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I understand the competitiveness of the NAVY HPSP. Does that mean all 35 people will get the scholarship come Jan 23rd? Since most who get into dental school obviously have the good GPA and DAT, who and how many people get turned down for the scholarship?
 
I understand the competitiveness of the NAVY HPSP. Does that mean all 35 people will get the scholarship come Jan 23rd? Since most who get into dental school obviously have the good GPA and DAT, who and how many people get turned down for the scholarship?

I think they do a lot of first come first serve, my recruiter said the first board review has like 98% acceptance or something...also, he told me 1/9 was the cutoff for submitting a kit for the first review, but I'm not sure if that's true or not. But the February one will certainly be much more competitive!
 
I am applying to HPSP with UOP as my acceptance letter. My recruiter told me he checked and I am able to get a scholarship this year as they made an exception for UOP this year.

Anyone else got input? I'm really nervous about not getting it. If I don't get it, will I be considered for the "normal" 3 year HPSP in October and would that cover the tuition I already paid?

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I'm doing it for UoP too, we will likely be classmates! 🙂
Also, yes it is true that we are getting a special scholarship, my interview day with UoP back on 10/4 was also the day the Navy heads were meeting with UoP to discuss a new deal. You can PM me if you have questions!
 
I think they do a lot of first come first serve, my recruiter said the first board review has like 98% acceptance or something...also, he told me 1/9 was the cutoff for submitting a kit for the first review, but I'm not sure if that's true or not. But the February one will certainly be much more competitive!

My recruiter told me it was pretty flexible and that you could submit for first review up to a couple of days before the 23rd. Ahh I hope he's right because mine wasn't submitted and is still waiting even though I sent my acceptance letter dec 3rd-ish and everything was complete.
 
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My recruiter told me it was pretty flexible and that you could submit for first review up to a couple of days before the 23rd. Ahh I hope he's right because mine wasn't submitted and is still waiting even though I sent my acceptance letter dec 3rd-ish and everything was complete.

Yeah I'm not sure, I thought a 1/9 cutoff date was way too early for a 1/23 review date...but if you handled everything then it's your recruiter who should be making sure that the kit is submitted! I hope he gets it in...and yeah, I think a first come first serve isn't the most efficient plan, but what can we do. I think even if you were in for February you would have a good chance but no doubt that the January one will be your best chances.
 
It is my understanding that the HSCP would be a good choice for a state school like UCLA and the HPSP is better for a private school like UOP. Also, I really don't think you would be able to get 90 of AD in while attending dental school.

In regards to your school choices, I am a UCLA Dental grad and really appreciated the fact that it was a pass no pass grading system. Of course, UOP is only three years and creates great clinicians.
Really?

How much is UCLA now?

People need to do their homework. HSCP is only beneficial to a prior military person with post 9-11 GI Bill going to a TRULY cheap school who is going to do career in the Navy.

I am amazed how people talk about the money they get paid and the retirement credit while in dental school. Then when I ask them how much student debt they have i am shocked at how much they accrued...

Especially someone from UCLA and ESPECIALLY someone who went to UOP!

The only way UCLA benefits for HSCP if you are former military with GI Bill and california resident so you get 100% tuition paid for....but then again GI Bill is only for 3 years so unless you live frugally and save your HSCP pay to pay the bills you will have some loans accrued....but this is not a bad option if you go career

I personally know people who got suckered into taking the HSCP and to this day they are kicking themselves for not doing HPSP

You don't know what the future holds it can be 4 or 20 years. I rather be debt free from the start and decide if i want 4 or 20. Oh yeah, also the whole O3 vs O3E pay.......big deal...you catch up after 4 years and you still have no school debt

Finally, retirement credit; ok you have 4 years; again this only is beneficial to prior military people going back into the service

And finally UOP in 3 years; its still a private school; it still is stupendously expensive; and I still can't understand how anyone can justify HSCP over HPSP when they go to such an expensive private school........

I just shake my head.....

GO NAVY!
 
As part of the HPSP, do dental students do the 5 week ODS training? If so when is that done? Summer before your first year? It seems like there are barely any summer breaks for dental school so I am curious as to when this is done.
 
As part of the HPSP, do dental students do the 5 week ODS training? If so when is that done? Summer before your first year? It seems like there are barely any summer breaks for dental school so I am curious as to when this is done.

