Are acceptances for minorities really that skewed?

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I just read your other post. That's a really silly way to do things IMO

I guess the idea is if they are already scoring over 10, they don't need the point boost

 

[Gifted Hands]

It is Friday. Maybe they are drinking haha

I should join them

 

[DermViser]

You lost your credibility with me when you attacked my reasons for helping URMs, sorry.

You're right. You want to "help" them, but you want to keep them from entering med school and possibly doing better than you shattering your preconceived notions. Gotta love the benefit of low expectations.

 

[MDforMee]

You don't even make sense anymore. My GPA was less than 3.9 maybe that's why I don't understand anything you say.

I'd like to think that somewhere deep down inside of you there's a reasonable, mature person trying to get out. I can help you, if you want.

What's your solution to the low performing URM student problem in this country? To just admit them to medical school and hope that they succeed?

 

[CherryRedDracul]

You've got to think in the future tense. Listen to what I'm saying.

When someone who didn't deserve to be admitted to medical school is sued for gross negligence/malpractice because of a preventable medication error or something, is this racial defense what they should use in court?

"Well, the patient felt more comfortable with a same-colored incompetent doc, so let's just let this case slide?"

Here's the thrust of the hippocratic oath, FYI:
"I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone."

Ability and judgement don't automatically present themselves at your white coat ceremony.

The slope is so slippery that I just fell out of my chair.

 

[Gifted Hands]

How about we just end this with wishing the OP gd luck, saving your pent up rage for the 3 URMs that are selfishly stealing seats in your future medical school class... Or even better unleash it during your med school interviews.

 

[DermViser]

If there's one thing the pre-allo forum has taught me, its that ACT + SAT + uGPA + MCAT will provide one with all the information needed to know all the minutiae of one's future.

that's premed logic for you there. Standardized testing ability to fill in multiple choice bubbles predicts basic science performance, USMLE performance, clinical rotation performance, specialty choice, and base attending salary.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Let's remember to play nice. This topic is an important but highly polarizing one.

 

[Gifted Hands]

I'd like to think that somewhere deep down inside of you that there's a reasonable, mature person trying to get out. I can help you, if you want.

Yup I ate them. He'll make it out eventually, maybe not the same way he got in tho. My bad

 

[DermViser]

I'd like to think that somewhere deep down inside of you there's a reasonable, mature person trying to get out. I can help you, if you want.

What's your solution to the low performing URM student problem in this country? To just admit them to medical school and hope that they succeed?

Without the low performing URM you'd have no one to tutor so that you can pack your CV showing what an altruistic human being you are.

 

[Gifted Hands]

that's premed logic for you there. Standardized testing ability to fill in multiple choice bubbles predicts basic science performance, USMLE performance, clinical rotation performance, specialty choice, and base attending salary.

Don't forget parenting potential and penis size

 

[MDforMee]

Yup I ate them. He'll make it out eventually, maybe not the same way he got in tho. My bad

Come on. Work with me, here. Like the moderator said, play nice.

I work with URMs ALL THE TIME. I have a lot of ideas. I'm curious what yours are...

 

[Gifted Hands]

Come on. Work with me, here. Like the moderator said, play nice.

I work with URMs ALL THE TIME. I have a lot of ideas. I'm curious what yours are...

I have a lot of black friends too!

 

[CherryRedDracul]

that's premed logic for you there. Standardized testing ability to fill in multiple choice bubbles predicts basic science performance, USMLE performance, clinical rotation performance, specialty choice, and base attending salary.

You mean patients aren't clinical vignettes with a question stem and a finite number of answer choices to choose from??

 

[Wilf]

I like how Gifted Hands has the name and avatar of a conservative hero and then spouts the worst of liberal nonsense.

 

[touchpause13]

I have a lot of black friends too!

God I've just been sitting here waiting for someone to drop that turd

 

[MDforMee]

I have a lot of black friends too!

I'm serious. I try to work in specific areas related to places that I see room for improvement. This includes:
1. GRE preparation
2. Research mentoring and lab placement
3. Straight up taking URMs to graduate school classes with me

You really have no idea what I've done at my University to help URMs.

