Anyone on Temple's CCL list hear anything yet?

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Was up I was placed on the CCL list at Temple about two an a half weeks ago. I am an out of state resident, and was wondering if anyone on the CCL list has heard anything ?

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Damn no love...
 
I just found out I've been on the CCL since October or November. I haven't heard anything else. :-(
 
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out of state punks like us don't get any play time till "late spring" according to the letter. i guess that means we'll hear something in a month or so (at least one month--in my opinion).
 
I'm in-state, never actually received my CCL letter, just got an email after bugging them about it. Is it possible that they do not know or have overlooked the fact that I'm a PA resident, since my current address is in Ohio?
 
Suz that is a strong possibility. Caveman Temple ain't got no love for us out of staters. :p
 
Interviewed in early December. CCL'd in early January. No word since. Its going to be a long while before we hear anything I suspect, since you can be moved from the CCL list to the waitlist before they admit you.
 
i called and they said they've already accepted some out-of-state people. i asked if EVERYONE who isn't accepted is basically put on CCL and the guy on the line said he can't say or doesn't know how they decide who goes on CCL and who gets accepted, but that they HAVE accepted some from out-of-state. so that bites. he said they haven't set a specific date yet, but right now it looks like they'll be looking at the people on CCL (which i'm thinking is a LOT of people--cuz has anybody at all been rejected after the interview? not that i've heard of) at the end of May. so that's very very late. and i'm thinking at that point they won't be needing to take many off of CCL, so the odds don't look very good for Temple. i think that sucks. later
 
Thanks Caveman for calling. I am under the impression that Temple sees a lot of waitlist movement and that a lot of people withdraw after being accepted.
 
I sure hope a lot of people withdraw. Basically, people who are taking up most of the spaces at Temple right now are PA residents. I'm thinking that many of them also hold acceptance(s) at MCPH, Jefferson or Penn State. I wonder which school they'd generally prefer out of those four. The only thing that's clear to me is that MCPH would probably be at the bottom. I ask this, because I'm trying to assess the withdrawal movement of the PA people who hold acceptances already.
 
according to USnews they interviewed last year 1108 out of 7094 applicants. 465 were accepted and 206 enrolled. so the waitlist movement is decent, but with so many on the CCL list the possibilities of getting accepted become so diluted. 465/1108 = 42% of interviewees are accepted. what's your take?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•according to USnews they interviewed last year 1108 out of 7094 applicants. 465 were accepted and 206 enrolled. so the waitlist movement is decent, but with so many on the CCL list the possibilities of getting accepted become so diluted. 465/1108 = 42% of interviewees are accepted. what's your take?•••••The way I see it is this: Most schools interview you and then hodl your file for insane periods of time without telling you a thing. Temple created a "CCL" list whereby you are qualified and your interview went well. They then continue to hold your file for as long as they wish until you are rejected, waitlisted, or accepted. I think most schools do what Temple is doing, but Temple has named it and sends out a letter. Of course most out- of staters are on this list.

I will probably be withdrawing if offered an acceptance, unless they give me a sweet financial aid package, which is very unlikely after seeing the finaid presentation on interview day.
 
What I'd like to know is what % of those 1108 kids interviewed were out-of-state. Do they give pre-interview preference to PA residents, too?

The % of out-of-state people in each class is about 40%. If Temple's pre-interview screening process had already limited the % of out-of-state interviewees to 40% or less, then the out-of-state disadvantage will have been entirely built into the pre-interview phase. That means we out-of-state CCL folks don't face any more of a disadvantage than PA applicants at this point (just that we've been pushed back and have to wait longer). I sure hope this is the case.
 
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•••quote:•••I'm thinking that many of them also hold acceptance(s) at MCPH, Jefferson or Penn State. I wonder which school they'd generally prefer out of those four. ••••Jefferson and MCPH are ranked and generally are thought of as "better" med schools. I would not think that MCPH would be at the bottom. :wink:

Also, I know this is a stupid question, but what is CCL? Is that like being "On Hold"? :confused:
 
Oh, i didn't know MCPH was generally thought of as a better school. So where exactly would you put Temple among that list?

CCL is Continuing Candidates List. It's a term unique to Temple (I think). Temple puts all of its interviewees in either rejected or CCL list. Those who are put on the CCL are then pulled off one by one and given acceptance, as the interview season goes on. At least, that's what their letter said.

