Another shadowing question (NJ)

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redhorse

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Hello all...

I've been a lurker on SDN for about 2 years now. Some backgroud...I'm a "nontraditional" and just completed a second BS while finishing prereqs. I always pictured a career in vetmed, but recently have developed an interest in podiatric medicine (partly due to reading flyhi's posts, 🙂 and partly due to the fact that my veterinary interests were geared towards care and injuries of the hoof and lower extremities.

Although the research I have done into podmed has really sparked a fire, I want to be very thorough before jumping into 4+3 years. I reviewed the AACPM site and saw there are some podiatrists kind enough to lend themselves to shadowing/mentoring. I was wondering if anyone had any personal experience with any of the NJ pods listed or had any personal recommendations for a great pod to shadow in NJ.

Thanks in advance.
 
Dr Levine who is a partner of foot health centers. Hes a succesful pod who has tons of stories 🙂 also pay attention to his million dollar presentations.

LOL wow. Dr. Larry Levine???? Smoke and mirrors. Not the guy you want to emulate. Trust me.
 
What's wrong with Dr. Larry Levine? I know he does a lot of business along side podiatry, but i suspect you know/think something more.

As I said, it's rare to meet a practitioner who creates a reality around his illusions as much as he does. Smoke and mirrors. He does wow people with his "stories", but if you dig a little deeper, you'll find some people are not even close to what they seem.

We all had that "friend" in high school that would constantly talk about his many "adventures" with the members of the opposite sex. It was always that guy that would never shut up about how successful he was with the ladies and all the things he did with them. Then he would be the root every joke when you and your real friends would find out that he was full of hot air and all those "adventures" were nothing more than a figment of his imagination. See where I'm going with this?

Sorry that this is so off the OP's topic, but I couldn't contain myself when Larry's name came up. If he is still asking everyone "What did you do to make yourself bigger today?" while professing to be podiatry's version of the business messiah, his broken record is still turning.
 
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Kidsfeet, do you think (for the purpose of shadowing) there are advantages to prioritizing podiatrists that also have teaching appointments at some institution?
 
Kidsfeet, do you think (for the purpose of shadowing) there are advantages to prioritizing podiatrists that also have teaching appointments at some institution?

No I don't. I understand why you are asking, but I don't think it matters at all. It may matter more if you choose someone to shadow who went to the school you are interested in, but it really doesn't make much difference in either case.
 
As I said, it's rare to meet a practitioner who creates a reality around his illusions as much as he does. Smoke and mirrors. He does wow people with his "stories", but if you dig a little deeper, you'll find some people are not even close to what they seem.

We all had that "friend" in high school that would constantly talk about his many "adventures" with the members of the opposite sex. It was always that guy that would never shut up about how successful he was with the ladies and all the things he did with them. Then he would be the root every joke when you and your real friends would find out that he was full of hot air and all those "adventures" were nothing more than a figment of his imagination. See where I'm going with this?

Sorry that this is so off the OP's topic, but I couldn't contain myself when Larry's name came up. If he is still asking everyone "What did you do to make yourself bigger today?" while professing to be podiatry's version of the business messiah, his broken record is still turning.

I've been following this site for a long time and finally had to register to jump on this one. I know Dr. Levine and I'd agree that he's not on the top of my list of people to emulate. His course at TUSPM is truly a joke, since he spends most of the time telling everyone how great he is and everything he's done.

Now for the facts. I decided to spend some time with him and so did many of my classmates. Due to our schedule I spent most of my time there on a Saturday.

He brags about having a gazillion offices, but the real deal is that he has about one nice office and a bunch of crappy satellites. Most of his so called offices are clinics owned by the government. He also does tons of nursing homes and house calls. The doctors he has working for him are running all over the place and most of them aren't even working in a real office most of the time. They're in a nursing home, group home, mental health place, government clinic, and so on.

When I shadowed him I was amazed that in today's times, he doesn't wear gloves when working on patients. I watched him take a bottle of lidocaine out of the drawer, open a syringe, clean it with alcohol (at least he did that) and draw the medicine and inject with the same syringe, something we were taught not to do. But that saves $$$$$$. His office has an old xray unit that takes 8x10 xrays which is great if you have a really big foot.
The sterilizer that I saw is about 100 years old. Charting was some scribbled numbers that were some special codes he uses that he never explained, but he basically writes nothing and the notes aren't computerized. When talking to some of the other docs who work other offices, none of the other offices even HAVE computers or xrays!!!!???? Wow, that's cutting edge!!

