How many of you attend a medical school where animals are used, and killed, in the labs?
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mancreatedgod said:i want to ask you a question, how many times you have helped those homeless people that you saw in your very own city?!
why do you care about saving animals' lives when you see LIVE PEOPLE are dying on the street everyday!!!
and would you rather to see your own beloved ones be saved because of a few animals were used to find cues to cue human diseases?
why are there idiots care about animals when they don't even try to save those homeless people suffering daily! what a shame! just like bush, he sent tons of money and soliders trying to "liberate" iraq when there are many many homeless people right in the washington DC. and there are many many inner city schools full of non-white students who don't even have a good education!
OldMD said:How many of you attend a medical school where animals are used, and killed, in the labs?
OldMD
OldMD said:How many of you attend a medical school where animals are used, and killed, in the labs?
OldMD
NMH2001 said:Do you happen to know the numbers of abused and stray animals in this country? Do you know why there is so may of them?? Sadly, it is because of people probably just like yourself who apparently, do not have a clue. Just my 2 cents...
mancreatedgod said:I am not ignorant, i am way beyond your level. to your kind of people, you probably think that a dying dog is more important than a dying homeless people.
why cares about stray animals, when i walk around the cities, I see STRAY people, some of them have to sleep outside even in winter time!
"it is because of people probably just like yourself who apprently, do not have a clue."
why don't you donate your money to the homeless shelters, or buy them some food?
i will fully support animal rights when there is no more homeless people in the world. that day will never come!
and for your kind of people, who cares about those animals, i know that around the world, there are many people who still do not have food, shelter. they are living like ANIMALS!
simply because there are those "lucky" animals that were born in the US, that does not make them special. simply because there are those people all over the world that were not born in the US, that does not make them less human. there are plenty homeless people in your city right now, and there are millions more unfortunate people that can't live like decent men/women.
who cares about animal experiments, they are used for good reasons!
kimmer, I totally agree with you. those animal "rights" are good at nothing, but harassing scientists. those people have nothing else better to do. for them, I want to say, go save some dying people first. People should be more important than some rats.
why do you care about saving animals' lives when you see LIVE PEOPLE are dying on the street everyday!!!
mancreatedgod said:I am not ignorant, i am way beyond your level. to your kind of people, you probably think that a dying dog is more important than a dying homeless people.
Old_Mil said:I challenge you to provide a reasonable argument why a dying dog is not more important than a dying person. It's my contention that most dying dogs are far more important than most dying people.
typeB-md said:dogs can't be used for work
therefore... homeless man (who has potential to work) > homeless dog
typeB-md said:dogs can't be used for work
therefore... homeless man (who has potential to work) > homeless dog
12R34Y said:I can't help, but make a horribly argument invoking, sure to get the thread closed down soon statement..............I think it is peculiar that most of the animal rights folks I know at my school are also ragingly pro-choice.
It always puzzled me how they are so against killing animals and pigs, dogs, etc...but they have no problem whatsoever with sucking out a baby at 15 weeks or doing a D&C at 20 weeks on a almost viable baby. That doesn't seem to bother them at all. I know I know...people will say it is different, but I'm sure they would still oppose taking fetal dogs and killing them etc....it is the same thing, but one is human and one is an animal?
just an observation from my own personal experiences and not to say that anyone on this thread is like that.
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Old_Mil said:First, dogs can be used for work. The customs service and DEA works with both gun and explosive sniffing dogs. Dogs are used by hunters and blind people as well. So it's incorrect to say that dogs don't work - many dogs work much harder than homeless people.
Furthermore, where did you get the idea that the worth of an organism is based on its potential to do work? Extending that idea to its logical conclusion, it would be fairly easy to start ranking human deaths in order of importance (ah, it doesn't matter so much that hundreds of thousands died in the tsunami in Southeast Asia...).
So once again, why is the death of a human more significant than the death of a dog? It would be my contention that you would be eliminating far more good from the planet if you got rid of half this world's dogs than half this world's humans.
What say you?
mancreatedgod said:I am not ignorant, i am way beyond your level. to your kind of people, you probably think that a dying dog is more important than a dying homeless people.
why cares about stray animals, when i walk around the cities, I see STRAY people, some of them have to sleep outside even in winter time!
"it is because of people probably just like yourself who apprently, do not have a clue."
why don't you donate your money to the homeless shelters, or buy them some food?
i will fully support animal rights when there is no more homeless people in the world. that day will never come!
and for your kind of people, who cares about those animals, i know that around the world, there are many people who still do not have food, shelter. they are living like ANIMALS!
simply because there are those "lucky" animals that were born in the US, that does not make them special. simply because there are those people all over the world that were not born in the US, that does not make them less human. there are plenty homeless people in your city right now, and there are millions more unfortunate people that can't live like decent men/women.
who cares about animal experiments, they are used for good reasons!
kimmer, I totally agree with you. those animal "rights" are good at nothing, but harassing scientists. those people have nothing else better to do. for them, I want to say, go save some dying people first. People should be more important than some rats.
Old_Mil said:I challenge you to provide a reasonable argument why a dying dog is not more important than a dying person. It's my contention that most dying dogs are far more important than most dying people.
OldMD said:OP here. Thanks for your responses; most people get the gist of my post.
When I differentiate between research and experiements, I am saying that research is performed to discover new things in science... but with experiments I am referring to just cutting a dog open, for the sake of observation, to see the heart beat, cut some nerves and stimulate various things... I personally cannot bear to see an animal sacrificed just for my own observation so I opted out of that phys lab. Really, it's doing stuff we already knew the answers to.
I am pretty sensitive when it comes to animals. Perhaps it's not a good quality. I realize that animal research is a necessary evil, but I don't want to think about it, or see it. Animals have no choices in their lives, as a previous poster said... it's a sensitive subject.
The security at my school is always heightened during phys dog lab week. And... the dean has decided to get rid of the dog lab, so it's no longer going to be part of the curriculum. I was just wondering what other schools do.
Peace and good digestive health,
OldMD
are you a vet or in vet school?Old_Mil said:I challenge you to provide a reasonable argument why a dying dog is not more important than a dying person. It's my contention that most dying dogs are far more important than most dying people.