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Do we have an option between the beret and patrol cap? I thought the beret was standard uniform and the patrol cap was only alright in the field. No idea where I got that impression though.

Thanks for the link on boots.

Edit: Is there a flag tape you need as well or is that sown into the ACU?
 
You have the correct assumption.

You don't have an option between the beret and PC. The situation determines the headwear. PC are designated for the field. Beret is for garrison - which means day to day operations in the normal work environment. This can change with commander's discretion and certain work assignments. You are best to assume that the beret will be worn the majority of the time.

A flag is needed for the right shoulder, its velcro. Nothing is sown on the new ACUs. The garisson flag is full color and goes on the pocket flap. A unit patch goes on the left arm. A those who have combat experience wear a unit patch on the right arm below the flag.

All uniform questions can be answered by googling AR-670-1 the army's uniform guide.

Hope this helps
 
Ditto bsweens comments. You'll need both the PC and beret. You'll find yourself wearing the beret more often (grrr...).
 
Does anyone (for sure) if you are already enrolled in the MDSSP, can you switch to the ASR if you were to get boarded?
 
My recruiter had actually told me that officers weren't supposed to wear the beret until finishing OBLC, but now it doesn't seem that's correct. Looks like I'll go and buy my beret so I can adhere to proper guidelines. I think many people I work with aren't aware of them.
 
Etiquette question:

When e-mailing a higher ranking officer, do you address it to Sir/Ma'am or to RANK Name? I believe when talking to them it is Sir/Ma'am, but I'm not sure if there's a difference for written correspondence.

And on a similiar note, I guess I'm expected to sign 2LT Deadcactus and not just deadcactus now? That feels a bit weird...
 
When e-mailing a higher ranking officer, do you address it to Sir/Ma'am or to RANK Name? I believe when talking to them it is Sir/Ma'am, but I'm not sure if there's a difference for written correspondence.
Either is fine. You can address them as CPT Doe: or Sir:. You can also throw in a sir/ma'am in the text of your correspondence as appropriate, avoid doing so with rank (e.g.: "I'll do so at the first opportunity, sir" sounds fine, "I'll do so at the first opportunity, CPT" does not).
And on a similiar note, I guess I'm expected to sign 2LT Deadcactus and not just deadcactus now? That feels a bit weird...
You need to indicate your rank, but there's no requirement that you sign with it. My default signature actually reads something along the lines of:

Sincerely,

Notdeadyet
2LT, MS
 
Has anyone worked with a recruit from army rotc that has commission into the army national guard and used AMEDD?
 
Has anyone worked with a recruit from army rotc that has commission into the army national guard and used AMEDD?
I am an ROTC commissionee-turned-ASR... I was required to access (pronounced "assess") along with the other ROTC cadets during the fall before graduation, even though I had an acceptance early on. There wasn't an option to access Medical Corp (MC) straight out of ROTC, and so I branched into the Medical Service Corp (MS). I accessed into the ARNG, and but not into the state where I would be attending school, and so I was required to Interstate Transfer (IST) less than 6 months into my commission in order to get ASR funded. As an MS officer I was required to pass through the USAREC and FEDREC boards again because I was transferring branches, MS to MC. I was re-oathed at that time. In other words, despite the fact that I was already fully commissioned, I was required to build an ASR packet from scratch, just as though I was a fresh recruit.

Let me know what details I can fill in for you. PM if appropriate.
 
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My recruiter had actually told me that officers weren't supposed to wear the beret until finishing OBLC, but now it doesn't seem that's correct. Looks like I'll go and buy my beret so I can adhere to proper guidelines. I think many people I work with aren't aware of them.

Per regs, the beret is part of the uniform. The patrol cap is authorized for wear during situations when the use of kevlar or beret would not be appropriate (work detail, etc). There is no provision for not having finished OBLC. To wear the patrol cap for a work detail requires approval from the CO, otherwise you would need to be wearing your beret. (Would suck for outside work --> sunburns)

So, unless you are ordered not to by someone, you should be in the beret.

