculated. I dont think that counts.
Accepted but thinking about reapplying...
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Where is this box that I have to check? All I see is a box for previously matriculated. I dont think that counts.
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I could be wrong, but I've heard that if SOMs find out that you were accepted to a SOM and declined then that will seriously hurt your next cycle.
for what its worth, I called AMCAS and explained my situation and the lady said
"right now only the school I am accepted to can see my acceptances. After April 1st other schools can see the acceptances. If I were to reapply schools dont receive the previous years data and she said no school will know I was accepted"
hope she is right!
"right now only the school I am accepted to can see my acceptances. After April 1st other schools can see the acceptances. If I were to reapply schools dont receive the previous years data and she said no school will know I was accepted"
hope she is right!
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nvm
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Edit: Agreeing with Def1 that you're pretty stubborn. Go ahead and cast the dice. And you should probably not come back here seeking suggestions again, seeing as how you're not really receptive to any.
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Probably, but there's no way they can find out about past cycles.
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Schools (which you have been accepted to) have access to your other acceptances from the current cycle. They also have access to the National Acceptance Report which lists all prior acceptances from past cycles.
Source: AAMC.org
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Edit: Agreeing with Def1 that you're pretty stubborn. Go ahead and cast the dice. And you should probably not come back here seeking suggestions again, seeing as how you're not really receptive to any.
No.
Even if we pretend those definitions are the final word, they do not show that OP fits the definition of matriculation.
Based on your choice to define admit and matriculate, I assume you are trying to claim that OP matriculated under definition two of matriculation, being admitted to membership in a university. The definitions you posted say that admit=accept=confess to be true. Under your definitions, OP has not been accepted to medical school since no medical school can currently claim it to be true that OP is a member of that school.
A more reasonable definition would be the one posted by the AAMC in their guidebook
"Previous Matriculation: You have matriculated as a medical school student if you accepted an offer of admission
(and did not withdraw) or you registered for classes, whether or not you actually attended
classes"
Under that definition, OP never matriculated and as such would be accidentally falsifying his application if he claims to have matriculated.
can you post the link to the direct part?
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Ew, man. I completely understand being concerned about finances. I come from a family situation poor enough to qualify for FAP, worked on my own without support from my parents for a few years, etc. But come ON. Do you want to be a physician or don't you?
Why would you ever turn down a sure thing to gamble on another application cycle? Among all of these questions you are now asking (will other schools find out that I got in this year, will I get in to my state school, will my new MCAT score help me get in to a better school), you are forgetting that the primary question is Do I Get To Be A Doctor, and jeopardizing that to save a few bucks in ten years that probably won't affect your standard of living seems absurd to me.
You do seem, as others have said, extremely set on this decision. IMHO, there will be harder things to swallow on the road to becoming a physician than debt. If you aren't willing to stomach this, you have to ask yourself how you will deal with the other challenges down the road.
Why would you ever turn down a sure thing to gamble on another application cycle? Among all of these questions you are now asking (will other schools find out that I got in this year, will I get in to my state school, will my new MCAT score help me get in to a better school), you are forgetting that the primary question is Do I Get To Be A Doctor, and jeopardizing that to save a few bucks in ten years that probably won't affect your standard of living seems absurd to me.
You do seem, as others have said, extremely set on this decision. IMHO, there will be harder things to swallow on the road to becoming a physician than debt. If you aren't willing to stomach this, you have to ask yourself how you will deal with the other challenges down the road.
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Schools (which you have been accepted to) have access to your other acceptances from the current cycle. They also have access to the National Acceptance Report which lists all prior acceptances from past cycles.
Source: AAMC.org
https://www.aamc.org/students/download/328300/data/2014amcasadvisorqa.pdf
Source: AAMC.org
https://www.aamc.org/students/download/328300/data/2014amcasadvisorqa.pdf
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https://www.aamc.org/students/download/328300/data/2014amcasadvisorqa.pdf
Edit: mnhockeyfan is a faster Googler than I.
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if I withdraw prior to april 1st would I be on this database? I wonder if the AMCAS lady I called really knows this info?
according to another powerpoint:
The National Acceptance Report (April 1)
This report lists all applicants with a current Acceptance or Matriculated action
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I feel like there must be more to this situation. Are the finances really your only concern here? If so, as I mentioned previously, the extra debt you accumulate can be substantially offset by having that extra year of an attending's salary. Is there something else?
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You sound like you've already made up your mind to reapply next year. I don't blame you. Just be aware that there is no guarantee that you'll be accepted (although you have decent stats). Good luck! 
