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I'd be looking at everyone who started bandwagoning/voting with the mention of plurality, in my opinion. You might find wolves there however you're probably likely to find villagers too.

I'm still surprised AM was village.



AlphaBeta was one of those who changed her vote after Dy announced we were close to plurality, without giving any solid reason. I'm comfortable with a Lynch AlphaBeta to start today.
 
I'm still surprised AM was village.



AlphaBeta was one of those who changed her vote after Dy announced we were close to plurality, without giving any solid reason. I'm comfortable with a Lynch AlphaBeta to start today.

I was going to mention that if we are going to look at late bandwagoners with poor reason for voting, her post stood out to me the most.

Lynch AB
 
I agree with the AB lynch. Too many posts have stuck out as odd or inconsistent with other types of posts made. As in lots of "noob" questions followed by a post that shows more understanding than shown previously and wasn't addressed by someone else.

Speaking of that, has Zen been playing a little more "Well golly gee shucks, I don't know..." than normal, or is it just my reading of their posts?

Before jumping on this train, I'd like to reread, but I think I'll fall asleep before I'm done. See you guys in the morningish.
 
I'm surprised at the AM vanillager results, I was feeling pretty good about that lynch 🙁

I'll go reread AB3's posts, but from what I remember at the beginning they just seemed a little forced (like quite a few others since there wasn't much to discuss) and a few mildly obnoxious. I guess since none of us have played with them before no one would know how normal of a play style that would be. Overall, I am leaning more towards play style than wolfy (for now at least)
 
I'm surprised at the AM vanillager results, I was feeling pretty good about that lynch 🙁

I'll go reread AB3's posts, but from what I remember at the beginning they just seemed a little forced (like quite a few others since there wasn't much to discuss) and a few mildly obnoxious. I guess since none of us have played with them before no one would know how normal of a play style that would be. Overall, I am leaning more towards play style than wolfy (for now at least)

Upon briefly re-reading I'm not seeing much. A few questions asked several times over, or questions that were already answered in the thread but they asked again the next day cycle. Definitely some fodder there. No really important contributions in terms of content, so if we go back to the "wolves would post but not contribute a ton" the shoe fits

For my temporary lynch vote I'm going to go with lynch LIS. I still just am feeling a little unsettled. I have to be back at work in 6 hours so I'm going to bed, but I'll hunt for some evidence once I am done my shift to back up the feels
 
Upon briefly re-reading I'm not seeing much. A few questions asked several times over, or questions that were already answered in the thread but they asked again the next day cycle. Definitely some fodder there. No really important contributions in terms of content, so if we go back to the "wolves would post but not contribute a ton" the shoe fits

For my temporary lynch vote I'm going to go with lynch LIS. I still just am feeling a little unsettled. I have to be back at work in 6 hours so I'm going to bed, but I'll hunt for some evidence once I am done my shift to back up the feels

So if I read it right.... BBC, Rojo, Deva, Jilary, and SOV have all expressed suspicions about me.

One of them is a wolf. The others are well-intentioned, but one of them is likely a wolf who is trying to encourage things.
 
So if I read it right.... BBC, Rojo, Deva, Jilary, and SOV have all expressed suspicions about me.

One of them is a wolf. The others are well-intentioned, but one of them is likely a wolf who is trying to encourage things.
I don't remember doing so...if I did, was it more towards the beginning of the game?

Blearg, being unable to get on here most of the day in conjunction with post volume/length of cycles are making me miss things--currently on my mon-tues "weekend" though, so I'll work on my activity level now that I've gotten a warning already.
 
So if I read it right.... BBC, Rojo, Deva, Jilary, and SOV have all expressed suspicions about me.

One of them is a wolf. The others are well-intentioned, but one of them is likely a wolf who is trying to encourage things.
I can't speak for anyone else you listed, but my intentions are definitely good. I find it odd that you instantly turn it around that one of us must be a wolf.

