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musicalfeet said:
What's considered undershooting? I think overshooting is easy to see (If you're more than 1 point away from median MCAT or .2 gpa). Would the same apply for undershooting?
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An MCAT at the 90% to an OOS school would be undershooting.
Undershooting includes applying to schools with modest medians that get >10k applications.
 
Mwoods18 said:
Whaaaa? Good problems to have I guess.
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I find it a bit confusing that students who are candidates for the finest residencies in the country would prefer a middle of the road program in CA.
 
gyngyn said:
I find it a bit confusing that students who are candidates for the finest residencies in the country would prefer a middle of the road program in CA.
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Absolutely agree. I'm sure California is nice; but if I got a rank to match call from the Brigham, I would be moving to Boston. You can always practice in CA.
 
gyngyn said:
They must have something that gives W VA hope.
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I don't really see what that could be for me. NY resident, lived in NY until High school then went to Iowa for undergrad.. No family in Virginia, nothing about Virginia anywhere in my app.. Is it just because I went to a far away state for undergrad? I guess maybe that shows that I'm not really grounded anywhere? That's the only thing I can think of. I guess they are right since I don't really know where I would want to live permanently..
 
partypantss said:
I don't really see what that could be for me. NY resident, lived in NY until High school then went to Iowa for undergrad.. No family in Virginia, nothing about Virginia anywhere in my app.. Is it just because I went to a far away state for undergrad? I guess maybe that shows that I'm not really grounded anywhere? That's the only thing I can think of. I guess they are right since I don't really know where I would want to live permanently..
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That actually could be it.
 
gyngyn said:
I find it a bit confusing that students who are candidates for the finest residencies in the country would prefer a middle of the road program in CA.
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I've had students rank them after all other CA programs.

Edit: I didn't realize you could accidentally reply to yourself!
 
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gyngyn said:
I've had students rank them after all other CA programs.
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It's because they know they can't adapt their CA lifestyle to other places in the country..
Quite sad, honestly. California could use some of their people leaving tbh
 
If they're native Californians, I surmise that the call of home is powerful. This partly explains why such a risky enterprise as CNU can fill up so fast.



gyngyn said:
I find it a bit confusing that students who are candidates for the finest residencies in the country would prefer a middle of the road program in CA.
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gyngyn said:
I've had students rank them after all other CA programs.
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Goro said:
If they're native Californians, I surmise that the call of home is powerful. This partly explains why such a risky enterprise as CNU can fill up so fast.
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That is so funny because on the east coast, people from DC have no problem going to Boston or New York, or even somewhere like Atlanta. Which in the context of CA is all one state because of its size..
Those people who think CA should be split up into different states? I think they have a point.
 
gyngyn said:
I've had students rank them after all other CA programs.
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I'm obviously not overly knowledgeable about the match, but with a program like Brigham and Women's, not ranking them first or second (seems like just first) would be a kiss of death there, wouldn't it? Why bother ranking it at all?
 
mw18 said:
I'm obviously not overly knowledgeable about the match, but with a program like Brigham and Women's, not ranking them first or second (seems like just first) would be a kiss of death there, wouldn't it? Why bother ranking it at all?
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The Match algorithm favors the applicant.
If no CA program ranks them high enough and they are ranked to match at the Brigham, they will match there. The odds that no program in CA would rank them highly enough is low, though.
It is saying you would prefer not to match there by ranking them below other programs.
 
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gyngyn said:
The Match algorithm favors the applicant.
If no CA program ranks them high enough and they are ranked to match at the Brigham, they will match there. The odds that no program in CA would rank them highly enough is low, though.
It is saying you would prefer not to match there by ranking them below other programs.
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I didn't realize it was set up to favor the applicant that way. Thanks for the info! That's really good to know. And, yeah, if you are Brigham-worthy it seems a Cali program would rank you.

I thought it was mutually beneficial where even if they ranked you highly you would only match if you ranked them relatively highly as well.
 
mw18 said:
I thought it was mutually beneficial where even if they ranked you highly you would only match if you ranked them relatively highly as well.
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It would, assuming some other place did not rank you higher than Brigham ranked you. If someplace did, then you would not match Brigham. Now high those rankings have to be is the mathematical science behind the algorithm.
 
avgn said:
It would, assuming some other place did not rank you higher than Brigham ranked you. If someplace did, then you would not match Brigham. Now high those rankings have to be is the mathematical science behind the algorithm.
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The way @gyngyn explained it you wouldn't have to rank them highly at all. Just rank them at all, and not be ranked by any other program.

What I was saying is that since so many people would rank B&W so highly that the lack of interest by ranking them, say, out of your top 5 would make it nearly impossible to still match there. Because I thought it would factor mutual high interest in. But as long as nobody you like more ranks you higher(again, not likely if you're that type of applicant), you can match there even if you ranked them last.
 
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avgn said:
It would, assuming some other place did not rank you higher than Brigham ranked you. If someplace did, then you would not match Brigham. Now high those rankings have to be is the mathematical science behind the algorithm.
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No.
The match algorithm starts with the applicant list, not the program.
If the candidate's 1st choice did not rank her to match, it goes to the candidate's second choice, and so on. http://www.nrmp.org/match-process/match-algorithm/
 
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mw18 said:
The way @gyngyn explained it you wouldn't have to rank them highly at all. Just rank them at all, and not be ranked by any other program.

