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I was wodering what all can u do with the Doctor of Chiropractic degree. I know there is private practice or academic, but surely there is more. If anyone could send me a link to more options or a another thread that i missed or just comment i would like it...

thanks a bunch..
 
I wonder about that, too. I was a former DC and it doesn't seem like you could do much else besides what you mentioned. And if you want to be in "academia," the impression I have is that you'll pretty much be limited to chiropractic schools. Unless you want to teach high school. The DC degree doesn't seem to be recognized at most colleges/universities but I have no actual experience if this is the case or not... only second-hand/third-hand info on this.
 
I did see soem Anatomy and Physiology instructors/professors in community college holding a DC degree.
 
Get your DABCR and become a DC radiologist.
Go into the military as a medic and get your student loan paid off.
Work at a VA hospital.
 
pw079 said:
I was wodering what all can u do with the Doctor of Chiropractic degree. I know there is private practice or academic, but surely there is more. If anyone could send me a link to more options or a another thread that i missed or just comment i would like it...

thanks a bunch..


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pw079 said:
I was wodering what all can u do with the Doctor of Chiropractic degree. I know there is private practice or academic, but surely there is more. If anyone could send me a link to more options or a another thread that i missed or just comment i would like it...

thanks a bunch..

The DC degree is not recognized by colleges and universities as an academic degree. It may be recogized as a clinical degree, however, the person would not be eligble for a faculty position (tenure track). They might be hired as a staff person or adjuct instructor for a class that might fall within the DCs expertice. The only exception might be if the DC had authored a significant amount of research in credible journals. In this case the institution would be looking at the individual and would have nothing to do with the DC degree!
 
A DC could go further and get a DACBR as mentioned. They could also be a consultant for insurance companies, they could do claim reviews and IME's for insurance companies, teach at a Chiropractic College and other schools (I know a few that teach anatomy at the junior college), they could be a supplement rep or equipment rep or they could be a practice management guru. I know a guy that was hired by a medical group to do chiropractic and also rehab. They pay him a good salary and make a fortune off pimping him out. Out of all that I would rather be in private practice. Just a few ideas, there are probably other jobs available.

PS: There are a few DC's who claim to be "on staff, professor or instructor etc" at various universities but I'm not sure if that is entirely true. Dr. Yochum is one who claims to teach at university of colorado medical school. FF says he doesn't, so who knows. There has to be a connection because this guy is a very well respected chiropractic radiologist. He doesn't have to make things up to feel important.
 
BackTalk said:
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PS: There are a few DC's who claim to be "on staff, professor or instructor etc" at various universities but I'm not sure if that is entirely true. Dr. Yochum is one who claims to teach at university of colorado medical school. FF says he doesn't, .....


Dr. Yochum Honored by Students at U. of Colorado School of Medicine

Dr. Terry Yochum has been voted "Faculty of the Year" (sic) by the students of the University of Colorado School of Medicine's department of radiology. This is the sixth time that Dr. Yochum has received the award during his 10-year career at the University of Colorado. Only two faculty members have won this award twice, and Dr. Yochum is the only faculty member to receive the award two years in a row.

"It is so exciting to have Dr. Yochum in class," said student Sarah Schaefer. "His ability to inspire and motivate students is obvious from the first lecture you attend. I am not at all surprised that he continues to win this award."

Dr. Yochum, a second-generation DC, is a cum laude graduate of the National College of Chiropractic, and an adjunct and visiting clinical professor at Marycrest's Colorado College of Chiropractic in Denver. He is a diplomat eof the American Chiropractic Board of Radiology, and served as its vice president and president between 1983 and 1990. In 1996, Dr. Yochum became the youngest person to be named a "Fellow" by the American Chiropractic College of Radiology (ACCR). The title of Fellow is the highest honor awarded to any member of the ACCR for distinguished service and contributions in the advancement of chiropractic radiology; only eight DACBRs have received this award since the inception of the ACCR in 1958.

"I consider it a great honor to receive this recognition from my students," said Dr. Yochum. "I feel that my students give far more to me than I can ever give to them."

Dr. Yochum is the director of the Rocky Mountain Chiropractic Radiological Center in Denver, Colorado, and also holds an adjunct appointment at the Los Angeles College of Chiropractic. He was honored with an appointment to the department of radiology at the University of Colorado School of Medicine as a skeletal radiologist, where he has been on staff since 1991. Dr. Yochum has presented over 1,000 lectures worldwide, has published over 200 scientific articles in the chiropractic and medical literature, and is the author of two textbooks.