I don't think going to ODS before first year is an option in the Navy, but I may be wrong. I went in the summer between D1 and D2. I had to miss the first week of school, but it was worth it and I had a lot of fun. I'm glad that my wife won't have to move to our first duty station by herself while I am stuck in ODS.
 
I don't think going to ODS before first year is an option in the Navy, but I may be wrong. I went in the summer between D1 and D2. I had to miss the first week of school, but it was worth it and I had a lot of fun. I'm glad that my wife won't have to move to our first duty station by herself while I am stuck in ODS.

It's an option if you commission that early - all of the students going to USUHS do ODS prior to matriculating.
 
Hi, I would appreciate if any of you who are in the process of applying for HPSP could answer my questions:

1. Where do you have your official transcripts sent to? Would it be alright to have them sent to me to give to my recruiter?

2. Is there a special form I need to give to the people who write my letters of references?

3. I was told there was a letter of intent I needed to write. About how long should this letter be and what should I specifically include in it?

4. Is there anything else I could get together without my recruiter by next week Tuesday?

Unfortunately, I did not realize how late I am in the application process and my recruiter went on leave last week without even telling me. I was informed by someone in his office that he wouldn't be back until next week Tuesday. If you guys could help me out with anything I could get together by the time he gets back to help get my application in as soon as possible, I would REALLY appreciate it. Thanks.
 
I guess my recruiter had the date wrong, the Board already met! I am officially recommended as an HPSP recipient in the Navy! 😀
 
Oh no, they already met?? Guess I didn't make it to this month's board 🙁
 
He called me today to congratulate me and then tell me to give the office my Academic Year Statement

First off, Congrats! 👍

But what exactly do you mean he (recruiter?) told you to give the office (your school's office?) your Academic Year Statement?

Just curious b/c I was under the impression one had to include a signed (from your dental school) Academic Year Statement prior to submitting your application to the board.?.
 
I swear I'm going to lose my mind there is so much conflicting information floating around!
 
First off, Congrats! 👍

But what exactly do you mean he (recruiter?) told you to give the office (your school's office?) your Academic Year Statement?

Just curious b/c I was under the impression one had to include a signed (from your dental school) Academic Year Statement prior to submitting your application to the board.?.


Sorry, yes I meant he=my recruiter. I was really excited at the time.😀

I'm not sure, it might be because I hadn't selected a school yet...I had several LOAs and I gave them my UOP one but at the time I was also seriously considering UCLA. I just have to fill out a small portion of the AYS and then he'll send it to UOP. Initially I don't think I signed the AYS...
 
As part of the HPSP, do dental students do the 5 week ODS training? If so when is that done? Summer before your first year? It seems like there are barely any summer breaks for dental school so I am curious as to when this is done.

From reading the other 990 posts on here I noticed that most people recommend doing ODS later, so you retain the information. However, I think summer between D1 and D2 is the standard and then the next summers you can do clerk ships or get school orders.
 
From reading the other 990 posts on here I noticed that most people recommend doing ODS later, so you retain the information. However, I think summer between D1 and D2 is the standard and then the next summers you can do clerk ships or get school orders.

I would say that most people actually do it after they finish school.

Personally I think it works out well to just take school orders while in school. You get paid the same amount with less bull**** and more retention of information later. You also don't have to redo all your uniforms later. I think the time in school is best spent in school and pursuing additional summer internships/externships if you're interested in that sort of thing.
 
hi, i m a 2nd yr dental student HPSP navy. I am considering in planning to apply for AEGD after dental school, but i am also kinda interested in going over sea to Japan.

I was wondering if I could get some advice and see if anyone has done an AEGD ? also if anyone has served in JAPan as a dentist.
 
To all who are wondering about their status in application for Navy HPSP, answer this survey and we can all get a better idea of the numbers and our chances.

i will post results at least once per week probably more as I am as concerned about anybody about getting the HPSP.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8F2K8P2
 
i just started my navy hpsp application and was wondering if im too late to receive the 4yr scholarship

my recruiter said there are still plenty of spot open but he never gave me any numbers so im bit worried.

also is there a place/site where i can read sample motivational essays

my aadsas ps had a paragraph about my desire to join the navy but i don't think thats enough to convince the review board that i am serious about this
 
So far ten people have responded to the survey on post #1027 that I put up http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8F2K8P2

Of the ten 5 said that they had not received the HPSP scholarship yet. The first five who responded did not answer this question because I added it on later this week. 3 of the 10 said they have heard back from their recruiter (hope it was good news) Most ppl are saying there is between 61-80 scholarships overall and that more than 20 are still available.

