Best President in terms of salaries for Physicians?

[NancyPansy]

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Who is the best president in terms of healthcare professionals will benefit the most from? I dont' care about other social/economic policies they might have; I'm focusing about which president is best for us?

LOL Come on man, would you really vote for a complete lunatic if he were going to give you a raise? I mean I doubt any of the candidates (except maybe Bernie) will do much to lower salaries for doctors.

Look, if you put in the effort and study for decades you should be able to make more money but also we need to keep in mind that not everybody has the chance to get an advanced degree. You could be a very smart person but if you need to financially support your parents and/or siblings (as happened to my dad) you're not going to be able to get a medical degree or even go into some Ph.D program where you will need somebody else to financially support you while you stay put for 6+ years. So if you've become a physician you should be feel proud of yourself because it IS hard work but do realize it's also a privilege that not everybody has (regardless of intellect).

Anyhow, vote for Kasich. I'm sure he'll be great for docs -- and isn't crazy, which is always a plus 😉

doctors unfortunately will be put in the position that what's best for us personally might not be best for the country.

True. Personally it would feel awesome to make 250k and pay no taxes at all, but would it be fair to people working hard to make 25k? No.

 

[supermario21]

Went to see Kasich on Monday at a town hall, yes, he still does those. Wish all of the candidates did those instead of their same stump speech 1000x over. He comes across really likable and not arrogant, even though he's had a reputation for that in the past. I'm more right-wing than he is certainly but he is sort of the candidate that the country could use, seems to truly be committed to being a unifying figure. He's cut taxes and been described as a champion by the state medical association here. He expanded Medicaid, which I am sort of ambivalent about, but he cut taxes and I believe has eliminated most taxes for small businesses (at least on the first $250K), so that would be a nice perk for someone in private practice. I'd probably vote for any Republican honestly but I hope Kasich finds a way to get the nomination at a brokered convention.

 

[Pacna]

Why, oh why, does the next generation think socialism is cool? Not looking forward to treating marasmus in the US.

 

[deleted731525]

Why, oh why, does the next generation think socialism is cool? Not looking forward to treating marasmus in the US.

A lot of younger people feel like the American dream isn't available for them anymore. Whether that is just perception or reality that is what is driving the move towards more socialist policies.

 

[Pacna]

A lot of younger people feel like the American dream isn't available for them anymore. Whether that is just perception or reality that is what is driving the move towards more socialist policies.

Don't recall who said it, but I thought it was clever: It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

 

[deleted731525]

Don't recall who said it, but I thought it was clever: It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

That would be the legendary George Carlin

 

[DubVille]

A lot of younger people feel like the American dream isn't available for them anymore. Whether that is just perception or reality that is what is driving the move towards more socialist policies.

Agree. That plus many are strongly influenced by academic environment, professors are just about the most liberal profession http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profes . Plus many are told they are smarter than the general public, but also lack exposure to the "real world." Additionally, many of the "freebies" offered benefit them more than the working public. Some will change, others will hold on. FWIW If it comes down to Trump vs Hillary on both accounts I will probably vote for the latter. She is a career politician that will act the part and I Doubt things change too much since Congress can moderate things. Trump + foreign relations/diplomacy = scary, there is no congress to block his mouth.

 

[deleted731525]

Agree. That plus many are strongly influenced by academic environment, professors are just about the most liberal profession http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profes . Plus many are told they are smarter than the general public, but also lack exposure to the "real world." Additionally, many of the "freebies" offered benefit them more than the working public. Some will change, others will hold on. FWIW If it comes down to Trump vs Hillary on both accounts I will probably vote for the latter. She is a career politician that will act the part and I Doubt things change too much since Congress can moderate things. Trump + foreign relations/diplomacy = scary, there is no congress to block his mouth.

Hillary is definitely the best choice for anyone who wants to maintain what we currently have. The problem is there are a lot of people who dont like the status quo and will vote for anybody, even someone like Trump to shake things up.

 

[atomi]

A lot of younger people feel like the American dream isn't available for them anymore. Whether that is just perception or reality that is what is driving the move towards more socialist policies.

