Army National Guard's new Med student program details.

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<------------- I would like to share with everyone that I have added my avatar to my profile after reading this thread. Never before have I been so inspired as to pick an avatar but really, as an HPSP student that signed up too early to even get the bonus...the avatar says it all. All my fellow pre-20k hpsp'ers and I got screwed
 
<------------- I would like to share with everyone that I have added my avatar to my profile after reading this thread. Never before have I been so inspired as to pick an avatar but really, as an HPSP student that signed up too early to even get the bonus...the avatar says it all. All my fellow pre-20k hpsp'ers and I got screwed

I've got a good friend in my class who's Army HPSP pre bonus and he's the same way. He's trying to stay positive about it but I can tell he wishes he'd have waited a year and done this ARNG program.
 
Actually Oklahoma. It's a common mistake though.

I'm used to tech support people thinking I'm in Arizona when they read AR. I know the feeling.
 
I've just spend two hours reading this thread, so if I rehash something already said, it's a mistake. 🙄

I'm a first year medical student and I've been applying for the ASR program for a while now. I'm just waiting to get a copy of my birth certificate mailed to me so I can give a copy to my recruiter. I've already completed the MEPS physical. Here's a few questions I still had:

1. Once the recruiter gets everything on the checklist, what does the timeline look like until I get paid/benefits?

2. If MEPS said my physical was fine, will I still be asked to provide documentation from my past medical history (>15 years ago)?

3. If I've read correctly, you get commissioned in the NG and then apply for the ASR program. Since there's only 200 slots per year, if we don't get in are we pretty much stuck in the guard for another year before we apply again? I'd really hate to sign up with the military and not get in the ASR program.

Any help you could provide would be appreciated.
 
I've just spend two hours reading this thread, so if I rehash something already said, it's a mistake. 🙄

I'm a first year medical student and I've been applying for the ASR program for a while now. I'm just waiting to get a copy of my birth certificate mailed to me so I can give a copy to my recruiter. I've already completed the MEPS physical. Here's a few questions I still had:

1. Once the recruiter gets everything on the checklist, what does the timeline look like until I get paid/benefits?

2. If MEPS said my physical was fine, will I still be asked to provide documentation from my past medical history (>15 years ago)?

3. If I've read correctly, you get commissioned in the NG and then apply for the ASR program. Since there's only 200 slots per year, if we don't get in are we pretty much stuck in the guard for another year before we apply again? I'd really hate to sign up with the military and not get in the ASR program.

Any help you could provide would be appreciated.

After you pass MEPS, they won't need any more medical history.

Once you've passed MEPS and gotten all your paperwork in (i.e. birth certificate), your recruiter will send your packet to the USAREC Board which meets roughly once each month. After they're approval, you're recruiter can send off for an ASR control number which basically (not exactly 100%, though) gets you a spot in the program. If they're are not ASR spots available, your name is put on the waiting list for the next available spot. You don't have to swear in until you have the ASR control number if you don't want to. And until you swear in, you have not committed to anything.
 
All my fellow pre-20k hpsp'ers and I got screwed
If it makes you feel any better, your post-20k hpsp'ers are screwed too, they just have nicer cars.

That was meant to be a joke. Kinda.

And keep in mind that ASR is but a blip. It is not designed to be a permanent recruiting program like HPSP. It is out for three years for the lucky and will go away. It may come back years down the road when the docs like us start dropping out or retiring but not until then. Think of it as the lucky folks who go to see Hailey's comet.
 
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After they're approval, you're recruiter can send off for an ASR control number which basically (not exactly 100%, though) gets you a spot in the program. If they're are not ASR spots available, your name is put on the waiting list for the next available spot. You don't have to swear in until you have the ASR control number if you don't want to.
I'm not sure this is true. It may vary by state, but for me, I had my board, swore in, then my recruiter put in for my control number. I was told that I couldn't get a control number until I was sworn in, which made sense at the time.

Also, a control number does not get you a spot in the program. The control number (as best as I can see) is the request for a spot in the program.

