Anyone else lash at their non-med school friends?

[plasticsday1]

Anyone else lash at their non-med school friends who don't work even half our hours and actually get to live a fulfilling life? Not saying I regret med school, but I am asking if anyone just wants to punch their comp sci friend who works 6 hours a day, every other day at home, with a pool table and free meals everyday in the work place, in the fuking face sometimes?

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[Oso]

I get jealous oftentimes, yes, but it's not their fault they chose to have a regular job and lifestyle and we chose this craziness. I can't hate them for that .. only myself

tl;dr: no

 

[LebronManning]

Why? Just remember you're gonna be making triple ,if not more, than 99% of them one day and then for the rest of your life.

 

[ndafife]

No I'm not a bitter a**hole who feels the need to make sure everyone around me is as miserable as I am

 

[NRP]

I lash out at my med school friends more that keep CJing each other about how high and mighty they are about non med school individuals.

 

[Dro133]

I have a lot of comp sci/engineering friends who work at large companies. Honestly, most of them work really hard, and the ones that don't (and even some of the ones that do) are usually worried about layoffs.

 

[Redpancreas]

Am I a little jealous of my friends who are software engineers at Google/Microsoft? Sure because I’ll never be able to catch up with someone earning 250K (starting) out of undergrad even if I did spine surgery or high volume interventional cards, but also keep in mind these are pretty talented individuals. I get more annoyed though at people who use the occupation of medical student to make themselves seem more important than other individuals in their lives. It’s weak-minded thinking that others will see through and one should seek to rise above it. There are so many people who're smarter and bolder than medical student matriculants who are willing to take on some uncertainty to bring something unique to this world. While we as doctors have worked hard, I think it's actually a relatively easy path...especially for the large majority of us raised in upper middle class households with doctor parents.

 

[PhillyMed777]

annoyed though at people who use the occupation of medical student to make themselves seem more important than other individuals in their lives. It’s weak-minded thinking that others will see through and one should seek to rise above it.

beautifully said

...and yes, initially I lashed out (mildly). It prob came from a part of me that realized they will never understand my personal story/struggle. But i got over it and learned quickly. I know they will never understand so I stopped trying to explain it and pretended that most things are, at worst, OK. Sadly, complaining even if rooted in truth is just annoying to most people.

As for those friends who are engineers at google -- I have a few currently. I remember those guys being way smarter than me. So it's cool. I would not stand ground with them.

 

[LebronManning]

Am I a little jealous of my friends who are software engineers at Google/Microsoft? Sure because I’ll never be able to catch up with someone earning 250K starting out of undergrad, but also keep in mind these are pretty talented individuals. I get more annoyed though at people who use the occupation of medical student to make themselves seem more important than other individuals in their lives. It’s weak-minded thinking that others will see through and one should seek to rise above it.

No one makes 250k out of undergrad.

 

[ParallelLines]

Am I a little jealous of my friends who are software engineers at Google/Microsoft? Sure because I’ll never be able to catch up with someone earning 250K starting out of undergrad, but also keep in mind these are pretty talented individuals. I get more annoyed though at people who use the occupation of medical student to make themselves seem more important than other individuals in their lives. It’s weak-minded thinking that others will see through and one should seek to rise above it.

I feel like you have to be the reincarnation of Steve Jobs to get that much out of undergrad.

 

[Redpancreas]

I feel like you have to be the reincarnation of Steve Jobs to get that much out of undergrad.

If you get selected after the internship for these companies and pass all their coding interviewing and such, you can get 300K (including stock options) with a potential to earn higher...so fine...a year out of undergrad but the internship is paid too and you have access to all the perks.

 

[Redpancreas]

As for those friends who are engineers at google -- I have a few currently. I remember those guys being way smarter than me. So it's cool. I would not stand ground with them.

Exactly, completely agree.

 

[Perrotfish]

If you get selected after the internship for these companies and pass all their coding interviewing and such, you can get 300K (including stock options) with a potential to earn higher...so fine...a year out of undergrad but the internship is paid too and you have access to all the perks.

300K twice the highest average startibg salary for a new graduate of an Ivy league MBA program. Not saying it's never happened but it's not exactly a normal starting salary for a coder

 

[Redpancreas]

300K twice the highest average startibg salary for a new graduate of an Ivy league MBA program. Not saying it's never happened but it's not exactly a normal starting salary for a coder

Agreed, it’s definitely not.

 

[MSTPlease]

A little jealous? Yeah, sometimes. I even get a little jealous of my former classmates who are already attendings and fellows while I'm about to start residency.

Lash out? No. Control yourself bro.

 

[Disciple of Sattar]

Anyone else lash at their non-med school friends who don't work even half our hours and actually get to live a fulfilling life? Not saying I regret med school, but I am asking if anyone just wants to punch their comp sci friend who works 6 hours a day, every other day at home, with a pool table and free meals everyday in the work place, in the fuking face sometimes?