There is still lots of conflicting info out there so I encourage anyone else who is going to respond to this survey to talk to your recruiter first to see where the process stands.

If you are or have applied for HPSP please anser this survey, takes like one minute, to help us all understand where we are at better.
 
Does anyone know if CDR Molinero is still heading the COMP program in Bethesda?
 
drlongisland -- Just trolling, and I noticed your post. Did you ever get your answer? I did see a Reservist CAPT work as Active duty at my last duty station at Naval Hospital Oak Harbor in WA state. I believe it's called the "Full Time Support" (FTS) option in the Selective (drilling) Reserves, or SELRES.

Michael


I am a practicing general dentist, 20 years. I am 51 y/o. Former enlisted Air Force Medic, 4 years. Tired of private practice. I'll be putting my practice up for sale in the next month or two. Meanwhile, I am actively pursuing a commission in the Navy Reserve. I have most of my paperwork done. Physical is done, passed. Lost 20 pounds but want to lose 10 more. Based on the tape I am in standards but I'd like to get down to the maximum weight, 216. Running 2-3 miles 6 days a week. I'm in great shape. So I am ready.
I would have done this 11 years ago (right after 9/11) but I had a mammoth sized practice loan to pay off and deployment was not an option.
My question is can I go active from the reserves? Can I do more than 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a summer? I still need to earn a living so I can't retire and frankly I don't want to.
I was told 11 years ago I'd go in as an O-4. But the PA that did my physical suggested that O-3 might be better so I don't go up-and-out due to the way promotions work. Any insight? My recruiter also suggested that.
I was also told by my recruiter that I couldn't retire from the Navy because of my age but I have read that 68 y/o is the absolute cutoff for physicians and dentists. Any insight into that?
Thanks
 
Hello everyone,

I'm not sure if this has been previously addressed (I didn't find it in a quick comb over of previous posts), but how exactly does specializing in the Navy work?

When the BUMED note reads, "must not be in failure for selection for lieutenant commander", does this mean you must be eligible for promotion to lieutenant commander before you can even apply for a residency? In other words, specializing right out of school is highly unlikely? If this is true, how long does it take to be promoted to Lt. Commander from Lieutenant?

Also, I didn't notice Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology listed under either the FTOS or FTIS columns. Is this specialty not commonly offered by the Navy?

Thanks for the help, I cant seem to get navy knowledge online to work no matter what operating system or web browser I use.

Northwesterner1
 
When the BUMED note reads, "must not be in failure for selection for lieutenant commander", does this mean you must be eligible for promotion to lieutenant commander before you can even apply for a residency? In other words, specializing right out of school is highly unlikely? If this is true, how long does it take to be promoted to Lt. Commander from Lieutenant?

When they say, "must not be in failure to selection for Lieutenant Commander," that means that you can't apply for residency training if you were passed over and not selected for promotion to LCDR by a promotion board. The selection rate to LCDR is very high in the Dental Corps, so the rule is in place to make sure that they aren't wasting training slots on bottom of the barrel LTs.
 
When the BUMED note reads, "must not be in failure for selection for lieutenant commander", does this mean you must be eligible for promotion to lieutenant commander before you can even apply for a residency? In other words, specializing right out of school is highly unlikely? If this is true, how long does it take to be promoted to Lt. Commander from Lieutenant?

When they say, "must not be in failure to selection for Lieutenant Commander," that means that you can't apply for residency training if you were passed over and not selected for promotion to LCDR by a promotion board. The selection rate to LCDR is very high in the Dental Corps, so the rule is in place to make sure that they aren't wasting training slots on bottom of the barrel LTs.
 
Thanks for the info del Sol. I take that to mean you can certainly apply for a residency before attaining LCDR, just not if you've been passed over. I just thought of a few more questions:

1) What exactly, is an "initial tour of duty" in terms of length and assignment?

2) If upon graduation someone chooses to do a 1 year GPR or AEGD, does this year count towards his/her active duty obligation? For example, if I currently have four years of ADO after graduation then decide I want to do a 1 year GPR, is my total number of years owed:

1 (my GPR year) + 4 (my existing commitment) = 5 total years, - or-
1 (my GRP) +3 (my existing commitment minus the GPR year) = 4 total years.

In a nutshell, does my GRP year count as a year of ADO since I'm seeing patients?