 

[touchpause13]

I'm serious. I try to work in specific areas related to places that I see room for improvement. This includes:
1. GRE preparation
2. Research mentoring and lab placement
3. Straight up taking URMs to graduate school classes with me

You really have no idea what I've done at my University to help URMs.

I'm sure they are very grateful massa

 

[Wilf]

If you're not a "team player" you will flounder if not fail on your clinical rotations and you will fail out of residency guaranteed. If you think medicine as it is practiced today, is solitary in nature, you need to choose another profession.

Edit: There are few specialties which this is the case: Pathology, etc. as even Radiology requires interpersonal skills.

Your last statement is false.
Doctors in many specialties are still luckily the head of the treatment team.

 

[DermViser]

You mean patients aren't clinical vignettes with a question stem and a finite number of answer choices to choose from??

Awesome. Soon premeds/med students will start wanting to bill insurance for getting clinical vignette questions correct.

 

[Gifted Hands]

I'm serious. I try to work in specific areas related to places that I see room for improvement. This includes:
1. GRE preparation
2. Research mentoring and lab placement
3. Straight up taking URMs to graduate school classes with me

You really have no idea what I've done at my University to help URMs.

Okay... I'm not sure what your point is? This gives you inside knowledge to know URMs are "undeserving"?

 

[medic86]

You mean patients aren't clinical vignettes with a question stem and a finite number of answer choices to choose from??

Hahaha. I think you just described Step 1.

 

[DermViser]

Your last statement is false.
Doctors in many specialties are still luckily the head of the treatment team.

Being the "head" of the treatment team still means you have to be a team player.

 

[MDforMee]

Okay... I'm not sure what your point is? This gives you inside knowledge to know URMs are "undeserving"?

I'm trying to help you. Maybe you don't see it, but I think that you do.

Excuse me for saying so, but it sounds like you've been blinded by PC nonsense. It's okay if you want to hate on me because I'm white and help URMs... it's not any different than the strange looks I get when I go to MESA programs. People can't believe that I'm trying to help them for no money. Be my guest and hate some more.

 

[CherryRedDracul]

.

 

[Wilf]

You can recognize a conservative hero just by their hands? What is the hero's name?

Ben Carson. The title of his book is pretty famous in the medical field.

 

[Gifted Hands]

I'm trying to help you. Maybe you don't see it, but I think that you do.

Excuse me for saying so, but it sounds like you've been blinded by PC nonsense. It's okay if you want to hate on me because I'm white and help URMs... it's not any different than the strange looks I get when I go to MESA programs. People can't believe that I'm trying to help them for no money. Be my guest and hate some more.

Why don't you take a break from helping me and help yourself, son. I'm doing just fine.

 

[Gifted Hands]

Ben Carson. The title of his book is pretty famous in the medical field.

That's not Ben Carson's hands in the picture, I'm not that creepy.

Ben Carson lost his way haha. Oh well, that's the beauty of individuals

 

[CherryRedDracul]

Ben Carson. The title of his book is pretty famous in the medical field.

Dammit, you beat me by quoting my silly question (with an easily Googleable answer) before I was able to delete it!

You win this time, Wilf. *shakes fist*

 

[touchpause13]

That's not Ben Carson's hands in the picture, I'm not that creepy.

Ben Carson lost his way haha. Oh well, that's the beauty of individuals

He's a sell out IMO

 

[Gifted Hands]

Being the "head" of the treatment team still means you have to be a team player.

I can't think of a single job in medicine where you work without interacting with anyone. Everyone has a boss, everyone has to interact with someone else to do their job better. That's a very old school mentality ya got there.

 

[dyspareunia]

Awesome. Soon premeds/med students will start wanting to bill insurance for getting clinical vignette questions correct.

Someone's gotta pay for all the adderalls.

 

[MDforMee]

Why don't you take a break from helping me and help yourself, son. I'm doing just fine.

You heard me perfectly, didn't you? Yeah, you did.

 

[Gifted Hands]

You heard me perfectly, didn't you? Yeah, you did.