I mean, you could do what they are doing if you really wanted to.

 

[Money Moniker]

Highest entry level dev salary I have personally heard of from a school with a Top 5 CS program was 150k but this was in like 2014 so it might well be higher now. The dude only got that much because he had at least two of the famous Silicon Valley firms trying to snatch him and that bid up the price.

It's almost impossible to make spine surgery money as a dev unless you luck out and get in on the ground floor at a startup, or you're like one of the top 5 guys in your niche in the entire WORLD. Sure, if you're faculty at MIT pushing the boundaries of natural language processing and Google decides to swoop down to grab you they'll do so with a mid 6 figure salary and stock options and bonuses worth millions. Personally, I know my limitations. I'm smart enough to crush the MCAT (and hopefully Step I), but I'm not smart enough to crush the boundaries of existing human capability in the hard sciences. Nor am I socially dominant enough to back-slap my way to the C-suite by age 40. That basically leaves medicine as the only realistic way to make a decent buck lol.

 

[kb1900]

No one makes 250k out of undergrad.

False.

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

No one makes 250k out of undergrad.

I feel like you have to be the reincarnation of Steve Jobs to get that much out of undergrad.

First day out of undergrad? Yea that’s probably not happening.

But within a year or two? It certainly happens expecially among people who use their CS degrees to persue finance. Personally I’ve got 2 friends from college both clearing that much after 2 years out. One doing CS consulting in San Fran and the other doing financial modeling for a big bank in NYC. That said 250k in those city’s doesn’t go nearly as far as it would anywhere else in the country.

Edit: to be clear they’re not working 6 hours a day from home. They’re working 16 hours a day in a cubicle with a boss constantly cracking the whip over their shoulder. The company paying for food thing is acurate though...

 

[Ho0v-man]

When i look at the lives of all my friends from college and how much free time and happiness they have...

I really just want to punch myself in the face. This is my fault.

 

[ParallelLines]

First day out of undergrad? Yea that’s probably not happening.

But within a year or two? It certainly happens expecially among people who use their CS degrees to persue finance. Personally I’ve got 2 friends from college both clearing that much after 2 years out. One doing CS consulting in San Fran and the other doing financial modeling for a big bank in NYC. That said 250k in those city’s doesn’t go nearly as far as it would anywhere else in the country.

Edit: to be clear they’re not working 6 hours a day from home. They’re working 16 hours a day in a cubicle with a boss constantly cracking the whip over their shoulder. The company paying for food thing is acurate though...

Sounds...wonderful

 

[Oso]

When i look at the lives of all my friends from college and how much free time and happiness they have...

I really just want to punch myself in the face. This is my fault.

Anyone wanna get together periodically and just punch each other in the face for this?

Let’s see, I’m available..... in 40ish years after I retire.

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

In residency, I wanted to lash out when people would complain about their 40 hr workweeks when I worked 80-100 hrs and weekends. But I didn’t, because they chose that life and I chose my life. What’s hard for them is all in their perception, and it’s not fair for me to be angry at that.

When this happens, just go through your thoughts in a logical rather than emotional fashion, and you’ll find that most of your concerns are trivial.


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[Osminog]

Anyone wanna get together periodically and just punch each other in the face for this?

I've heard of punch being served at parties... but that sounds quite different from what I had imagined.

 

[machete fred]

Anyone else lash at their non-med school friends who don't work even half our hours and actually get to live a fulfilling life? Not saying I regret med school, but I am asking if anyone just wants to punch their comp sci friend who works 6 hours a day, every other day at home, with a pool table and free meals everyday in the work place, in the fuking face sometimes?

Nobody is forcing you to be in medical school

 

[KirinMD]

I just read through OP’s post history and found out that they also wrote the post about regretting a full ride over NYU just because of its random jump in the rankings this year. It all makes sense now.

Listen, OP, you might be book smart, but your previous posts and comments all point to you being a person that I would absolutely not enjoy working with irl. I suggest you stop complaining and mulling over the million what-if’s in your head for once. That’s a one-way ticket to constant dissatisfaction, which is already clearly evident btw.

tl;dr chill.

 

[MityMo66]

If you get selected after the internship for these companies and pass all their coding interviewing and such, you can get 300K (including stock options) with a potential to earn higher...so fine...a year out of undergrad but the internship is paid too and you have access to all the perks.

Dude, I've been to law school, B-school and have several cybersecurity certs. No one gets $300K plus SO's within a year of undergrad with no previous experience. Even if they have experience it's going to be in the low $100K's. If someone is combining their salary which is probably low to mid $100K's plus bonuses maybe MAYBE they will come close to $200K But salary wise, no, it's low $100K's to start. Usually high 5 figures because they have no experience. Now I am looking at med school and the starting salaries are low to high six figures.