Now, when you're actually AT oblc, you might have to wear the patrol cap for the duration, denoting your stature as new and smokable, with a "graduation" to the beret at the end, symbolically marking your ascent into Soldierhood. I haven't been, but have heard something like that.

Unless someone shows you in the book that you can't before OBLC, I'd go buy one.
Beret instructions
Uniform breakdown (see the section on headgear wear)
 
ALCON:

Just got word from the individual that is direct supervising LT for ASRs in PA...she snet an email this afternoon that ASR funding has been cut!

I do not know anythign further. I have emailed her with some other questions such as rest of year FY2010 orders continuing (I thought the program was funded for the year, but.....) and what this means to existing ASRs. I don't know.

So, yes it was in writing, but I don't know much more, so for the existing ASRs, I would check with your chain of command. If you are new and trying to get into ASR, take a deep breath and take your own pulse.....don't give up hope. We don't know anything additional yet......

Anyone with updates, please post as appropriate.
 
ALCON:

Just got word from the individual that is direct supervising LT for ASRs in PA...she snet an email this afternoon that ASR funding has been cut!

I do not know anythign further. I have emailed her with some other questions such as rest of year FY2010 orders continuing (I thought the program was funded for the year, but.....) and what this means to existing ASRs. I don't know.

So, yes it was in writing, but I don't know much more, so for the existing ASRs, I would check with your chain of command. If you are new and trying to get into ASR, take a deep breath and take your own pulse.....don't give up hope. We don't know anything additional yet......

Anyone with updates, please post as appropriate.

For those concerned, I have cut and poasted actual text form the email I received. It sounds like it mainly affects new ASRs, but still a lot of questions........QUOTE ""The ASR program has been put on suspension until further notice. Those of
you already on orders will not be affected however, we will not be able to
put any new ASR's in the National Guard at this point. The funding has been
suspended for bringing on any new ASR's and it isn't know yet if it will
re-open or not.""
 
For those concerned, I have cut and poasted actual text form the email I received. It sounds like it mainly affects new ASRs, but still a lot of questions........
I'm curious if this is something we weren't expecting or not. After November's board, I was told we were down around 30 for the year. I'm wondering if they're just forecasting out that those spots are now full and we're done for the year, in which case, the program's closed.

Curious to see if it's just an overly dramatic email for the expected closure of the program.

Speaking of which, are any other states pushing you all towards recruiting full-time physicians instead of medical students?
 
Here is the part of the e-mail I was forwarded about who is affected:

1. Current ASR's on orders are NOT affected.
2. ASR applicants for a 1 JAN start date up to 65 seats will NOT be
affected.
3. States/Territories to have "COMPLETED" ASR packets into NGB NLT 10 DEC 09 for a 1 JAN Start date to ensure they are "locked" into ASR.
4. 1 March 2010 Start date and "future" ASR participants are temporarily
suspended until further notice and funding is allocated.
 
punkiedad- you are PA, correct?
BaseballSensei- Are you IL?

Trying to get a feel for whether this is national or state-by-state. I haven't heard anything in CA yet, but from past experience, we seem to get news slower, so that may not mean anything. The last report we heard was that there were dwindling seats for the 1 JAN slot but (as others heard in the past) new slots would be opening up as people left.
 
So, can I assume that it is too late for me to try and get in on the ASR?
I'd contact your AMEDD recruiter and see what they say. If they send you application materials, sit on it for a week and see if there is more definitive news. You'll hear it here first.

You're too late to make the December 9th deadline for the 1 JAN start. If there are going to be seats for the 1 APR start, applying now vs. 1 week from now won't make much of a difference.

If you're gung-ho, start filling out the paperwork, but from what others are hearing, it might not be too promising.
 
I'd contact your AMEDD recruiter and see what they say. If they send you application materials, sit on it for a week and see if there is more definitive news. You'll hear it here first.

