Anyone else been on a long as heck journey

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Been "pre=med" for decades, LOL!!! LOTS of life's ups and downs and some med school app success, but for me it all boiled down to the right time for ME.

This year is about the right time now! 😉
 
Hey guys, I have been on the road towards preparing to apply to med school for the past five years. At this point, I am tired as heck and am getting discouraged....If it weren't for my fiance and my mother, I dont know what the heck id do. I am now 27, and I just get so depressed when I see other people graduating from med school who graduated from undergrad after me, or at the same time. Don't get me wrong, Im happy for them, but it just reminds me of my current situation..anyone else been on a long journey towards becoming a doctor?
I also am 27! But unlike you, I am in my third year of undergrad, and my undergrad is going to take at least 3 more years, maybe more. I am choosing a bs over a ba, and my background in high school was (exaggerated ) 100% humanities, aaaand I grew up in an interesting family dynamic that required me to grow up and take care of myself a little early, so from high school to 24 I worked, moved around, and sort of found myself. As one eloquent comment suggested, we nontrads go a certain distance to find that we aren't happy with where we are. My dream was always to attend college, but I never knew what I wanted to do until a coworker told me about a clinical internship she participated in. I gave it a go and found out I have a knack for patient care. I ended up progressing to leadership in that internship. I miss it very much. It's so hard to keep your head in the game, especially when most of my friends are college graduates and the fellow interns I worked with were from (forgive me) wealthy, educated families, already completing their undergrad and taking the MCAT. Not all of them, to be sure, but it has a diminishing effect at first. Either way, I know I'm no sage but at least you know you're not alone, and at least you're ahead of me!!
 
Reading some of the older comments from this thread was interesting. Reading Nasrudin's comments really made me think about the role of the older, established-in-their-career SDN forum posters. I totally agreed with what Nasrudin said to the effect of "It was only after all the way in that I realized Panda was right. And I can see that the me talking to him is now the you talking to me." I remember when I was just starting out and reading SDN - seeing all the optimistic and idealistic premed posts peppered with the occasional foreboding and negative comments from the established physicians at the end of the training process. I would read those posts and believe them, but would allow myself this magical thinking where somehow it just didn't apply to me, because I was different. I went into it thinking that my love of learning along with pursuing a career that really meant something would win out over all the bull$%&* of medicine. And now, on the other end? I definitely realize how naive and idealistic I really was. I also realize that there was no way anyone was going to talk me out of it, just as I know it is unlikely that I could ever talk anyone on this forum out of a career in medicine if they really want it.

Luckily, I ended up being happy with this career. I picked a specialty that is a little kinder regarding lifestyle, and I just happen to have a personality and disposition that suits me well to outpatient medicine. Anyway, in response to Q's concern that there aren't enough fellows and attendings coming back to the forum, I am trying to be better about stopping in here now and then. This forum helped me so much when I was starting out! Plus its a great procrastination tool when I'm supposed to be writing notes or reviewing articles!
 
I have never EVER met a person that pursued medicine after age 30, who regretted it.

The way the system is set up now, admissions committees prefer matriculants who barely "know" themselves at least that's how I see ages under ~25. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that there are folks who dislike medicine for one reason or another.

And I mean no disrespect to folks under 25, just that there's a reason a minimum age to be President exists. Medicine should be no different especially considering the life saving decisions that are regularly made.
 
How many people who pursued medicine after age 30 do you know? I know lots, and some deeply regret it. Others don't. Age isn't as important of a factor as commitment to pursuit of the goal is. In most countries besides the US and Canada, students commit to a career in medicine at age 18, similar to the combined BS/MD programs we have in this country. There are both advantages and disadvantages to going through training in your teens/early 20s versus being 30+. One of the big advantages such young trainees have is that they can focus on their training so single-mindedly at that age.

