Back to basics WW again

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SummerTheLynx said:
Okay, given that jailkeeper is not a traditional mafia ability, in combination with the fact that there was a day vigilante, this is not a basics mafia game at its core. Traditionally, blocking and seer are separated in basic mafia games (yes, I may be a bit of a purist when it comes to mafia, but did the basics for so many years, and even with the different variants on basic that was infused in did not include day abilities nor combining of roles).

AM - LIS is still in the game, there are 25 players remaining, we started with 27.
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Oh. Duh. I need to wake up a bit more. Thanks STL.
 
Well crap this is going well... 🙁

In addition to talking more about the Jilary discussion from yesterday, I would like to hear from the people that left their votes on cdo even after her role reveal (specifically ski, SAR, and confusing). What was your reasoning? Yes it's possible they weren't all around for lynch close, but still seems a bit suspicious to me.
 
Based on the dialogue between cdo and @SkiOtter yesterday, I'm inclined to think Ski is a villager at this moment.

When cdo did not post comments in this thread (during the daytime of D1), Ski thought cdo's behavior was suspicious - especially since cdo had already found extra time to snapchat/converse with Ski during D1. To me, that seems to indicate Ski focused on cdo's "absence of comments" on this WW thread and decided cdo must be a non-villager.

Question: what do we call non-villagers in a Basic WW game? Do we still call them "wolves" or do we use a new name for non-villagers?
 
Zensing said:
Found it. I was wrong about PBC; it was Deva who was shot. We were thinking about lynching her, debating whether or not since she hadn't been active and was up for mod kill. Then,


Post #1361 on page 28. You can go back there if you want to see people's reactions.

Am I really the only person here from that game who remembers the day vig kill?
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Yup, you really are. I'd have said something if I had remembered it. Way too many ww games for me to recall something like that and recall which game it was from. I couldn't even tell you the name of the last ww game I played in. I have way too much in real life to deal with that remembering specifics from ww just doesn't happen anymore.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Okay, given that jailkeeper is not a traditional mafia ability, in combination with the fact that there was a day vigilante, this is not a basics mafia game at its core. Traditionally, blocking and seer are separated in basic mafia games (yes, I may be a bit of a purist when it comes to mafia, but did the basics for so many years, and even with the different variants on basic that was infused in did not include day abilities nor combining of roles).

AM - LIS is still in the game, there are 25 players remaining, we started with 27.

@Zensing - I was watching that game at that point and did not remember that at all... I mean I believe you, I see the quotes and all, I just feel like that's something I would have commented about at end game.

Also, as promised

lynch jilary
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I think our definition of basic and Mafia Universe's definition are different. Dy's last back to basics game included roles that we would consider non-normal, such as the strongman. I think she's using the Mafia Universe definition.

From the Normal Game guidelines on Mafia Wiki. I can't tell whether or not a day-vigilante is listed as a normal variant. It's definitely not non-normal, though. Jailkeeper is included in the list of roles available for a Normal game.
 
Actually, just re-read your conclusion when I posted the quote of it. More specifically, one *player* was probably blocked & protected. Given how early we are in the game, that could have been a villager or a wolf.

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PippyPony said:
Actually, just re-read your conclusion when I posted the quote of it. More specifically, one *player* was probably blocked & protected. Given how early we are in the game, that could have been a villager or a wolf.
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Thank you for this clarification @PippyPony.

So now, I don't know if a villager or a non-villager was blocked and protected on N1. Sheesh!
 
Zensing said:
Found it. I was wrong about PBC; it was Deva who was shot. We were thinking about lynching her, debating whether or not since she hadn't been active and was up for mod kill. Then,


Post #1361 on page 28. You can go back there if you want to see people's reactions.

Am I really the only person here from that game who remembers the day vig kill?
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I believed you, just wasn't the most memorable part of that game for me I guess.
 