I stand by my feelings that your lynch of AM was weird. Yes, she had time to defend, but you objected to the plurality rule and then helped us reach plurality sooner. I understand your point that she had plenty of time/oppurtunity to come on and defend herself, but it's also beneficial to not jump on the bandwagon as it leaves the discussion open for our full day cycle allowing everyone to express their thoughts, not only on the player being lynched, but other players as well, which I thought was a vital aspect of this particular game.

I agree with DVMD that we are likely to catch a wolf in those late band wagoners.
 
I was so disappointed to find AM a villager. I thought I was gonna be 2/2 in wolf targeting. Guess not.

And yes, vmh kind of outted themselves, so stl wasn't full of **** there, but I'm still not convinced they know our protector, but I guess we will find out tonight or so.

And in a game like this, I am not a fan of mod killing people. Ugh
 
So uhh... I guess I'm going to lurk on this one and try and figure out what the hell is going on. I'll leave my asshat hanging in the closet WhtsThFrequency , don't worry. If you call me an dingus I'm afraid I'll have to bring that with me out of necessity.
 
I agree with the AB lynch. Too many posts have stuck out as odd or inconsistent with other types of posts made. As in lots of "noob" questions followed by a post that shows more understanding than shown previously and wasn't addressed by someone else.

Speaking of that, has Zen been playing a little more "Well golly gee shucks, I don't know..." than normal, or is it just my reading of their posts?

I don't get the same vibe from zen that you seem to be getting, but I was definitely noticing what you're saying about AB3. In addition to that weird vote for AM, I find it strange that she seemed to be so completely lost in some of her posts and then actually had really, really good strategic thoughts in others. It could be because she is getting the hang of the game. It also could be because she 1. Is repeating someone else's ideas from the wolf chat or 2. Is seeing how the other wolves are strategizing in the wolf chat and then following suit. It is something to keep in mind.
 
That said, I'm getting slight feels for BBC and 1dog. It's just some posts that have rubbed me the wrong way. I'm at work and on mobile for the next 8 hours, but after I can get on a computer and pull up some of the posts. I don't know if I find them more suspicious than AB3 at this point, so I want to go back and reread.
 
peer pressure ftw

unlynch teep
lynch AM

This from AB strikes me as just being a noob. And it kind of shows the dangerous mentality that happens with bandwagon lynches. As a noob, I feel pressure to go along with the group when everyone seems so sure about a lynch even when I don't share the same thoughts at all because I don't want to come under fire for standing out too much. So I can see where AB is coming from, and it makes me less inclined to think she's a wolf based off posts like that.
 
So since tracker was killed (sadness!), how likely is it now that the wolves don't know who the protector is? I would assume they would want the protector gone first and are trying to buy more time to find out who it is, thoughts?
They killed WTF right away. They weren't worried about the protector actually protecting. This is a dead issue.

Either they can block the protector, or they are the protector.
 
I'd be looking at everyone who started bandwagoning/voting with the mention of plurality, in my opinion. You might find wolves there however you're probably likely to find villagers too.
I have mixed feelings about this.

As a wolf, I go both ways... sometimes join a bandwagon, but mostly don't.
When there is a bandwagon, there is no NEED for wolves to join it. It is starting a bandwagon on someone you care about that matters to me, and we haven't lynched anyone important yet.

Also, lots of wolf lynches are bandwagons cause reasons make sense.
You can look, but I wouldn't find that a compelling reason to vote.
 
This from AB strikes me as just being a noob. And it kind of shows the dangerous mentality that happens with bandwagon lynches. As a noob, I feel pressure to go along with the group when everyone seems so sure about a lynch even when I don't share the same thoughts at all because I don't want to come under fire for standing out too much. So I can see where AB is coming from, and it makes me less inclined to think she's a wolf based off posts like that.
Trust your intuition on stuff. If you are just going to follow group mentality why bother playing? We need people who think, read, and analyze. That is the only way you can really help.

Wanna get better, use your own faculties. People will respect you for it.
 