... ?

 

[DermViser]

You heard me perfectly, didn't you? Yeah, you did.

 

[deleted407021]

Did no one teach you the pacman trick? Pacman is hungry and wants to eat the biggest number

< makes an "L" shape. "L" is for less than!

 

[medic86]

< makes an "L" shape. "L" is for less than!

Hm. I learned it the boring way:

> is greater than
< is less than.

.... 🙁

 

[deleted407021]

You lost your credibility with me when you attacked my reasons for helping URMs, sorry.

You lost your credibility with, ....well, most people, when, a while back, you kept going on about how non hard science majors shouldn't go to medical school.

And yes, it is relevant to the discussion because you started it. See quote above.

 

[Mad Jack]

Right that's why I had a hard time with calculus. My vagina was getting in the way 🙄

It's a well-known fact that men are better at math. With our penises, we can count to eleven.

 

[deleted407021]

It's a well-known fact that men are better at math. With our penises, we can count to eleven.

I can count to 13. Should I be worried?

 

[Lucca]

I can count to 13. Should I be worried?

No son. You are blessed.

 

[Rhino1000]

Right that's why I had a hard time with calculus. My vagina was getting in the way 🙄

Did I say anything that personally concerns you? It's just a statistical fact, not a fact about you; stats are measurements of the masses. You may be good at calculus, but that doesn't invalidate the statistics.

 

[touchpause13]

Did I say anything that personally concerns you? It's just a statistical fact, not a fact about you; stats are measurements of the masses. You may be good at calculus, but that doesn't invalidate the statistics.

Are you stupid?

 

[Lucca]

Did I say anything that personally concerns you? It's just a statistical fact, not a fact about you; stats are measurements of the masses. You may be good at calculus, but that doesn't invalidate the statistics.

Okay look, everyone read this right now:
http://news.sciencemag.org/math/2014/03/both-genders-think-women-are-bad-basic-math

Have none of you been introduced to feminism at all in college? What the hell.

 

[Rhino1000]

Are you stupid?

I have a question for you; "are YOU stupid?"

As far as your question goes, I think that I am not. Why do you ask? Why do you resort to personal attack rather than discussion about facts?

 

[MDforMee]

Arguing, BS, kiddy talk... it continues.

Helping community college kids, working with outreach groups, mentoring struggling students... it doesn't.

No, the gimp show continues here on SDN.

 

[WillburCobb]

I have a question for you; "are YOU stupid?"

As far as your question goes, I think that I am not. Why do you ask? Why do you resort to personal attack rather than discussion about facts?

In all fairness the initial attack was aimed more so at her vagina.

 

[WillburCobb]

No, the gimp show continues here on SDN.

You're a gimp too!? I didn't know you were into S&M. You do put on a good show though

 

[Rhino1000]

Okay look, everyone read this right now:
http://news.sciencemag.org/math/2014/03/both-genders-think-women-are-bad-basic-math

Have none of you been introduced to feminism at all in college? What the hell.

It's an interesting study. One that doesn't refute the fact that women consistently score worse than men on mathematical abilities tests, but interesting. It is true that people have a bias against women's actual ability, but of course, many biases exist because of pattern recognition. It is interesting how they decided that the bias was completely unfounded given testimonials based on a 4 minute, 2-digit mathematical summing activity that was to serve as a measure of the applicants mathematical ability. 2-digit-summing would seem like a less-than-phenomenal measurement of ability, which would give reason to doubt this "objective and accurate" measurement. The fact that this test isn't substantial is a good reason that the bias did not "disappear fully," as stated in the article. Note that the bias was implied to have decreased significantly given this evidence, even though the test was somewhat lacking. These results are completely unsurprising, to me.

TL;DR: Sometimes biases exist for practical reasons, even if people don't even recognize what those reasons are.

 

[Gauss44]

Where's the pie chart that says how much race ethnicity matter versus gpa/mcat versus the entire rest of the application?

(I'm not referring to existing SDN charts and graphs. I'm suggesting there should be a graph like what I described above.)