I'm intrigued by the Jil lynch, but I think it's because I'm more curious if STL is right again like last game or not lol


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serher said:
Well crap this is going well... 🙁

In addition to talking more about the Jilary discussion from yesterday, I would like to hear from the people that left their votes on cdo even after her role reveal (specifically ski, SAR, and confusing). What was your reasoning? Yes it's possible they weren't all around for lynch close, but still seems a bit suspicious to me.
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I was around for close. I was debating about about unlynching her since it sounded like she had a useful ability, but then it was brought up that day vigilante sounded weird for a basics game and no one could remember Dy having a day vigilante game but could remember a 2 shot night vigilante. I kept my vote on cdo because I thought it would be weird for Dy to have a day vigilante if she hadn't had one in a previous game and that cdo could have just copied the role and changed night to day to avoid any conflicts. So I kept my vote on her because I still thought she was a wolf.
 
@SummerTheLynx seems to adamantly believe @Jilary is a non-villager. Does STL have any new comments concerning her suspicions about Jil at this time?

It also appears as if @DVMDream threw away a vote on D1 by voting for LIS.

I noticed that DVMD never changed her LIS vote (for the rest of D1) - even though LIS was 100% silent for the entirety of D1. Any thoughts?
 
Doctor-S said:
@SummerTheLynx seems to adamantly believe @Jilary is a non-villager. Does STL have any new comments concerning her suspicions about Jil at this time?

It also appears as if @DVMDream threw away a vote on D1 by voting for LIS.

I noticed that DVMD never changed her LIS vote (for the rest of D1) - even though LIS was 100% silent for the entirety of D1. Any thoughts?
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To me it looked like the LIS vote was just a joke.
 
Zensing said:
Well, that was a bad night for me to leave early. Sorry, everyone. Comments/responses in (somewhat) order posted -


This one.

Seemed like coopah was trying to frame a behavior as sketchy when she should have been able to work out that it was a reasonable action on day 1. Especially given that she posted this on the prior page:


One lynch vote generally doesn't invite discussion from the lynched party. Multiple lynch votes/a small bandwagon will. I thought Coopah knew that.


Was supposed to be logic, not login. That's what I get for typing quickly. :eggface:

Finally, not that it matters now,

Dy made the 2-shot vigilante a day vigilante last game. There was one day where PBC was killed (I think) about 6hrs before lynch closed when we had all settled on her to lynch. It freaked all of us out, and Dy had to clarify that PBC wasn't mod-killed.

Is anyone else besides me and DVMD here that was alive during that point in the basics game? I know the day vigilante shot stood out in my memory, so I would think that others would have remembered it with cdo's role reveal.
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With regards to my post about ally, I got defensive, I always do. No I didn't know discussion only started after multiple lynch votes, I always respond to just one. Finally, sorry @cdoconn I didn't know day vigilantes were a thing.
 
DVMDream said:
In on the fence right now as to if STL I'd trying to be his idiot savant self or his wolf self..... I'm getting some of the little hairs on the back of my neck raising with some of his posts. I'll hold out for a bit though to see if that changes at all.
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I was getting the same kinda feeling...but I've never played a game with him, so his style might just come off weird to me. I thought it was strange how much he pushed the day vigilante not being a thing (when clearly it is)...
 
Coopah said:
With regards to my post about ally, I got defensive, I always do. No I didn't know discussion only started after multiple lynch votes, I always respond to just one. Finally, sorry @cdoconn I didn't know day vigilantes were a thing.
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General rule of thumb:
- "retaliatory" (you voted for me, so I'm going to vote for you) are bad for village, because village benefits from lynching wolves, not from lynching people who are trying to find wolves. Fine to vote for that person for other reasons.
- defending when only one (or even two) person is voting for you is often seen as suspicious / indicative of a guilty conscience

(I learned both of those things the hard way. )
 
allyphoe said:
General rule of thumb:
- "retaliatory" (you voted for me, so I'm going to vote for you) are bad for village, because village benefits from lynching wolves, not from lynching people who are trying to find wolves. Fine to vote for that person for other reasons.
- defending when only one (or even two) person is voting for you is often seen as suspicious / indicative of a guilty conscience

(I learned both of those things the hard way. )
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Haha good to know. It wasn't a retaliatory vote, I explained in later posts. Perhaps I should let one or two lynch votes slide but at the time I was clearly a front runner and people were literally jumping on my bandwagon. I probably should have handled it better.
 
lynch STL savant or no, he's too smart to not have remembered that the vigilante in last game was a day vigilante. he's dangerous if a wolf or villager imo, if he's going to be misleading.
 