I went to med school in my 30s, and in my own case, regret is too strong of a word. It's probably most accurate to say that I'm noncommittal. Looking back through the retrospectroscope, I don't think I should have gone to medical school. I don't hate medicine; there are just other things I'd rather be doing with my time. Now entering my 40s, my priorities have changed compared to what they were a decade ago. But now that I'm here, it's not like I'm living in a torture chamber. The job is tolerable. And I'm going to be afforded the opportunity to retire early and focus on other things that mean a lot to me. Every now and then, I even manage to do something useful for someone. Unfortunately, it's not as often as you premeds or I might wish.

I've come to the conclusion that even with due diligence, one can't always know if medicine is going to be a good fit. A big part of the problem is that both you and medicine are moving targets. It's hard enough for a premed to get a real sense of whether medicine is a good fit for them as they are now, let alone for the person they will become in a decade or two. The 30-year-old me had a different set of goals in mind than the 40-year-old me does. Not to mention how much medicine itself has changed in the past decade.
 
Well Q,
If you didn't pursue your dream toward medicine, I'm sure you'd be regretting it why you didn't. There're two sides of a coin. We're really grateful that you gave out such great advices. In reality, we cannot stop. We already made up our mind. I'm sure medicine are not all flowers and rainbows. I can live with mistakes/wrong decisions but I cannot live with "what if". Most nontrad feel the same way.
 
Unless you're smeagol from lord of the rings. Don't say advices.

Such a creepy bastardization of the American language. /neurotic pet peeve
 
This is probably nothing compared to what you guys have gone through but instead of applying junior year which seems to be the traditional route, I'm going to apply after graduation. So I'll be a year behind. I need that extra year to study for MCATs, build my grades, etc. I think a year off before medical school will be nice anyway. I'm not regretful.

My parents love giving me crap though for "wasting a year."
 
6 years I've been on this road. 4 application cycles. My classmates from undergrad are residents now. Parents and most of the family lost faith in me. Black sheep back in my home community. Doctors and professors telling me I'm wasting my time, that because of my undergrad I'm a failure (which I was) and that I will never become a doctor (screw them). Hmm...all I got to say is, I know that feel bro.
 
How many people who pursued medicine after age 30 do you know? I know lots, and some deeply regret it. .
A LOT, some of whom are from oldpremeds. The happiest seem to be in the age 35+ group.

I went to med school in my 30s, and in my own case, regret is too strong of a word. It's probably most accurate to say that I'm noncommittal. Looking back through the retrospectroscope, I don't think I should have gone to medical school.

* PLEASE don't take what I''m about to say the wrong way.........
I've been reading your comments off and on for ~ a decade, more off than on past 5 or so years. So if I'm assuming incorrectly on some "issues" in your life, feel free to correct me.
I always saw you as more "Scientist" than Physician/Scientist for a number of reasons, so your comment about not going to med school isn't surprising. (And yeah, people say the exact same things about me). Second, I've had a spouse and kid to keep me "grounded in life" and if you've been on this arduous path without either of those, then your perspective is significantly different that a career person (like me) who had those "grounding" people around. Not better or worse, just different. So if for example, I had put off marriage/kids for med school, then found myself 38+ without either or just a spouse when I wanted both, I'd probably feel some kinda way about medicine too. As it stands, that's the story of quite a few women who pursued medicine and if this isn't your story, that's great.

So while age may not be the "rate limiting factor" in who enjoys medicine and who doesn't, people in general seem to see life significantly different and more optimistically I'd say, through the eyes of their spouses/kids. And any nontrad with a spouse and kid(s) who thinks medicine/life still sucks, feel free to disagree!!
 
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I can live with mistakes/wrong decisions but I cannot live with "what if". Most nontrad feel the same way.

Someone very close to me was on their death bed and the one regret this person mentioned a few days before they died was about not finishing law school.

Needless to say, this will NOT be me as long as I'm here and able.
 