I don't get the same vibe from zen that you seem to be getting, but I was definitely noticing what you're saying about AB3. In addition to that weird vote for AM, I find it strange that she seemed to be so completely lost in some of her posts and then actually had really, really good strategic thoughts in others. It could be because she is getting the hang of the game. It also could be because she 1. Is repeating someone else's ideas from the wolf chat or 2. Is seeing how the other wolves are strategizing in the wolf chat and then following suit. It is something to keep in mind.

This is why AB strikes me as strange too. I totally get noob questions and mistakes being made, but she seems to get the hang of it suddenly and turn around with a lot better understanding than I would expect her to be able to infer from the thread.
 
I have mixed feelings about this.

As a wolf, I go both ways... sometimes join a bandwagon, but mostly don't.
When there is a bandwagon, there is no NEED for wolves to join it. It is starting a bandwagon on someone you care about that matters to me, and we haven't lynched anyone important yet.

Also, lots of wolf lynches are bandwagons cause reasons make sense.
You can look, but I wouldn't find that a compelling reason to vote.

That's why the post you quoted stated that you're likely to find villagers too. I'd guess though that there might be at least 1 wolf in the late bandwagoners. Just my guess/opinion.
 
This is why AB strikes me as strange too. I totally get noob questions and mistakes being made, but she seems to get the hang of it suddenly and turn around with a lot better understanding than I would expect her to be able to infer from the thread.

Yes, exactly. I'm not saying I don't think she's made noob mistakes, and I'm not saying that her "peer pressure" vote was malevolent. I'm simply saying that the amount of understanding in her posts comes off as inconsistent to me.
 
Any particular reason? Seems odd to me that you would simply put a lynch vote after being so insistent on everyone else having reasoning behind theirs.
I am no fan of 1doggeek, but LIS is setting off too many bells for me.
1) I mentioned earlier I thought he was glib.
2) my post about the wolves being protector he said was completely wrong but interesting (I paraphrase, too lazy to look up exact wording). I can see saying it is unlikely but he seemed awfully certain I was wrong.
3) His being so nice with DVMD is kind of interesting. He likes to "play" with the DVMD/LIS rivalry from old, and I remember as a wolf he wanted to get into mock fights with her to distract people. I wonder if this is another of his being playful as a wolf.
4) His reply to my suspicions was "go with your gut", which felt like a reverse psychology thing to me. Trying to allay my fears by showing he isn't afraid of him.
5) his vote for 1dog without comment is not typical. And the fact I voted for 1dog yesterday just plays with my head.

Either LIS is a wolf messing around, or he is just inside my head.
I rarely vote to lynch him seriously early in the game because I enjoy playing with him (although i almost always jokingly vote for him as a throw-away early in the game), but this is too much for me to ignore.

Sorry man.
lynch LIS

FWIW, I do not have high level of confidence on this; i.e. I am not banging my shoe on the table about it, but I stick by my thoughts.
 
Yes, exactly. I'm not saying I don't think she's made noob mistakes, and I'm not saying that her "peer pressure" vote was malevolent. I'm simply saying that the amount of understanding in her posts comes off as inconsistent to me.
noobs are inconsistent. That is a fact of life. They can have great insights, cause being a noob doesn't make you dumb, just inexperienced. But they can also chase butterflies off a cliff.
 
noobs are inconsistent. That is a fact of life. They can have great insights, cause being a noob doesn't make you dumb, just inexperienced. But they can also chase butterflies off a cliff.
Aw sobsob, I've missed you so much, grumpkins. But there are some noobs who rush off said cliff with such flair, you just let them. It's like watching a beautiful moment of learning.
 
Hmmmm so I'm on my way to vacation. I will try to be as active as possible but if @dyachei needs to chuck me, please chuck away.

Game wise, LIS could be a bit off (like some cheese) but I'm not ready to string him up yet (just cause there are so many unknowns/vanillagers). I'm still a bit out of sorts ( my migraine has migrated but is staying quietish), what day are we on? Do we think there could have been any conversions? I am quite behind on this game (was in the ER twice yesterday for my migraine and have had no internet which I communicated to dy but she hasn't axed me (yet)) so I apologize for my confusion. I'm really still post-ictal-like after 5 days of migraine with little relief....
 