You're too late to make the December 9th deadline for the 1 JAN start. If there are going to be seats for the 1 APR start, applying now vs. 1 week from now won't make much of a difference.

If you're gung-ho, start filling out the paperwork, but from what others are hearing, it might not be too promising.

This is what I was referring to in the other thread....

I would possibly want to join but I need to know more details...

I will just contact my recruiter in the beginning of the week. Maybe it is a state by state thing....

I will not be ready to agree though before I get more info. I would like to serve just not be deployed more than I was a citizen. I also want to be protected during school and residency. After that, I will go where needed.....
 
I would possibly want to join but I need to know more details...
Sure. Ask your recruiter, but I'd also recommend posting questions here. I've found folks give extremely unbiased, honest opinions on here. We don't give two cents whether you go for the program or not since you're not being recruited to our particular state.
I will just contact my recruiter in the beginning of the week. Maybe it is a state by state thing....
I'm afraid that the state-by-state thing is the way the information rolls out. The purse strings are largely federal.

That said, so far nothing being said is all that shocking. Punkiedad and BaseballSensei are essentially saying that they're being told that ASR is winding down after the 01JAN start. By my math, 01JAN should put us at about 200 for the year anyway, so it was scheduled to end. As far as it being "canceled," the program was originally designed to run three years and this is the third year.

I'm curious if this is an actual change or if things are doing exactly what was proposed when they started.
 
I would like to serve just not be deployed more than I was a citizen.
Then how are you serving? If you're interested in helping folks but not run the risk of being deployed, I'd recommend looking into volunteering one weekend per month with the Red Cross or at the VA.

Anyone in any form of the military is providing a service because they are agreeing to go wherever, whenever if they are needed badly enough. As I've said (probably to the point of annoyance), if deployment is a deal killer, do not join the military in any form or context.
I also want to be protected during school and residency. After that, I will go where needed.....
There is a large policy memo posted somewhere on this thread (search or dig and you'll find it) that has a specific mention that National Guard folks undergoing residency training are exempt from deployment as are medical students.

Can that change? Sure, if WWIII happens, they could very well pull people out of residency. They could pull civilians out of residency if the war were bad enough. But it would be an extreme measure. Better than asking "could they ____?" (which they Army almost always could) is to ask "would they ____?" or even better "have they ever _____?" We haven't been able to find a single example of a National Guard doc pulled out of residency and the only ones pulled out of medical school were in a non-protected status (they were infantrymen and such who happened to be attending medical school, not in ASR or the like).
 
Sure. Ask your recruiter, but I'd also recommend posting questions here. I've found folks give extremely unbiased, honest opinions on here. We don't give two cents whether you go for the program or not since you're not being recruited to our particular state.

I'm afraid that the state-by-state thing is the way the information rolls out. The purse strings are largely federal.

That said, so far nothing being said is all that shocking. Punkiedad and BaseballSensei are essentially saying that they're being told that ASR is winding down after the 01JAN start. By my math, 01JAN should put us at about 200 for the year anyway, so it was scheduled to end. As far as it being "canceled," the program was originally designed to run three years and this is the third year.

I'm curious if this is an actual change or if things are doing exactly what was proposed when they started.

Figures....🙄. I was really interested in that aspect mainly....the other programs are not enough compensation for me at this point.

I did not know it was only for 3 yrs. I just started thinking about this.....

Guess I just missed out again!! I missed out on my state's lottery assistance for college too!
 
Then how are you serving? If you're interested in helping folks but not run the risk of being deployed, I'd recommend looking into volunteering one weekend per month with the Red Cross or at the VA.

Anyone in any form of the military is providing a service because they are agreeing to go wherever, whenever if they are needed badly enough. As I've said (probably to the point of annoyance), if deployment is a deal killer, do not join the military in any form or context.


I dont mind being deployed some...like 6 months every 2-3yrs....after med school and residency

I always here be a "citizen soldier" in the Army National Guard.