But, based on my observation, it seems more like Temple puts all of its interviewees in either accepted or CCL list.
 
to clear some things up (but only with more hearsay and opinions and way too little factual info):

it doesn't seem to me that temple rejects ANYBODY. many threads have asked if anybody has been rejected from Temple and nobody posted--any of those times. so it's like people (esp. most out-of-staters) are put on this list and lumped up until later.

Some out-of-staters have been accepted (fact). but probably not from the CCL list since i was told they'll look at CCL people from out-of-state late MAY.

i don't think that at this point we're on the level with PA residents. USnews says 3% of out-of-staters are accepted, compared to 29% for instaters. most applicants are probably from out-of-state. but we don't have enough info (unless someone has more complete info--from an MSAR perhaps) to know how those percentages came to be. in other words, we don't know if the preference was given to PA residents for interview and at that point things were even thus giving PA residents the higher acceptance percentage, OR if the same percentages from instate as out-of-state were given interviews, but preference was given at THAT point to PA residents. it makes the most logical sense to assume that preference was given PRE-interview, not POST-interview, but that's just an assumption. and regardless of that, i think even after the interview, a higher percentage of instaters gets in than out-of-staters (more PA resident bias---i'm not saying this is wrong, i think it's best for them to take more PA residents).

have I overanalyzed this enough (i'm a freak, i know!)!!!!
i tried to be clear in my explanation, but if i skipped any steps (or missed any info/ misinterpreted anything) let me know.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by otter:
•Oh, i didn't know MCPH was generally thought of as a better school. So where exactly would you put Temple among that list?

CCL is Continuing Candidates List. It's a term unique to Temple (I think). Temple puts all of its interviewees in either rejected or CCL list. Those who are put on the CCL are then pulled off one by one and given acceptance, as the interview season goes on. At least, that's what their letter said.

But, based on my observation, it seems more like Temple puts all of its interviewees in either accepted or CCL list.•••••MCP is NOT considered a better school. and if it's ranked it must be on "the other rank"--the primary care rank. the clinical at Temple is great--at MCP it's ok. temple will prepare you better, imho. but both schools, of course, have their strengths. and i really liked MCP a lot!

and although it seems true that temple pretty much bulks everybody up in this CCL and you don't have to be that competitive to get into it (either accepted or CCLed is what it seems like they do), i don't think it's common practice with most schools "but temple has named it" like someone said. because schools will tell you right away if you're waitlisted or rejected...they don't set you away with all the rest to look at you in late May. i know UF has a similar list. they call it a Hold list. you're put on hold (although SOME are rejected right away after the interview, and some are accepted as well--but most are put on hold) and they look at the hold list which is supposedly unranked (bs) in late spring and start pulling people off. they call march and early april late spring (not late MAY like temple!) because i know of some people that have been pulled off of "hold". but anyway, the point was that most schools don't do this, and i think of it as a good think (like getting on hold at UF rather than being rejected----BUT the BIG difference is that i haven't heard of anyone at all getting the post-interview boot from Temple)

lucid, well-thought out, and crystal clear (right?)
 
okay, hopefully I can shed some light on this with this piece of info that I extracted from US News website. But this is not good news.

Fall 2000:
952 in-state applicants; 43% of them were interviewed; 68% of those interviewees were accepted.
6142 out-of-state applicants; 11% of them were interviewed; 27% of those interviewees were accepted.

So the good news is we've cleared a major hurdle. The bad news is that we, on average, stand only a 27% chance of getting in.
 
That means that approximately 2 out of every 3 out of staters that posted on this thread aint going to Temple next year.
I didn't like MCP when I was there. The students that I stayed with were the most apathetic bunch I have ever seen. They were second years, so I am not sure if they were just stressed about rotation selection the next day, or what. My first year interviewer was pretty cool though. The area was dreary and a little too quiet for me. I liek Temple's urban atmosphere and I think that you could get better "hands on" experience at Temple from what I was told. I thought that Temple was generally thought of as a better program than MCP, but maybe I was mistaken. I believe that neither of these schools are "ranked".
 
otter, please tell me where you got those numbers. usually i just click on "compare schools" and type Temple or whatever school, and it tells me a limited amount of info, which is what i used to base my last two posts. i didn't know usnews had specific numbers on instate vs out-of-state applicants and whatever else. I would be very very very thankful if you could tell me how to get to where you saw that stuff. thanks!
 
Otter that was some extremely detailed information. The news itself was nothing to get excited about, because it lets you know how slim your chances are in getting in. I too along with Caveman will like to know how to get that kind of information from US News. Hopefully a lot of instaters will withdraw their acceptances.
 