I just caught myself raising an eyebrow of suspicion at a couple of sheltermed's posts. And then remembered I took over for her :smack:

Hmmmm so I'm on my way to vacation. I will try to be as active as possible but if @dyachei needs to chuck me, please chuck away.

Game wise, LIS could be a bit off (like some cheese) but I'm not ready to string him up yet (just cause there are so many unknowns/vanillagers). I'm still a bit out of sorts ( my migraine has migrated but is staying quietish), what day are we on? Do we think there could have been any conversions? I am quite behind on this game (was in the ER twice yesterday for my migraine and have had no internet which I communicated to dy but she hasn't axed me (yet)) so I apologize for my confusion. I'm really still post-ictal-like after 5 days of migraine with little relief....
I haven't seen any evidence of conversion, though of course we know not every conversion happens on a no kill night. And I believe we are on day 4.
 
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Sorry that I wasn't more active village! :sorry:
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Do you think you could point to the post where that occured?

For me it occurred right here

This is a super interesting theory and I like it because it would force us as players to try harder to suss out wolves/villagers because we would have to rely more heavily on feels/critical thinking, because even being told the role may not tell us anything about affiliation.

On the other hand, this theory would also mean that the wolves would have a protector, which me no likey.

It also makes me wonder why there would be both a villager and a wolf seer, as (if randomly assigned to players) I think it would be much more likely villagers would have just been RNGd two seers instead.

I was feeling vetmed as roley for a bit but wasn't sure which way until that post (I actually had someone else pegged as the tracker). If you follow the conversation from there, most people were quick to point out that the protector role wouldn't be that much use in the hands of a wolf in the context of this game. It stuck me as kind of a quick offhand comment by someone who actually felt they needed to be protected.
 
So one of the people I came across that was mostly skating by on speculation about mechanics or game events without seeming to actually be wolf hunting was rocky. That's fine for early day 1 before there are posts to analyze but after that posting more about mechanics than about your suspicions in a basics game just seems like trying to look helpful without actually getting anything done.

She says this:
I thought the reason for a ton of vanillager roles was to take emphasis of of role and item-focused gameplay. Basically, anyone could claim vanillager, so the point is to make it where we can't just brush it off and really pick apart each others posts.
But I haven't seen evidence of her following that line of thought and picking apart anyone's posts.
The few times she did mention particular players were alway piggy backing off of things that had already been said, or didn't give any reasoning for her vote at all.

Lynch rocky
 
For me it occurred right here



I was feeling vetmed as roley for a bit but wasn't sure which way until that post (I actually had someone else pegged as the tracker). If you follow the conversation from there, most people were quick to point out that the protector role wouldn't be that much use in the hands of a wolf in the context of this game. It stuck me as kind of a quick offhand comment by someone who actually felt they needed to be protected.
Hmm. I was looking for something more concrete, but I suppose. I know she made a big post about seers possibly having restrictions and was really specific about it, which set off a little bell for me. All curiosity anyway, so it's not a big deal, doesn't really have any bearing on the game at this point.
 
As far as the AB and LIS lynches go - AB seems more noob, less wolf to me at the moment. Hard to distinguish, and my feelings may change on that, but I don't want to contribute to another runaway bandwagon like AM's lynch was. Hinders discussion in my opinion. And while I can see and understand the suspicions on LIS, I'm not sure I agree with them just yet.
 
They killed WTF right away. They weren't worried about the protector actually protecting. This is a dead issue.

Either they can block the protector, or they are the protector.

Or there is a strongman role, which I admit, I like the sounds of it, so I want there to be one. I'm not sure what the likelihood of that is though.

