try pm ing 'tech2doc' I think he might be from Ohio
Actually Oklahoma. It's a common mistake though.
try pm ing 'tech2doc' I think he might be from Ohio
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Actually Oklahoma. It's a common mistake though.
I've just spend two hours reading this thread, so if I rehash something already said, it's a mistake. 🙄
I'm a first year medical student and I've been applying for the ASR program for a while now. I'm just waiting to get a copy of my birth certificate mailed to me so I can give a copy to my recruiter. I've already completed the MEPS physical. Here's a few questions I still had:
1. Once the recruiter gets everything on the checklist, what does the timeline look like until I get paid/benefits?
2. If MEPS said my physical was fine, will I still be asked to provide documentation from my past medical history (>15 years ago)?
3. If I've read correctly, you get commissioned in the NG and then apply for the ASR program. Since there's only 200 slots per year, if we don't get in are we pretty much stuck in the guard for another year before we apply again? I'd really hate to sign up with the military and not get in the ASR program.
Any help you could provide would be appreciated.
If it makes you feel any better, your post-20k hpsp'ers are screwed too, they just have nicer cars.All my fellow pre-20k hpsp'ers and I got screwed
I'm not sure this is true. It may vary by state, but for me, I had my board, swore in, then my recruiter put in for my control number. I was told that I couldn't get a control number until I was sworn in, which made sense at the time.After they're approval, you're recruiter can send off for an ASR control number which basically (not exactly 100%, though) gets you a spot in the program. If they're are not ASR spots available, your name is put on the waiting list for the next available spot. You don't have to swear in until you have the ASR control number if you don't want to.
Very true.And until you swear in, you have not committed to anything.
I'm not sure this is true. It may vary by state, but for me, I had my board, swore in, then my recruiter put in for my control number. I was told that I couldn't get a control number until I was sworn in, which made sense at the time.
Yeah, I have that one. But that's just not how it worked in California. I think it's one of those Your Mileage May Vary type of things.Read Section 8.a of your the ASR document the army put out.
Yeah, I have that one. But that's just not how it worked in California. I think it's one of those Your Mileage May Vary type of things.
At this point with where the program is at and with federal belt-tightening, insisting on your control number before swearing in would be a smart move. If you swear in with a control number in hand for the program and are not able to get in to the ASR program, you might have options. If you swear in without one and an ASR spot doesn't come through, you might find it hard to extricate yourself from 8 years of obligation.
That'd be a good question for your recruiter and then post back what you hear.I have my control number and am looking to have my review board on 4/23.
So, when I sear in, I am not 'in the ASR Program?". I know I am swearing 'into the guard' but I thought the control number, was in fact, your 'spot' in the ASR program.
Orders. When you swore in, they probably issued you your orders and an oath of office (if you don't have them, you should be able to request them). Your orders should indicate that you are assigned to some recruiting unit, etc. etc. etc. You are in the National Guard.How do you know you are really in the ASR Program? Secret handshake? ID card? Decoder Ring?......
Probably. I got a tee-shirt, but I think it has an oil stain on it.Damn. I bet you Amindwalker got the decoder ring (lol)
Wow. I didn't realize that you could actually get fully commissioned without the fed rec board. They usually get that ball rolling before you actually do the state board so that you're good to go when you're done with the interview.So I might start ASR on July 1st instead...
And keep in mind that ASR is but a blip. It is not designed to be a permanent recruiting program like HPSP. It is out for three years for the lucky and will go away. It may come back years down the road when the docs like us start dropping out or retiring but not until then. Think of it as the lucky folks who go to see Hailey's comet.
Wow. I didn't realize that you could actually get fully commissioned without the fed rec board. They usually get that ball rolling before you actually do the state board so that you're good to go when you're done with the interview.
My fed rec board was going to come in after my state board so someone from headquarters was going to have to come out and meet me in Starbucks to do a second swearing in to fully commission me and keep it official.
Bummer, koojo. Any chance they can retroactive your pay to start 1 April?
Read Section 8.a of your the ASR document the army put out. I've attached a link to a copy of it I found online.
"ASR Managers will request an ASR control number from NGB-ASM (AMEDD) upon receipt of USAREC board results for individuals wishing to participate in ASR."
How do you know you are really in the ASR Program? Secret handshake? ID card? Decoder Ring?......Damn. I bet you Amindwalker got the decoder ring (lol)
When the direct deposit goes through. But I'd say having the control # is a good assurance that everything is going as planned.
But does the control number guarantee a spot in the program? To me it reads that you have a spot in line. Your ASR orders have a confirmed start date, but the control number is a notice that you've been "logged". ASR Orders are the lunchmeat, but the control number is the ticket with the number on it you're waiting for them to call at the deli counter.You can get an ASR # before you do your state board and swear in if your recruiter does it in that order. This answers the question that I get all the time, what if I swear in and don't get the ASR spot.
If the word a couple folks posted about 30 odd seats as of 1 March for the 1 July start was true, July filling up with the next month's batch isn't unrealistic.My recruiter from NJ just informed me that all 200 spots are out for the year. Can someone else confirm this?
Yeah, I doubt anybody would argue that the program isn't a fantastic recruiting tool. It's the last three words that are the ones I worry about.I asked about this the other day and I believe they're not planing on doing away with it as initially reported but to expand it. There is talk of expanding it to include RN's and make it permanent, of course subject to funding.