One aspect of the program that I wasn't clear on is a scenario in which someone swore into the Guard, submitted a control number, and then could not get into ASR for reasons of space or any other reason.
And until you swear in, you have not committed to anything.
Very true.
 
I'm not sure this is true. It may vary by state, but for me, I had my board, swore in, then my recruiter put in for my control number. I was told that I couldn't get a control number until I was sworn in, which made sense at the time.

Read Section 8.a of your the ASR document the army put out. I've attached a link to a copy of it I found online.

"ASR Managers will request an ASR control number from NGB-ASM (AMEDD) upon receipt of USAREC board results for individuals wishing to participate in ASR."


 
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Read Section 8.a of your the ASR document the army put out.
Yeah, I have that one. But that's just not how it worked in California. I think it's one of those Your Mileage May Vary type of things.

At this point with where the program is at and with federal belt-tightening, insisting on your control number before swearing in would be a smart move. If you swear in with a control number in hand for the program and are not able to get in to the ASR program, you might have options. If you swear in without one and an ASR spot doesn't come through, you might find it hard to extricate yourself from 8 years of obligation.
 
Yeah, I have that one. But that's just not how it worked in California. I think it's one of those Your Mileage May Vary type of things.

At this point with where the program is at and with federal belt-tightening, insisting on your control number before swearing in would be a smart move. If you swear in with a control number in hand for the program and are not able to get in to the ASR program, you might have options. If you swear in without one and an ASR spot doesn't come through, you might find it hard to extricate yourself from 8 years of obligation.

I have my control number and am looking to have my review board on 4/23.

So, when I sear in, I am not 'in the ASR Program?". I know I am swearing 'into the guard' but I thought the control number, was in fact, your 'spot' in the ASR program.

All very confusing still.

How do you know you are really in the ASR Program? Secret handshake? ID card? Decoder Ring?......Damn. I bet you Amindwalker got the decoder ring (lol)
 
I have my control number and am looking to have my review board on 4/23.

So, when I sear in, I am not 'in the ASR Program?". I know I am swearing 'into the guard' but I thought the control number, was in fact, your 'spot' in the ASR program.
That'd be a good question for your recruiter and then post back what you hear.

If you look at your control number document it says (at least on mine):

"_____ has been logged as a future participant in ASR."

I took that to mean that I was in the queue for available ASR spots. When I got my control number in late February, I didn't assume I was in ASR until after the 1 March deadline passed and my recruiter was able to confirm that I was accepted for the 1 April start.

It's a non-issue generally, since they keep issuing spots until they're full. But with 1 July being the last start in the fiscal year, I don't know how they handle when they hit the 200 number.

Do they refuse to issue a control number? I think they would continue to issue control numbers, and accept up to the 200 limit for 1 July spot and move any folks who have later control numbers first into the queue for the 1 October slots.
 
How do you know you are really in the ASR Program? Secret handshake? ID card? Decoder Ring?......
Orders. When you swore in, they probably issued you your orders and an oath of office (if you don't have them, you should be able to request them). Your orders should indicate that you are assigned to some recruiting unit, etc. etc. etc. You are in the National Guard.

When you are "really in the ASR program", you'll get a new set of orders cut that indicates "You are ordered to Full Time National Guard Duty" and has a whole bunch of other legal beagle verbage. You are in the ASR program and earning full-time pay.

My more cynical answer for when you're really in the ASR program is when the first direct deposit check clears. Still waiting on that one.
Damn. I bet you Amindwalker got the decoder ring (lol)
Probably. I got a tee-shirt, but I think it has an oil stain on it.
 
Here is the deal. After your swear in, you still need your 'fed rec orders' Your fed rec orders can take up to 90 days to get after you swear in. I swore in on 2/25 and I haven't received my fed rec orders yet...I'm supposed to start ASR this April 1st (couple days ago) but they can't get me the ASR orders until I get the fed rec orders.

So I might start ASR on July 1st instead...they said that because I don't start school until August, there's no reason to start paying me until July...

If you PM your first and last name I can check the status of your fed rec orders (you need a CAC card to check).
 
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So I might start ASR on July 1st instead...
Wow. I didn't realize that you could actually get fully commissioned without the fed rec board. They usually get that ball rolling before you actually do the state board so that you're good to go when you're done with the interview.