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This is a terrible idea. There's no guarantee of getting in again and you won't have much of a chance when admissions offices see that you got into a medical school and didn't attend. It will definitely make them question how serious you are about being a doctor.
You sound like you've already made up your mind to reapply next year. I don't blame you. Just be aware that there is no guarantee that you'll be accepted (although you have decent stats). Good luck!
thanks, I think the biggest question is the wording of withdrawing prior to april 1st what happens. I just don't want to have that stigma attached to me.
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If you get accepted to a school next year, they will see your acceptance from this year. With that information, they have the right to withdraw their offer. I'm not sure withdrawing your acceptance before April 1st would help.
OP, take the acceptance from this year and be happy.
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In my opinion, reapplying is a mistake, and a gamble. Also I would just assume that the other schools will see your acceptance because it does seem likely. Also, the April 1st deadline is mainly for schools seeing your acceptance this cycle. That being said, your stats are good enough, that you'd probably get in if you apply again.
Did you get interviews at your state schools? If not, what makes you think you'd be accepted even with applying early? What state are you in? I hope its not CA. Also I would not assume to get in at any specific school, a lot of times the application cycle is very unpredictable.
As far as the money goes, its a weak reason, as others have mentioned, but family and general happiness vs utter misery is at least an OK reason. Be careful though, family may complicate things, and med school is a big commitment that requires general selfishness with regards to your time/studying.
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Your re-application will inevitably include schools that ask about the outcome of your previous application cycle in the secondary (in addition to the required questions from AMCAS). You have two choices: tell the truth (in which case you look like there's an entitlement issue), avoid the truth and risk discovery and reversal of acceptance (should one be forthcoming). In any case, a reapplication is never seen in the same light as a first application. Everyone will want to know why you "didn't get in" last cycle.
There is a stigma attached to a re-application after acceptance,
how would I be on that list if i withdraw prior to april 1st tho?
guess i'll call up and ask.
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I would reapply if no school would see your prior acceptance. $320K of medical school debt (plus ugrad debt?) that compounds with deferment to $375K+ by the time you finish residency is ridiculous. A 30 to a 35 score increase is huge. Good luck.
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Even if they dont find out, how can you be so sure of an acceptance next year. A 35 doesn't guarantee you one. If you only got one acceptance (how many ii?), its possible there is some other hindrance to you're app then just applying late because a 30 is a decent score and should have got you at least some interviews. Its hard to fix an application in one year.
I'm not saying you won't get in or that you haven't significantly improved your app, but its still a big risk.
You've already made up your mind though, I just hope it doesn't come back to bite you.
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op, definitely would agree >300k is not worth it for medical school. Add on interest, years in residency, high tax bracket, declining salaries makes a recipe for disaster. Obamacare is putting a tremendous downward pressure on salaries while tuition continues to rise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/u...on-medicaid-payments-administration-says.html
Honestly people should not even apply to stupid expensive schools. That will then put pressure to lower tuition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/u...on-medicaid-payments-administration-says.html
Honestly people should not even apply to stupid expensive schools. That will then put pressure to lower tuition.
How much income on average comes from medicaid patients?
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Possibly the most useful post in the thread since we are now sure that schools can see prior acceptances rather than just taking people's word for it.
With that in mind, I also highly suggest the OP take his current acceptance since unless he can come up with a better reason than money for not matriculating, it does not look good.
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An increasingly growing number. The affordable Care act effectively expands medicaid.
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Don't forget interest...
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Just reapply.
You can explain your situation if they inquire. It might raise some eye brows. But this sense of banishment for turning down an acceptance, lol really?
Situations change. Adcoms are people, believe it or not.
You can explain your situation if they inquire. It might raise some eye brows. But this sense of banishment for turning down an acceptance, lol really?
Situations change. Adcoms are people, believe it or not.
Looks like it's more work for the same pay then. Wonder how many more strings are attached to the ACA...
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More work for less pay with a higher debt to service and more midlevels who will make mistakes that you are responsible for. Enjoy.
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We'll see about that.
I mean, the reimbursement couldn't get any lower..that's for sure.
If your state school is a CA school, I would definitely not drop you acceptance. Getting into a CA school as a resident, even with good stats, is by no means a guarantee. I'm a CA resident, hispanic, interviewed at a top 10 school, but didn't get a single CA interview.
Good luck with the decision! Maybe check with your advisor at your school?
