Are the allopathic forums more mature/less troll-ridden than the pre-allopathic forums?

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I'm genuinely curious.

Logic: if ADCOM's are good at sifting the bad seeds out, shouldn't the allopathic be more mature than the pre-allopathic forums?

What are your impressions?
 
When you come to medical school, you will realize that your class is comprised of a motley collection of nerds, religious peeps, meatheads, trolls, douchebags, club ****s, nice people, and dudes so cray they make Euron from GoT look normal (like me, according to these forums).

The only thing they have in common is that their grades and MCATs were high enough to get in.
 
philosonista said:
I'm genuinely curious.

Logic: if ADCOM's are good at sifting the bad seeds out, shouldn't the allopathic be more mature than the pre-allopathic forums?

What are your impressions?
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Browsing through the first page of thread topics alone in enough to see that Allo >>>> Pre-allo but I don't think it has anything to do with ADCOMS. Troll posts seemed to be entertained for far longer in pre-allo. New users that haven't been around long enough fall for it, plus sheer volume of users in pre-allo means more people respond.

Not to mention in Allo we have @DermViser calling out anyone less than an MS-3 who has an opinion or a stupid question.
 
O Grady said:
Browsing through the first page of thread topics alone in enough to see that Allo >>>> Pre-allo but I don't think it has anything to do with ADCOMS. Troll posts seemed to be entertained for far longer in pre-allo. New users that haven't been around long enough fall for it, plus sheer volume of users in pre-allo means more people respond.

Not to mention in Allo we have @DermViser calling out anyone less than an MS-3 who has an opinion or a stupid question.
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No, just people who remark on topics they know nothing about: i.e. the wonder and fulfillment of single-payer healthcare while being a Medical student (accepted) and not knowing anything about how medical services economics and transactions work now. If you're going to remark on specific payment methods, you should know basic things about how health insurance works, what copays are, what a deductible is, etc. I'm not even expecting you to know the more complex stuff like what are bundled payments, capitation, ACOs, etc. are.

Actual questions are fine and are encouraged.
 
Arkangeloid said:
When you come to medical school, you will realize that your class is comprised of a motley collection of nerds, religious peeps, meatheads, trolls, douchebags, club ****s, nice people, and dudes so cray they make Euron from GoT look normal (like me, according to these forums).

The only thing they have in common is that their grades and MCATs were high enough to get in.
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What's GoT?
 
DermViser said:
No, just people who remark on topics they know nothing about: i.e. the wonder and fulfillment of single-payer healthcare while being a Medical student (accepted) and not knowing anything about how medical services economics and transactions work now. If you're going to remark on specific payment methods, you should know basic things about how health insurance works, what copays are, what a deductible is, etc. I'm not even expecting you to know the more complex stuff like what are bundled payments, capitation, ACOs, etc. are.

Actual questions are fine and are encouraged.
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I think you' re underestimating some pre-meds and sub MS3 students. For example, I don't consider concepts like "bundled payments, capitation, and ACOs" to be complex topics. They arn't complex, and can be learned by reading one simple 200 pg introductory book (which btw, i recommend to any pre-med -- it'll make you sound intelligent on healthcare during interviews).
 
Tri723 said:
I think you' re underestimating some pre-meds and sub MS3 students. For example, I don't consider concepts like "bundled payments, capitation, and ACOs" to be complex topics. They arn't complex, and can be learned by reading one simple 200 pg introductory book (which btw, i recommend to any pre-med -- it'll make you sound intelligent on healthcare during interviews).
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I agree. I don't find them complex at all. But if you take your typical premed (esp. your SDN premed) more of them have put much more thought into HOW to play the medical school admissions game (LizzyM score, etc.), and less thought into the type of system they are entering. I can't blame them bc for the longest time, physicians were immune to healthcare costs, but we've now entered the era in which this is no longer the case.
 
Derm Viser, I have a serious question, Are you really a derm resident? I can come here any hour of the day and you are logged in making comments. How can you be in residency if you are here 80 hrs a week? I am seriously starting to doubt you are actually even a doctor, with all your postings of doom and gloom articles and trying to persuade premeds not to go into medicine.
 
DermViser said:
I agree. I don't find them complex at all. But if you take your typical premed (esp. your SDN premed) more of them have put much more thought into HOW to play the medical school admissions game (LizzyM score, etc.), and less thought into the type of system they are entering. I can't blame them bc for the longest time, physicians were immune to healthcare costs, but we've now entered the era in which this is no longer the case.
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Interesting and yes maybe true of a lot of premeds, but certainly not all. Part of "the game" you talk about is preparing yourself to best answer the question during an interview "what do you think about healthcare."
 