3) If you're technically a 'resident' while doing a GRP or AEGD, is your pay less than if you elected to skip the GPR?

Thanks for your help. Sorry if these questions seem basic or have been discussed before, I'm still learning how the Navy does things.
 
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Thanks for the info del Sol. I take that to mean you can certainly apply for a residency before attaining LCDR, just not if you've been passed over. I just thought of a few more questions:

1) What exactly, is an "initial tour of duty" in terms of length and assignment?

First tour after your PGY-1/credentialing tour/residency lasting anywhere from 1-3 years depending on where you go

2) If upon graduation someone chooses to do a 1 year GPR or AEGD, does this year count towards his/her active duty obligation? For example, if I currently have four years of ADO after graduation then decide I want to do a 1 year GPR, is my total number of years owed:

1 (my GPR year) + 4 (my existing commitment) = 5 total years, - or-
1 (my GRP) +3 (my existing commitment minus the GPR year) = 4 total years.

In a nutshell, does my GRP year count as a year of ADO since I'm seeing patients?

No, it is a neutral year not adding nor subtracting from your active duty service obligation.

3) If you're technically a 'resident' while doing a GRP or AEGD, is your pay less than if you elected to skip the GPR?

No

Thanks for your help. Sorry if these questions seem basic or have been discussed before, I'm still learning how the Navy does things.
 
Hello again,

Another thought: When applying to residencies, how long does the navy consider GRE scores good for?

Sorry again if this is posted somewhere official, I'm working with my recruiter to figure out a nko.org solution.

Northwesterner1
 
Hi, I am applying for the 4 year HPSP dental scholarship. I was wondering if there are any female navy dentists that could share their experiences during pay back years. Would you recommend other females to follow the HPSP route? What were your living conditions like? Did you feel you were treated well/fairly? How often/how long did you have to travel, spend time overseas/ on a ship? Do you think it is unrealistic/impractical to have a family during that time? Any advice/ experiences would be appreciated. Thank you
 
I have a question about the bonus and residency payback.

Is this a possible scenario?

3 years at dental school (UOP)
1 year AEGD
3 years HPSP payback

Would accepting the 20k bonus add another year on the HPSP payback? Or would the year added by the 20k bonus be paid back during residency?


I am hoping to stay in after my payback, but one never knows the future so I want to be aware of my options before I commit.
 
From what i understand, the 20k bonus adds a year of HPSP pay back (unless 4-year HPSP) and residency is neutral year. Therefore, accepting the bonus would mean 4 years of HPSP pay back + 1 year AEGD = 5 total years.
 
I apologize if I am posting incorrectly, but I have a question that is very time sensitive.
My son has been accepted into the UMKC school of dentistry and is considering the Navy programs. He is a great kid and is physically very fit. He does however have a history of ADHD that he has largely outgrown but still has a prescription to medication that he uses occasionally to study for tests and did have a special accommodation as an undergraduate for extra time to take tests. He will make terrific officer and is filling out Navy applications now. How will his ADHD be viewed by the Navy and how should he phrase this on his application?
 
He knight have a hard time getting through MEPS, the health screening.

Other than I have no idea, just based on what I saw on the screening questions when I went through.
 
I don't believe ADHD would disqualify him from joining - it'll just be a paperwork headache. Start gathering ALL of his medical files, including those from his pediatrician. Also, let his recruiter know so he can give you tips on how to get through MEPS faster and help you fill out the extra paperwork.
 
I apologize if I am posting incorrectly, but I have a question that is very time sensitive.
My son has been accepted into the UMKC school of dentistry and is considering the Navy programs. He is a great kid and is physically very fit. He does however have a history of ADHD that he has largely outgrown but still has a prescription to medication that he uses occasionally to study for tests and did have a special accommodation as an undergraduate for extra time to take tests. He will make terrific officer and is filling out Navy applications now. How will his ADHD be viewed by the Navy and how should he phrase this on his application?

MEPS Regulation 40-1 directs that military entrance processing stations conduct applicant physicals in accordance with Department of Defense Instruction 6130.3 and Army Regulation 40-501, both of which list medical standards for military enlistment/appointment. As far as I know, all the military branches use the medical standards found in AR 40-501.

Here is what is written in AR 40-501 chapter 2, section 27, paragraph (a):

2–27. Learning, psychiatric and behavioral disorders
a. Attention Deficit Disorder/Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (314), or Perceptual/Learning Disorder(s)
(315) does not meet the standard, unless applicant can demonstrate passing academic performance and there has been
no use of medication(s) in the previous 12 months.

