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VISA has hopium for SOL.

The obvious pros are that Solana is fast and cheap… but doesn’t their network have unexpected shut downs periodically? Has that issue been “fixed” yet?

Imagine going to use your Visa card and the transaction can’t go through because the network is down.
 
The obvious pros are that Solana is fast and cheap… but doesn’t their network have unexpected shut downs periodically? Has that issue been “fixed” yet?

Imagine going to use your Visa card and the transaction can’t go through because the network is down.

Yes Fire dancer is a new validator client that's supposed to fix those issues. That was the main reason for the recent pump.

 
The obvious pros are that Solana is fast and cheap… but doesn’t their network have unexpected shut downs periodically? Has that issue been “fixed” yet?

Imagine going to use your Visa card and the transaction can’t go through because the network is down.

The chain may be somewhat decentralized, but it is not permissionless, which is fine when you have chargebacks and theft. That’s perfectly fine as long as the token holders and users are aware. I think $SOL is on its way price wise.
 
I have a dumb question. BTC is considered valuable because there are only 21 million BTC. Someone made it out of thin air. What's stopping someone from cloning it? Can't they make an identical block chain or network or whatever that's exactly the same?
 
I have a dumb question. BTC is considered valuable because there are only 21 million BTC. Someone made it out of thin air. What's stopping someone from cloning it? Can't they make an identical block chain or network or whatever that's exactly the same?
This gets asked quite a lot…

Yes, bitcoin’s code is open-source and anyone can clone/copy it - and many people have been doing this unsuccessfully since 2011. The problem is, you’re starting from scratch - no users, no network, no name recognition, etc. Bitcoin has a 16 year head start on you.

Apparently the selling point of being a cheap knock-off of bitcoin hasn’t gone over well in the market?
 
I have a dumb question. BTC is considered valuable because there are only 21 million BTC. Someone made it out of thin air. What's stopping someone from cloning it? Can't they make an identical block chain or network or whatever that's exactly the same?

Same reason why people still go to the Louis Vuitton store when you can get the same thing from China for 1/10 the price
 
Bitcoin doomers will be in shock in a year.
Sure. Let us know when you sell. It’s not a gain until you sell and exchange it for real money. What’s the P/E ratio for Bitcoin? 😂 It’s shockingly environmentally destructive for an ‘product?’, ‘investment?’, ‘currency?’ that does nothing.

BTW: I hope you all make money off of Bitcoin.
 
Sure. Let us know when you sell. It’s not a gain until you sell and exchange it for real money. What’s the P/E ratio for Bitcoin? It’s shockingly environmentally destructive for an ‘product?’, ‘investment?’, ‘currency?’ that does nothing.

BTW: I hope you all make money off of Bitcoin.

Why sell when I can borrow against it and keep the underlying asset and pay no taxes?
 
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Sure. Let us know when you sell. It’s not a gain until you sell and exchange it for real money. What’s the P/E ratio for Bitcoin? 😂 It’s shockingly environmentally destructive for an ‘product?’, ‘investment?’, ‘currency?’ that does nothing.

BTW: I hope you all make money off of Bitcoin.
Yes, I will be sure to report back with my profits once I sell.

And thanks for the well wishes! 😁
 
Post your BTC as collateral (typically ~150% of the loan in USD) for a loan, pay back your loan. Due to the volatility in crypto, that loan could be liquidated unless you post more collateral to maintain your loan to value.

Early days of crypto lending market but there are quite a few companies out there.
 
Post your BTC as collateral (typically ~150% of the loan in USD) for a loan, pay back your loan. Due to the volatility in crypto, that loan could be liquidated unless you post more collateral to maintain your loan to value.

Early days of crypto lending market but there are quite a few companies out there.
Yeah, they bundle lots of loans together that are all based on a rock solid asset class, crypto, to ‘diversify’ the portfolio. Then they pay rating agencies to evaluate the new securities and they get AAA ratings! What could go wrong?
 
Bitcoin doomers will be in shock in a year.
I mean isn't the writing sorta obvious for most folks. Wouldn't be a great look for woods, fidelity, fink, and several others if they were going to go through all this hassle to get ETFs then somehow the price goes super low how does that help those guys who are in it for fees and long term that is how they make major $$.