"Dr. Yochum is a phenomenal educator, and we are honored and privileged to have him as part of our faculty,"said Dr. Doug Davison, executive dean of the Colorado College of Chiropractic. "He has helped our new college immensely, and has shown no end to his dedication to the students of this profession."
 
lawguil said:
The DC degree is not recognized by colleges and universities as an academic degree. It may be recogized as a clinical degree, however, the person would not be eligble for a faculty position (tenure track). They might be hired as a staff person or adjuct instructor for a class that might fall within the DCs expertice. The only exception might be if the DC had authored a significant amount of research in credible journals. In this case the institution would be looking at the individual and would have nothing to do with the DC degree!


I know of a DC whose DC degree transfered to the PhD program at Loyola University.
 
I am glad, this (unsourced) article sings Dr Yochums praises. What a shame that the university of colorado faculty directory as well as the listing of program faculty for the radiology residency fail to list him.....

(to be fair. I have heard the rumor before that there is a dc in Colorado who comes in and gives conferences for the radiology residents. I believe he also wrote a book about skeletal radiology. But looking at the publicly available sources, it doesn't look like he holds a formal faculty appointment at the Univ. of Colorado. I don't know Dr Yochum, I have no reason to doubt his abilities. I just have reason to doubt the facts as presented in this unsourced article.)
 
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f_w said:
I am glad, this (unsourced) article sings Dr Yochums praises. What a shame that the university of colorado faculty directory as well as the listing of program faculty for the radiology residency fail to list him.....

(to be fair. I have heard the rumor before that there is a dc in Colorado who comes in and gives conferences for the radiology residents. I believe he also wrote a book about skeletal radiology. But looking at the publicly available sources, it doesn't look like he holds a formal faculty appointment at the Univ. of Colorado. I don't know Dr Yochum, I have no reason to doubt his abilities. I just have reason to doubt the facts as presented in this unsourced article.)

How could he win "Faculty Member of the Year" six times if he didn't teach there? Not saying you are right or wrong just curious how someone could win this prestigious award a record six times and not be on staff.
 
BackTalk said:
How could he win "Faculty Member of the Year" six times if he didn't teach there? Not saying you are right or wrong just curious how someone could win this prestigious award a record six times and not be on staff.


At the institution that I work, adjunct faculty have been selected as "faculty of the year" a number of times. Often times adjuncts are the best teachers. We have PT's who are adjunct instructors in our PT progam and work in clinical practice to make real money and they are absolutely fantastic - better than the faculty (and they are all BSPT to boot!) However, this does not mean that they hold a faculty position (tenure track). Adjuncts are part-time teachers who can only teach a limited number of credits a semester.
 
How could he win "Faculty Member of the Year" six times if he didn't teach there?

Didn't say he didn't teach there. I said I couldn't find verification that he is a formal member of the faculty.

how someone could win this prestigious award a record six times and not be on staff

Just this morning, my fellow residents and I voted to give our teacher of the year award to a pair of physicians who are not formal members of the faculty at our program but contributed to our educational experience.

(I have seen something similar happening at an ophtho program. Out of professional courtesy, they invited one of the OD's to talk about contact lens fitting to the residents. Suddenly, the OD school handed him around as 'member of the faculty' at the respective medical school....)
 
Dr. Yochum Honored by Students at U. of Colorado School of Medicine
http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/19/17/09.html




Yes, Dr. Yochum has authored a milestone radiology test. It is required reading at all chiropractic schools, and at over 100 medical schools.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3841/is_200407/ai_n9420835
Less than two decades ago, no major medical publishing house would publish a textbook on chiropractic written by a chiropractor-such texts were virtually all self-published. In January of 1987, that changed when Williams & Wilkins (now Lippincott, Williams, & Wilkins) released Essentials of Skeletal Radiology by chiropractic radiologists Terry R. Yochum, DC, DACBR, and Lindsay J. Rowe, DC, DACBR. Williams and WHkins' initial, print run of 5,000 copies soLd out in 3 weeks-a record that's never been broken. The book went through 6 printings in its first year alone, another still-unbroken record for the publisher. "They later told me that if the book had sold 5,000 copies within 5 to 7 years-the life of the first edition-they would have considered it a huge success," says Dr. Yochum.