It's a nitpicky thing, and I didn't worry about it when I joined, because I was relatively early in the year. But for folks looking at it right now, worried about how many seats are left in the fiscal year and wondering what happens if the program is cut before they start due to budget concerns, I can see their concern.
I don't have a good answer for them, and if anyone has something solid, I'd love to pass it on. I can cheerlead, but something other than "I'm sure it'll all work out, don't worry" would be great...
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I agree the control number is your ticket (in line to ASR). But I doubt very much that they limit the number to 200. That's just plain bad recruiting.I'm pretty sure they only give out 200 control numbers...why would they give out more than they can support?
We have a different take on the control number. They're not orders. It's a letter saying you're in the queue. I don't see it as one of 200 spots, or any language in the document giving a promise. I see it as being in line for one of the 200 spots. What I'm curious about is what happens when the 200 spots are full. I'm assuming those with control numbers will be rolled into the next fiscal year.The control number is your ticket to ASR. After that your state decides when (not IF) to cut your orders to get your paid. By the number of 'seats' available they mean the number of control numbers that are still available to give out.
I asked about this the other day and I believe they're not planing on doing away with it as initially reported but to expand it. There is talk of expanding it to include RN's and make it permanent, of course subject to funding.
If you are married to someone who is on active duty, can you still participate in this program? How does it affect your pay?
What is the difference between the ASR and MDSSP?
I agree the control number is your ticket (in line to ASR). But I doubt very much that they limit the number to 200. That's just plain bad recruiting.
...It's clear for what happens to folks on ASR orders if the program is canceled...
It's only jacking your recruits around if folks are told that the control number means you are now in ASR. I've only heard that here. I was never told that it meant I'd be starting ASR for the next pay period and there's nothing written on the control number indicating that.I think that is bad reasoning. Bad recruiting would be to get a reputation for jacking your recruits around. Good recruiting would be taking care of the people you're paying to recruit for you so they will actually want to talk their peers into the program.
How does BAH work if your spouse is active duty and also receiving it? Would the ASR person still get BAH?The guard actually works out quite well for people married to active duty spouses. When your spouse get's PCS'd you can either transfer to a guard in that state or move and commute to drill with your home unit. The guard doesn't care where you live as long as you make drill and let them know where you are living.
You are released from any obligations to the Guard.What happens if I might ask?
It's only jacking your recruits around if folks are told that the control number means you are now in ASR. I've only heard that here. I was never told that it meant I'd be starting ASR for the next pay period and there's nothing written on the control number indicating that.
We'll know soon enough. Someone posted that the seats for the July start have filled. Hopefully early next week someone can verify that the fiscal year seats are filled after speaking to a different recruiter.
And I'm keeping a big fingers crossed for the increase of enrollments for this fiscal year. It would be nice to keep the 1 July option open for all the folks we've got in the pipeline. I have high hopes.I sent an email out concerning this issue, I'll let you know what I hear when I get a reply.
How does BAH work if your spouse is active duty and also receiving it? Would the ASR person still get BAH?
God, that's a sweet deal. If my wife were getting BAH as well as me, we could literally rent something close to a mansion where I live. Do they make ACU drapes?You both will receive BAH. If you have kids, one of you (pick whoever is higher ranking) gets the w/ dependent rate, and the other gets the w/o dependent rate.
God, that's a sweet deal. If my wife were getting BAH as well as me, we could literally rent something close to a mansion where I live. Do they make ACU drapes?
I'm pretty sure it's for graduation from the flight surgeon course...I just found this.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.
I had to choose between the ACU scrubs and the decoder ring. They were all out of decoder rings. I do have the nifty ACU backpack. 👍
I just found this.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.
That bag is awesome!
The scrubs are OK, not sure how much I'll wear em but I've got em.
I had to choose between the ACU scrubs and the decoder ring. They were all out of decoder rings. I do have the nifty ACU backpack. 👍
I just found this.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.
If they're using the control numbers like tickets in line, that would make sense. Just keep giving out the control numbers as they're requested, and when you have an applicant that has their control number, is sworn in, and has nothing hanging over their head to prohibit them from starting, cut orders. When the orders are cut, the bean counters can check for funding availability. If there's funding available, orders get cut with ___ as start date. If there isn't funding available, you'll just have your immediate drilling orders you got when you swore in and you'll get new orders cut when they have confirmation that there's funding to support those orders.Realistically, how would each state know up to the minute how many seats are left nationally? So I wouold imagine (guess ) that you go through the normal hoops, then when the 200th order is cut for july 1, then the next one and so forth is for october1???
Agreed, but from what I've seen so far of the way they push paper in the Army, they have their own way of doing it and efficiency and logic may not always be top priority. So any guesses we have could be pretty far off base.This is how it would in corporate usa, can't speak for the military thoough.....
iatrosB- Any chance when you hit a slow period that you might do a blow-by-blow of the OBLC course and post it on OIS/OBC/COT.
I notice that that thread gets a lot of traction from the new folks to the forum and a good daily/weekly accounting of the OBLC might get a few new eyeballs from folks who don't know about ASR and funnel them over here.