I am no fan of 1doggeek, but LIS is setting off too many bells for me.
1) I mentioned earlier I thought he was glib.
2) my post about the wolves being protector he said was completely wrong but interesting (I paraphrase, too lazy to look up exact wording). I can see saying it is unlikely but he seemed awfully certain I was wrong.
3) His being so nice with DVMD is kind of interesting. He likes to "play" with the DVMD/LIS rivalry from old, and I remember as a wolf he wanted to get into mock fights with her to distract people. I wonder if this is another of his being playful as a wolf.
4) His reply to my suspicions was "go with your gut", which felt like a reverse psychology thing to me. Trying to allay my fears by showing he isn't afraid of him.
5) his vote for 1dog without comment is not typical. And the fact I voted for 1dog yesterday just plays with my head.

Either LIS is a wolf messing around, or he is just inside my head.
I rarely vote to lynch him seriously early in the game because I enjoy playing with him (although i almost always jokingly vote for him as a throw-away early in the game), but this is too much for me to ignore.

Sorry man.
lynch LIS

FWIW, I do not have high level of confidence on this; i.e. I am not banging my shoe on the table about it, but I stick by my thoughts.
I also think you are probably wrong about one of the wolves having the protector role. I guess it could happen, but my opinion is that it is very unlikely.

Everyone keeps saying you have to go with your gut, and I think I really need to do that here.

Lynch LIS

I'm totally open to discussion of other possibilities, or why others think I may be wrong about this. Which I might be.
 
I had been working on this before lynch closed yesterday, but these were all the lukewarm votes near then end that bothered me. All pretty much variations on "Oh, I re-read, sounds good." MQ, BBC, AB, 1dog.

MQ- Someone I thought might struggle with this format.
BBC- Really the first time I noticed her this game.
AB- Most people have already talked about her peer pressure comment. She also had an odd one before that where she unlynched LoTF and lynched Teep and claimed feels on pretty much everyone that had been mentioned that day. She seems super focused on trying to not be wrong. Probably noob play, but could be something more.
1dog- Also had that earlier comment about needing to be careful with phrasing. It bothers me more combined with this vote.

I'm going to go with lynch 1dog
 
Just throwing this out there since people are concerned about my comment on phrasing:

1. I'm not dumb enough to draw attention to myself like that as a wolf. That's a pretty obvious attention drawing statement, and while I've never been a wolf, I know that's not a great way to slide under the radar. 😉

2. The reaction to my comment is exactly the point of my comment in the first place. Posting as a noob can be scary because everything gets so picked apart in this game (yeah that's how you should play, but it doesn't mean it isn't intimidating sometimes). It takes a while to learn the lingo and how everything works so you can cut down on noob-sounding-wolfy comments. That's all I meant by it.
 
I wish I could post a screenshot. I can't see lynch votes for me in the tally. It's like a sad game where I can see everyone else's tally, and people are trying to lynch me but I can't see it.
 
I wish I could post a screenshot. I can't see lynch votes for me in the tally. It's like a sad game where I can see everyone else's tally, and people are trying to lynch me but I can't see it.
Does this help?

Official lynch tally:
1dog 2 (LIS, BSC)
ab 2 (PBC, dvmd)
LIS 3 (BBC, SOV, jilary)
rocky 1 (wz)

8/21 votes
 
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I wish I could post a screenshot. I can't see lynch votes for me in the tally. It's like a sad game where I can see everyone else's tally, and people are trying to lynch me but I can't see it.
Are you using the SDN app? It likes to drop bolded things and do lots of other stupid stuff. It's often better to just access SDN via your phone's browser.
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Does this help?

Official lynch tally:
1dog 2 (LIS, BSC)
ab 2 (PBC, dvmd)
LIS 3 (BBC, SOV, jilary)
rocky 1 (wz)

8/21 votes

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Are you using the SDN app? It likes to drop bolded things and do lots of other stupid stuff. It's often better to just access SDN via your phone's browser.
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Yeah, I can see it that way. It's literally just the tally votes for me, I can see them in individual posts. I can count up the votes I can see and subtract from the total to keep track though!