I set low expectations. Even if ATH this cycle only slightly higher than previous one the big picture is still mass adoption with ETFs will only increase and it just solidifies the whole spae even more with institution's and everyone else that can finally get in now due to those ETFs.

I think what the price and MC is not the primary focus with those that get it. I think if people just go in with a 10 year time horizon or more like with equities even those only obsessed with the price will be pretty content. However, we live in society where no one has patience. Fun times ahead.
 
I understand most people won’t grock what the ethos of BTC is. This is the 1st asset class in our lifetime where we beat the “smart money” to the asset. This thread is over 3 years and I’m still getting arrows slung my way. Quite entertaining to see. I’ve dropped tons of knowledge on markets, economy, the digital revolution, non-government money, the importance of have wealth outside the system, self-custody, and where I think the puck is going (not where it’s at).

Even when mass adoption happens, people will still come to this thread to tell me I’m wrong and it will be glorious to see. Some people need to be told by authority figure to tell them that it’s ok to adopt or use something, which is fine. But I did the deep dive 6 or 7 years ago, and I just wait for the rest to catch up. Still early but, I think things will be gnarly 2024 and 2025. Buckle up….
 
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/preview-argentinas-consequential-election-sunday




Javier Milei, the outsider libertarian candidate with radical solutions to Argentina’s economic crisis, has just won Sunday’s presidential runoff against Economy Minister Sergio Massa.

In a surprise outcome, Massa conceded in a speech to supporters in Buenos Aires on Sunday even before the official results were released, saying he called Milei to congratulate him on his victory.

Javier Milei, a 53-year-old far-right economist and former television pundit with no governing experience, claimed nearly 56 percent of the vote, with more than 80 percent of votes tallied. It was a stunning upset over Sergio Massa, the center-left economy minister who has struggled to resolve the country’s worst economic crisis in two decades.


Voters in this nation of 46 million demanded a drastic change from a government that has sent the peso tumbling, inflation skyrocketing and more than 40 percent of the population into poverty. And with Milei, Argentina takes a leap into the unknown — with a leader promising to shatter the entire system, which the locals now correctly realize, is broken.

Milei, who two months ago was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, has promised to fix Argentina’s perennial economic problems by making drastic budget cuts, replacing the battered peso with the US dollar and shutting down the central bank. He will take office on Dec. 10.

Ep. 24 Argentina’s next president could be Javier Milei. Who is he? We traveled to Buenos Aires to speak with him and find out. pic.twitter.com/4WwTZYoWHs

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) September 14, 2023
Massa, from the ruling Peronist coalition, placed first in October’s first round, a remarkable comeback after losing a primary election two months previously. But the dire state of Argentina’s economy, plagued by 143% hyperinflation and a looming recession, posed a challenge too far to his presidential bid.

“Argentines chose another path,” Massa said in a speech to supporters. Polls before the vote showed Milei with a slight edge over his rival.

For those unfamiliar with Milei's unique style, the following clip should be rather informative:

THE JAVIER MILEI MUSICAL IS GONNA BE WAY MORE FIRE THAN EVITA. pic.twitter.com/OHxQwBhXVW

— INVESTMENT HULK (@INVESTMENTSHULK) August 18, 2023
Commenting on Milei's victory, Elon Musk predicted that "Prosperity is ahead for Argentina."

Prosperity is ahead for Argentina

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2023
A Milei presidency will have profound implications for not only the third-largest economy in Latin America, but also the region and the world. In a continent dominated by leftist leaders, Milei could create tensions with governments he has attacked, including crucial trading partner and neighbor Brazil. In an era of growing Chinese influence in Latin America, Milei could become the region’s most vocal antagonist to a country he once called “an assassin.”

Milei made a name for himself as a television pundit who insulted other guests, and has shown a tendency to fight with the news media. In presidential debates, he has cast doubt on the widely accepted tally of murders during the country’s Dirty War from 1976 to 1983.

