Another look at DPM to MD

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Get real guys.... this has nothing to do iwth "helping patients" and everything to do with $$$$$

Dont play me like a fool, everybody knows that you want more scope so you can bill for more procedures. All the crap about "continuity of care" is a load of crap and you know it.

Quit trying to steal our scope of practice. Its not our fault that you chose such a limited field that only deals with ankles and feet. Now you want a mulligan to change your career choice and redefine what you do, despite the fact you knew in the beginning that DPMs = foot doctors.

Of course part of the problem is that DPMs are a dime a dozen and there is a huge market oversaturation, leading to depressed wages. Tell your DPM schools to quit flooding the marketplace with docs and you wouldnt have to try and steal scope to make more $$$$

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Get real guys.... this has nothing to do iwth "helping patients" and everything to do with $$$$$

Dont play me like a fool, everybody knows that you want more scope so you can bill for more procedures. All the crap about "continuity of care" is a load of crap and you know it.

Quit trying to steal our scope of practice. Its not our fault that you chose such a limited field that only deals with ankles and feet. Now you want a mulligan to change your career choice and redefine what you do, despite the fact you knew in the beginning that DPMs = foot doctors.

Of course part of the problem is that DPMs are a dime a dozen and there is a huge market oversaturation, leading to depressed wages. Tell your DPM schools to quit flooding the marketplace with docs and you wouldnt have to try and steal scope to make more $$$$

Even you and group of people like you threatened to walk naked in protest or file suits or plan masssive protest or do whatever you can. This resolution will be pass someday.

Be it for money, be it for community. neither you nor anyone can do anything about it. This US of A. We are a recognized profession. So trust me baby we are here to stay and not just stay we will increase our scope of practice. So live with it. if you dont like it or cant stay with this fact. i suggest you head for africa or asia. there are no POds there. So you will be the only MD. I think you better go and worry whether NP or PA will take over ur practice rather than worrying about us.

And speaking about money, why are you so threatened. Is great MD scared that someone else will take his practice and he wont be able to make more money.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:\

Go dude, its thanksgiving. Go home eat some turkey, watch a movie and be happy. Why simply trolling here and there.
 
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Oh MacGyver, shouldn't you be somewhere else building an outlandish contraption out of silly putty, string, and a paper clip? Don't tell me that's how you make your surgical instruments! :rolleyes:

Also, everyone always remembers that line from Malice, yet no one remembers that Jed chickens out in the end and Nicole Kidman's character kills him for becoming a huge wuss. :scared:

On topic: Why are wanting to improve the continuity of care for the patient and wanting more $$$$ as a practitioner, as you so eloquently put it, mutually exclusive? Can't people want both, and why is that bad again?
 
Get real guys.... this has nothing to do iwth "helping patients" and everything to do with $$$$$

Oh forgot to mention this, Are you some kind of sick Communist/Socialist supporter?

This is USA, We all live and care about money. ofcourse its a major factor. What do you expect! we should do procedures for free now.
 
Get real guys.... this has nothing to do iwth "helping patients" and everything to do with $$$$$

Dont play me like a fool, everybody knows that you want more scope so you can bill for more procedures. All the crap about "continuity of care" is a load of crap and you know it.

Quit trying to steal our scope of practice. Its not our fault that you chose such a limited field that only deals with ankles and feet. Now you want a mulligan to change your career choice and redefine what you do, despite the fact you knew in the beginning that DPMs = foot doctors.

Of course part of the problem is that DPMs are a dime a dozen and there is a huge market oversaturation, leading to depressed wages. Tell your DPM schools to quit flooding the marketplace with docs and you wouldnt have to try and steal scope to make more $$$$

Okay troll. If that is you opinion that is your opinion but the last time I took anatomy the foot was connect to the rest of the body. It is ignorant to ignore that fact. That being said unlimited scope does not mean pods can give DREs, if they are not trained in that field they should not got there.

Does a neurologist do BKA? No so the argument that MD/DOs have unlimited scope is stupid. So yes, money can play an issue but confusion about the law and better health care is my concern.

As for pods being a dime a dozen, I don't know where you got that stat. I'm from a city of about 1 million and there are about 12 pods. I hope you use better evidence to treat patients than you do on this forum.
 
Of course part of the problem is that DPMs are a dime a dozen and there is a huge market oversaturation, leading to depressed wages. Tell your DPM schools to quit flooding the marketplace with docs and you wouldnt have to try and steal scope to make more $$$$

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

do you even know how many practicing pods there currently are in the US? Someone educate this boy.
 