My fed rec board was going to come in after my state board so someone from headquarters was going to have to come out and meet me in Starbucks to do a second swearing in to fully commission me and keep it official.

Bummer, koojo. Any chance they can retroactive your pay to start 1 April?
 
And keep in mind that ASR is but a blip. It is not designed to be a permanent recruiting program like HPSP. It is out for three years for the lucky and will go away. It may come back years down the road when the docs like us start dropping out or retiring but not until then. Think of it as the lucky folks who go to see Hailey's comet.

I asked about this the other day and I believe they're not planing on doing away with it as initially reported but to expand it. There is talk of expanding it to include RN's and make it permanent, of course subject to funding.
 
Wow. I didn't realize that you could actually get fully commissioned without the fed rec board. They usually get that ball rolling before you actually do the state board so that you're good to go when you're done with the interview.

My fed rec board was going to come in after my state board so someone from headquarters was going to have to come out and meet me in Starbucks to do a second swearing in to fully commission me and keep it official.

Bummer, koojo. Any chance they can retroactive your pay to start 1 April?

I'm not sure, to tell you the truth I though that the packet had to go to the state board, then USAREC and then I swear in and that's it. My packet went through all these and everything was good. A couple weeks after I swear in they tell me that they are waiting on my fed-rec orders.

I think my recruiter pulled some strings and had me sworn in before my fed-rec orders were in just so I would meet the ASR deadline of March 1st for the April payout. I got my ASR control number so I will get paid, it's just a question of when..

I'm kind of pissed because I thought I was done with everything..I was supposed to ship out to OBLC on April 9th..but I can't get orders to go to school because they want the fed rec orders first....SOB!
 
Read Section 8.a of your the ASR document the army put out. I've attached a link to a copy of it I found online.

"ASR Managers will request an ASR control number from NGB-ASM (AMEDD) upon receipt of USAREC board results for individuals wishing to participate in ASR."



I think you're quite right about this. You can get an ASR # before you do your state board and swear in if your recruiter does it in that order. This answers the question that I get all the time, what if I swear in and don't get the ASR spot.
 
How do you know you are really in the ASR Program? Secret handshake? ID card? Decoder Ring?......Damn. I bet you Amindwalker got the decoder ring (lol)

When the direct deposit goes through. But I'd say having the control # is a good assurance that everything is going as planned.
 
When the direct deposit goes through. But I'd say having the control # is a good assurance that everything is going as planned.

Military payout is usually the 1st and the 15th of every month. If you have you control number you will eventually get paid. Once you get your ASR orders it will tell you your official start date.
 
My recruiter from NJ just informed me that all 200 spots are out for the year. Can someone else confirm this?
 
You can get an ASR # before you do your state board and swear in if your recruiter does it in that order. This answers the question that I get all the time, what if I swear in and don't get the ASR spot.
But does the control number guarantee a spot in the program? To me it reads that you have a spot in line. Your ASR orders have a confirmed start date, but the control number is a notice that you've been "logged". ASR Orders are the lunchmeat, but the control number is the ticket with the number on it you're waiting for them to call at the deli counter.

I've had students ask me what happens if they swear in to the Guard and get the control number but the program runs out of seats before they get a spot. I'd love to be able to reassure them that they could resign their commission or something, but I haven't seen anything explicit on this. It's clear for what happens to folks on ASR orders if the program is canceled, but not what happens to folks who've sworn in to the Guard but haven't started ASR.

It's a nitpicky thing, and I didn't worry about it when I joined, because I was relatively early in the year. But for folks looking at it right now, worried about how many seats are left in the fiscal year and wondering what happens if the program is cut before they start due to budget concerns, I can see their concern.

I don't have a good answer for them, and if anyone has something solid, I'd love to pass it on. I can cheerlead, but something other than "I'm sure it'll all work out, don't worry" would be great...
 
My recruiter from NJ just informed me that all 200 spots are out for the year. Can someone else confirm this?
If the word a couple folks posted about 30 odd seats as of 1 March for the 1 July start was true, July filling up with the next month's batch isn't unrealistic.