He has branded Argentine Pope Francis an "evil" leftist, called climate change a "socialist lie" and said he would hold a referendum to undo the three-year-old law that legalized abortion.

Wielding chain saws on the campaign trail, the wild-haired Milei vowed to slash public spending in a country heavily dependent on government subsidies. He pledged to dollarize the economy, shut down the central bank and cut the number of government ministries from 18 to eight. His rallying campaign cry was a takedown of the country’s political “caste” — an Argentine version of Trump’s “drain the swamp.”

Massa was emblematic of that ruling elite — “the king of the caste,” said political analyst Pablo Touzón. The career politician attempted to distance himself from the leftist government of Alberto Fernández and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the heirs to the populist dynasty first launched by Juan and Eva “Evita” Peron in the 1940s. Along with a grassroots campaign of activists, Massa sought to stoke fear over a Milei presidency they argued could threaten Argentina’s democracy and way of life.

But ultimately, anger won over fear. For many Argentines, the bigger risk was more of the same.

“We don’t have anything to lose,” Tomás Limodio, a 36-year-old business owner who voted for Milei in Buenos Aires on Sunday. “We’ve had this type of government for so many years, and things are only getting worse.”

* * *

Earlier:

Argentinians return to the polls on Sunday, November 19 to elect the next president in a consequential runoff election. Voters will choose between incumbent Finance Minister Sergio Massa and right-wing libertarian Javier Milei. The election results will shape Argentina’s social and macroeconomic outlook in coming years.

As Goldman writes in its election preview note, polls point to a tightly contested race, with a majority showing Milei having a slight edge in voter preferences. A significant fraction (around one third of polls), however, suggests that Massa is in the lead. In general, polls in Argentina have a poor track record and in this electoral process they have systematically failed to capture shifts in voters’ sentiment. To add to the uncertainty, Massa was seen as outperforming Milei in the final presidential debate last week.



In the August primary elections (PASO), Javier Milei’s La Libertad Avanza party surprised by taking the lead, followed by the center-right coalition Juntos por el Cambio whose presidential ticket would be led by Patricia Bullrich. Massa’s left-leaning Peronist coalition, Unión por la Patria, finished third. In the October first round election, in turn, Massa topped most expectations with an improved performance and finished first. Milei came in second place without a significant change in support, and Bullrich disappointed and finished a distant third.



After the first-round election, part of the Juntos por el Cambio coalition, the faction led by Ms. Bullrich and former President Mauricio Macri, announced their support for Mr. Milei. While the bloc represented by the Radical Party decided not to formally endorse any of the candidates, some members have publicly sided with Mr. Massa.

Following Sunday´s results, investors will turn their attention to economic policy announcements. In the short term, the highly managed exchange rate will be a critical variable to follow. After the August primary elections, the government weakened the exchange rate by about 22% to 350 ARS per Dollar. Subsequently, the exchange rate was kept frozen at this level until this week, when a crawl resumed (1.0% so far this week). Nevertheless, pass-through was high and inflation accelerated considerably after the post-PASO devaluation and as a result, the real exchange rate is now even more overvalued than before the August devaluation.



Parallel exchange rates, for their part, continue to trade at a significant spread over the official rate (162% for the informal market exchange rate and around 145% for the bond (MEP) and equity (CCL) implied rates) and the futures market anticipates a meaningful depreciation in the months ahead. Pressures in both markets, however, eased after the first-round election showed Massa first, having increased significantly following Milei’s outperformance in the August PASO.



Likewise important, in the coming months there are significant payments scheduled to the IMF (around US$0.9bn in December and US$1.9bn in January) and foreign currency bond holders (approximately US$1.5bn due in interest payments in January). In the meantime, the EFF program with the IMF remains off track, and in our view its realignment will take time.



Regardless of the election winner, Goldman writes that a swift change in economic policies is imperative. The accumulated imbalances in the economy have grown too large and must be addressed promptly. The bank expects the economy to contract for the second year in a row in 2024, annual inflation is tracking at close to 150% and is expected to continue to rise in the coming months, the exchange rate is overvalued, international reserves are at critical levels, net reserves are significantly negative (around -US11bn), the fiscal imbalance persists, sovereign bonds trade at distressed levels, and the government lacks access to international financial markets. All in, if policymakers do not steer macro policy in a more orthodox direction, the macro adjustment could impose itself sooner or later, bringing a loss of control of the process and even higher social and economic costs.