That text, which became required reading at every chiropractic college and a reference text at some 100 medical, schools, eventually sold 45,000 copies in its first edition. The second edition, published in 1996, has soLd over 30,000 copies. (Most second editions generate less than 25% of the first edition's sales.) This month, Essentials of Skeletal Radiology's third edition arrives in a completely different environment for chiropractic publishing than what existed in 1980, when an innovative Williams & Wilkins chief editor approached Dr. Yochum with a book idea.

Toni Tracy, then the vice president in charge of medical publishing at Williams & Wilkins, had read Dr. Yochum's monthly "radiology corner" in JACA. She decided he might be the person to write the first scholarly text in chiropractic that the profession needed-and would buy. Taken by surprise, Dr. Yochurn, an instructor in skeletal radiology at the University of Colorado School of Medicine since 1991, recalls that he "sat on the letter for a couple of months before writing her back" and agreeing to the proposal. He prepared a table of contents and suggested illustrations, including sample chapters. He submitted them to Williams and Wilkins-and waited.

Normally, a medical publisher takes about 90 days to review a proposal and respond. But since both Dr. Yochum and the entire chiropractic profession were unknown factors for the publisher, the process took 2 years. "Toni Tracy believed it would work, but they didn't want to take a chance on chiropractic without thoroughly checking it out. The publisher also thought it might be a detriment to their medical sales," says Dr. Yochum. "We jumped through a lot of hoops. They checked things out through the colleges and their presidents, along with the ACA. It almost didn't happen." But at the Radiological Society of North America's (RSNA) annual meeting in November 1982, the publisher finally offered Dr. Yochum the contract. he subsequently invited his ex-student and resident Dr. Rowe to join him in writing the book.

In 1983, Dr. Yochum returned from teaching in Melbourne, Australia, and spent the next several years writing on 10,000 pages of yellow legalsized pads-all by hand. This work converted to 5,000 pages of computer printouts. "It took me 5 years to write it, one full year to proofread it, and it took my secretary 4 1/2 years to type the manuscript," Dr. Yochum says. Ultimately, those 6 years of work paid off, not only for Dr. Yochum and Williams & Wilkins, but also for chiropractic publishing as a whole. Williams & Wilkins went on to publish many other books on chiropractic. Other leading medical publishers, including Mosby, Appleton and Lange, Aspen, W.B. Saunders, and Churchill Livingstone, quickly followed their lead.

Every chapter of this seminal text has been updated for the third edition. An entirely new chapter, not included in the first or second editions, addresses what Dr. Yochum calls the "masqueraders of musculoskeletal disease." "This chapter looks at the clinical and imaging features of disorders of the head and soft tissues of the neck, chest, and abdomen that can mimic musculoskeletal complaints," Dr. Yochum says. "These include the most common extraosseous conditions likely to present to chiropractors, such as brain aneurysms or tumors, diseases of the gall bladder and pancreas, abdominal aortic aneurysms, and other conditions that can refer or mimic musculoskeletal signs and symptoms." The chapter on spondylolysis/spondylolisthesis, a particular specialty area of Dr. Yochum's, also features extensive new information, including a step-by-step algorithmic clinical decision-making pathway. Also new is a complimentary CD with 3-dimensional anatomic models of the human body and short videos demonstrating how to conduct various orthopedic and neurological tests.

What's on the horizon for skeletal radiology? The movement to digital imaging, without the need for film and darkrooms, will change things radically for many chiropractors, Dr. Yochum predicts. "Digital radiography will be the wave of the future. It will eliminate darkrooms, the need to store film and chemicals, and all the manpower involved," he says. "Cost has kept digital imaging out of the private marketplace, but the practical and cost-effective digital x-ray facilities that should be available soon will move digital imaging more into the private marketplace." Advantages of more widespread availability of this new technology will include the ability to do consultations by sending images over the Internet, saving time and expediting diagnoses.

In his foreword to the third edition, worldrenowned radiologist and author Donald Resnick, MD, professor of radiology at the University of California/San Diego and chief of osteoradiology at the VA Medical Center/San Diego, praises Essentials of Skeletal Radiology as "a text that will bring ample reward to the reader, providing him or her with information that will ensure a more complete understanding of the disease process and the ability to provide correct diagnoses in a more timely fashion. The result will be improved patient care, something we all desire."
 