Made the decision to go to med school 17 months ago..and i'm 17 months away from applying. (Kinda) half way there lol. But not really
 
* PLEASE don't take what I''m about to say the wrong way.........
I've been reading your comments off and on for ~ a decade, more off than on past 5 or so years. So if I'm assuming incorrectly on some "issues" in your life, feel free to correct me.
Fascinatingly, you're completely wrong....on both counts.

I always saw you as more "Scientist" than Physician/Scientist for a number of reasons, so your comment about not going to med school isn't surprising. (And yeah, people say the exact same things about me).
I recognized long before finishing my PhD that I would never be a PI. While being a grad student was fun, sitting in an office all day writing grants and attending meetings, not so much. Ultimately, I just didn't love science enough to devote my life to it to the point where I'd be successful at it.

Second, I've had a spouse and kid to keep me "grounded in life" and if you've been on this arduous path without either of those, then your perspective is significantly different that a career person (like me) who had those "grounding" people around. Not better or worse, just different. So if for example, I had put off marriage/kids for med school, then found myself 38+ without either or just a spouse when I wanted both, I'd probably feel some kinda way about medicine too. As it stands, that's the story of quite a few women who pursued medicine and if this isn't your story, that's great.
It's not. I knew by age 15 that I would never have my own kids. My mom thought I'd change my mind, but in the subsequent 25 years, I never have. Don't get me wrong: I like kids. I love my niece like my own, and if anything ever happens to her parents, I'll be the one to finish raising her. But besides the fact that I love my sister and hope she sticks around for a long time for that reason, I don't want to be my niece's primary caretaker.

My ex and I got engaged while we were still in college. That relationship was the kind of "grounding force" that would have ensured my dream never got off the ground, so to speak. It was only by escaping from it that I became free to pursue a goal as ambitious as attending medical school. Had we stayed together, I would never have attempted it.
 
Someone very close to me was on their death bed and the one regret this person mentioned a few days before they died was about not finishing law school.

Needless to say, this will NOT be me as long as I'm here and able.
Well then, good luck in law school! LOL
 
If I were 10 years younger, Law school would have been on the agenda for sure!!😉

I know of nurses over 40 that have completed law school. . .some doctors too.
 
I think MD/PhD or DO/PhD will be quite enough, LOL!! 😉


Yep. 👍

Either that or MD/DO, PhD, ScD, DNP, JD, AND OTHER LAME, EARNED OR HONORARY ALPHABET SOUP THAT NO ONE GIVES A CRAP ABOUT.

Apparently the more crap behind your name, the greater but more annoying human being you are.:cigar:
 
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Tao, I personally believe so much of this love, life, or hate, or somewhere in-between for medicine or any path is grounded in a person's philosophical and/or spiritual perspective. Any sense of existentialism to me is limited b/c of a different perspective and view.

So, for me, it is in sensing a direction and a leading to things other than me--other than how smart I can or cannot be, what titles I achieve, how many people favor me, etc.

For me it's about "The whole is other than the sum of its parts." And although former is not a misquote and the forthcoming latter is,--we say so often the whole is greater than the some of its parts, both the former and latter are true.
The first is that it--the whole-- has an independent existence.
The second is that, the whole, indeed has become greater or somehow better, more powerful, more useful, more advantageous that the sum of its parts.

The most fascinating thing to me is that people are independent, yet dependent. They are the original accurate quote, independent, yet they are also dependent as the parts in sum come together.

Putting all the Gestalt aside, for me, at least, without a calling to something greater--something that keeps life at its most value, and to me, that is love, all things ultimately lead to a sense of banality. With every caring touch, we can make a difference for someone, whether they appreciate it or not. Every time we really listen we make a difference. Every time we lead someone to think in ways that can make their lives healthier--though we do not always see the immediate effects, we make a difference. And what we all want is instant gratification, but b/c people and their illness are complex, it's often hard to see or get to that instant gratification.

The prizes are more intrinsic than extrinsic. And if we can embrace that reality, our joy won't be diminished.
 
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