  1. Doctor-S said:
    @SummerTheLynx seems to adamantly believe @Jilary is a non-villager. Does STL have any new comments concerning her suspicions about Jil at this time?
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Doctor-S said:
It also appears as if @DVMDream threw away a vote on D1 by voting for LIS.

I noticed that DVMD never changed her LIS vote (for the rest of D1) - even though LIS was 100% silent for the entirety of D1. Any thoughts?
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Here is s good teachable moment to elevate play a little bit.

Throw away votes can be sketch, but depends on when the vote is and where the vote is. I don't have my spreadsheet on me right now (at grocery store), but I think it was an early in the day, which can go either way (a veteran who wants to have a default vote and claim they didn't check in later vs. actually throwing a vote down). Throw away votes towards the end of a lynch, or mid lynch, where 1 was a front runner, is extremely telling. There are only a handful of veterans who will vote wolves early on (excluding first vote) so based on the player you can assess who are villagers and who are wolves from a competitive lynch, with some accuracy. Wolves just played it really poorly last game, and literally all of them fell into that voter trap. While ally's vote was the best out of the bunch, it was still fairly obvious that one of those that had those throw away was a wolf.

In any event, MMM, that's lazy play on your part. I play almost every WW game. Go back, check on how I play in 2-3 games. See what my style is.

Nyanko - if I had seen that during that game, I would have made a comment at the end about how that is very much not basics (whereas strongman can be argued either way). Day abilities are not basics. Period. I ran the mafbot for a part of the time, and if I had added a role that was a day ability (and I had done some interesting modifications overall) I would have gotten yelled at. But it's honestly a fair enough vote, I should have seen that, and didn't
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Here is s good teachable moment to elevate play a little bit.

Throw away votes can be sketch, but depends on when the vote is and where the vote is. I don't have my spreadsheet on me right now (at grocery store), but I think it was an early in the day, which can go either way (a veteran who wants to have a default vote and claim they didn't check in later vs. actually throwing a vote down). Throw away votes towards the end of a lynch, or mid lynch, where 1 was a front runner, is extremely telling. There are only a handful of veterans who will vote wolves early on (excluding first vote) so based on the player you can assess who are villagers and who are wolves from a competitive lynch, with some accuracy. Wolves just played it really poorly last game, and literally all of them fell into that voter trap. While ally's vote was the best out of the bunch, it was still fairly obvious that one of those that had those throw away was a wolf.

In any event, MMM, that's lazy play on your part. I play almost every WW game. Go back, check on how I play in 2-3 games. See what my style is.

Nyanko - if I had seen that during that game, I would have made a comment at the end about how that is very much not basics (whereas strongman can be argued either way). Day abilities are not basics. Period. I ran the mafbot for a part of the time, and if I had added a role that was a day ability (and I had done some interesting modifications overall) I would have gotten yelled at. But it's honestly a fair enough vote, I should have seen that, and didn't
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Thank you for your thoughts and additional comments.

[By the way, I have learned you are a "he" and not a "she." My apologies.]
 
Doctor-S said:
Thank you for your thoughts and additional comments.

[By the way, I have learned you are a "he" and not a "she." My apologies.]
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Very common mistake especially with my user name. And a fair assumption that all pre vets are female.
 
Doctor-S said:
@SummerTheLynx seems to adamantly believe @Jilary is a non-villager. Does STL have any new comments concerning her suspicions about Jil at this time?

It also appears as if @DVMDream threw away a vote on D1 by voting for LIS.

I noticed that DVMD never changed her LIS vote (for the rest of D1) - even though LIS was 100% silent for the entirety of D1. Any thoughts?
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That's not what "throw away vote" means....

