Anyone notice how many parallels there are between medicine and fixing cars?

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Both require using symptoms and histories to make accurate diagnosis. Both are often very hands on (replacing a timing belt vs performing a bypass). Both require strong problem solving skills, both require consideration if differential diagnosis, and both always have rare cases where a correct diagnosis cannot be made. Furthermore, encouraging prevention is important in both careers, such as exercise and diets in medicine, and oil changes/using the right fuel/replacing the timing belt on time in mechanics. The only difference is one works on irreplaceable people while the other works on replaceable machines.
 
Absolutely. If you listen to Car Talk you notice that they work through much of the same reasoning process even over the phone. Except you can change a timing belt straight out of high school vs. 15 more years of school and training for a CABG.
 
Your vascular surgeon is basically plumber. Your pipe burst, just leads to possible death instead of flooded basement.
 
Physicians are very similar to car mechanics in many respects, but we have to do our work without ever turning the "car" off.
 
Yes. Pretty similar. Not just car mechanics. Any technical job. Plumbing, carpenting etc is pretty similar to surgery
Some of the tech jobs and business jobs have similarities to internal medicine in terms of critical thinking, problem solving etc. different material
 
I notice it every day. Between car work and aquariums, I have spent a lot more time applying things I already know to the body than learning new diagnostic thinking or properties of physics for example. Good mechanics (not mindless parts replacers who are the midlevels of mechanics) use the exact same type of thinking as physicians and it's part of what drew me to medicine. There is definitely still a blue collar element to a lot of good specialties.
 
I notice it every day. Between car work and aquariums, I have spent a lot more time applying things I already know to the body than learning new diagnostic thinking or properties of physics for example. Good mechanics (not mindless parts replacers who are the midlevels of mechanics) use the exact same type of thinking as physicians and it's part of what drew me to medicine. There is definitely still a blue collar element to a lot of good specialties.

I started work in a local gas station (Al's Standard) when I was fourteen.
I pumped gas, cleaned windshields, checked oil levels, air pressure, etc.
My boss was an ace mechanic and a patient teacher.
I learned about cars and mechanical service.
Working in around an automotive shop exposed me to the need for creative problem solving and challenged me to think pragmatically.
I learned that a good automotive mechanic must be familiar with "normal", have the ability to recognize and define "abnormal", and have the experience and ability to right what's wrong.
For a growing teenager, it was a good job.

I did not like the effects the work had on my hands. Having "mechanics' hands" compelled me to explore alternative career fields.

Eventually, I got into medicine. I studied and learned human anatomy and physiology. I worked as an orderly, an R.N., and as a P.A..
I completed a post graduate P.A. residency in surgery/trauma/critical care.
I enjoyed a thirty (plus) year career...
and am now retired.

I found practicing medicine is much like automotive repair:
know "normal", identify and define "abnormal", and correct what's wrong.

Over the years, I have often related that I went into medicine because I enjoy combining knowledge, information, training, experience, and creative problem solving.
I like fixing what's wrong.
I went into medicine rather than automotive mechanics because...
Human Anatomy and Physiology does not change year after year,
there are fewer variations in human models and designs to be familiar with,
and,
my hands have been easier to clean.




addendum:
Please don't "roast" me because I was a P.A..
I am proud to say my "M.O." over the years was to "know what's really going on. Don't take the easy way out and make up a diagnosis to fit your agenda. Know what's really going on."
Yes! P.As. were created to ASSIST, not replace.
I remember when the AAPA and the AMA were strong supporters of each other and the AAPA EMPHASIZED Physician supervision.
 
I started work in a local gas station (Al's Standard) when I was fourteen.
I pumped gas, cleaned windshields, checked oil levels, air pressure, etc.
My boss was an ace mechanic and a patient teacher.
I learned about cars and mechanical service.
Working in around an automotive shop exposed me to the need for creative problem solving and challenged me to think pragmatically.
I learned that a good automotive mechanic must be familiar with "normal", have the ability to recognize and define "abnormal", and have the experience and ability to right what's wrong.
For a growing teenager, it was a good job.

I did not like the effects the work had on my hands. Having "mechanics' hands" compelled me to explore alternative career fields.

Eventually, I got into medicine. I studied and learned human anatomy and physiology. I worked as an orderly, an R.N., and as a P.A..
I completed a post graduate P.A. residency in surgery/trauma/critical care.
I enjoyed a thirty (plus) year career...
and am now retired.

I found practicing medicine is much like automotive repair:
know "normal", identify and define "abnormal", and correct what's wrong.

Over the years, I have often related that I went into medicine because I enjoy combining knowledge, information, training, experience, and creative problem solving.
I like fixing what's wrong.
I went into medicine rather than automotive mechanics because...
Human Anatomy and Physiology does not change year after year,
there are fewer variations in human models and designs to be familiar with,
and,
my hands have been easier to clean.




addendum:
Please don't "roast" me because I was a P.A..
I am proud to say my "M.O." over the years was to "know what's really going on. Don't take the easy way out and make up a diagnosis to fit your agenda. Know what's really going on."
Yes! P.As. were created to ASSIST, not replace.
I remember when the AAPA and the AMA were strong supporters of each other and the AAPA EMPHASIZED Physician supervision.