Curious to see if someone can confirm how many seats went with the month of March now done and if any are left.

koojo and punkiedad- it ain't over til its over. Don't count out 1 July yet.
 
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I asked about this the other day and I believe they're not planing on doing away with it as initially reported but to expand it. There is talk of expanding it to include RN's and make it permanent, of course subject to funding.
Yeah, I doubt anybody would argue that the program isn't a fantastic recruiting tool. It's the last three words that are the ones I worry about.

I know the Guard is cutting back on recruiting due to numbers, but we sure don't have an overflow of physicians. I don't know the numbers for everyone else's state, but California has a lot of physician slots open in the Guard. We couldn't fill them over three years with a just a share of the ASR program. There's still going to be need.

So hopefully they'll keep the program around, even if they have to dial it down in some way to cut cost.
 
It's a nitpicky thing, and I didn't worry about it when I joined, because I was relatively early in the year. But for folks looking at it right now, worried about how many seats are left in the fiscal year and wondering what happens if the program is cut before they start due to budget concerns, I can see their concern.

I don't have a good answer for them, and if anyone has something solid, I'd love to pass it on. I can cheerlead, but something other than "I'm sure it'll all work out, don't worry" would be great...

I don't think it's nitpicky. I agree it's a big deal. But I don't think there's anything in life that's a sure thing. You have to take some stuff for what it is. I'm confident if they give someone a control # they'll get the spot. All the people I've delt with so far understand if someone gets screwed it hurts their future recruiting. They don't want that to happen.
 
If you are married to someone who is on active duty, can you still participate in this program? How does it affect your pay?

What is the difference between the ASR and MDSSP?
 
<------------- I would like to share with everyone that I have added my avatar to my profile after reading this thread. Never before have I been so inspired as to pick an avatar but really, as an HPSP student that signed up too early to even get the bonus...the avatar says it all. All my fellow pre-20k hpsp'ers and I got screwed

I must disagree that you were screwed by HPSP benefits. When you signed on the dotted line, there was a defined set of benefits which you decided were adequate to sell your soul to Uncle Sam. The military has not changed the deal you signed.

Later the program was changed, and others got a different deal. Yes, it would be nice to give every HPSP student the $20K (I want mine), but it is luck of the draw for the newbees, not screwing the old guys.
 
I'm pretty sure they only give out 200 control numbers...why would they give out more than they can support? It makes no sense. The control number is your ticket to ASR. After that your state decides when (not IF) to cut your orders to get your paid. By the number of 'seats' available they mean the number of control numbers that are still available to give out.
 
I'm pretty sure they only give out 200 control numbers...why would they give out more than they can support?
I agree the control number is your ticket (in line to ASR). But I doubt very much that they limit the number to 200. That's just plain bad recruiting.

I think they'll continue to issue them and keep fingers crossed the program keeps going. If the 200 are used up for this year, anyone with a control number would be rolled to start in October in the new fiscal year.

If toto1's recruiter is correct and the 200 for this year are full, I doubt very much applicants in the pipeline will be told "come see us in October and we'll issue you a control number then." They'll continue to give them out, and they'll be in the queue for October.
The control number is your ticket to ASR. After that your state decides when (not IF) to cut your orders to get your paid. By the number of 'seats' available they mean the number of control numbers that are still available to give out.
We have a different take on the control number. They're not orders. It's a letter saying you're in the queue. I don't see it as one of 200 spots, or any language in the document giving a promise. I see it as being in line for one of the 200 spots. What I'm curious about is what happens when the 200 spots are full. I'm assuming those with control numbers will be rolled into the next fiscal year.

We'll find out very soon which interpretation of the control number is correct. If we are told that no more control numbers are being issued, we can view the control numbers as a guaranteed spot in the program. If they continue to issue control numbers to applicants over the next few months, it's obviously just a spot in line for whatever spots are available in the coming quarters.
 
I asked about this the other day and I believe they're not planing on doing away with it as initially reported but to expand it. There is talk of expanding it to include RN's and make it permanent, of course subject to funding.