I think you can eventually get some orthos on your side. The AAOS is the workhorse for the orthopod not the AMA. Legislation battles can get very ugly. Its going to take alot of time though, and many of the things that many in here have posted many a time are going to be what it takes. You have to standardize your education and training. You have to make admission standards more rigid. You have to phase out and get rid of the old timers. Those that have been out there practicing with nothing more than an "apprenticeship", or spending one day watching an orthopod and calling it a "fellowship". Finally you have to let your work do the talking and work side by side with orthopods.

well said :thumbup:
 
I think you can eventually get some orthos on your side. The AAOS is the workhorse for the orthopod not the AMA. Legislation battles can get very ugly. Its going to take alot of time though, and many of the things that many in here have posted many a time are going to be what it takes. You have to standardize your education and training. You have to make admission standards more rigid. You have to phase out and get rid of the old timers. Those that have been out there practicing with nothing more than an "apprenticeship", or spending one day watching an orthopod and calling it a "fellowship". Finally you have to let your work do the talking and work side by side with orthopods.

:thumbup:

You still have to name my procedure. :D
 
Even you and group of people like you threatened to walk naked in protest or file suits or plan masssive protest or do whatever you can. This resolution will be pass someday.

Be it for money, be it for community. neither you nor anyone can do anything about it. This US of A. We are a recognized profession. So trust me baby we are here to stay and not just stay we will increase our scope of practice. So live with it. if you dont like it or cant stay with this fact. i suggest you head for africa or asia. there are no POds there. So you will be the only MD. I think you better go and worry whether NP or PA will take over ur practice rather than worrying about us.

And speaking about money, why are you so threatened. Is great MD scared that someone else will take his practice and he wont be able to make more money.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:\

Go dude, its thanksgiving. Go home eat some turkey, watch a movie and be happy. Why simply trolling here and there.

If this is how the rest of you really feel, I'm terrified.
 
If this is how the rest of you really feel, I'm terrified.

why are you terrfied. Just say me what did i said wrong. I am saying you the facts Sir. Many MDs dont wanna accept it , they feel very threatned when ever any other profession wants to take equal rights along with them. They still think MDs are the only ones in USA who do all the training. As far as i know (iam not a pod student yet) we also do a significant amount of training outside the F & A area during our College and residency. We are not asking for Cardiology residency or Gynecology or Urology. We just want a little bit of more flexibilty and that is also just and just because we are well trained and qualified but restricted by State laws.

I was just enlightening the Troll about various professions here who are rising significantly day by day as he was getting scared and pissed of as to why we want to increase our profession and labelling it as a money oriented task. I think it was none of his business. And all other professions (NA, PA, OD, DPM, DO) have full right to develop and advance their profession as their professions are recognized by US.

I do agree my writing style was very provocative and sluggish. I' am ashamed of that. But thats the bad thing about having English as second language. You dont know what you wrote even after 1 week. And then you realize what you wrote and you feel bad. but you know then you cant do anything about it. Everybody had read it. he e he he.
 
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hey dpm dudes and dudettes! I haven't been to the podiatry forum in ages...I was matriculated at nycpm from 01-03, decided podiatry was not for me, and subsequently pursued DO school. I am currently in my last year of medical school, going on interviews for anesthesiology residency positions, and just chillin and enjoying the ride...

As i recall from my 2 yrs at nycpm, there were many disgruntled members of my class, whom also jumped ship and pursued medical school in the carribean, or DO/MD. I am not trying to ignite or start any trouble here, simply, my purpose in posting on this forum is to let you know that it can be done. The only reason i attended podiatry school was b/c that was the only viable option left after i got rejected to DO/MD school. I know for some of you that is also the case. on the flip side, for those of you that are genuinely interested in podiatry, great, and kudos for choosing a great profession to enter!

I racked up 80's g's in debt from 2 yrs of pod school, but I could not be more excited for what my future holds and finally being able to wake up every morning with a smile on my face. For those of you questioning and wondering if its possible, absofreakinglutely! it's never too late. just my 2 cents...
 
hey dpm dudes and dudettes! I haven't been to the podiatry forum in ages...I was matriculated at nycpm from 01-03, decided podiatry was not for me, and subsequently pursued DO school. I am currently in my last year of medical school, going on interviews for anesthesiology residency positions, and just chillin and enjoying the ride...

