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Ariee

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Hi Foot & Ankle doctor's,

Could you all edify me as to possible etiologies of an ankle click/snap/pop?

Thanks,
A

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Hi Foot & Ankle doctor's,

Could you all edify me as to possible etiologies of an ankle click/snap/pop?

Thanks,
A

Most clicks and pops are tendons that are snapping over each other or bone, ect. That is true in the hand, ankle, toes, ect. Most likely a peroneal tendons (longus, previs, tertius or quartus depending on the location) if it is the ankle.

Now if you are cracking your toes or knuckles that is different. That is freeing air within synovial fluid by dispalcing two bones.
 
The click or pop on the lateral aspect may be due to lateral ankle instability. Another cause is, in some people the groove on the lateral aspect where the peroneus longus and brevis tendons coarse, sometimes called the fibular tendons, may not be anatomically deep enough to accommodate the tendons and they may "pop out" from time to time. It would be important to determine if the "click or pop" is on the lateral side or the medial side. Medially, the big tendon to be concerned about is the posterial tibial, which can become damaged with over pronation, flat feet.

Podiatrically, limb length discrepancy should be determined and corrected with appropriate lifts on the shorter side. Lateral ankle instability may be corrected surgically or accommodated with appropriate bracing. Peroneus longus/brevis tendons can be manually put back into place, then use an ankle brace, partial weight bearing with crutches until it heals, or surgically corrected by deepening the groove on the lateral aspect of the ankle to allow more room for the tendons to move in. Posterial tibial tendon problems due to excessive pronation may need to be immobilized and orthotics are often a good option in this patient population. A high arch, or cavus foot type may benefit from arch supports too. The dorsal tendons are often taut in this foot type, on normal standing.

The main thing is to determine where in the foot the click is to determine the precise etiology and appropriate treatment options.
 
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Wow!!! THANK YOU to you both! Those are both really interesting facts!

Podpal- that is FASCINATING! I looked in some medical books I did not find anything as detailed as you describe! May I ask you to edify me further on an ankle snap that originates in the center of the ankle, if any such thing exists!

Thank you,
A:p
 
Probably need to do yourself a favor and go see a doctor, get XR/MRI, full workup, etc if you're fishing for info on your personal ankle condition. If you are just looking for info for a paper, knowledge, etc then Wheeless online is a decent quick, basic, and free reference for some more common ortho conditions:

http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/ankle_sprain
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/anterior_impingement_snydrome_of_the_ankle
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/Talus_Osteochondral_Lesions
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/peroneal_tendon_dislocation
 
The center of the ankle shows the ankle mortise view on radiograph, ie, X Ray. You may visualize a defect in the talar dome or damage to the talus or more proximally the tibia. You may check for any bone spurs. It's a good idea to start with plain film X Rays, rule out any kind of bony process that may cause the "click". If there's a bone spur present, resection of the protrusion may make the click go away, providing more comfort.

Evaluate the long extensor tendons over the dorsum of the ankle. Are they taut? Do they "click" upon ambulation? Something like this may need to be accommodated by orthotics, depending upon the foot type. Surgical corrections may elongate the tendons, if conservative care isn't enough of a correction. If it's a cavus foot type, however, evaluation of the cause of the concern, and surgical corrections and even conservative accommodations can be rather complex.

Does the click occur in a certain shoe type? The shoe laces may be too tight over the dorsum of the foot. Make sure the dorsum of the foot has enough room to function normally.

The achilles tendon may be too taut, evaluate the patient for equinus. If the click happens with a gastroc or gastroc soleus equinus, a heel lift such as a boot with a heel on it, and regular stretching of the achilles tendon, like a runner's stretch, may help quite a bit.
 
Probably need to do yourself a favor and go see a doctor, get XR/MRI, full workup, etc if you're fishing for info on your personal ankle condition. If you are just looking for info for a paper, knowledge, etc then Wheeless online is a decent quick, basic, and free reference for some more common ortho conditions:

http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/ankle_sprain
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/anterior_impingement_snydrome_of_the_ankle
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/Talus_Osteochondral_Lesions
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/peroneal_tendon_dislocation

Excellent websites, thank you :)

The center of the ankle shows the ankle mortise view on radiograph, ie, X Ray. You may visualize a defect in the talar dome or damage to the talus or more proximally the tibia. You may check for any bone spurs. It's a good idea to start with plain film X Rays, rule out any kind of bony process that may cause the "click". If there's a bone spur present, resection of the protrusion may make the click go away, providing more comfort.

Evaluate the long extensor tendons over the dorsum of the ankle. Are they taut? Do they "click" upon ambulation? Something like this may need to be accommodated by orthotics, depending upon the foot type. Surgical corrections may elongate the tendons, if conservative care isn't enough of a correction. If it's a cavus foot type, however, evaluation of the cause of the concern, and surgical corrections and even conservative accommodations can be rather complex.

Does the click occur in a certain shoe type? The shoe laces may be too tight over the dorsum of the foot. Make sure the dorsum of the foot has enough room to function normally.

The achilles tendon may be too taut, evaluate the patient for equinus. If the click happens with a gastroc or gastroc soleus equinus, a heel lift such as a boot with a heel on it, and regular stretching of the achilles tendon, like a runner's stretch, may help quite a bit.

Wow podpal, thank you! It took me some time to digest everything you've said, I had to look things up (big time!).

Thanks everyone for your great responses! So kind :)

Ariee
 
The center of the ankle shows the ankle mortise view on radiograph, ie, X Ray. You may visualize a defect in the talar dome or damage to the talus or more proximally the tibia. You may check for any bone spurs. It's a good idea to start with plain film X Rays, rule out any kind of bony process that may cause the "click". If there's a bone spur present, resection of the protrusion may make the click go away, providing more comfort.

Evaluate the long extensor tendons over the dorsum of the ankle. Are they taut? Do they "click" upon ambulation? Something like this may need to be accommodated by orthotics, depending upon the foot type. Surgical corrections may elongate the tendons, if conservative care isn't enough of a correction. If it's a cavus foot type, however, evaluation of the cause of the concern, and surgical corrections and even conservative accommodations can be rather complex.

Does the click occur in a certain shoe type? The shoe laces may be too tight over the dorsum of the foot. Make sure the dorsum of the foot has enough room to function normally.

The achilles tendon may be too taut, evaluate the patient for equinus. If the click happens with a gastroc or gastroc soleus equinus, a heel lift such as a boot with a heel on it, and regular stretching of the achilles tendon, like a runner's stretch, may help quite a bit.

Well stated advice (especially the shoes that are over tighten, very true but I didn't think of it) Just to turn this topic into a matter of debate and an opportunity to learn, here are a few open ended questions for any and all to address:

1) What evidence is there to support the use of orthosis in any lower extremity pathology?

2) What evidence is there to support stretching for posterior column (equinus) deformity?
 
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