Good luck with the decision! Maybe check with your advisor at your school?
my state is FL.
and my advisor was pretty useless in terms of knowledge. He told me 70,000 people take the mcat each admission and its each test is graded relative to how others do.
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I would wait and see what sort of financial aid package you get. Start looking into any type of scholarship that may be available to you and the various repayment programs. If you are willing to spend time in the military, HPSP becomes a very good financial decision once you reach the level of debt you are looking at (in my opinion).
To me, not being able to finance an education is one of the few worthwhile reasons for turning down an acceptance. If you are able to attend your less expensive state school it would be worth waiting the year. However, there are no guarantees you will be able to receive an acceptance from a future cycle. Would you be ok with never becoming a physician? If not, it may be better to sacrifice your quality of life for the 10 year repayment post residency and go to the expensive school.
i'm 99% sure id get into at least one FL school. I fixed some holes in my application and have a much higher MCAT.
Problem is this whole stigma of being on this April 1st list, will I be on it if I withdraw prior to april 1st.
Going to call tmr and see whats up.
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Yeah, what's with that? Similar story for me, only 1 CA interview.
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Simple. 5000 applicants from CA, about 1000 allopathic positions. About 800 go to IS applicants. About 1600 have to leave the state.
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I guess I knew that. CA is like the prettiest girl at the dance.
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99% I get in IF schools don't know I have been accepted. Lower odds if thy know
Here is what the amcas told me.
Thank you for contacting AMCAS.
Schools will never know which other schools or how many other schools you applied to through AMCAS. In the spring of each application cycle (usually in early April), schools will have access to the Multiple Acceptance Report, which will show them which of their accepted applicants are holding acceptances from other schools.
For example, let's say you applied to schools A, B, X, and Y. You were accepted by A and B. When the Multiple Acceptance Report becomes available, schools A and B will both see that you have been offered acceptance at the other school. You were rejected by school X, so they won't see any information about where you were accepted. No action has been taken by school Y, so they won't see any information about where you were accepted. If school Y accepts you a week later, school Y will then see that you are holding offers from A and B, and A and B will know that you now have an offer from Y as well.
Thank you for contacting AMCAS.
Schools will never know which other schools or how many other schools you applied to through AMCAS. In the spring of each application cycle (usually in early April), schools will have access to the Multiple Acceptance Report, which will show them which of their accepted applicants are holding acceptances from other schools.
For example, let's say you applied to schools A, B, X, and Y. You were accepted by A and B. When the Multiple Acceptance Report becomes available, schools A and B will both see that you have been offered acceptance at the other school. You were rejected by school X, so they won't see any information about where you were accepted. No action has been taken by school Y, so they won't see any information about where you were accepted. If school Y accepts you a week later, school Y will then see that you are holding offers from A and B, and A and B will know that you now have an offer from Y as well.
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Called aamc today. The one lady I talked to didnt really know what I was talking about but I got transferred to an upper level team leader and he said the following
"The national acceptance report is generated on April 1st and only then can schools I'm not accepted to see my other acceptances. Since the list is generated on April 1st, if I withdraw my acceptance prior to April 1st my name won't be on the list. He said he guarantees it. However if I withdraw after April 1st then my name is permanently on that list"
The guy seemed to know exactly what I was talking about and was confident. Hope he's right
"The national acceptance report is generated on April 1st and only then can schools I'm not accepted to see my other acceptances. Since the list is generated on April 1st, if I withdraw my acceptance prior to April 1st my name won't be on the list. He said he guarantees it. However if I withdraw after April 1st then my name is permanently on that list"
The guy seemed to know exactly what I was talking about and was confident. Hope he's right
Wouldn't most students at private schools and OOS students have a near 300k cost? 50K/year tuition seems to be the norm, plus 15k/year for living, that adds up to almost 300k.
ik a girl who got accepted at 1 md school and was unhappy about the atmosphere/location of the school so she turned it down and reapplied this year. got into her number 1 choice (w an mcat retake I should add).
sad thing is, the 1 school she was accepted at last year is the school i'm choosing to attend next year over others lol. to each their own.
sad thing is, the 1 school she was accepted at last year is the school i'm choosing to attend next year over others lol. to each their own.
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You're Hispanic, have a 3.6+ engineering gpa, a 35 MCAT and have already been accepted at a school.
This is one of those rare instances where I'll say that I believe that you have an exceedingly high chance of being accepted by other schools next year if you apply as early as possible.
This is one of those rare instances where I'll say that I believe that you have an exceedingly high chance of being accepted by other schools next year if you apply as early as possible.