I was told the same by my recruiter. I have MEPS scheduled for next Thurs and he said his boss informed him that I should still be able to get in by 1 Jul because they are planning to expand the program. He thought it was by another 600 spots and that they would not be limiting this year to 200. Not sure how accurate it is, but the idea seems to be floating around atleast.
 
If you are married to someone who is on active duty, can you still participate in this program? How does it affect your pay?

The guard actually works out quite well for people married to active duty spouses. When your spouse get's PCS'd you can either transfer to a guard in that state or move and commute to drill with your home unit. The guard doesn't care where you live as long as you make drill and let them know where you are living.

What is the difference between the ASR and MDSSP?

The difference is huge. ASR = tons of money with little obligation. MDSSP = about $2000 a month that adds significant time to your obligation. I was also informed that having strap obligation precludes you from taking the 75k bonus after residency.
 
I agree the control number is your ticket (in line to ASR). But I doubt very much that they limit the number to 200. That's just plain bad recruiting.

I think that is bad reasoning. Bad recruiting would be to get a reputation for jacking your recruits around. Good recruiting would be taking care of the people you're paying to recruit for you so they will actually want to talk their peers into the program.
 
I think that is bad reasoning. Bad recruiting would be to get a reputation for jacking your recruits around. Good recruiting would be taking care of the people you're paying to recruit for you so they will actually want to talk their peers into the program.
It's only jacking your recruits around if folks are told that the control number means you are now in ASR. I've only heard that here. I was never told that it meant I'd be starting ASR for the next pay period and there's nothing written on the control number indicating that.

We'll know soon enough. Someone posted that the seats for the July start have filled. Hopefully early next week someone can verify that the fiscal year seats are filled after speaking to a different recruiter.

If the seats for July are filled and no new seats are allocated, we just need to see if someone posts that they were given a control number. If they were given a control number, the control number is a place in line. If they are told that new control numbers can't be issued until 1 September, then we know that the control number corresponds to a guaranteed seat in the program for the fiscal year, if not for that quarter.
 
The guard actually works out quite well for people married to active duty spouses. When your spouse get's PCS'd you can either transfer to a guard in that state or move and commute to drill with your home unit. The guard doesn't care where you live as long as you make drill and let them know where you are living.
How does BAH work if your spouse is active duty and also receiving it? Would the ASR person still get BAH?
 
What happens if I might ask?
You are released from any obligations to the Guard.

That said, the word is that for the seats that have been allocated (200/year for three years, possibly more from rumors going around... touch wood...), the allocation is for the three years of funding. So even if the program were to be canceled at some point due to budget considerations, folks in the program would still be able to continue. As soon as you swear in to the Guard, you should expect to provide 8 years of service, 6 of them drilling. Expecting any back door out would be bad thinking.
 
It's only jacking your recruits around if folks are told that the control number means you are now in ASR. I've only heard that here. I was never told that it meant I'd be starting ASR for the next pay period and there's nothing written on the control number indicating that.

We'll know soon enough. Someone posted that the seats for the July start have filled. Hopefully early next week someone can verify that the fiscal year seats are filled after speaking to a different recruiter.

I sent an email out concerning this issue, I'll let you know what I hear when I get a reply.
 
I sent an email out concerning this issue, I'll let you know what I hear when I get a reply.
And I'm keeping a big fingers crossed for the increase of enrollments for this fiscal year. It would be nice to keep the 1 July option open for all the folks we've got in the pipeline. I have high hopes.
 
You both will receive BAH. If you have kids, one of you (pick whoever is higher ranking) gets the w/ dependent rate, and the other gets the w/o dependent rate.
God, that's a sweet deal. If my wife were getting BAH as well as me, we could literally rent something close to a mansion where I live. Do they make ACU drapes?
 
God, that's a sweet deal. If my wife were getting BAH as well as me, we could literally rent something close to a mansion where I live. Do they make ACU drapes?

They do make ACU scrubs though...I have them lol
 
I had to choose between the ACU scrubs and the decoder ring. They were all out of decoder rings. I do have the nifty ACU backpack. 👍

I just found this :roflcopter:.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.
 