Anyone who tells you that they make $300K out of the gate, ask to see their first three paystubs.

 

[IM-2019]

Highest entry level dev salary I have personally heard of from a school with a Top 5 CS program was 150k but this was in like 2014 so it might well be higher now. The dude only got that much because he had at least two of the famous Silicon Valley firms trying to snatch him and that bid up the price.

It's almost impossible to make spine surgery money as a dev unless you luck out and get in on the ground floor at a startup, or you're like one of the top 5 guys in your niche in the entire WORLD. Sure, if you're faculty at MIT pushing the boundaries of natural language processing and Google decides to swoop down to grab you they'll do so with a mid 6 figure salary and stock options and bonuses worth millions. Personally, I know my limitations. I'm smart enough to crush the MCAT (and hopefully Step I), but I'm not smart enough to crush the boundaries of existing human capability in the hard sciences. Nor am I socially dominant enough to back-slap my way to the C-suite by age 40. That basically leaves medicine as the only realistic way to make a decent buck lol.

Experienced AI/machine learning folk are pulling that kind of money commonly according to some articles, but that's because the demand exploded recently and there's not that many with significant experience in the field. And these guys who are making those salaries are geniuses, on average probably much higher achieving academically than most physicians + pretty strong work ethic too.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Lol no, and why should I? I chose not do that career so I don’t know why I would have a right to be angry at them for it?

2 yrs out of ug my best friend is already clearing 100k and will probably double or triple that by the time I’m out of training. I’m nothing but happy for him because I would be in a dark place if I had to do business like that on a daily basis, regardless of the hours and pay.

 

[managedcarefin]

Context is everything. If you realize what they put in (hint, they don't work 6 hours a day) you wouldn't be envious of where they are, just like they aren't envious of your position.

 

[mistafab]

This is literally the life you chose.

 

[NuttyEngDude]

Tech Giants Are Paying Huge Salaries for Scarce A.I. Talent
Typical A.I. specialists, including both Ph.D.s fresh out of school and people with less education and just a few years of experience, can be paid from $300,000 to $500,000 a year or more in salary and company stock, according to nine people who work for major tech companies or have entertained job offers from them. All of them requested anonymity because they did not want to damage their professional prospects.

Well-known names in the A.I. field have received compensation in salary and shares in a company’s stock that total single- or double-digit millions over a four- or five-year period. And at some point they renew or negotiate a new contract, much like a professional athlete.


A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1 Million, Even at a Nonprofit
SAN FRANCISCO — One of the poorest-kept secrets in Silicon Valley has been the huge salaries and bonuses that experts in artificial intelligence can command. Now, a little-noticed tax filing by a research lab called OpenAI has made some of those eye-popping figures public.

OpenAI paid its top researcher, Ilya Sutskever, more than $1.9 million in 2016. It paid another leading researcher, Ian Goodfellow, more than $800,000 — even though he was not hired until March of that year. Both were recruited from Google.

A third big name in the field, the roboticist Pieter Abbeel, made $425,000, though he did not join until June 2016, after taking a leave from his job as a professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Those figures all include signing bonuses.

Keep in mind, that this is not typical.

 

[Donald Juan]

Jesus, why is it that everyone here has friends who make the top 0.01% of their field starting off straight out of undergrad? If I lived in the universe of all of you I would definitely regret going to med school.

 

[Treebeard]

I quit a 40 hour/week, 75k/year job to go to medical school. I definitely could have been in the high 100ks if I stuck with the job for the 7-10 years I'll be training in medicine.

Therefore, I have no one to hate but myself.

 

[mcat_taker]

No one makes 250k out of undergrad.

maybe yes maybe no, but people can easily make that much money in finance or consulting within a few short years. Especially with an ivy league pedigree and going into big firms. In fact, going to med school is not really the best option to make money unless you have no other talents to speak of. But reimbursements are also not what they were in the past for most practicing physicians coupled with the debt and long periods of training to get to any real money.

I always say I chose medicine because I wasn't smart enough to do anything else that paid well 😉

Maybe you aren't familiar with the salaries you can make working in private equity, venture capital, growth equity, investment banking at big shops. But you have to remember that those young professional high earners are all extremely bright and work extremely hard and long hours like @managedcarefin mentions.

 

[LebronManning]

maybe yes maybe no, but people can easily make that much money in finance or consulting within a few short years. Especially with an ivy league pedigree and going into big firms. In fact, going to med school is not really the best option to make money unless you have no other talents to speak of. But reimbursements are also not what they were in the past for most practicing physicians coupled with the debt and long periods of training to get to any real money.

I always say I chose medicine because I wasn't smart enough to do anything else that paid well 😉

Maybe you aren't familiar with the salaries you can make working in private equity, venture capital, growth equity, investment banking at big shops. But you have to remember that those young professional high earners are all extremely bright and work extremely hard and long hours like @managedcarefin mentions.