I also had no reason to change my vote on D1 with no info. There is no need for everyone to be voting for the same 1-3 people, especially now when plurality is in effect. We need to be careful with voting and bandwagoning. I also did the LIS vote as partially a joke and in part to see how he reacted... he never showed up so never got to see his reaction.
 
serher said:
Well crap this is going well... 🙁

In addition to talking more about the Jilary discussion from yesterday, I would like to hear from the people that left their votes on cdo even after her role reveal (specifically ski, SAR, and confusing). What was your reasoning? Yes it's possible they weren't all around for lynch close, but still seems a bit suspicious to me.
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I left my vote on cdo due to the turn of events on the role reveal. It ultimately came off as manipulative to me. And there was question as to whether such a role would even exist. I would not normally trust another person's word, but several people seemed to agree and wasn't able to find it myself before closing. (Although, in hindsight, this could've been wolfplay, I suppose)
Sorry cdo!
But now I definitely have suspicions for STL and maybe ski.
 
Welp. This sucks for village.

serher said:
Well crap this is going well... 🙁

In addition to talking more about the Jilary discussion from yesterday, I would like to hear from the people that left their votes on cdo even after her role reveal (specifically ski, SAR, and confusing). What was your reasoning? Yes it's possible they weren't all around for lynch close, but still seems a bit suspicious to me.
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I was not here for lynch close (was at Hidden Figures - which was an amazing movie btw). However, even had I been here I probably would have left my vote. Based on some more experienced players questioning the day ability and my own experience playing flash mafia games where vig's were only ever night roles... Well, it was incorrect in this case and sucks. But I likely wouldn't have moved for the reasons above.
 
HowConfusing said:
I left my vote on cdo due to the turn of events on the role reveal. It ultimately came off as manipulative to me. And there was question as to whether such a role would even exist. I would not normally trust another person's word, but several people seemed to agree and wasn't able to find it myself before closing. (Although, in hindsight, this could've been wolfplay, I suppose)
Sorry cdo!
But now I definitely have suspicions for STL and maybe ski.
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IDK about Ski. To me it would be a pretty crappy wolf move to be suuper vocal about wanting to lynch someone who would flip villager. Obviously that reflects poorly on whoever started pushing that lynch. (Unless, of course, smart meta wolf is smart but right now I'm not super suspicious in that direction.)
 
nyanko said:
lynch STL savant or no, he's too smart to not have remembered that the vigilante in last game was a day vigilante. he's dangerous if a wolf or villager imo, if he's going to be misleading.
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Since there seems to be some interest from the newer players in how to analyze thread activity (and honestly, because I am relatively new myself and would like to improve my play), I am going to throw out my thoughts on this.

Ny (like most people who aren't STL or LIS) is generally not a particularly aggressive player.

If STL is a wolf, I would not expect fellow-wolf-Ny to attempt to bus him on Day 2. So if STL is a wolf, Ny is probably village.

If STL is village, and Jil and Ny are both wolves, then STL correctly called Jil on Day 1. Better to night kill him than to have been seen to lead a lynch on someone who was lynching a fellow wolf. So again, Ny is more likely village.

If STL is village, Jil is village, and Ny is wolf, it's a lot easier and less suspicious to fall in behind STL, get another villager lynched, and let someone else lead an STL lynch on Day 3. So again, Ny is more likely village.

Just my take on things, and wolves will intentionally do "no wolf would ever do that" things in order to get village cred. But at the moment, I'm putting Ny in my "probably villager" column.
 
@DVMDream ... I do not know you and I am not familiar with your style of play - sorry.

However, I thought some important information was gleaned by everyone on D1.

For instance:

1. cdo revealed that she had been assigned an important "role" in this WW game. So, there was a lot of interest concerning cdo's "role."

@DVMDream, are you suggesting that a "role reveal" is not important in a WW game? Just wondering, that's all.

2. Between Friday morning (at 9:10 AM) until Saturday evening (6:06 PM), DVMD posted 7 separate comments on this thread (I recall DVMD posting she had "the weekend off" - not that I expect anyone to be glued to SDN ... no worries).

DVMD said:
Lynch LIS... because I have the weekend off and want to make the game interesting right away. And because why not lynch the grumpy old man?
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3. LIS did not post anything on this thread (during this 33-hour period of time between Friday morning until Saturday evening).