As i recall from my 2 yrs at nycpm, there were many disgruntled members of my class, whom also jumped ship and pursued medical school in the carribean, or DO/MD. I am not trying to ignite or start any trouble here, simply, my purpose in posting on this forum is to let you know that it can be done. The only reason i attended podiatry school was b/c that was the only viable option left after i got rejected to DO/MD school. I know for some of you that is also the case. on the flip side, for those of you that are genuinely interested in podiatry, great, and kudos for choosing a great profession to enter!

I racked up 80's g's in debt from 2 yrs of pod school, but I could not be more excited for what my future holds and finally being able to wake up every morning with a smile on my face. For those of you questioning and wondering if its possible, absofreakinglutely! it's never too late. just my 2 cents...

Alrighty - I don't exactly see what your post has to do with the topic at hand - we were discussing the possibility of a DPM/MD degree not jumping ship from DPM to MD. You won't find too many people in this forum wanting to jump ship though, but good luck to you with osteopathic school and residency. It's always great to find your path and succeed in something you are passionate about.
 
Hey y'all!

I just read this thread and it didn't get interesting for me until the very end.

I know that we have a few new students, including myself, posting and I really liked the article that someone posted three above me. Plus...it sort of ties in with our current "Do we attend medical school" thread.
 
Hey y'all!

I just read this thread and it didn't get interesting for me until the very end.

I know that we have a few new students, including myself, posting and I really liked the article that someone posted three above me. Plus...it sort of ties in with our current "Do we attend medical school" thread.

Great thread & article.:thumbup:
 
Thanks for bumping this, I think it definitely helps in the argument about medical school vs. podiatry school. He really stated his philosophy on the topic well and is clearly very proud of the profession he has chosen, as we all should be
 
Now THAT was a bump. Thanks for the article.
 
I went to both dental and attend medical school, but I love referring to myself as a dentist to my medical colleagues. sorry for intruding on this thread. Be proud to be a DPM. I hate seeing the Oral Maxillofacial Surgeons that put the MD, DDS instead of the DDS, MD.
 
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Dawg has a darn good point. What the heck does a flu shot have to do with the feet? Why would a podiatrist give a flue shot?? Would a dentist give a flue shot?

What I don't understand is why people don't chose a profession based on what they want to do for a living. And even more, I don't understand why they aren't proud of what they choose to do. You don't see physicians calling themselves dentists, or dentists calling themselves physicians, why do some podiatrists want to call themselves physicians? I know that some chiropractors call themselves physicians... Why don't you like feet? That's what you chose. I seriously don't get it. You want there to be DPM cardiologists??

P.S. That whole thing about podiatry being "American medicine's first attempt at a specialty" is almost hilarious. Have you ever heard of dentistry? Dentistry split off far earlier than podiatry. The first dental school in the US opened in Baltimore in 1840 by physicians. Yet, we still are proud of being dentists. And we have our own scope of practice, that even a physician with "unlimited scope" of practice would likely lose his or her license practicing.

P.S.S. I've been drinking, and I'm looking for a fight. Bring it.

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Thought I would make the comment here, but don't mean to resurrect old threads !!!!

... not everybody goes DPM to MD / DPM foot surgeon to MD ortho surgeon

... some actually go MD to DPM and not just because they couldn't get a license in the states (which is common amongst Russian and other foreign trained medical holders that could not get a license / qualify for US residency)

take a look at this doctor who is dually licensed and pursued podiatric medicine and surgery / diabetic wound care after starting and finishing at SGU School of Medicine

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeffrey-galitz-m-d-dpm-facfas-dabps/11/987/721

pretty impressive stuff

also folks many do DPM to DO or MD I have seen and do top honors all the way from undergrad, DPM and up through their DO or MD and do ortho surgery after that

... just make sure you start out in the right program, i.e. pick DPM if you want the foot, or do DO / MD if you want to work general orthopaedics

its interesting but oral and max surgery is really similar to the DPM field, in that my neighboor wanted oral and max, already had an MD and finished part of general surgery, then got the DDS and did oral surgery residency (pops was doc and pushing him that way I would think), its like you got to start a whole nother doctorate to do the program.
 
As an oral & maxillofacial surgery resident currently in medical school, I wanted to chime in on this topic. The reason many of us choose to pursue the M.D. is to improve our medical knowledge, especially in managing medically compromised patients. We often perform long, invasive surgeries on patients with several major medical morbidities. Others like the M.D. to keep their fellowship options open. Of course it is integrated into our 6-year residencies but at this time is peripheral to our specialty. I am the first to admit that I know nothing about podiatry, but if your field does surgically manage inpatients like we do I can appreciate how the additional degree may be beneficial.
 
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