And I would use my browser, but I'm cheap and only pay for minimal high speed data. I have unlimited data for the next few weeks, it's just slow, and the app loads a lot quicker and better than the website!
 
I can't speak for anyone else you listed, but my intentions are definitely good. I find it odd that you instantly turn it around that one of us must be a wolf.

It just makes sense. Once a few people show some suspicion of someone, it is in wolves' interest to help nudge that suspicion along to help get a villager lynched, and on top of it, it is a "safe" thing for them because it is easily defensible ("oops - oh well - other people thought he was sketchy too!").
 
I am no fan of 1doggeek, but LIS is setting off too many bells for me.
1) I mentioned earlier I thought he was glib.
2) my post about the wolves being protector he said was completely wrong but interesting (I paraphrase, too lazy to look up exact wording). I can see saying it is unlikely but he seemed awfully certain I was wrong.
3) His being so nice with DVMD is kind of interesting. He likes to "play" with the DVMD/LIS rivalry from old, and I remember as a wolf he wanted to get into mock fights with her to distract people. I wonder if this is another of his being playful as a wolf.
4) His reply to my suspicions was "go with your gut", which felt like a reverse psychology thing to me. Trying to allay my fears by showing he isn't afraid of him.
5) his vote for 1dog without comment is not typical. And the fact I voted for 1dog yesterday just plays with my head.

Either LIS is a wolf messing around, or he is just inside my head.
I rarely vote to lynch him seriously early in the game because I enjoy playing with him (although i almost always jokingly vote for him as a throw-away early in the game), but this is too much for me to ignore.

Sorry man.
lynch LIS

FWIW, I do not have high level of confidence on this; i.e. I am not banging my shoe on the table about it, but I stick by my thoughts.


No worries at all. Just try to use what little memory you have left in the next game to recall that every single one of your points was off base.
 
Regarding my vote for 1dog ....

I still want to lynch LotF. But I can't get any buy-in.

I am not sure how I feel about AB: his-her posts have certainly been eyebrow-worthy, but it is super hard to evaluate a n00b, so..... Dunno.

So I went with 1dog because a few things just struck me as out of place, and I haven't seen much meaningful contribution. It is a speculative vote.

Anyway, vote for me if you like. It always amuses me to be able to say "told you your reasons were stupid." But in a game like this, you shouod be going with your gut. If your gut says I am a wolf, pull the trigger - better to resolve the question and move on.

But once you do that, go back to that list of people who nudged things my way. I bet there is a wolf in it.
 
Oh. And I don't want to hear any bs from people 12 hours from now about how LIS should get a chance to defend. I've defended. Now lynch me or don't.
 
🙂 One last last comment: I do agree that the DVMD might be sketchy. Whenever she is this nice to me, it always catches my attention. Should lean on her and quit letting her just skate by, too.

Ok. Peace out for real now.
 
Just throwing this out there since people are concerned about my comment on phrasing:

1. I'm not dumb enough to draw attention to myself like that as a wolf. That's a pretty obvious attention drawing statement, and while I've never been a wolf, I know that's not a great way to slide under the radar. 😉

2. The reaction to my comment is exactly the point of my comment in the first place. Posting as a noob can be scary because everything gets so picked apart in this game (yeah that's how you should play, but it doesn't mean it isn't intimidating sometimes). It takes a while to learn the lingo and how everything works so you can cut down on noob-sounding-wolfy comments. That's all I meant by it.

The comment did come on day 1 before any noob wolf would have a chance to chat with the other wolves. It really does strike me more of a slip up than anything because a comment in that line of thought would have fit with where the conversation was a the time.

I think it's kinda funny that you're talking to me like I don't know what it's like to post as a noob, I'm definitely a noob in this circle. Though along those lines, there's a big difference between being called a noob and calling yourself a noob. Calling someone a noob means you're probably chalking something up to inexperience, calling yourself a noob is playing a mercy card of sorts.

You seem kinda hyperaware for two lynch votes early in the day with a couple other names on the list, I think I am ok with leaving my vote as is for the time being.
 
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