Lemme point out some details that have been overlooked so far.
The CCL list is created so that temple accepts people who are more likely to come to Temple. It is all out of state students, and the begin to pull people off it in May. I forget where I heard it, but if you sned a letter of intent and your on the CCL list, you will most likely get in.

Now, hypothetically, how does the CCL list help temple. First off, it delays having to make decisions on people who most likely won't go to school there. There are a lot of out of staters people who interview at Temple then get into another school March 15th. There is not a whole lot that Temple has going for it for an out of stater compared to any other med school. In stater's would like it because it is close to home.

So, let's say Temple interviews 700 out of staters for 100 spots (roughly how many spots for out of staters) of these 700 interviews, they identify 25 people who they think will attend Temple and offer them right away. So that leaves 675 people. Assuming they accept 210 out of staters, there is 185 spots left. Now, of those 675 people, how many do you think would have gotten in somewhere else that they would rather go to over temple by May? I think saying 300 would be a good number. So that leaves 375 people trying for 185 spots left.

So basically, your chances are a lot better than you think they are. I think if you send a letter of intent or interest, your chances probably double. In fact, unless you had a terrible interview, I think anybody who sends a LOI would get in.
 
Sorry to ask this yet again, but is the CCL really only for out of staters? I guess I should call and harass them again tomorrow. Having not received the actual letter containing such pertinient info, I feel a little insecure about if I am being properly considered there.
 
Suz, I am not sure if the CCL is only for out of staters, but I am sure that a huge majority of students on the CCL are out of staters. Some where along the line of 90% or better...
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•otter, please tell me where you got those numbers. usually i just click on "compare schools" and type Temple or whatever school, and it tells me a limited amount of info, which is what i used to base my last two posts. i didn't know usnews had specific numbers on instate vs out-of-state applicants and whatever else. I would be very very very thankful if you could tell me how to get to where you saw that stuff. thanks!•••••Caveman and Blazed - If you do that "compare schools" thing, a table should come up that gives you the comparative info. The schools' names should be hypertexts that you can click. So if you click on Temple, a page on Temple comes up. Then, there is a pulldown menu which contains an item called "Admissions Info" or something like that. Select that, and a detailed table with all the breakdowns come up.
Now, as luck would have (actually lack thereof), US News just today seems to have updated all their grad school section with the new 2003 updated information. I've tried to access this year's stuff, but I'm having trouble registering and then logging in. They have this new password login system starting TODAY for crying out loud! I swear, just yesterday there was no login and the grad school info was still the 2002 version. The info I'd posted came from that.
 
Jalbrekt, i think your new name SUCKS and i think you should change it back to good old "Jalbrekt".

BUT

your advice is always on point. good lookin' out! Now we all know that by May, if we want to, we can send Temple an LOI and hopefully improve our chances for admission. does anybody have the balls to send one now??
 
Caveman, it has been sent out since Wednesday. What do I have to lose? A rejection... so what it isn't the end of the world I have a few other schools that I am also waiting to hear from. The way I see it the more interest shown now the better position your in when the time comes to look at the CCL.

Quote of the day: "There is two things I have in this world my balls and my word and I don't break them for nobody".....
Who can tell me what movie this is from? It is one of my favorite movies.
 
well, i guess you don't have anything to lose. but you're not committed to Temple. so even if you get into a school you like better, you'll be going there definitely if you're accepted. which is a smart move in my book. remember the old saying that goes somethign like "it's better to have a bird in hand now, than a bird in hand maybe later." ok so i totally messed up the quote but that's the overall message. i'm gonna do it soon too. gluck
 
I sent one about two months ago and I'll probably send another one sometime this month. I really loved Temple, even though I didn't like Philly all that much. The only thing is, when I called a while back to confirm the address, the guy said that it may or may not be read since they don't add anything to your file after Jan. 15th. I hope he's wrong about that.
 
i've heard that about lots of schools. but i don't know. if it's in the folder, and you're CCLed it means they'll review your file at some point right? so shouldn't they see it? i mean is it even in the folder or what? they should put it in there.
 
I sure hope that they place it in the folder that way some one reads it.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by A. Caveman:
•i've heard that about lots of schools. but i don't know. if it's in the folder, and you're CCLed it means they'll review your file at some point right? so shouldn't they see it? i mean is it even in the folder or what? they should put it in there.•••••Actually I have not heard this from too many other schools. The only other school I've come across that says this is USC, who tells you not to send any updates or letters because they cannot put it in your file. (I guess it's because everything is electronic there) Yes, they will review our apps later, but what the guy was saying was that the deadline for us to send in anything was Jan. 15th, if we wanted it added to our file. I'm assuming it is in some kind of a folder.