Argentina will be the next nation to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Milei stated if elected he will ditch the Argentine Peso for the US dollar and make Bitcoin legal tender (like El Salvador). I wonder who will be next?
 
Anti-Woke Central Bank Nemesis Javier Milei Wins Argentina's Presidential Election | ZeroHedge




Javier Milei, the outsider libertarian candidate with radical solutions to Argentina’s economic crisis, has just won Sunday’s presidential runoff against Economy Minister Sergio Massa.

In a surprise outcome, Massa conceded in a speech to supporters in Buenos Aires on Sunday even before the official results were released, saying he called Milei to congratulate him on his victory.

Javier Milei, a 53-year-old far-right economist and former television pundit with no governing experience, claimed nearly 56 percent of the vote, with more than 80 percent of votes tallied. It was a stunning upset over Sergio Massa, the center-left economy minister who has struggled to resolve the country’s worst economic crisis in two decades.


Voters in this nation of 46 million demanded a drastic change from a government that has sent the peso tumbling, inflation skyrocketing and more than 40 percent of the population into poverty. And with Milei, Argentina takes a leap into the unknown — with a leader promising to shatter the entire system, which the locals now correctly realize, is broken.

Milei, who two months ago was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, has promised to fix Argentina’s perennial economic problems by making drastic budget cuts, replacing the battered peso with the US dollar and shutting down the central bank. He will take office on Dec. 10.

Ep. 24 Argentina’s next president could be Javier Milei. Who is he? We traveled to Buenos Aires to speak with him and find out. pic.twitter.com/4WwTZYoWHs

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) September 14, 2023
Massa, from the ruling Peronist coalition, placed first in October’s first round, a remarkable comeback after losing a primary election two months previously. But the dire state of Argentina’s economy, plagued by 143% hyperinflation and a looming recession, posed a challenge too far to his presidential bid.

“Argentines chose another path,” Massa said in a speech to supporters. Polls before the vote showed Milei with a slight edge over his rival.

For those unfamiliar with Milei's unique style, the following clip should be rather informative:

THE JAVIER MILEI MUSICAL IS GONNA BE WAY MORE FIRE THAN EVITA. pic.twitter.com/OHxQwBhXVW

— INVESTMENT HULK (@INVESTMENTSHULK) August 18, 2023
Commenting on Milei's victory, Elon Musk predicted that "Prosperity is ahead for Argentina."

Prosperity is ahead for Argentina

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2023
A Milei presidency will have profound implications for not only the third-largest economy in Latin America, but also the region and the world. In a continent dominated by leftist leaders, Milei could create tensions with governments he has attacked, including crucial trading partner and neighbor Brazil. In an era of growing Chinese influence in Latin America, Milei could become the region’s most vocal antagonist to a country he once called “an assassin.”

Milei made a name for himself as a television pundit who insulted other guests, and has shown a tendency to fight with the news media. In presidential debates, he has cast doubt on the widely accepted tally of murders during the country’s Dirty War from 1976 to 1983.

He has branded Argentine Pope Francis an "evil" leftist, called climate change a "socialist lie" and said he would hold a referendum to undo the three-year-old law that legalized abortion.

Wielding chain saws on the campaign trail, the wild-haired Milei vowed to slash public spending in a country heavily dependent on government subsidies. He pledged to dollarize the economy, shut down the central bank and cut the number of government ministries from 18 to eight. His rallying campaign cry was a takedown of the country’s political “caste” — an Argentine version of Trump’s “drain the swamp.”

Massa was emblematic of that ruling elite — “the king of the caste,” said political analyst Pablo Touzón. The career politician attempted to distance himself from the leftist government of Alberto Fernández and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the heirs to the populist dynasty first launched by Juan and Eva “Evita” Peron in the 1940s. Along with a grassroots campaign of activists, Massa sought to stoke fear over a Milei presidency they argued could threaten Argentina’s democracy and way of life.