Despite that long length of time, DVMD did not change her vote to lynch LIS (despite LIS' lengthy absence from this thread).

So, I'm still wondering if DVMD threw away her vote for any other reasons; or was her vote merely intended to be a funny joke? Just wondering, that's all, still a noob here.
 
SARdoghandler said:
IDK about Ski. To me it would be a pretty crappy wolf move to be suuper vocal about wanting to lynch someone who would flip villager. Obviously that reflects poorly on whoever started pushing that lynch. (Unless, of course, smart meta wolf is smart but right now I'm not super suspicious in that direction.)
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Yeah, I honestly feel like both are maybe too vocal this early to be wolves? I just have a feeling it's more likely somebody quieter right now.
 
Personally I don't think STL is a good lynch right now. I believe it was mentioned in the last game there was a NIGHT assassin. Just because he forgot it was a day assassin doesn't mean he's a wolf. Whatever tingly senses DVMD is having is another matter. I'm not sure what posts are setting you off but if you could explain it, I might jump on board with that.
 
Doctor-S said:
are you suggesting that a "role reveal" is not important in a WW game? Just wondering, that's all.
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In a basics game, where few people have roles, good village play is to make it hard for wolves to identify who has roles. So better to keep silent about both being roley and about being vanilla, unless lynch is imminent.

Even in a game where everyone has a role name and many people have abilities, knowing who is who benefits wolves more than village - it gives them a better chance to develop a plausible cover role and to identify better targets for night kills.

(Also something I have learned the hard way.)
 
Doctor-S said:
@DVMDream ... I do not know you and I am not familiar with your style of play - sorry.

However, I thought some important information was gleaned by everyone on D1.

For instance:

1. cdo revealed that she had been assigned an important "role" in this WW game. So, there was a lot of interest concerning cdo's "role."

@DVMDream, are you suggesting that a "role reveal" is not important in a WW game? Just wondering, that's all.

2. Between Friday morning (at 9:10 AM) until Saturday evening (6:06 PM), DVMD posted 7 separate comments on this thread (I recall DVMD posting she had "the weekend off" - not that I expect anyone to be glued to SDN ... no worries).



3. LIS did not post anything on this thread (during this 33-hour period of time between Friday morning until Saturday evening).

Despite that long length of time, DVMD did not change her vote to lynch LIS (despite LIS' lengthy absence from this thread).

So, I'm still wondering if DVMD threw away her vote for any other reasons; or was her vote merely intended to be a funny joke? Just wondering, that's all, still a noob here.
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1. I never said that revealing you have a role isn't important. Did I? No, I said I had no reason to change my vote.

2. I do have the weekend off. I'm sure as hell not going to spend it checking into SDN all the time. Eff that. I have other things I'd like to do on my one weekend off I get each month.

3. A "throw away vote" occurs at the end of a lynch. When conversation has been on a few players and someone comes on and goes "lynch fido" despite fido never being brought up. That's a throw away vote. I had NO reason to change my vote off LIS. I also have no way to tell when or if he will check in. Just because he hasn't responded in 33 hours doesn't mean I should change my vote. If that were the case, then your argument is that if someone doesn't check in or talk we just don't lynch them, which is so not true.


Let's boil this down to....you don't know me or my play. 7 posts is not unusual for me and that wasn't a throw away vote. Doesn't even follow the definition of one as STL has already described to you.
 
Doctor-S said:
@DVMDream ... I do not know you and I am not familiar with your style of play - sorry.

However, I thought some important information was gleaned by everyone on D1.

For instance:

1. cdo revealed that she had been assigned an important "role" in this WW game. So, there was a lot of interest concerning cdo's "role."

@DVMDream, are you suggesting that a "role reveal" is not important in a WW game? Just wondering, that's all.

2. Between Friday morning (at 9:10 AM) until Saturday evening (6:06 PM), DVMD posted 7 separate comments on this thread (I recall DVMD posting she had "the weekend off" - not that I expect anyone to be glued to SDN ... no worries).



