Any news from John Jay-forensic psych phd?

[psychchic]

Just wanted to see if anyone has heard from this program. I learned on another site there are interviews next Friday and was trying to figure out if they only have one date and thus I am out of luck or if I still have a chance.

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[hot4gradschool]

did you apply for the dec. 1 deadline or jan 15th since they extended the deadline? maybe they have interviews now for people who did the dec. 1 deadline. i did jan 15

 

[Annakei]

Please keep us updated on the interview process and what it was lie. This is one of my top programs I will be applying for next year..

 

[Forensic M.S.]

yeah tell me how it is, i really wanted to go there but chose american international for the master's forensic

 

[PublicHealth]

Why do these mid-level degrees when you can pursue a PhD/PsyD in clinical psychology? You may be doing this to gain this credential and then apply to PhD/PsyD programs.

That said, what do Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs even do? I highly doubt that they can be qualified as an expert witness in forensic cases. Even doctoral-level psychologists and neuropsychologists have a tough time being qualified as an expert witnesses. Master's level graduates are not even licensed as psychologists.

 

[Forensic M.S.]

Why do these mid-level degrees when you can pursue a PhD/PsyD in clinical psychology? You may be doing this to gain this credential and then apply to PhD/PsyD programs.

That said, what do Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs even do? I highly doubt that they can be qualified as an expert witness in forensic cases. Even doctoral-level psychologists and neuropsychologists have a tough time being qualified as an expert witnesses. Master's level graduates are not even licensed as psychologists.

most of them get jobs as clinicans or counselors within a criminal justice setting and contrarily to popular belief make good money doing substance abuse counseling. other people become clinicians outside working under the supervision of a psychologist. most of the psy.d programs required a master's and encourage experience before applying, the total opposite of most ph.d programs.

why waste 100k and four years of employment to teach at a university and make less money getting a ph.d. (most schools don't even teach in this field)?

 

[SaraL124]

My school gives a PhD in forensic track clinical psychology with a full tuition waiver and living stipend. I'm sure graduates with a PhD/PsyD more than make up for the lost years in the work force by the earning potential afforded by the doctoral level degree.

 

[Forensic M.S.]

My school gives a PhD in forensic track clinical psychology with a full tuition waiver and living stipend. I'm sure graduates with a PhD/PsyD more than make up for the lost years in the work force by the earning potential afforded by the doctoral level degree.

that is pretty sweet then, good deal. i am not bashing the ph.d/psy.d but also not everyone is going to get in to such a program.

 

[JatPenn]

why waste 100k and four years of employment to teach at a university and make less money getting a ph.d. (most schools don't even teach in this field)?

Whoa, what? What $100K? Most PhD programs worth a lick are funded

 

[Forensic M.S.]

Whoa, what? What $100K? Most PhD programs worth a lick are funded

i was referring to psy.d, i should have made it more clear in the original

 

[Annakei]

Why do these mid-level degrees when you can pursue a PhD/PsyD in clinical psychology? You may be doing this to gain this credential and then apply to PhD/PsyD programs.

That said, what do Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs even do? I highly doubt that they can be qualified as an expert witness in forensic cases. Even doctoral-level psychologists and neuropsychologists have a tough time being qualified as an expert witnesses. Master's level graduates are not even licensed as psychologists.

Who said that was the goal? To be an expert witness or to be a quasi doctor or field expert? Perhaps some of us are content with being MID LEVEL professionals who are able to consult with lawyers/courts and psychologists in a variety of capacities.

I have personally been involved in Victim Advocacy, Offender Pre Release programs, Death Penalty Mitigation, Sexual Trauma case mgmt/counseling, Pre-Trial services etc etc. Furthermore, this is applicable for those of us willing to go it for a year or so to complete the MA and then decide if a PHD/PsyD is worth it. Lets not get into the fact that many PHDs/PsyDs arent making CLOSE to what they expect upon graduation due to the saturation of the market. However there are LPCs doing Forensic work making 60-80k a year. I happen to be in a program that will enable me to sit for licensure (LPC) and also qualified to work within the forensic field....

BTW-your post wreaked of pretentiousness . try to research/get info before presenting it in such a light that would make you seem like you're looking down on "these Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs". Not everyone wants to take your route.

 

[Annakei]

Why do these mid-level degrees when you can pursue a PhD/PsyD in clinical psychology? You may be doing this to gain this credential and then apply to PhD/PsyD programs.

That said, what do Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs even do? I highly doubt that they can be qualified as an expert witness in forensic cases. Even doctoral-level psychologists and neuropsychologists have a tough time being qualified as an expert witnesses. Master's level graduates are not even licensed as psychologists.

Who said that was the goal? To be an expert witness or to be a quasi doctor or field expert? Perhaps some of us are content with being MID LEVEL professionals who are able to consult with lawyers/courts and psychologists in a variety of capacities. I do.

I have personally been involved in Victim Advocacy, Offender Pre Release programs, Death Penalty Mitigation, Sexual Trauma case mgmt/counseling, Pre-Trial services etc etc. Furthermore, this is applicable for those of us willing to go it for a year or so to complete the MA and then decide if a PHD/PsyD is worth it. Lets not get into the fact that many PHDs/PsyDs arent making CLOSE to what they expect upon graduation due to the saturation of the market. However there are LPCs doing Forensic work making 60-80k a year. I happen to be in a program that will enable me to sit for licensure (LPC) and also qualified to work within the forensic field....

BTW-your post wreaked of pretentiousness . try to research/get info before presenting it in such a light that would make you seem like you're looking down on "these Master's-level graduates of these "forensic psychology" programs". Not everyone wants to take your route.