But ultimately, anger won over fear. For many Argentines, the bigger risk was more of the same.

“We don’t have anything to lose,” Tomás Limodio, a 36-year-old business owner who voted for Milei in Buenos Aires on Sunday. “We’ve had this type of government for so many years, and things are only getting worse.”

* * *

Earlier:

Argentinians return to the polls on Sunday, November 19 to elect the next president in a consequential runoff election. Voters will choose between incumbent Finance Minister Sergio Massa and right-wing libertarian Javier Milei. The election results will shape Argentina’s social and macroeconomic outlook in coming years.

As Goldman writes in its election preview note, polls point to a tightly contested race, with a majority showing Milei having a slight edge in voter preferences. A significant fraction (around one third of polls), however, suggests that Massa is in the lead. In general, polls in Argentina have a poor track record and in this electoral process they have systematically failed to capture shifts in voters’ sentiment. To add to the uncertainty, Massa was seen as outperforming Milei in the final presidential debate last week.



In the August primary elections (PASO), Javier Milei’s La Libertad Avanza party surprised by taking the lead, followed by the center-right coalition Juntos por el Cambio whose presidential ticket would be led by Patricia Bullrich. Massa’s left-leaning Peronist coalition, Unión por la Patria, finished third. In the October first round election, in turn, Massa topped most expectations with an improved performance and finished first. Milei came in second place without a significant change in support, and Bullrich disappointed and finished a distant third.



After the first-round election, part of the Juntos por el Cambio coalition, the faction led by Ms. Bullrich and former President Mauricio Macri, announced their support for Mr. Milei. While the bloc represented by the Radical Party decided not to formally endorse any of the candidates, some members have publicly sided with Mr. Massa.

Following Sunday´s results, investors will turn their attention to economic policy announcements. In the short term, the highly managed exchange rate will be a critical variable to follow. After the August primary elections, the government weakened the exchange rate by about 22% to 350 ARS per Dollar. Subsequently, the exchange rate was kept frozen at this level until this week, when a crawl resumed (1.0% so far this week). Nevertheless, pass-through was high and inflation accelerated considerably after the post-PASO devaluation and as a result, the real exchange rate is now even more overvalued than before the August devaluation.



Parallel exchange rates, for their part, continue to trade at a significant spread over the official rate (162% for the informal market exchange rate and around 145% for the bond (MEP) and equity (CCL) implied rates) and the futures market anticipates a meaningful depreciation in the months ahead. Pressures in both markets, however, eased after the first-round election showed Massa first, having increased significantly following Milei’s outperformance in the August PASO.



Likewise important, in the coming months there are significant payments scheduled to the IMF (around US$0.9bn in December and US$1.9bn in January) and foreign currency bond holders (approximately US$1.5bn due in interest payments in January). In the meantime, the EFF program with the IMF remains off track, and in our view its realignment will take time.



Regardless of the election winner, Goldman writes that a swift change in economic policies is imperative. The accumulated imbalances in the economy have grown too large and must be addressed promptly. The bank expects the economy to contract for the second year in a row in 2024, annual inflation is tracking at close to 150% and is expected to continue to rise in the coming months, the exchange rate is overvalued, international reserves are at critical levels, net reserves are significantly negative (around -US11bn), the fiscal imbalance persists, sovereign bonds trade at distressed levels, and the government lacks access to international financial markets. All in, if policymakers do not steer macro policy in a more orthodox direction, the macro adjustment could impose itself sooner or later, bringing a loss of control of the process and even higher social and economic costs.



Argentina will be the next nation to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Milei stated if elected he will ditch the Argentine Peso for the US dollar and make Bitcoin legal tender (like El Salvador). I wonder who will be next?
Bitcoin isn’t useable as legal tender to any meaningful degree. It’s too unstable and transactions are too slow. It’s one thing to declare it legal tender. It’s another thing to buy gas or groceries with it.
 
Lol let's hold up a far right figure who supports organ trade for bodily autonomy (but opposes abortion) and thinks dismantling their entire national government is the solution to their problems as some sort of example of the sanity and stability of Bitcoin? Like really this is the guy you think gives it credibility?