3. LIS did not post anything on this thread (during this 33-hour period of time between Friday morning until Saturday evening).

Despite that long length of time, DVMD did not change her vote to lynch LIS (despite LIS' lengthy absence from this thread).

So, I'm still wondering if DVMD threw away her vote for any other reasons; or was her vote merely intended to be a funny joke? Just wondering, that's all, still a noob here.
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There is little to go on day 1, if she didn't like either of the major candidates, it's perfectly fine to leave your vote where it was. It's not necessarily a throw away on day 1.

And the point is that if people are role revealing for anything it's bad. It's better to keep whatever role you have, whether it be vanillager or seer, to yourself, as it just becomes a weed out game for wolves to figure out who important roles are. So it's best to vote off of voting patterns, feels, and others. Normally, I would drive people in a non basics game, cause pressure, get a slip up. I have to scale it back a little in games like this as my tactics tend to end in them giving some type of role reveal, and I can't frogger around with that as much in a game with like 4 important villager roles.
 
Coopah said:
Personally I don't think STL is a good lynch right now. I believe it was mentioned in the last game there was a NIGHT assassin. Just because he forgot it was a day assassin doesn't mean he's a wolf. Whatever tingly senses DVMD is having is another matter. I'm not sure what posts are setting you off but if you could explain it, I might jump on board with that.
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Its easier to explain the tingling senses if you know normal STL play. It gets hard with this game being quite full of noobs. It seems like STL is being helpful and trying to guide conversaton, which he very well might be. But, he does this as a wolf and he tries to guide conversation towards specific things as a wolf. I don't know how else to explain it as its just a feeling I have after playing many games with him and knowing his normal play.
 
DVMDream said:
Yup, you really are. I'd have said something if I had remembered it. Way too many ww games for me to recall something like that and recall which game it was from. I couldn't even tell you the name of the last ww game I played in. I have way too much in real life to deal with that remembering specifics from ww just doesn't happen anymore.
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WildZoo said:
I believed you, just wasn't the most memorable part of that game for me I guess.
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After thinking about it, I'm going to back off about expecting everyone to remember the day kill. It sticks out in my mind because it made me panic, but that part probably only applies from checking in between when deva was suddenly killed and when dy posted her explanation. If someone checked in afterwards and saw the kill and explanation right after each other, then it probably had a lot less of an emotional impact.

Coopah said:
How is everybody feeling about LIS? He hadn't checked in yet. Are we leaving him be until he does or for a couple more lynched at least?
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I vote leave him alone. If he doesn't post in the next day cycle or two, he'll get modkilled and we'll find out who he is then. No need to waste our lynch today.
 
Doctor-S said:
@DVMDream ... I do not know you and I am not familiar with your style of play - sorry.

However, I thought some important information was gleaned by everyone on D1.

For instance:

1. cdo revealed that she had been assigned an important "role" in this WW game. So, there was a lot of interest concerning cdo's "role."

@DVMDream, are you suggesting that a "role reveal" is not important in a WW game? Just wondering, that's all.

2. Between Friday morning (at 9:10 AM) until Saturday evening (6:06 PM), DVMD posted 7 separate comments on this thread (I recall DVMD posting she had "the weekend off" - not that I expect anyone to be glued to SDN ... no worries).



3. LIS did not post anything on this thread (during this 33-hour period of time between Friday morning until Saturday evening).

Despite that long length of time, DVMD did not change her vote to lynch LIS (despite LIS' lengthy absence from this thread).

So, I'm still wondering if DVMD threw away her vote for any other reasons; or was her vote merely intended to be a funny joke? Just wondering, that's all, still a noob here.
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I am the one that said I have the weekend free (unless she did too and I missed it. I just woke up. It's glorious, never happens) DVMD and LIS have known each other for a long time, we've all been known to throw out a vote for LIS. Cdo saying she has a role I think is important but doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to scramble to change their vote. I didn't change mine either
 
Coopah said:
How is everybody feeling about LIS? He hadn't checked in yet. Are we leaving him be until he does or for a couple more lynched at least?
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I think it's weird. With the post restriction on either I was thinking he had special permission to be absent the first day or he has a post restriction of his own
 
