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No pls we need to wolf together 🐺Pffft that's because the wolves never want to kill you since you never play! Play a game where I'm not a wolf and maybe they'll be meaner to you.
No pls we need to wolf together 🐺Pffft that's because the wolves never want to kill you since you never play! Play a game where I'm not a wolf and maybe they'll be meaner to you.
Dragging people to endgame all the time is far meaner than NKing them, IMO.Pffft that's because the wolves never want to kill you since you never play! Play a game where I'm not a wolf and maybe they'll be meaner to you.
That can do it. Not quite as pro-village as trying to stay alive so you can gamesolve, but sure.what if i softly soft a PR as a vanillager
I giggled a little that James Bond has only shot villagersWe were both village vigs as James Bond @Crayola227
Unless you're a masochist like me.Dragging people to endgame all the time is far meaner than NKing them, IMO.
But... killing people makes me sad...Dragging people to endgame all the time is far meaner than NKing them, IMO.
Yes, well, I don't have fantasies of having "the choke to end all chokes" since you still have parental controls set pretty stringently in the box.Unless you're a masochist like me.
I've gone to endgame a lot. It's very tiring. I appreciate getting NKed before that pointBut... killing people makes me sad...
Autocorrect thinks I am a cat todayI've gone to endgame a lot. It's very tiring. I appreciate getting NKed before that point
Though I will make a smol request right meow that I get to survive through the first cycle of the champs practice game since it's, y'know, champs practice and that seems a bit counterproductive if I die literally immediately.
Wait I hate how I worded this because it makes it sound like I would if only you didn't have the parental controls set where they are, and that's not the caseYes, well, I don't have fantasies of having "the choke to end all chokes" since you still have parental controls set pretty stringently in the box.
How do weeble and smol wobbles react?Autocorrect thinks I am a cat today
Kinky afYes, well, I don't have fantasies of having "the choke to end all chokes" since you still have parental controls set pretty stringently in the box.
I told you!! She's a changed woman now!!!Kinky af
Well, the secret is that you have to talk about how you go to endgame too often and make sure @cubsrule4e sees it, and then he'll help ya out right quick.
Well... idk if that works for night kills. It got me killed during the day.
Not pictured: me, ready for a sound night’s sleep and a long work day of ignoring thread, simultaneously ****ting myself and dying of laughter as I immediately see how I’m going to die
BEST QUOTEA quick note about Z theory and how I will play this game:
Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.
I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO (Game Theory Optimal) play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my lurking immediately upon the opening of the thread.
I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am Zenge142. When it becomes prudent I will provide my octaves.
Benefits:
1. I will not survive tonight: I believe the wolves are going to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this if I'm not Zenge142. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of supershorty panicking to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.
2. I am emotional: All of you already know I'm emotional, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this if I'm not Zenge142. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the most intense, most-memorable, highest-activity game that I've ever played in (except for Among Us). I have no need to complicate my life, if I'm not Zenge142, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is vote early to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options if I'm not Zenge142, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in softs (soft claiming) exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will be (insert SDN shock emoji) and CRIMINAL to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates (insert SDN shock emoji) and CRIMINAL responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As Zenge142, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and yeet me. Makes my life super awesome.
3. There are only 30 players you need to try to read, rather than 31. I have already provided a "free" soft of me in a game with a mere 31 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.
Conclusion:
The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am Zenge142, and thus emotional, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.
Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion:
It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns. It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "fakeclaiming" or "a treestump." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a treestump is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as Zenge142. There is no equivalency between the EV (Expected Value) gain for stump-me in this position and Zenge-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, stump-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game stump I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a strump is COMPLETELY DWARFED by my baseline stump EV anyway. Anything that complicates my stumping life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my stumping life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation stumping lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is a huge mistake and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.
Sucks for the wolves when octaves are wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect.
Get #emotional.
SECONDEDZENGE FOR BEST 3P
WAIT WAS THAT THIS GAME?!?!BEST QUOTE
no that was her opening post for Mountains.WAIT WAS THAT THIS GAME?!?!
#cursedWAIT WAS THAT THIS GAME?!?!
THIRDEDZENGE FOR BEST 3P
YAS MASTERZENGE FOR BEST 3P
huh? Mafia aren't 3p, they're wolf-equivalent pls2 games for best 3p nom in a row!
I'd consider it a 3p performance given the two other packs thohuh? Mafia aren't 3p, they're wolf-equivalent pls
If you have split packs of 2 separate wolf factions, do you consider the packs 3ps?I'd consider it a 3p performance given the two other packs tho
Yeah I’d consider Mafia a 2nd wolf pack essentially.If you have split packs of 2 separate wolf factions, do you consider the packs 3ps?
I don't know, I've never thought about it before lol guess it would depend on whether they had a joined winconIf you have a split pack, do you consider the packs 3ps?
YisI second the above and am putting PSV on my short list for best reads/best noob consideration as well!
I already had her on my list for thatI second the above and am putting PSV on my short list for best reads/best noob consideration as well!
Well now she has an extra point!I already had her on my list for that
Oh, I put them in a different position on my spreadsheet depending on how strongly I feel.Well now she has an extra point!
I usually go back through the thread and see how many times I mentioned or seconded people for specific awwards if I end up with more than 3 I want to nominate (and to help with final voting)
See I don't have a spreadsheet. Just vibesOh, I put them in a different position on my spreadsheet depending on how strongly I feel.
best quote nomI'm surprised to hear that shorty isn't playing this game, you've been talking about her for the past two hours
I feel much less guilty about the level of snark now that I know that you were, in fact, a wolfbest quote nom
I was dying IRL but had to keep up the wolfy façade in-game
I legit choked laughing at that line.best quote nom
I was dying IRL but had to keep up the wolfy façade in-game
Seconding this. Alleys is straight up GOATed and her play last game was really strongNominating alley and Barky for best wolf team
and alley for most improved
also Vis for most improved, she's been doing a great job of getting correctly village read this year
And a couple others I'll keep in my back pocket for now
Thank you Lawpy 🥺🥺🥺Seconding this. Alleys is straight up GOATed and her play last game was really strong