Winning a popularity contest by promising a bunch of bull**** to desperate people only works the first time around. Let's see him actually succeed and gw re-elected because his spirit twin Bolsonaro sure didn't. Also how is el Salvador doing with Bitcoin these days? Has it broken past a single digit % of transactions yet?
 
Argentina will be the next nation to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Milei stated if elected he will ditch the Argentine Peso for the US dollar and make Bitcoin legal tender (like El Salvador). I wonder who will be next?
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It's absolutely fascinating to me that you can be simultaneously so good at riding the pumps and dumps of cryptocurrency, that you're able to extract money from the process (and good for you for being able to!) and yet you actually seem to think it really has a future as a currency or replacement for fiat government currencies. Despite all of the obvious evidence to the contrary.

Still pointing at El Salvador as some kind of success story? I thought everyone had quietly admitted that was a political stunt and catastrophe.

And now this Argentinian lunatic is going to be the next standard-bearer for it?


The ETFs might be the last pump before the final dump. I'm curious what you think will fuel a cycle after that. After the ETFs run up and crash, where will the next round of dumb money come from?
 
I’m quite sure I’ve mentioned in this thread, I don’t think fiat is disappearing. But I believe alternative protomonies in the form of blockchain based digital currencies is here to stay. No government Can stop it.
 
Lol let's hold up a far right figure who supports organ trade for bodily autonomy (but opposes abortion) and thinks dismantling their entire national government is the solution to their problems as some sort of example of the sanity and stability of Bitcoin? Like really this is the guy you think gives it credibility?

Winning a popularity contest by promising a bunch of bull**** to desperate people only works the first time around. Let's see him actually succeed and gw re-elected because his spirit twin Bolsonaro sure didn't. Also how is el Salvador doing with Bitcoin these days? Has it broken past a single digit % of transactions yet?
What you don't think this guy is going to lead Argentina to prosperity with the power of Bitcoin?

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LOf'nL

Whoa, this is going to be fun to watch
 
CZ was extorted for 4 Billion and complied. Not saying he’s innocent, but if your told pay 4 Billion or face criminal charges, I have my questions. Getting Binance out the picture tells me that the US Gov now feels that they have enough control in their minds to approve a Bitcoin (and other) ETF and the wall at bankers Can Can run amok and sell crypto products to their customers. For better or worse, more adoption is coming.
 
Now that Kraken and Binance were targeted, is Coinbase the only "safe" exchange left in the US?
 
CZ was extorted for 4 Billion and complied. Not saying he’s innocent, but if your told pay 4 Billion or face criminal charges, I have my questions. Getting Binance out the picture tells me that the US Gov now feels that they have enough control in their minds to approve a Bitcoin (and other) ETF and the wall at bankers Can Can run amok and sell crypto products to their customers. For better or worse, more adoption is coming.


CZ has good lawyers. While $4B is a lot of money, he’s still a very rich man and he got no jail time. Jimmy Zhong paid $3B and got a year in jail.



“Today Binance settled with FinCEN and OFAC for violations of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) and apparent violations of multiple sanctions programs. The violations include failure to implement programs to prevent and report suspicious transactions with terrorists — including Hamas’ Al-Qassam Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Al Qaeda, and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) — ransomware attackers, money launderers, and other criminals, as well as matching trades between U.S. users and those in sanctioned jurisdictions like Iran, North Korea, Syria, and the Crimea region of Ukraine. By failing to comply with AML and sanctions obligations, Binance enabled a range of illicit actors to transact freely on the platform. Today’s settlements are part of a global agreement simultaneous with Binance’s resolution of related matters with the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC).

“Binance turned a blind eye to its legal obligations in the pursuit of profit. Its willful failures allowed money to flow to terrorists, cybercriminals, and child abusers through its platform,” said Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen. “Today’s historic penalties and monitorship to ensure compliance with U.S. law and regulations mark a milestone for the virtual currency industry. Any institution, wherever located, that wants to reap the benefits of the U.S. financial system must also play by the rules that keep us all safe from terrorists, foreign adversaries, and crime, or face the consequences.”