I just dont want to be a solider more than a citizen or I would have joined the army and taken the full scholarship.

I understand in times of war, etc. things can change and I am fine with going more then. I just dont know with the "new" kind of war on terror if we will ever not be at war again! Something, I am trying to learn about...like how often are docs getting deployed currently?
 
Figures....🙄. I was really interested in that aspect mainly....the other programs are not enough compensation for me at this point.
At this point, even if we hadn't heard the funding news from punkiedad and BaseballSensei, folks applying now would be a real longshot. I think December would eat up the last of the slots. We'd be counting on recycled seats from folks leaving (which I haven't seen confirmed in writing) and new spots opening next year (which I haven't heard discussed yet).

It's still possible, but I'd count it a longshot.
 
I dont mind being deployed some...like 6 months every 2-3yrs....after med school and residency
The current National Guard deployment tempo (for docs) is 3 months boots-in-sand every 22 months.
I always here be a "citizen soldier" in the Army National Guard.
That's exactly what we are.
I just dont want to be a solider more than a citizen or I would have joined the army and taken the full scholarship.
Yep. That's why the National Guard is a perfect choice for many of us. You're a soldier only part-time.
I understand in times of war, etc. things can change and I am fine with going more then. I just dont know with the "new" kind of war on terror if we will ever not be at war again! Something, I am trying to learn about...like how often are docs getting deployed currently?
Like I said, the tempo is one 90 day overseas deployment roughly every two years, but most docs I've talked to are deploying less than this in the Guard.

If you're still interested in the Guard and ASR is a no go, there are programs like MDSSP and STRAP, though they're less lucrative than ASR. Search this thread and you can learn more about them.
 
punkiedad- you are PA, correct?
BaseballSensei- Are you IL?

Trying to get a feel for whether this is national or state-by-state. I haven't heard anything in CA yet, but from past experience, we seem to get news slower, so that may not mean anything. The last report we heard was that there were dwindling seats for the 1 JAN slot but (as others heard in the past) new slots would be opening up as people left.

I am in PA....I emailed my local strength manager to try and see if the osther posters comments were as she understood but have not heard....I have two recruits completing their packets, so I am trying as hard as anyone else to get answers. I try not to post opinion, but still think it is responsible to post what I hear so we can all work together to find the truth......like last time, it was a normal situation where the slots had filled......Anyway, I will post what I get ASAP.
 
I guess my recruiter would be able to tell where everything stands....and all the financial helps.....thanks for the info!!

Don't forget about the special pay incentives. This is only for practicing Docs, but if your specialty is on the list (most are), there are some nice incentives, plus starting out as CPT with drill pay.

Don't give up hope though. I heard form our MAJ that PA is still down 14 docs. As NDY said, there are other incentives out there, along with state tuition assistance and other Army benefits.

IF ASR is no more, I would still check into the Guard.
 
Don't forget about the special pay incentives. This is only for practicing Docs, but if your specialty is on the list (most are), there are some nice incentives, plus starting out as CPT with drill pay.

Don't give up hope though. I heard form our MAJ that PA is still down 14 docs. As NDY said, there are other incentives out there, along with state tuition assistance and other Army benefits.

IF ASR is no more, I would still check into the Guard.

I know I have not rotated yet, but I have been thinking about medicine for a long time and have shadowed many different docs and I always come back to Emergency.

I think the military would allow me to see things I would probably would never get to experience otherwise and make me a much better physician...another reason I am highly interested.

If I am 6'1, what are the weight requirements? I am low 220's and currently losing...working towards 205. I am not fat, more muscle than fat.
 
