Best path forward to improve chances?

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Good afternoon all! I have one post in the past where I somewhat introduce myself, but I'll touch on it here for simple context. I looked around a bit, and this seemed within the norms to make a post like this, but if I'm wrong, please let me know or delete it. I apologize in advance for the lengthy post, but it felt necessary to add as much information as possible if I'm looking for targeted feedback.

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I originally graduated college with a BS in Biology, minor in Spanish back in 2012. I served in the army for 4 years as an officer, exiting in November of 2016. It did not seem feasible at the time to try to pursue medical school (kids much younger, sole income provider with no obvious career path, no apparent path forward). Since then, I used part of my GI Bill to get an MBA which helped me secure and advance my career in revenue management, though it is never something I've wanted to do. I thought I could shove those dreams down deep and hope they die, but they just never did. My wife knows it. I know it. My wife thinks I should go for it. I think I should, too. The rough timeline I've laid out for myself now, at 34 years old turning 35 later this year, is to target taking the MCAT around Q4 2025 or Q1 2026 to be able to apply Q2 of 2026 a 2027 matriculation. Dates are flexible insomuch as if I should target a later date to maximize the chances of getting in, then I will do that instead. Though, at present, I can't see any reason why I wouldn't just try for 2027 and apply again after as necessary.

So, here's my current issues as I see them. My undergrad cGPA was 3.662. My sGPA is 3.47, unless you don't count an HONR class I used to finish my biology degree that I received a C in because I didn't get my self-study literature review published. I have no research hours. Without that, it's 3.54. I finished my MBA at Georgia Tech in 2020, which I did as an evening program student. I know business courses don't get much weight here, and I don't blame that at all. But for what it's worth, I did get a 4.0 the whole time, so having a full-time job and finishing 51 credit hours in two years I'm hoping could get some credit for being more recent examples of scholarly efforts. I have technically met all the prereqs for most schools except for probably Biochemistry where it's required and anywhere that has Anatomy and Physiology specifically (I do have human physiology and lab, if that matters). Other relevant factors are that I'm currently rated 60% by the VA, so I should qualify for VR&E just fine. My only concern would be needing any retroactive induction of VR&E to my GI Bill or having to explain a serious employment handicap, I feel like I could, and I won't go into why here specifically, but those are known unknowns for this process.

That being said, I'm trying to figure out how best to spend my time. Caveats are that I will have to work full-time if and until I am able to matriculate somewhere. I can back off of work at that point, as the GI Bill stipend or VR&E stipend should offset sufficiently. Otherwise, I can see nothing but benefit for trying to maximize savings prior to attending, therefore not quitting my job early.

Here's the options as I see them:

1) Try to take 12-16 credit hours next year (2025) to assist in preparing for MCAT prep as well as getting Biochemistry. I don't see myself getting research hours, so I'd focus primarily on getting further volunteer hours, non-clinical and clinical, and shadowing hours.

2) Take 4-8 credit hours just to get Biochemistry and maybe Anatomy & Physiology to show capability but focus primarily on getting volunteer hours.

3) Take no additional courses. Focus primarily on shadowing and volunteer hours.

Regardless of taking additional courses or not, I plan to spend the next few months just going through self-study courses for basic level biology and chemistry courses, anyway, just to refresh the information I would need to start studying for other courses I may or may not take.

Anyway, I'll take all advice here. I'm open to any questions anyone might feel adds useful information. I appreciate anyone who took the time to read this novel I've written. I just want to prioritize my time as best as possible and not spend time on aspects of my application that may not boost my chances as well as other choices given the limited time life affords prior to my target application cycle.


TL;DR = 34 y/o Looking to apply in 2027. 375 cGPA with MBA courses included, 3.66 just counting undergrad. 3.47 sGPA. Biochemistry is probable only prereq unsatisfied, but all prereqs are over 12 years old. Should I focus on volunteer hours next year and MCAT prep? Or should I focus on retaking some prereqs to improve application chances?
 
I'd go with option 1. 12 years post grad you need a refresh to being a STEM student; no offense but everyone knows MBA classes are largely fluff.

Extending your timeline to 2 years if necessary isn't the end of the world but start 1 3-6 hour weekly volunteer commitment now. That's 150-300 hours in a year's time. You only need 50-100 hours of shadowing including some time with a PCP.
 
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I'd go with option 1. 12 years post grad you need a refresh to being a STEM student; no offense but everyone knows MBA classes are largely fluff.

Extending your timeline to 2 years if necessary isn't the end of the world but start 1 3-6 hour volunteer commitment now. That's 150-300 hours in a year's time. You only need 50-100 hours of shadowing including some time with a PCP.