 
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“Binance turned a blind eye to its legal obligations in the pursuit of profit. Its willful failures allowed money to flow to terrorists, cybercriminals, and child abusers through its platform,” said Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen.
Crypto, working as intended.
 
But we are all finding out it does not work as intended. It may require a lot of effort and sleuthing but the transactions are mostly traceable. Cash is king.
So what’s portrayed as liberation from government currency manipulation is actually a fascist’s dream currency.
 
Now that Kraken and Binance were targeted, is Coinbase the only "safe" exchange left in the US?

Don’t know about *only* safe exchange but…

Blackrock and others listed Coinbase as “custodian” in their ETF filings…

So with that kind of spotlight, I’d say it’s pretty darn safe.
 
But we are all finding out it does not work as intended. It may require a lot of effort and sleuthing but the transactions are mostly traceable. Cash is king.
I didn't say it was good at that purpose 😉, just that fraud and criminal activity are the primary applications of the tech in use.

Apart from speculating, of course. (Which itself is driven mostly by fraud and manipulation of pump/dump cycles).

The blockchain makes bitcoin very much not anonymous. However, plenty of successful fraud and criminal use has been enabled by complicit exchanges in which the stuff gets mixed and anonymized (if you trust the exchange to keep your secrets).

I'd be cool with the government crushing cryptocurrency. As I've mentioned before, I'm the second-most rabid libertarian on the forum here and 10 years ago I had some hopeful optimism and interest in the possibilities that anonymous and decentralized currency might bring. But in the end, crypto has been a disaster of an abomination, and every day it gets further away from delivering any of the theoretical benefits (free exchange, store of value).

So long as the fanboys keep extracting some real (spendable fiat currency) wealth from the thing, they'll stay fanboys and give lip service to some vague future utopian digital market or refuge from the coming global financial apocalypse, but it'd be nice if they'd at least acknowledge what terrible and destructive things bitcoin and its imitators have actually been.
 
CZ was extorted for 4 Billion and complied. Not saying he’s innocent, but if your told pay 4 Billion or face criminal charges, I have my questions. Getting Binance out the picture tells me that the US Gov now feels that they have enough control in their minds to approve a Bitcoin (and other) ETF and the wall at bankers Can Can run amok and sell crypto products to their customers. For better or worse, more adoption is coming.
Do you own any coinbase stock? Me thinks this overzealous SEC enforcement over crypto exchanges is helping Coinbase solidify their position as the premier U.S-based exchange/custodian of crypto assets.
 
Where do you guys find out about these?

Do you own any coinbase stock? Me thinks this overzealous SEC enforcement over crypto exchanges is helping Coinbase solidify their position as the premier U.S-based exchange/custodian of crypto assets.


This guy is the Pied Piper of retail crypto. He feels the same as you do. I don't agree with all his takes, but his influence is undeniable.
His top 5 crypto plays: BTC/SOL/COIN/BONK/PRIME
 


This guy is the Pied Piper of retail crypto. He feels the same as you do. I don't agree with all his takes, but his influence is undeniable.
His top 5 crypto plays: BTC/SOL/COIN/BONK/PRIME


Man people listen to these dudes for over an hour and put their hard earned money into what they shill? I didn't make it past 2min, got bored.
 
Man people listen to these dudes for over an hour and put their hard earned money into what they shill? I didn't make it past 2min, got bored.
It’s a shame when clowns aren’t even entertaining.
 
Do you own any coinbase stock? Me thinks this overzealous SEC enforcement over crypto exchanges is helping Coinbase solidify their position as the premier U.S-based exchange/custodian of crypto assets.

I think BlackRock is choosing coinbase to be the exchange of choice for the smart money (funds, money managers, etc). Like micro strategy, $Coin stock Can be looked as an indirect BTC ETC because of their BTC holdings
 
Man people listen to these dudes for over an hour and put their hard earned money into what they shill? I didn't make it past 2min, got bored.
If you're not in the space I can totally understand how this would be boring and probably off-putting.
Crypto is all about financialized narratives and the market moves entirely on attention, memes, and things that are anathema to a fundamental investor.
 
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