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DODI 6301.03 is more restrictive for ADHD in chapter 2, section 9, paragraph (a):

2-9. LEARNING, PSYCHIATRIC, AND BEHAVIORAL
a. Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) (314) UNLESS the following criteria are met:
(1) The applicant has not required an Individualized Education Program or work accommodations since the age of 14.
(2) There is no history of comorbid mental disorders.
(3) The applicant has never taken more than a single daily dosage of medication or has not been prescribed medication for this condition for more than 24 cumulative months after the age of 14.
(4) During periods off of medication after the age of 14, the applicant has been able to maintain at least a 2.0 grade point average without accommodations.
(5) Documentation from the applicant's prescribing provider that continued medication is not required for acceptable occupational or work performance.
(6) Applicant is required to enter service and pass Service-specific training periods with no prescribed medication for ADHD.

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So, your son currently does not meet the medical standard to be a Naval Officer under either instruction. Waivers of this standard are technically possible, but my guess is that obtaining a waiver would be unlikely, especially since the dental school programs are so competitive. I have heard anecdotally that AR 40-501 is the one that is actually used at MEPS, which may offer hope for your son. Perhaps if he can discontinue his medication for a year and show that he can still concentrate and make it on his own, he could apply for a 3 year scholarship, or commission after dental school and get loan repayment/signing bonus to help with his student loans. Good luck.
 
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Many thanks for your considered and knowledgeable answers. They come as something of a blow to us but I guess it will not hurt to try.

The sad part is a three generation Navy tradition will be broken and my son, an Eagle Scout, outdoorsman, and very hardworking student will not get a chance to serve. He would have made an superb officer.
 
Hi guys, I was wondering how duty stations were given after you graduate from dental school. Do you fill out a "dream sheet" or are you given a list of available stations?

Also, I understand that the needs of the Navy come first. However, I was wondering if any of you guys have heard of someone accepting a "hardship tour" in exchange for a specific duty station of his/her choice. Any comments or insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! 🙂
 
If you don't apply for an AEGD or GPR, then they'll give you a few places that are available but most likely you'll end up at one of the large bases or recruit depots.

As for the "hardship tour" tradeoff, it's possible - but don't bet everything on it.
 
Hi guys, I was wondering how duty stations were given after you graduate from dental school. Do you fill out a "dream sheet" or are you given a list of available stations?

Also, I understand that the needs of the Navy come first. However, I was wondering if any of you guys have heard of someone accepting a "hardship tour" in exchange for a specific duty station of his/her choice. Any comments or insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! 🙂

Yeah that whole hardship tour for a specific duty station afterwards thing doesn't always work out. For example a friend of mine went on a 9 month deployment to Crapghanistan because his detailer promised him a spot in San Diego when he came back, but he got sent to New Hampshire instead -_- So I wouldn't really bet on it
 
Hi guys, I was wondering how duty stations were given after you graduate from dental school. Do you fill out a "dream sheet" or are you given a list of available stations?

Also, I understand that the needs of the Navy come first. However, I was wondering if any of you guys have heard of someone accepting a "hardship tour" in exchange for a specific duty station of his/her choice. Any comments or insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! 🙂

Unlikely. This only works if it is 1 year orders to somewhere like Bahrain or Diego Garcia, and there are very few of those spots available. Otherwise you will be doing a standard "hardship tour" for 2-3 years in an operational billet like everyone else. Also no matter what you line up, orders can change....

Where are you trying to go? Also you are not eligible for any "hardship tour" right out of school. You have to do a 1 year orientation tour somewhere.
 
Unlikely. This only works if it is 1 year orders to somewhere like Bahrain or Diego Garcia, and there are very few of those spots available. Otherwise you will be doing a standard "hardship tour" for 2-3 years in an operational billet like everyone else. Also no matter what you line up, orders can change....

Where are you trying to go? Also you are not eligible for any "hardship tour" right out of school. You have to do a 1 year orientation tour somewhere.

Even if you get those locations, that's no guarantee of where you're going next. I did not get my first choice coming out of a "hardship" location although I did get a nice spot.
 
Would you guys mind defining 'hardship' a bit more?....new term to me. Also, how many 'hardship' tours or years-in are typical before you start having a shot at more desirable locations--ie how many years before you have some sort of meaningful seniority/input of where you end up?

As always, thanks for getting on here and educating us newbies.
 
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