What I was saying is that since so many people would rank B&W so highly that the lack of interest by ranking them, say, out of your top 5 would make it nearly impossible to still match there. Because I thought it would factor mutual high interest in. But as long as nobody you like more ranks you higher(again, not likely if you're that type of applicant), you can match there even if you ranked them last.
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It has more to do with the fact that one of her other higher ranked programs would have ranked her to match.
 
gyngyn said:
It has more to do with the fact that one of her other higher ranked programs would have ranked her to match.
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Oh, yeah I get it now. I was saying that was my line of thinking before your explanation. Thanks! It changes my perspective on the match.
 
gyngyn said:
I find it a bit confusing that students who are candidates for the finest residencies in the country would prefer a middle of the road program in CA.
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Probably because Ca tweens view the rest of the country like this...
 

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MrTaco92 said:
Apparently EVMS automatically screens out OOS applicants with a sub-30 mcat. I probably shouldve looked into that some more before applying, but I at least appreciate the fact that they sent the rejection email quickly.


I'm a NJ resident with an invite there as well with no ties to the state. I live in the suburbs and never mentioned anything about practicing medicine in a rural area in my app. So I still cant quite figure out what they look for in an applicant.
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Just out of curiosity where did you hear about this screen? Their range on MSAR, I thought, dipped into the high 20s. I also got rejected pre-secondary too, womp
 
MedBlue515 said:
Just out of curiosity where did you hear about this screen? Their range on MSAR, I thought, dipped into the high 20s. I also got rejected pre-secondary too, womp
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I was checking out some old threads here and it's just what other people have heard. There's no written rule about it anywhere on their own website though. One person mentions it, for example, midway down first page of this thread here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ia-medical-school-application-thread.1073988/
 
Goro said:
If they're native Californians, I surmise that the call of home is powerful. This partly explains why such a risky enterprise as CNU can fill up so fast.
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Being Californian and trying to apply OOS is suffering.
 
Waiting for that Penn rejection, though. Come at me. 🙁
 
MedBlue515 said:
Just out of curiosity where did you hear about this screen? Their range on MSAR, I thought, dipped into the high 20s. I also got rejected pre-secondary too, womp
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They probably screen more heavily for OOS with sub 30 MCATs, but they don't outright reject.

I received a secondary from EVMS with a 28.
 
medic86 said:
They probably screen more heavily for OOS with sub 30 MCATs, but they don't outright reject.

I received a secondary from EVMS with a 28.
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I got one too with a sub-30 but decided not to submit it. Someone on one of these threads called EVMS admissions who apparently said something to the effect that OOS with < 30 aren't even really considered to interview.
 
mw18 said:
Absolutely agree. I'm sure California is nice; but if I got a rank to match call from the Brigham, I would be moving to Boston. You can always practice in CA.
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Whoa, I read Brigham as BYU in Utah, not Boston. Ha ha ha joke is on me.
 
Just EVMS so far for me, (pre-secondary, <30 MCAT). I actually appreciated not having to pay $100 for a secondary at a school I apparently had no shot at.

The rest of my apps are in admissions purgatory, (aka complete, but no news from schools).
 
almostnever said:
Just EVMS so far for me, (pre-secondary, <30 MCAT). I actually appreciated not having to pay $100 for a secondary at a school I apparently had no shot at.

The rest of my apps are in admissions purgatory, (aka complete, but no news from schools).
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+1 purgatory. Got a 507 so I'm borderline like you!
 
gyngyn said:
Undershooting results in rejections just as effectively as overshooting.
I find it interesting that applicants understand the latter so much better than the former.
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I've been wondering about that. I didn't apply to many low-tier schools for that reason, and I've been thinking it was a bad idea not to. I guess it was okay then. (516/95%, 3.95)
 
rocklobstr said:
I've been wondering about that. I didn't apply to many low-tier schools for that reason, and I've been thinking it was a bad idea not to. I guess it was okay then. (516/95%, 3.95)
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As long as you applied to state school(s) and a sufficient number of targets you should be fine .
 
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gyngyn said:
As long as you applied to state school(s) and a sufficient number of targets you should be fine .
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Yup! Did that! 17 total, I think about 8 or so were within my mcat range, and my state school was below my mcat.

Unfortunately, with only 1 state school, there were only so many mid/target schools that are OOS friendly.
 
rocklobstr said:
Yup! Did that! 17 total, I think about 8 or so were within my mcat range, and my state school was below my mcat.

Unfortunately, with only 1 state school, there were only so many mid/target schools that are OOS friendly.
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There are plenty. It sounds like you got them.
One good state school that gives a 36.6% IS matriculation is a blessing.
 
Rejected OOS from Mizzou today 🙁 Born in Kansas City, MO and have family all over the state that I've gone back to see every year since leaving. Lizzy M ~74
 
Small pooled at one school. Silent everywhere else
 
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