Hello, I'm sorry to be a bother but does anybody have the contact information of an AMEDD recruiter, either regional or national? I just found about the ASR program about two weeks ago and have made many phone calls but can't get in contact with anybody. Thanks.

chinocochino-pm me with your email and contact information and I can pass it on to see if I can get you in touch with someone in Michigan. I am in PA...that is the best I can offer you. Sorry, but it is not a regional or national thing. It is a state thing.
 
chinocochino-pm me with your email and contact information and I can pass it on to see if I can get you in touch with someone in Michigan. I am in PA...that is the best I can offer you. Sorry, but it is not a regional or national thing. It is a state thing.
If you don't know of someone in MI, let me know and I can send him the guy who does this nationally. He's fast, attentive, and responsive, which is more than I can say about some of the AMEDD recruiters folks have met when cold dialing...
 
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If I am 6'1, what are the weight requirements? I am low 220's and currently losing...working towards 205.
Depends on your age. Max weight for someone 6'1" is (folks can find their height/weight requirements here):

17-20yo: 195
21-27yo: 200
28-39yo: 205
I am not fat, more muscle than fat.
Keep in mind that if you fail to meet height/weight requirements, they do a tape test and have a calculation they do to see if you qualify. Google Army tape test for height weight and you can find out how they do it.

Easiest is to just get in via height/weight requirements. Keep in mind that the requirements above are for getting in. Once you're in, you get weighed twice yearly when you do your physical fitness test and the requirements are about 5 lbs lower.
 
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Hi, I'm in California (Los Angeles county). Is there anyone out there that can hook me up with a recruiter to talk to for medical school options in the military?

Name and phone number would be appreciated!

Thank you,

Tia
 
So if this true and the ASR program is on hiatus indefinitely, what would current ASR students consider the best military alternative? I am/was in the pipeline for ASR but I have not done MEPS and it sounds like I won't be based on the last few days of posting.

What's the "second best" option? HPSP, MDSSP, etc? Time to start looking at alternatives it sounds like..
 
Depends on your age. Max weight for someone 6'1" is (folks can find their height/weight requirements here):

17-20yo: 195
21-27yo: 200
28-29yo: 205

Keep in mind that if you fail to meet height/weight requirements, they do a tape test and have a calculation they do to see if you qualify. Google Army tape test for height weight and you can find out how they do it.

Easiest is to just get in via height/weight requirements. Keep in mind that the requirements above are for getting in. Once you're in, you get weighed twice yearly when you do your physical fitness test and the requirements are about 5 lbs lower.

I just turned 30!! 😱

I plan to get down to around 200-205. I am really muscular though not fat so it is hard to get weight off. I am a solid 220-225. I will work on it as I decide what to do.
 
So if this true and the ASR program is on hiatus indefinitely, what would current ASR students consider the best military alternative? I am/was in the pipeline for ASR but I have not done MEPS and it sounds like I won't be based on the last few days of posting.

What's the "second best" option? HPSP, MDSSP, etc? Time to start looking at alternatives it sounds like..

Yeah, I would like the answer to this too!

Been trying to figure it out....😕
 
I just turned 30!! 😱
Whoops. That was supposed to read 28-39 for the 205lb weight limit. I'll edit it.
I plan to get down to around 200-205. I am really muscular though not fat so it is hard to get weight off. I am a solid 220-225.
Your call. If you're at all borderline, I'd shoot for getting in under the 205 limit. Over that, you're reliant on the folks measuring you with the tape, and you're not always dealing with varsity there. I wouldn't want my fate in their hands. And again, there's no waiver for not making weight at MEPS.

That said, if you're basically solid oak, I'm sure you'd be fine.
 
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So if this true and the ASR program is on hiatus indefinitely, what would current ASR students consider the best military alternative? I am/was in the pipeline for ASR but I have not done MEPS and it sounds like I won't be based on the last few days of posting.
Nothing is for sure until you hear it from your recruiter. I still don't have confirmation that we're out of slots in my state. We'll all probably know more in the next couple of weeks, but if you're still in process, definitely keep your application going.
What's the "second best" option? HPSP, MDSSP, etc? Time to start looking at alternatives it sounds like..
That's definitely a judgment call based on your particular goals.