Dr. Yochum Honored by Students at U. of Colorado School of Medicine
Dynamic Chiropractic
August 13, 2001, Volume 19, Issue 17


Thanks for providing the reference. Raises more questions than it answers. Who are the 'students' of the department of radiology ??


Yes, Dr. Yochum has authored a milestone radiology test. It is required reading at all chiropractic schools, and at over 100 medical schools.


Please stick to the facts. It is not required reading at over 100 medical schools as you seem to imply. The article you quote mentions 'and a reference text at some 100 medical, schools,'. ---> some 100 medical school libraries either ordered a copy, or received one as part of promotions publishers will do at times.

(Again, I have no personal issues with Dr Yochum or reasons to doubt his qualifications. But quoting various chiro articles referencing each other doesn't rise to 'truth' in my book.)
 
Sorry for the ommission of a word.
"Yes, Dr. Yochum has authored a milestone radiology test. It is required reading at all chiropractic schools, and USED at over 100 medical schools."

The article I posted clarified the facts.

Geesh- Instead of using this forum to become better informed, I feel some just want to have a pissing match.
 
It is required reading at all chiropractic schools, and USED at over 100 medical schools."

For all we know it sits in the library and collects dust 🙂
 
"Thanks for providing the reference. Raises more questions than it answers. Who are the 'students' of the department of radiology ??"

Are you serious??? You'd question the actual use of students who voted him as their favorite prof?? WOW, what some people will do to deny chiropractic any sort of progress astounds me!
 
"TAC: You’re on the faculty of the University of Colorado School of Medicine,
as well. Tell us for how long and how did this come about?

Yochum: I have been on the faculty of the University of Colorado School of Medicine, Department of Radiology,since June 1991. They were using my textbook as a teaching aid and had lost their Musculoskeletal Radiologist. Dr. Michael Manco-Johnson called and asked me if I would consider giving some lectures at the University to the Department of Radiology and the residents. I agreed to do so, and the lectures were well received. Wanting to secure me as a faculty member to teach within the department and interact with the faculty and residents, he asked if I would consider applying for a faculty position. I, of course, was elated to do so and he fought very hard for me for this appointment, which I am now very thankful for. I am pleased to tell you that I have won the “Teacher of the Year” award seven times in the last thirteen years, which is an award given at the medical school graduation by the graduating radiology residents. They vote on the teacher that they feel has given them the most throughout their final academic year. I do believe that I am the only Chiropractic Radiologist in the world on the faculty of a University Medical School teaching Skeletal Radiology."

Interview with Dr. Yochum from The American Chiropractor Magazine.
 
rooster said:

I don't see Yochum's book listed on this thread. I see reference to Brant and Helms (which I read as a Radiology resident).

For the record, I finished my Radiology residency in '01 and hadn't heard of Yochum's text. That's not to say that it isn't an excellent text---it may well be. But the implication that it is a reference text at over 100 med schools seems to me to imply that it is one of the frequently used texts by Radiology residents.

Instead of using this forum to become better informed, I feel some just want to have a pissing match.

Well, I don't think that people are getting into a pissing match with you as much as we are questioning the accuracy of the source. A member of this forum took the time to clarify Yochum's position at U. of Colorado some time ago:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=133855&page=3&pp=20&highlight=yochum

"I called the Department of Radiology (actually the contact for the Radiology Residency) at the University of Colorado, School of Medicine. Dr. Yochum is "volunteer clinical staff" who has been extended the sole courtesy of being allowed to add outside films (those taken in his office) to the University's Radiology teaching files. He does lecture, and sponsors an outside elective through the department. He is not now, nor has he ever been faculty. They require an MD/DO with board certification in Radiology or a Ph.D./Sc.D. in a relevant basic science for faculty / staff positions. The woman answering the phone was also quite adamant that Dr. Yochum does not practice clinically within the department and I quote "in any way, shape or form." She also stated that the constant internet references to Dr. Yochum on chiropractc sites has created a "significant" volume of phone inquiries to the department. She does state that he is a well liked lecturer but is quick to point out that he is not a formal member of the staff and recieves no compensation for his "work"."

Yochum may well be an excellent Radiologist--- I don't question that. But I do think that the references provided exaggerate a bit. Implying that his book is a milestone textbook would place him on the same level as guys like Helms, Resnick, Berquist, Stoller, Dussault, Kaplan, etc. (Radiology types will know who I'm talking about) , but I don't really think that's the case. As well, I would expect to see him lecturing at AFIP occasionally (again, Rads types know what I'm talking about) if most of us were reading his book, but, again, I don't think that's the case.