I just found this :roflcopter:.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.
I'm pretty sure it's for graduation from the flight surgeon course...
 
I had to choose between the ACU scrubs and the decoder ring. They were all out of decoder rings. I do have the nifty ACU backpack. 👍

I just found this :roflcopter:.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.

That bag is awesome!

The scrubs are OK, not sure how much I'll wear em but I've got em.
 
That bag is awesome!

The scrubs are OK, not sure how much I'll wear em but I've got em.

I'm still working to get the scrubs and the backpack as well. About all I've been able to score so far is t-shirts and pens.
 
I had to choose between the ACU scrubs and the decoder ring. They were all out of decoder rings. I do have the nifty ACU backpack. 👍

I just found this :roflcopter:.
What does it mean? I need to know before punkiedad gets commissioned, cuz I don't want to use it inappropriately.


NICE..........I appreciate it. My recruiter had told me a while ago, no one had told her to take her foot off the gas as far as puting people in the pipeline. So, I really can't speak to if the seats are full, etc.

In my memo with my control number it specifially says "2LT is a future participant in the ASR program" on one of the bulle points. So, it sounds like either EMH or notdeadyet could be right. I have a spot, but who knows if it july1 or oct1?? Sounds like it is still first come first serve for swearing in? Then again, maybe it has to do when orders are processed? Realistically, how would each state know up to the minute how many seats are left nationally? So I wouold imagine (guess ) that you go through the normal hoops, then when the 200th order is cut for july 1, then the next one and so forth is for october1??? This is how it would in corporate usa, can't speak for the military thoough.....

On a side note, I am with my family on vacation and we are in Atlants for a couple days then headed to Florida. At six flags atlanta was the true army experiece. it rocked. my 15 year old son and I shared a humvee shootin the bad guys and getting across the bridge......Have a lot of respects for the folks putting it on. The guy that was our guide was in 82nd airborne, ranger with 4 tours in Iraq and a purple heart. Gave him a sincere thanks. When you think of it, all the talk of the ASR is great for what we are doing, but the tru picture of our military is an awesome thing. I actually really excited about the guard not just ASR.

Will let everyone know when I hear back from my recruiter................

by the way, got a cool id card for the true army experience today.....not a decoder ring, but I'll take it 😉
 
Realistically, how would each state know up to the minute how many seats are left nationally? So I wouold imagine (guess ) that you go through the normal hoops, then when the 200th order is cut for july 1, then the next one and so forth is for october1???
If they're using the control numbers like tickets in line, that would make sense. Just keep giving out the control numbers as they're requested, and when you have an applicant that has their control number, is sworn in, and has nothing hanging over their head to prohibit them from starting, cut orders. When the orders are cut, the bean counters can check for funding availability. If there's funding available, orders get cut with ___ as start date. If there isn't funding available, you'll just have your immediate drilling orders you got when you swore in and you'll get new orders cut when they have confirmation that there's funding to support those orders.
This is how it would in corporate usa, can't speak for the military thoough.....
Agreed, but from what I've seen so far of the way they push paper in the Army, they have their own way of doing it and efficiency and logic may not always be top priority. So any guesses we have could be pretty far off base.

Glad you had a good time...
 
iatrosB- Any chance when you hit a slow period that you might do a blow-by-blow of the OBLC course and post it on OIS/OBC/COT.

I notice that that thread gets a lot of traction from the new folks to the forum and a good daily/weekly accounting of the OBLC might get a few new eyeballs from folks who don't know about ASR and funnel them over here.
 
I found this website that has a TON of OBLC pics. This brought back a lot of memories because a lot of the facilities they used and the FTX location were the same places I was at when I was at FT Sam Houston for 4 months doing the Combat Medic course. Check it out:

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563212761sBqHmC
 
iatrosB- Any chance when you hit a slow period that you might do a blow-by-blow of the OBLC course and post it on OIS/OBC/COT.

I notice that that thread gets a lot of traction from the new folks to the forum and a good daily/weekly accounting of the OBLC might get a few new eyeballs from folks who don't know about ASR and funnel them over here.

working on it...lazy 4th year...it'll happen to you too 😉
 
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