The first decision is if you want to go active. If you want to go active (and are sure you do), you need to decide between HPSP and FAP. If you're interested in those programs, it's not really fodder for conversation here. I'd read the FAQs and look over the MANY posts concerning those programs.

If you don't want to go active, you need to decide between the Reserves or the Guard. When I looked into it, the Reserves (all three branches) did not blow me away with what they had to offer. Just your basic loan repayment programs.

The Guard has the MDSSP and STRAP programs. J DUB just started a thread about them in which I carefully outlined the benefits and requirements of each. If you're interested in those programs, I'd recommend posting thoughts, questions, or comments on that thread.

I'd probably be looking into MDSSP right now if ASR wasn't available. I still think ASR is a much more lucrative program, but take if off the table and the Guard still provides some nice change for being a medical student, presuming you're interested in service.
 
Whoops. That was supposed to read 28-39 for the 205lb weight limit. I'll edit it.

Your call. If you're at all borderline, I'd shoot for getting in under the 205 limit. Over that, you're reliant on the folks measuring you with the tape, and you're not always dealing with varsity there. I wouldn't want my fate in their hands. And again, there's no waiver for not making weight at MEPS.

That said, if you're basically solid oak, I'm sure you'd be fine.

Yeah, I plan on losing it...

What happens it you are overweight...?
 
What happens it you are overweight...?
If you're overweight, you're given the tape test I mentioned a few posts ago. If you fail that, you're done. No waivers for weight.
 
I meant if you were already in and had payback time, etc.

There has to be some time to get down to weight then? Correct?
If you fail your weight (or other aspects of your twice yearly Army Physical Fitness Test), they put you on a fitness regimen and give you 90 days until you restest. You are ineligible for promotion and all other sorts of perks while you're in this status. It's not where you want to be.

The Army is suprisingly flexible on a fair amount of stuff. Not weight.
 
If you fail your weight (or other aspects of your twice yearly Army Physical Fitness Test), they put you on a fitness regimen and give you 90 days until you restest. You are ineligible for promotion and all other sorts of perks while you're in this status. It's not where you want to be.

The Army is suprisingly flexible on a fair amount of stuff. Not weight.

Got ya! No more fat bastard for me!! I need to cut some bulk and slim....
 
Copied and pasted from an email from my recruiter this evening:


Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:42
Subject: ASR Funding and Seat Allocation, Effective: 11/23/09 (UNCLASSIFIED)



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO

ALCON,

Effective immediately, ASR funding and seat allocation will be "TEMPORARILY"
suspended until further notice.



1. Current ASR's on orders are NOT affected.
2. ASR applicants for a 1 JAN 09 start date up to 65 seats will NOT be
affected.
3. I highly encourage States/Territories to have "COMPLETED" ASR packets into
NGB NLT 10 DEC 09 for a 1 JAN Start date to ensure they are "locked" into
ASR.
4. 1 March 2010 Start date and "future" ASR participants are temporarily
suspended until further notice and funding is allocated.

I will keep everyone abreast of the situation as things change over the
coming months...
 
Copied and pasted from an email from my recruiter this evening:

Does this mean the program as described by EMH is no longer in effect? I was just about to send him a PM.
 
1. Current ASR's on orders are NOT affected.
2. ASR applicants for a 1 JAN 09 start date up to 65 seats will NOT be
affected.
3. I highly encourage States/Territories to have "COMPLETED" ASR packets into
NGB NLT 10 DEC 09 for a 1 JAN Start date to ensure they are "locked" into
ASR.
4. 1 March 2010 Start date and "future" ASR participants are temporarily
suspended until further notice and funding is allocated.

Regarding this "COMPLETED" ASR packets, what does that mean. I turned in my packet a few weeks ago, and they asked for more information which I provided next week. I have not had MEPS yet, is it possible for me to complete my packet, or does that "COMPLETED" refer to having been before the boards and everything? I'll be contacting my recruiter, apparently they just switched who it was, Monday morning and see what we can do. If you know already, thanks in advance.
 
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