Sure the big fish in the finance industry make doctors salaries look like chump change but you have to realize how small of a portion of that population is. Half the college students if not more in this country study business/finance....maybe 1% will ever make greater than 500K. That small 1% will also be making millions more than physicians, I agree. The thing with medicine is that any physician can make 250k while the top echelon make in the 7 figures as well. And with medicine, you don't have to worry about losing your job or riding the economy.

The vast vast majority (>90%) of those in the finance industry will never see 250k in one year in their lives.

Check this out: Investment Banking vs Medicine: Which Will Make You Richer? Which Will Make You Happier? — Alex Ding

 

[psychMDhopefully]

This is literally the life you chose.

Not really, most people were aware med school with be time consuming and academically challenging, most were not aware that its absolutely miserable and that you have virtually no free time. Add the mental abuse you receive during the years and years of training, and I believe most med students would not chose to pursue medicine again if they were their 18 y/o self and knew the actual sacrifices they would have to make.

 

[LebronManning]

Not really, most people were aware med school with be time consuming and academically challenging, most were not aware that its absolutely miserable and that you have virtually no free time. Add the mental abuse you receive during the years and years of training, and I believe most med students would not chose to pursue medicine again if they were their 18 y/o self and knew the actual sacrifices they would have to make.

It's not that dramatic or that bad. Maybe some people didn't do enough research into the career they were pursuing, happens in all fields.

 

[Treebeard]

Not really, most people were aware med school with be time consuming and academically challenging, most were not aware that its absolutely miserable and that you have virtually no free time. Add the mental abuse you receive during the years and years of training, and I believe most med students would not chose to pursue medicine again if they were their 18 y/o self and knew the actual sacrifices they would have to make.

If you went to med school without talking to or interacting with any med students...well....

 

[mw18]

Not really, most people were aware med school with be time consuming and academically challenging, most were not aware that its absolutely miserable and that you have virtually no free time. Add the mental abuse you receive during the years and years of training, and I believe most med students would not chose to pursue medicine again if they were their 18 y/o self and knew the actual sacrifices they would have to make.

I'm finishing third year and I've yet to feel miserable and I've had free time. Not an unlimited amount, but enough to have watched a ton of Netflix, exercise, and spend time with my family. I also sleep a lot each night on most rotations.

 

[mcat_taker]

Not really, most people were aware med school with be time consuming and academically challenging, most were not aware that its absolutely miserable and that you have virtually no free time. Add the mental abuse you receive during the years and years of training, and I believe most med students would not chose to pursue medicine again if they were their 18 y/o self and knew the actual sacrifices they would have to make.

Haha some truth to it. There are sacrifices for sure. Thats why there are some pros to going into medicine later-- your friends who are working professionals become less fun as they become busier and settle down so you don't get as much FOMO.

Coupled with the fact that once you get to rotations medicine doesn't seem as glamorous as it did to your idealized self back years ago haha. On rotations seeing the endless amount of time writing notes and not seeing patients, dumb consults, stupid administrative things, crazy residency hours and low pay during those years, early hours, weekends working.

Sure you see cool stuff every once in a while, but you get exposed to much of the routine day to day stuff on rotations that is not fun at all but important to see as a student.

Also, it can be miserable at times but important to find some balance. It helps that most of my closest friends are all classmates of mine so we are all in it together. I don't feel as connected to my network outside of medicine anymore nor the desire to see them as much in my free time.

 

[Skiiiiiing]

Anyone else lash at their non-med school friends who don't work even half our hours and actually get to live a fulfilling life? Not saying I regret med school, but I am asking if anyone just wants to punch their comp sci friend who works 6 hours a day, every other day at home, with a pool table and free meals everyday in the work place, in the fuking face sometimes?

Short hours are overrated.

IT is great. Until you realize it's up or out constantly, and 99% out by 35

Displacement anger is common in adult life, where workplace anger is almost always destructive to express.

 

[Poit]

So I get put on probationary status for asking whether psychiatrists can pull tail, but this guy can drop the f word and his thread doesn't get shut down?

 

[Goro]

So I get put on probationary status for asking whether psychiatrists can pull tail, but this guy can drop the f word and his thread doesn't get shut down?

There's a difference between deliberate trolling, and being a loose cannon with a pathological "woe is me" attitude.

You CAN always report an offensive post.

I had wondered way I had OP on "ignore" (another wonderful function in SDN) and then Kirin reminded me!

 

[Candidate2017]

So I get put on probationary status for asking whether psychiatrists can pull tail, but this guy can drop the f word and his thread doesn't get shut down?

Yes to the former. Mad listening skillz + free time + sweaters + ability to grow glorious full beards + knowledge of borderline psyche = no can defend.