WildZoo said:
1. DVMD - strongman wolf
2. LotF - villager
3. vetmedhead - tracker
4. kaydubs - wolf
5. Teep - villager
6. Jilary - villager
7. Animal Midwife - villager
8. Filly Bay - Protector
9. Katashark - villager
10. Rocky - villager
11. Hayley - villager
12. SandstormDVM - villager
13. PrincessButterCup - mason
14. STL - wolf seer
15. Zensing - wolf
16. LeTitsNow - villager
17. morninqlory - villager
18. Guis - villager
19. ResoluteMike/SOV - villager
20. BBC -villager
21. genny - villager
22. BSC/VMH - villager
23. rojo - 2 shot vigilante
24. WTF - village seer
25. Diva - villager
26. 1dogg - villager
27. sheltermed/WZ - mason
28. AlphaBeta<3 - wolf
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Yesterday morning, STL asked for the last basics game roles and WZ gave him this tally. I looked back and couldn't find this list on the thread that showed everyone's ability, so not quite sure where she got it from. Do you save ww spreadsheets WZ? Anyways so we all obviously glossed over this post because it does show rojo as a 2 shot vigilante (though it doesn't mention he had a day ability).

When I went back to the last basic game here is the people that played that game and are playing this game:

Alive during the day vigilante kill:
1. DVMD
6. Jilary
15. Zensing
16. LeTitsNow
27. sheltermed/WZ

Dead during the day vigilante kill:
7. Animal Midwife
14. STL

Now, since after the game no one discussed the kill I am going to believe STL on that he didn't remember it (also he was dead). LIS didn't comment yesterday, Zen remembered it, and AM was dead at the time when it happened. DVMD never commented on that situation because she was busy arguing with genny, but WZ and Jil both commented on the assassination. Now I know you guys have played a lot of games since June/July, but I would think someone besides Zen would remember.
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
DVMD never commented on that situation
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Correction, DVMD did.
DVMDream said:
Yup, you really are. I'd have said something if I had remembered it. Way too many ww games for me to recall something like that and recall which game it was from. I couldn't even tell you the name of the last ww game I played in. I have way too much in real life to deal with that remembering specifics from ww just doesn't happen anymore.
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Right now I am looking at WZ because she gave the players/roles to STL yesterday and I couldn't find them easily on the thread so I feel like if she had to search or use a past spreadsheet she would have realized there was a day vigilante and mentioned it yesterday during voting. Yesterday she just casually said something like "day roles are sometimes a thing."

Lynch WZ
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
Yesterday morning, STL asked for the last basics game roles and WZ gave him this tally. I looked back and couldn't find this list on the thread that showed everyone's ability, so not quite sure where she got it from. Do you save ww spreadsheets WZ? Anyways so we all obviously glossed over this post because it does show rojo as a 2 shot vigilante (though it doesn't mention he had a day ability).

When I went back to the last basic game here is the people that played that game and are playing this game:

Alive during the day vigilante kill:
1. DVMD
6. Jilary
15. Zensing
16. LeTitsNow
27. sheltermed/WZ

Dead during the day vigilante kill:
7. Animal Midwife
14. STL

Now, since after the game no one discussed the kill I am going to believe STL on that he didn't remember it (also he was dead). LIS didn't comment yesterday, Zen remembered it, and AM was dead at the time when it happened. DVMD never commented on that situation because she was busy arguing with genny, but WZ and Jil both commented on the assassination. Now I know you guys have played a lot of games since June/July, but I would think someone besides Zen would remember.
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That list was from near the end of the game when almost everyone was dead. I just copied and pasted and then filled in the roles that were revealed when the game ended. I did note that rojo was a 2 shot vig, and I think STL mentioned it too, but I posted that list before cdo revealed so it didn't necessarily mean anything. And neither of us remembered he had been a day vig.

If you look back to where Zen linked, I checked back in long after the situation with Deva had already been cleared up. As I said yesterday, day roles aren't unheard of, so since I wasn't around for the initial confusion, it really didn't stick in my brain. And yes, I've played quite a few games since then.
 
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