Everyone appreciates PAs like you.
 
Except the owner of the call listens and says "alright lets fix it" rather than disagree and say "well I did some research of my own/ google said...."
 
I guess there's a "dear God please work" element that comes with both. It is nice knowing that if I screw up on my car the only one getting shafted is me though. Still, I enjoy every minute of it. Also, as the head of the household I feel like that's my department. Too many shady mechanics out there to trust them to do everything right. You gotta keep an eye on everyone in this world and make sure they do their job.
 
Another field that is similar is IT. problem solving by knowing the underlying components and how they interact.
 
Wow, didn't realize this was a cliche. Should I not use this in my personal statement for residency? lol
 
Wow, didn't realize this was a cliche. Should I not use this in my personal statement for residency? lol
It'd be nice if you could do better. Also don't talk about playing guitar.
 
It'd be nice if you could do better. Also don't talk about playing guitar.

Damn, I am a bit of a gearhead though. I'm so excited about having my own garage and wrenching again some day.
 

Gawande makes this exact same comparison except in a negative connotation....
It's not particularly controversial to admit that car mechanics have a higher percentage of unsavory individuals in their ranks. It's why I started giving the used parts back to new clients and taking pictures during jobs to prove they weren't being ripped off. Your local quick lube will sell your wife or daughter 3 catalytic converters a year if they can. I don't feel like medicine is completely different. Lots of ****ty people in medicine too. They just don't have as many tattoos and drive a nicer car/live in a bigger house.
 
I mean medicine is about problem solving. But so is everything else lol
Like what job doesn't involve problem solving
 
I mean medicine is about problem solving. But so is everything else lol
Like what job doesn't involve problem solving
Administrators and HR in literally all industries would like to point out that their jobs are about problem creation for people who actually do something for a living.
 
Can someone explain why I pay more for my car insurance than health?
 
I mean medicine is about problem solving. But so is everything else lol
Like what job doesn't involve problem solving
Most money-making fields are lmao (law, IT, business, econ, accounting). Just problem-solving with different subject matter.
 
you live in a zip code that has excessive insurance losses, you drive a car that tends to have expensive collision, you are young and more likely to get into trouble.
Yeah all of this is covered in your undergrad risk management intro course.
 
Both require using symptoms and histories to make accurate diagnosis. Both are often very hands on (replacing a timing belt vs performing a bypass). Both require strong problem solving skills, both require consideration if differential diagnosis, and both always have rare cases where a correct diagnosis cannot be made. Furthermore, encouraging prevention is important in both careers, such as exercise and diets in medicine, and oil changes/using the right fuel/replacing the timing belt on time in mechanics. The only difference is one works on irreplaceable people while the other works on replaceable machines.
Cars don't bleed, vomit or defecate on you.
 
You can't get hep C or HIV from oil or grease.
tetnas, nec fas, death via a number of causes including but not limited to being crushed by a car, co poisioning, long term occupation exposure to asbestos, lead, gas fumes.
 
tetnas, nec fas, death via a number of causes including but not limited to being crushed by a car, co poisioning, long term occupation exposure to asbestos, lead, gas fumes.
Yeah, I've got to think that being a mechanic is far more dangerous than being a physician.
 
tetnas, nec fas, death via a number of causes including but not limited to being crushed by a car, co poisioning, long term occupation exposure to asbestos, lead, gas fumes.
Yeah... even a cursory skim through uworld should show that being a mechanic is more dangerous lol
You can't get hep C or HIV from oil or grease.
Goro you're a cool dude but you're not in medical school or a doctor lol. Maybe you should sit this out
 
Quote from my personal statement “I know everything I need to know about being an orthopedic surgeon already because I like working on cars. I also can’t wait to hit people with a hammer and charge them a lot of money while I do it.”
 
Quote from my personal statement “I know everything I need to know about being an orthopedic surgeon already because I like working on cars. I also can’t wait to hit people with a hammer and charge them a lot of money while I do it.”
3/5, does not mention weightlifting.
 
Mechanic -> med school here, came up a good bit in my interviews.

Have you tasted old rear diff fluid???

Or smelled burnt gear oil from a wrecked transfer case because the towtruck driver forgot to disconnect the front driveshaft before towing an AWD SUV...

Damn, I am a bit of a gearhead though. I'm so excited about having my own garage and wrenching again some day.

Future goals. My apartments lease 10x20 garages, so this is currently where all my tools stay and weekend endeavors occur lol. Current quarantine project is doing body work on my Jeep to prep for paint.
 
It seems so similar. Especially with surgical fields. The feelings I had in the OR during my surgery rotation gave me flashbacks to helping my dad work on cars when I was a child. I felt pretty useless trying to be helpful in either situation but there is definitely an uncanny similarity.
 
I was just fixing a fan belt on a backhoe today and had to feed my hands through a host of tubes and engine parts with a wrench and pliers and I couldn't help but think about the anatomy lab and abdominal dissections
 
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