I also find the statement "Dr. Yochum has presented over 1,000 lectures worldwide, has published over 200 scientific articles in the chiropractic and medical literature" a little bit misleading. I don't question the number of lectures or the number of articles he has written. But of the 200+ articles, I can find only 15 listed in the indexed literature on a PubMed search, 3 of which are in Radiology journals. Now, that's more than I've published, but I'm not being written about on Radiology sites for my prolific work.....

I'm not looking for a pissing match, but I like to see if the information that I'm being presented is accurate and placed in its' proper context.
 
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Are you serious??? You'd question the actual use of students who voted him as their favorite prof?? WOW, what some people will do to deny chiropractic any sort of progress astounds me!

No, I just wanted to point out that the person writing the article didn't have an idea what he was writing about. It was the residents who voted him teacher of the year, not the students..

Oh, and the university of Colorado faculty affairs office was nice enough to confirm that Dr Yochum indeed holds the title 'Clinical Instructor'. This is the title anyone without an MD or PhD would typically get if he has a volunteer teaching role at the university. While this does make him part of the faculty of the medical school, I wouldn't go so far to consider him part of their department.
 
jesse14 said:
"Thanks for providing the reference. Raises more questions than it answers. Who are the 'students' of the department of radiology ??"

Are you serious??? You'd question the actual use of students who voted him as their favorite prof?? WOW, what some people will do to deny chiropractic any sort of progress astounds me!

I think you're missing the point, Jesse. What we're saying is that we feel that the source provided by rooster does not present the information in a very accurate manner. That doesn't mean that we're criticising Yochum's abilities. My guess is that he's very good at what he does. But the article makes implications which I believe exaggerate the truth (and I've explained why in my previous post).

And I don't know how Yochum lecturing to Radiology residents implies Chiropractic progress any more than a Obstetrician lecturing us about 3rd trimester Obstetric ultrasound implies Obstetric progress or that a Physicist lecturing to us about MRI Physics implies Physics progress. It implies only that he's a knowledgeable guy who has information to pass on to Radiology residents.
 
I think you misinterpreted Jesse's use of "progress": Until the mid 80s, the official position of the AMA was that it was illegal for MDs to associate with, refer to, or accept referrals from, DCs. Wilk vs AMA (at least officially on paper) put an end to these antitrust practices. IMO, Jesse was referring to the "progress" of MD/DC collaborations.

As for my cites regarding Yochum: the sources are published, verifiable, and accessable. You may not agree with them, but they are verifiable, and not my "opinion". Your cite is strictly heresay(I called........she said.........we do not know the questions asked, the structure of the questions, her exact answers, we can't even verify that the call even took place). I put little credibility on heresay.
 
Yochum, Yochum, Yochum...does one DC who is purportedly employed by a medical school represent the entire chiropractic profession? How about some more references to DCs employed by medical schools? Let's get back to discussing career options for chiropractors, instead of kicking around speculations about Yochum's academic credentials. Has anyone tried to contact Dr. Yochum directly? I'll try to hunt down his e-mail address.

Regarding DC employment, I personally know a DC who is employed full-time by a VA hospital and part-time by a chiropractic college, and who sees patients at his private practice twice a week. He also maintains an active program in chiropractic research. In my view, this guy epitomizes a successful chiropractor in 2005: http://www.bridgeport.edu/pages/3218.asp?EventID=128

Cheers,

PH
 
Thanks Public-
I did not know of Dr. Lisi. I agree, that a few get the bulk of the attention, while, like you pointed out, there are many exceptional DCs that don't get their due recognition.
 
rooster said:
I think you misinterpreted Jesse's use of "progress": Until the mid 80s, the official position of the AMA was that it was illegal for MDs to associate with, refer to, or accept referrals from, DCs. Wilk vs AMA (at least officially on paper) put an end to these antitrust practices. IMO, Jesse was referring to the "progress" of MD/DC collaborations.

OK, though Jesse seems to be Canadian, and the AMA's positions really don't mean anything up here. But I digress.....

As for my cites regarding Yochum: the sources are published, verifiable, and accessable. You may not agree with them, but they are verifiable, and not my "opinion". Your cite is strictly heresay(I called........she said.........we do not know the questions asked, the structure of the questions, her exact answers, we can't even verify that the call even took place). I put little credibility on heresay.