Tri723 said:
Interesting and yes maybe true of a lot of premeds, but certainly not all. Part of "the game" you talk about is preparing yourself to best answer the question during an interview "what do you think about healthcare."
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Right, even if you get a curmudgeon of an interviewer who starts asking about healthcare, it will look quite impressive that you actually know what you're talking about and give the impression that you know what you're getting into. I know if I was a med school interviewer I would be very impressed bc it shows the person has gone beyond the minimum and done his/her homework.
 
EMDO2018 said:
Derm Viser, I have a serious question, Are you really a derm resident? I can come here any hour of the day and you are logged in making comments. How can you be in residency if you are here 80 hrs a week? I am seriously starting to doubt you are actually even a doctor, with all your postings of doom and gloom articles and trying to persuade premeds not to go into medicine.
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One can do both esp. with computers and the SDN app. I'm sorry that offends you. Not all residencies are "80 hours a week". Depending on the specialty, some are much much less. Not every specialty has the hours of IM, Surgery, etc. You are free to click the "Ignore" button on me, and I'll disappear completely from your view.

Posting of articles is not a bad thing. They aren't 100% wrong or 100% correct. Those actually in med school who've gone thru much of it have remarked (I'm guessing you're talking about the recent one) that although slightly hyperbolic that there is a lot of truth in it. You deem them to be: "doom and gloom" articles. Whether you like it or not medicine is rapidly changing to where it won't be practiced like it is now. Perfect example: By the time you practice, "fee for service" likely will not exist. That isn't doom and gloom, it's reality.

Medicine is not a bad fit for everyone, and it's not a good fit for everyone. I realize you're a starting MS-1, but you'll realize it soon enough once you are closer to the end of your med school education.
 
DermViser said:
Um, actually it is: http://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-Xbox-360/dp/B0065FYG8G
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Eh, I meant the fantasy book series, which has become extremely popular now that it's an HBO series. It's a dark fantasy world that critiques many of the standard conventions of modern fantasy.

(Spoilers Ahead)

Euron Greyjoy, the character I referred to, hasn't shown up on the show yet, though he will be coming next season probably. He's considered psychotic, deluded, and one of the few characters that truly approaches what we would term "evil." His hobbies include rape, murder, and torture.
 
Arkangeloid said:
When you come to medical school, you will realize that your class is comprised of a motley collection of nerds, religious peeps, meatheads, trolls, douchebags, club ****s, nice people, and dudes so cray they make Euron from GoT look normal (like me, according to these forums).
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Arkangeloid said:
Euron Greyjoy, the character I referred to, hasn't shown up on the show yet, though he will be coming next season probably. He's considered psychotic, deluded, and one of the few characters that truly approaches what we would term "evil." His hobbies include rape, murder, and torture.
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...so what do you do that makes the above look normal?
 
Frazier said:
...So, which facet of that character are you supposed to be so far beyond that you make the former look 'normal'?
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That's what I was wondering when he said, "dudes so cray they make Euron from GoT look normal".
 
Frazier said:
...So, which facet of that character are you supposed to be so far beyond that you make the former look 'normal'?
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Some people here think I'm straight up crazy, but yeah I was being hyperbolic.

I would liken myself more to Euron's little brother Victarion (SPOILERS), who is likely also coming next season. He is a quiet, unassuming, dutiful man whose most striking attribute is his unyielding, absolute faith in God.
 
Tri723 said:
I think you' re underestimating some pre-meds and sub MS3 students. For example, I don't consider concepts like "bundled payments, capitation, and ACOs" to be complex topics. They arn't complex, and can be learned by reading one simple 200 pg introductory book (which btw, i recommend to any pre-med -- it'll make you sound intelligent on healthcare during interviews).
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what is that 200 pg book?
 
philosonista said:
I'm genuinely curious.

Logic: if ADCOM's are good at sifting the bad seeds out, shouldn't the allopathic be more mature than the pre-allopathic forums?

What are your impressions?
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I GOT POO IN MY FALLOPIAN TUBES. HAHAHAHA
 
Tri723 said:
jona's intro to U.S. health care...new edition (old editions dont focus on ACA). guess it's more like 300, but the first few chapters are too basic and can be skipped by many students.
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Is there going to be an updated version for ObamaCare?

I'm an idiot. Ignore me. I was skimming and didn't see the part about the ACA.
 
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philosonista said:
I'm genuinely curious.

Logic: if ADCOM's are good at sifting the bad seeds out, shouldn't the allopathic be more mature than the pre-allopathic forums?

What are your impressions?
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OP, to clarify: you were really expecting such a thing as a mature (and anonymous) internet forum?
 
Jabbed said:
OP, to clarify: you were really expecting such a thing as a mature (and anonymous) internet forum?
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I was expecting there to be gradations in the level of (im)maturity, not so much an absence in any one. 😛
 
I mean we aren't all impressionable delusioned people that think doctors should work for free. That's 95 % of pre-allo, yet only like 25 % of allo.
 