It seemed like that all the doctors had to pick up supplies from the one main office and bring them wherever they were working. I was there one day when a doctor asked for ster-strips and heard him tell the other doctor that they were expensive, so he should just grab some from the hospital O.R. the next time he was there.

I was there a few Saturdays, and it was always the same patients coming back for some form of physical therapy, etc. I was speaking with some of the patients who said that they've been coming for years for the same problem.

After visiting modern up to date offices that have digital xrays, computers all over the place, electronic charting, lots of supplies, lots of patients getting better, etc., I realized what he was really about.

Does he make money? Yeah. But in my opinion its definitely at the expense of quality and its definitely not the way anyone I know wants to practice. He told me several times that someday "you want to be ME". I can guarantee you nothing can be further from the truth.
 
I've been a lurker on SDN for about 2 years now. Some backgroud...I'm a "nontraditional" and just completed a second BS while finishing prereqs. I always pictured a career in vetmed, but recently have developed an interest in podiatric medicine (partly due to reading flyhi's posts, 🙂 and partly due to the fact that my veterinary interests were geared towards care and injuries of the hoof and lower extremities.

Hi Redhorse! Another potential crossover 😀 Funny, I too was interested in equine sports medicine/lameness, etc.

Welcome to the podiatry forum...it's not quite as busy over here, but lots of great advice, especially from a few regular attendings.

A lot of us got our shadowing gigs from the APMA website, which is an all-around great resource:

http://www.todayspodiatrist.com/students Just enter your zipcode in and they will contact you via email with a podiatrist or two to contact. I emailed one of the podiatrists and he got right back with me. I was shadowing that same week. I had a wonderful experience and he definitely sealed my decision to pursue podiatry.

Are you planning on applying this cycle? Podiatry schools are rolling admissions, unlike vet.

Good Luck and great to see you over here.:luck::xf::luck:
 
Kidsfeet...I'm in North Jersey (probably should have specified that in my first post 🙄)

Flyhi...Thanks for the reference, will definitely check that out...and thanks for posting your journey. I probably would never have considered podiatry had I not read about your journey.
I have not taken the MCAT yet (didn't want to commit to that endeavor before some solid shadowing experience). Honestly, I'm still debating whether to kick it into high gear and apply for this cycle or hold off till next. I'm still exhausted from applying to vet schools. lol 😴

Leaning towards next cycle for a few of reasons:
1. My cGPA/sciGPA is a bit low due to my first bachelors. Life circumstances at that time weighed far heavier than academics. Second bachelors GPA is just over 3.5, so not shabby, but not glowing. Anyhow, I'm thinking my MCAT scores will weigh very heavily due to my shaky foundation. It may not be a bad idea to take my time and set that stage for success. Gotta get SN2ed properly.
Do most schools average or replace MCAT scores if you need to retake?
2. I worry that applying late might limit any possible financial awards.
3. I can't even think about applying when I haven't properly shadowed yet...but this may change soon.

Everyone else...thanks so much for your comments/suggestions!
 
Theres two pods in north jersey who i would highly recommend on shadowing, first is Dr. Terry Spilken in Livingston. Man was the dean at NYCPM and is just utterly great with patients and with you when you're shadowing. He's active in the community so a LOR from him looks really good. Also his partner Dr. Oliveros is a good podiatrist too, combined their a great pair to shadow. The other pod is Dr. Healy in Clifton. This is the man that introduced me into podiatry and I owe it all to him. He's a Temp grad and has been in business for over 30 years. His persona is so captivating and genuine that it just drags you right in. After shadowing him twice he personally emailed me and told me that whenever i needed a LOR he would write it without a problem. I'd look into meeting with these two doctors if you can. Also if you wanna see a busy podiatrist office and one who is playing the game to earn the big bucks, I say go to Dr. Lenny Ramirez in Passaic. He's a bit to handle and sometimes is just rude, but you'll learn the ins and outs of the business aspect of podiatry
 
You should consider shadowing Dr. Hal Ornstein who founded that podiatric practice management assocation. He is always up-beat and he's very successful. If you have the opportunity, I would check into shadowing HIM, not one of his associates.
 
You should consider shadowing Dr. Hal Ornstein who founded that podiatric practice management assocation. He is always up-beat and he's very successful. If you have the opportunity, I would check into shadowing HIM, not one of his associates.

it would be fun if you could catch him, but I think he only sees patients like a day a week.
 
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