My point has more to do with placing what's said in proper context. The implications in your sources, IMO, overstate the reality. They aren't wrong, per se. The simply seem to attach a greater degree of significance than is warranted. It's easy to do a PubMed search under his name. It's easy to ask Radiology residents around N. America if they use his text. It's easy to call the Radiology dept. at the U. of C. and ask about his position.
 
Chiropractic radiologists appear to be the "cream of the crop" of the chiropractic profession according to the profiles that I have come across on-line. Are DCs with Diplomates in chiropractic subspecialties better trained? It seems to me that this additional training allows DCs to carve out a niche for themselves, and avoid most of the bullsh*t that plagues the chiropractic profession. Thoughts?
 
PublicHealth said:
Chiropractic radiologists appear to be the "cream of the crop" of the chiropractic profession according to the profiles that I have come across on-line. Are DCs with Diplomates in chiropractic subspecialties better trained? It seems to me that this additional training allows DCs to carve out a niche for themselves, and avoid most of the bullsh*t that plagues the chiropractic profession. Thoughts?

The chiropractic radiologists do seem to be the cream of the crop. And there isn't the variability in beliefs or knowledge in this group that seems to plague the rest of the chiropractic profession. It is somewhat competitive to get a spot from what I understand. I myself entertained the idea of applying to the chiropractic radiology programs in the past. However, I also found out that they aren't immune to the financial difficulties that face the rest of the chiropractic profession. It seems that most DC's out there still use MD radiologists much more than DC radiologists. I'd like to hear from the practicing DC's what they think of DC radiologists and if they use them (or not) and why.
 
BackTalk said:
FF says he doesn't, so who knows. There has to be a connection because this guy is a very well respected chiropractic radiologist. He doesn't have to make things up to feel important.

Come on BT, quote me correctly. I agree he does teach there, he is not on faculty however. There is a HUGE difference between an instructor and a faculty member. The closest analogy would be the difference between a private or NCO and an officer in the armed forces. An instructor teaches at the request of and under the assigned time of a faculty member. At any time an instructor can be excused. A tenured professor or even a tenure track assistant or associate professor cannot. Faculty membership requires an academic degree. A DC is generally not acceptable other than at chiropractic colleges.

- H
 
rooster said:
As for my cites regarding Yochum: the sources are published, verifiable, and accessable. You may not agree with them, but they are verifiable, and not my "opinion". Your cite is strictly heresay(I called........she said.........we do not know the questions asked, the structure of the questions, her exact answers, we can't even verify that the call even took place). I put little credibility on heresay.

Fine. Please find one link from any official University of Colorado site that verifies Yochum even exists yet alone has ANY relationship with the University. Hell, I'll take an article from "Aunt Millie" (a website specifically for Radiology Residents) that confirms he is faculty. In fact find ANY source outside of the chiropractic press. You can't. WHY? Because while he does volunteer his time to teach and is well recieved in a forum of "interesting findings" he runs for students, he is not now, nor has he ever been "on faculty". All U of Colorado faculty are listed on their website. Yochum is not.

The DC is not acceptable as an academic degree. And as Public Health has said "get over it". Even if, by some stretch of imagination, the University of Colorado did put him on faculty, it doesn't prove the case at all. The question is if the DC is widely accepted as an academic degree to "open up" an academic track to DCs looking for career opporitunities. It simply isn't. One DC in the entire country does not prove your case - it proves mine!

- H
 
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As for Dr Yochum,

- I don't doubt that he comes in and gives case conferences to the residents.
- I don't doubt his abilities.
- I DO doubt that he is indeed the eminent authority in MSK radiology that the DC community tries to make him out to be. ( I heard his name the first time on this board, in plenty of years in radiology....)
 
awdc said:
It seems that most DC's out there still use MD radiologists much more than DC radiologists. I'd like to hear from the practicing DC's what they think of DC radiologists and if they use them (or not) and why.