I appreciate this input. As far as option 1 there, what would you think would be more valuable? Should I take some of the intro and mid-level classes again with biochemistry? Or should I just focus on taking some other upper-level classes (and biochem).

I thought about retaking ochem, too, because I figured that could probably benefit the most from a full coverage of that material, but I don't really want to retake the course if it's not going to do anything application-wise. I got in A in OChem 1 and a B in Ochem 2 the first time I took them.

Again, thanks for the input. Option 1 is what I was leaning towards to start, but I just wanted to make sure I was considering every angle before getting set on the path. And MBA classes are largely fluff. Confirmed. The quantitative and analytics type classes I had were the only ones that were any kind of strenuous.
 
I would take biochem and upper level bio electives. Retaking Orgo is a waste of time, it's completely useless in med school and the stuff on the MCAT you can 100% self-study as it's mainly Orgo 1 content.

Take stuff like Cell Bio, A&P, any advanced physio/pathophysio classes, etc.
 
Hi, I applaud you for the dedication you have for pivoting to become a physician. I am not part of the military but have multiple friends who are and I switched from another health field to medicine. Would a post-bacc program (1 yr full time usually) be possible and needed? I thought most schools don't think accept science courses older than 10 years. (confirm with admissions website/email) My special ops friend studied hard and got into great med schools without needing MCAT due to post-bacc waiving MCAT. Retaking various science courses would take over 1 year.

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This is also true which I forgot about. Make a prelim school list and see if they'll accept 12 yo prereqs. If not you gotta redo it all unfortunately.
 
Hi, I applaud you for the dedication you have for pivoting to become a physician. I am not part of the military but have multiple friends who are and I switched from another health field to medicine. Would a post-bacc program (1 yr full time usually) be possible and needed? I thought most schools don't think accept science courses older than 10 years. (confirm with admissions website/email) My special ops friend studied hard and got into great med schools without needing MCAT due to post-bacc waiving MCAT. Retaking various science courses would take over 1 year.

Med student, Med school admission service: t20 Adcom Member and medical student
Hey, I appreciate the response! I'll feel a lot better about that "dedication" once I'm further along the way to making it happen lol

I don't think a post-bacc program will be in the cards for me exactly. My existing planning is going to work around trying to figure out how to get classes in the evening, which are possible as I live near a major city with a large university that has classes for biology and chemistry subjects all day and nights with 15 minutes of my workplace (so I could just leave work a little early and head over for class and head home after). However, I can't stop working to do this. My wife would need a lot more time to scale up her employment to be able to match the loss of income. That's already part of the plan going forward since I would inevitably quit, but being financially ready we've budgeted and targeted 2027 for that reason.

I was hoping to be able to utilize their campus to take at least 1 or 2 in-person classes throughout the week and maybe one or two additional online or hybrid courses that would allow me the ability to navigate that. I plan on using the weekends to get some of those hours, maybe to get some shadowing hours as possible.


I am going to email a couple admissions just to follow-up on what you said. I should at least ask, right?
 
I would take biochem and upper level bio electives. Retaking Orgo is a waste of time, it's completely useless in med school and the stuff on the MCAT you can 100% self-study as it's mainly Orgo 1 content.

Take stuff like Cell Bio, A&P, any advanced physio/pathophysio classes, etc.
Thanks for the insight. I did better in Orgo 1, anyway 😛.

As for things like cell bio, would it matter that I'd be retaking it? I got an A in it the first time around, so I won't be improving a grade or anything. I imagine there's other classes similar, though, that I could likely take for it. A&P is definitely going to be the class of choice for me. I never took A&P, just mammalian physiology. So, I'll be looking around that level for those classes.
 
I wouldn't retake anything you've already taken unless you feel like you need it as a base to take another class. Just find stuff that's relevant like that.
 
This is also true which I forgot about. Make a prelim school list and see if they'll accept 12 yo prereqs. If not you gotta redo it all unfortunately.
From both of your suggestions, I've taken the list I'd already created and sent out emails to all of the admissions contact emails to ask specifically these questions with more detailed specifics to them. I think that's going to heavily inform my plan going forward. If they say I've got to have something retaken, then that is a final answer to that question, for sure.
 
As an update, since it could be useful for anyone else, too...I received word back from one school already that the guidance on expiration is "as long as the courses appear on your transcript(s), they will be accepted." They did caution that a strong foundation in all relevant subjects is expected, so showing preparation for that is highly recommended.

This at least assuages any concerns that I would need to retake any intro level courses and can focus on meaningful upper-level courses.

EDIT: Just adding that another school responded with the same. So, unless any of the other schools get back to me to say differently, I'm going to say that it's likely most feel similarly unless explicitly stated in their entrance requirements otherwise. At least at this point in history.
 
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