So, even if many trollish pre-meds don't make it into med school, SDN is still not necessarily a cross section of the people who made it into med school. SDN is an internet forum, which is to say, a troll's favorite bridge to hide under. Those trolls who did make it into medical school, residency, and eventual jobs/private practice will be drawn to this place like paparazzi to a celebrity nip-slip.

I am posting here like a fiend because I am in between major projects and waiting on secondary applications/interview invites. I am not good at not starting new projects. If I didn't occupy my time with a forum, I might do something really drastic like get a side job or enroll in more classes or reorganize my kitchen again. A forum is something that I can walk away from when the next actual task turns up.
 
In short: yes, we are a bunch of serious and dedicated people learning and teaching in this wonderful community environment.
 
DermViser said:
Um, actually it is: http://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-Xbox-360/dp/B0065FYG8G
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Tri723 said:
I think you' re underestimating some pre-meds and sub MS3 students. For example, I don't consider concepts like "bundled payments, capitation, and ACOs" to be complex topics. They arn't complex, and can be learned by reading one simple 200 pg introductory book (which btw, i recommend to any pre-med -- it'll make you sound intelligent on healthcare during interviews).
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They aren't complex topics.

But if you can define those three terms you are way ahead of 90% of medical students.

Hell if you can tell me what ACO stands for you are ahead of the majority.
 
southernIM said:
They aren't complex topics.

But if you can define those three terms you are way ahead of 90% of medical students.

Hell if you can tell me what ACO stands for you are ahead of the majority.
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I bet 95 % of my class doesn't know what a deductible is. "You mean when something happens, my insurance just doesn't automatically pay for all of it?"
 
PL198 said:
I bet 95 % of my class doesn't know what a deductible is. "You mean when something happens, my insurance just doesn't automatically pay for all of it?"
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That is an insult to med students... Most people know what a deductible is since it is not something that only applies to health insurance.
 
PL198 said:
I bet 95 % of my class doesn't know what a deductible is. "You mean when something happens, my insurance just doesn't automatically pay for all of it?"
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To be fair, aren't you in a combined BS/MD program, which means the average age of matriculants is younger? There is a pretty big difference between an average 22-year-old going straight in to medical school and an average 25-year-old who has lived outside of school for several years.
 
demayette said:
That is an insult to med students... Most people know what a deductible is since it is not something that only applies to health insurance.
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They may know something that basic. But they often lack some very basic knowledge about other areas of our healthcare system.

I had a group interview at one school where we were asked what CMS was. Everyone else at the table looked dumbfounded. When I answered appropriately, our interviewer noted that I was the only person to have actually answered the question correctly all year. While he certainly doesn't interview all candidates, that so many potential medical students are clueless about the organization that administers health care to more Americans than any other (and the one that will likely affect their own income the most via its policies) seemed ridiculous to me. Payments and legislation are, like it or not, a huge part of medicine. For someone to claim they want to be a doctor while knowing little to nothing about the non-patient care side of things seems almost ridiculous in this day and age.
 
Mad Jack said:
They may know something that basic. But they often lack some very basic knowledge about other areas of our healthcare system.

I had a group interview at one school where we were asked what CMS was. Everyone else at the table looked dumbfounded. When I answered appropriately, our interviewer noted that I was the only person to have actually answered the question correctly all year. While he certainly doesn't interview all candidates, that so many potential medical students are clueless about the organization that administers health care to more Americans than any other (and the one that will likely affect their own income the most via its policies) seemed ridiculous to me. Payments and legislation are, like it or not, a huge part of medicine. For someone to claim they want to be a doctor while knowing little to nothing about the non-patient care side of things seems almost ridiculous in this day and age.
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There is definitely no shortage of naivety in medical school admissions. I think this is the case with any field that is competitive/prestigious/overly-romanticized. The fact that law school admissions are so high when unemployment has hovered around 50% for years exemplifies this perfectly.
 
PL198 said:
I bet 95 % of my class doesn't know what a deductible is. "You mean when something happens, my insurance just doesn't automatically pay for all of it?"
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southernIM said:
They aren't complex topics.

But if you can define those three terms you are way ahead of 90% of medical students.

Hell if you can tell me what ACO stands for you are ahead of the majority.
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Mad Jack said:
They may know something that basic. But they often lack some very basic knowledge about other areas of our healthcare system.

I had a group interview at one school where we were asked what CMS was. Everyone else at the table looked dumbfounded. When I answered appropriately, our interviewer noted that I was the only person to have actually answered the question correctly all year. While he certainly doesn't interview all candidates, that so many potential medical students are clueless about the organization that administers health care to more Americans than any other (and the one that will likely affect their own income the most via its policies) seemed ridiculous to me. Payments and legislation are, like it or not, a huge part of medicine. For someone to claim they want to be a doctor while knowing little to nothing about the non-patient care side of things seems almost ridiculous in this day and age.
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^THIS.
 
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