I use an imaging center(plain, CT, MRI, emg, myelography) affiliated with a neurology group. It is a bit further for my patients to go, but 1. The quality is excellent. 2. The reading and reports are the best I have seen. And most importantly, 3. They have a DC radiologist on staff. In my area, (a major metro), There are six MD/DC imaging choices that I know of, could be more though. On Thursday, I am going to a CE seminar at a "stand up" MRI center- another MD/DC collaboration. BTW- I just got another solicitation from them for a seminar in fall- Presenters will be Dr. Yochum and Dr. Damadian(he is cited to be the inventor of recumbent and stand-up MRI). So In short awdc, I choose a center, BECAUSE it has a DABCR, as the first cull criteria.
 
rooster said:
I use an imaging center(plain, CT, MRI, emg, myelography) affiliated with a neurology group. It is a bit further for my patients to go, but 1. The quality is excellent. 2. The reading and reports are the best I have seen. And most importantly, 3. They have a DC radiologist on staff. In my area, (a major metro), There are six MD/DC imaging choices that I know of, could be more though. On Thursday, I am going to a CE seminar at a "stand up" MRI center- another MD/DC collaboration. BTW- I just got another solicitation from them for a seminar in fall- Presenters will be Dr. Yochum and Dr. Damadian(he is cited to be the inventor of recumbent and stand-up MRI). So In short awdc, I choose a center, BECAUSE it has a DABCR, as the first cull criteria.

Are you a DC? I'm too lazy to search for this information above... 😴
 
awdc said:
The chiropractic radiologists do seem to be the cream of the crop. And there isn't the variability in beliefs or knowledge in this group that seems to plague the rest of the chiropractic profession. It is somewhat competitive to get a spot from what I understand. I myself entertained the idea of applying to the chiropractic radiology programs in the past. However, I also found out that they aren't immune to the financial difficulties that face the rest of the chiropractic profession. It seems that most DC's out there still use MD radiologists much more than DC radiologists. I'd like to hear from the practicing DC's what they think of DC radiologists and if they use them (or not) and why.


I use DC radiologists for all my films I take in my office (plain film). I think DACBR's are excellent MSK radiologists. The DACBR's who teach at the chiropractic college have their own radiology group and we use them. Further, I like the way a DACBR will describe the biomechanical aspects, which many times MD radiologists don't mention. This is especially helpful in PI cases. All imaging companies that have MRI, CT and other imaging modalities have a few MD radiologists who read the films. So when we refer out for these types of imaging they are read by MD radiologist.
 
I agree with all that's been said above. I do disagree that DACBR's are the "cream of the crop". The ones admitted to the scarce programs are good students but sometimes it's a freakin toss of a coin as to who get's in one. The spots are very rare. If the programs were opened up more...you'd see more qualified D.C. applicants. From my experience a more accurate portrayal is DACBR's are M.D. wannabe's that regretted getting a D.C. degree and would do anything but practice chiropractic so reading films is the "closest" medical job they can get with a D.C. degree.

With that being said I send "all" my plain films to a DACBR because they know what skeletal alterations that may be of use to a chiropractor, frankly an M.D. might consider some findings trivial but a D.C. may not. That's the only reason, I don't think they are "more" qualified by any stretch. If your not already in or going to a D.C. school then saying "I want to be a DACBR" is NOT a realistic career path. The "selectivity" is not just based on academics...it might end up being a popularity contest or nepotism. For some reason "all" the DACBR candidates at my old school were canadian for a while...go figure.

As far as a D.C. degree not counting academically...'fraid that's right on the nose. You'll get more mileage out of a cheap pair of sneakers than your D.C. degree...not because you didn't bust your "A..' to get it but too many people don't know or understand the program or requirements. It might help in the outside world where "Dr" title sounds impressive even if it's mail order if you plan to just work anywhere. However, you'll have to explain why a "Doctor" needs a "real job"...transitioning out of chiropractic at a level equal to your education (and debt) is VERY TOUGH. As I've found...if you get the degree and decide NOT to use it...it becomes more of an embarrassment than accomplishment (perhaps this can be said of not using ANY professional degree, though). You end up trying to hide it more than use it.

Other fields:
Sales of medical devices (you need to have some real contacts and experience)
Sales of pharmaceuticals (same as above and most times you need to "look" the part...short skirts except for the guys...maybe them too!)
Rehab clinics...open minded ones that understand your skills and training
Certified Case Manager (you need to fudge some documents/experience to get it but possible)
Insurance companies...claims management (you'll be a back stabbing chiro cutting the claims of greedy chiro's)

I'm sure there is more...Neuro Technicians, W/C Impairment doc, Clinical Research Monitor...Pizza Guy. The usual.

Most would say if you got a D.C. degree and want to switch fields just buck it up and go back to school (M.D./D.O./DDS or PA). Me...I'm thinking Pizza Guy.
 
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