But we should still send in an interest letter. It doesn't hurt. Maybe it will actually get read instead of get stored away forever and ever in our files.

Was it you, Caveman, who said that he/she really loved the basketball court at Temple? Actually, that really left an impression on me, too. An indoor court inside the main student building... how cool is that? Although I have to say that people playing weren't very good. I saw a couple of guys shooting with both hands.
 
Well, I sent a letter to Temple in mid Feb. so that I could update them with some of my grad grades, and when I interviewed there I actually saw that letter in my folder and I know that the interviewer at least read it because she refered to it and said she would present it to the committee. So I think that there is a very good chance that anthing you send them will be read, especially a letter of intent if your on the CCL. I'll be writing one to them soon too.
 
Caveman and Otter you guys ball? If we happen to to get admission and go to Temple I look foward to balling with you guys. On my interview I actually took a couple of shots when the were showing us the court. I LOVED the court, grew up balling in the Bronx hope you got some skills.. Good Luck hope everything works out for the best.
 
I will most likely be withdrawing my acceptance in the next couple of weeks pending my FA package from Temple. I'm in-state, but I hope it helps out one of you. BTW, my best friend is a MS-1 there and she said 40% of her class is out of state, mostly CA residents.
 
Blazed, I'm not that great although I used to play all the time in college, sometimes past midnight. I don't play much anymore, but it'd be great to start playing hoops again once I get to med school. If you grew up in Bronx playing ball, then you will kick my arse.
 
SolidGold in the house! hey i'm in a grad program too. what are you getting your degree in? oh, btw, do you play basketball too, cuz all of us can strait ball-up those instate wankers if we all go there.

also, i guess if Solid sent his letter in February (past Jan 15 if you go by a calendar), then maybe it'll be put in there. so ofcourse send it cuz it can't hurt either way.

Hopefully that works out for you, Solid!
 
Bump.... :wink:
 
I interviewed at Temple in September and was placed on the continuing candidate list in October (a month after my interview) I called and they told me that the CCL *is* their wait-list. You are either accepted, rejected or placed on the CCL.

BTW- I'm a PA resident *and* a PA student.
 
I'm a PA resident. I interviewed in early September and was accepted in November. I'm withdrawing my app this week. Good luck everyone.
 
Mylaina,
Did your CCL letter have any useful info on it? Others have mentioned stuff about theirs containing info about how difficult it is to get in from out of state or something along those lines. I, too, am instate, but my letter apparently got lost in the mail, so I'm kinda in the dark. I have tried calling the admissions office twice to ask questions, but was not given much help.
 
Yo, wat up Caveman. Yeah, I'm doing a grad program at some no name overpriced school. Will it help me get in? I think you may have a better answer than me.

So, any one else hear from Temple while the forums were down?
 
I interviewed at Temple on thursday. i asked my interviewer if they accept update letters and he said no. they didn't even stick my new Fall transcript in my file---I guess they threw it away. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> He told me they hate paperwork. Interesting though, b/c I heard they will only accept people off the CCL if you write a letter of intent.

What did you guys think of Temple anyway? I really liked it. My interviewer was kind of cold towards me, but I heard that's just his personality.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•What did you guys think of Temple anyway? I really liked it. My interviewer was kind of cold towards me, but I heard that's just his personality.•••••I withdrew last week from Temple after I found out that their Financial Aid package would not be available until the end of May. Apparently, the deposit is refundable until May 15. So, good luck to everyone.
 
Doctora Foxy -
Just curious...who was your interviewer at Temple?
 
Yeah Dra. Foxxy... I'd be curious to hear who it was as well.

phllystyl
 
I interviewed on March 27 and was told today that a decision had been reached. I was told that the letter would be going out no later than Wednesday of this week. The secretary told me that I would be happy with the letter and when I asked "Do I still need to move to NJ (from PA)?", she said "No, you can stay in Hatboro (PA)." I really wish they could say "Yes", "No", or "Waitlist" over the phone with the letter being written confirmation. I took her comments to mean I've been accepted, but my fiance is reminding me that nothing is certain until I get that letter. Any thoughts?
 
Hi, I called the Admissions Office and I was told that the decisions (whatever that means) have been made and that we should be hearing in the next two weeks as the letters are being sent out now.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by ussdfiant:
•The secretary told me that I would be happy with the letter •••••If she told you that, then there's almost no doubt that you got in! :) Were you on the CCL?
 
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