No. They are just impatient and don't want to work for it. They want high standard of living and luxury immediately after (free) college. They want to start with 8 weeks of vacation followed by a promotion to management and a corner office after one year on the job. For those that don't want to complete the (free) college, they want a $16/hour minimum wage for unskilled labor. Handout generation. What do kids get under their pillow for their teeth now? A new xbox?

 

[Stagg737]

No. They are just impatient and don't want to work for it. They want high standard of living and luxury immediately after (free) college. They want to start with 8 weeks of vacation followed by a promotion to management and a corner office after one year on the job. For those that don't want to complete the (free) college, they want a $16/hour minimum wage for unskilled labor. Handout generation. What do kids get under their pillow for their teeth now? A new xbox?

I think there are a fair share of those people, but there's an even larger number of them that just want to be able to get a non-minimum-wage job after paying for 4 years of college. Or even to be able to get a job in their field instead of having to work retail or fast-food. Heck, after I got my master's degree the market was so oversaturated with overqualified job candidates that I couldn't even get a lab assistant job at minimum wage because PhD's were getting hired! The best paying job I found was actually as a delivery driver, and ironically 4 out of the 6 drivers I worked with all had college degrees in legitimate fields of study. Most of them just want a job that pays a reasonable wage (aka more than 20-25k/year) in a field that they got a degree in, which may not be realistic in many cases, but I do think it's a reasonable desire.

 

[DetectiveAlonzo]

**** socialism!

Gimme 400K a year and I'm good bruh. We eatin' fammmmm.

 

[Ioannes Paulus]

I think, personally, this is really win-win for physicians.
If either Bernie or Hillary wins, they will extend rights to illegal immigrants and they will be eligible for medicare and/or other insurance. This will cause more patients to be seen, etc, trickling down to a physician's pocket. (Some of my friends argue that only Texas and CA will see this)
If Trump wins, insurance will be privatized and more openly tradedwhich could end up increasing physician saleries because of increased competition.

 

[Brahnold Bloodaxe]

I think, personally, this is really win-win for physicians.
If either Bernie or Hillary wins, they will extend rights to illegal immigrants and they will be eligible for medicare and/or other insurance. This will cause more patients to be seen, etc, trickling down to a physician's pocket. (Some of my friends argue that only Texas and CA will see this)
If Trump wins, insurance will be privatized and more openly tradedwhich could end up increasing physician saleries because of increased competition.

Ah yes, the magic money spigot will open wide and shower us with banknotes of divers value. We will all be rich. Rich rich rich! Long gone will be the days of boundless surplus treasure just sitting there waiting to be spent, but only if we bring in multitudes of ye poor, ye hungry, ye huddled masses yearning to breathe free government benefits.

 

[username456789]

If either Bernie or Hillary wins, they will extend rights to illegal immigrants and they will be eligible for medicare and/or other insurance. This will cause more patients to be seen, etc, trickling down to a physician's pocket. (Some of my friends argue that only Texas and CA will see this).

I'm assuming this is a blatant troll post, but if not, this is some of the most misguided and hilariously dangerous thinking I've seen on here in a while.

I very much hope you're joking. But I worry that there probably are people out there who actually believe what you just said. Which is pretty worrisome.

As an aside, many physicians lose money on Medicaid patients ( and lose or break even with Medicare patients). If you want to have to pay to see your patients, then your plan sounds wonderful.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

I'm assuming this is a blatant troll post, but if not, this is some of the most misguided and hilariously dangerous thinking I've seen on here in a while.

I very much hope you're joking. But I worry that there probably are people out there who actually believe what you just said. Which is pretty worrisome.

As an aside, many physicians lose money on Medicaid patients ( and lose or break even with Medicare patients). If you want to have to pay to see your patients, then your plan sounds wonderful.

Don't think its a troll. Its a common misconception that it will increase pts and increase money. I think they are coming from a good place but have been misguided on that fact. The argument for Bernie and Hillary is a moral one not a doctors make more money one.

 

[FiveOClock]

I think, personally, this is really win-win for physicians.
If either Bernie or Hillary wins, they will extend rights to illegal immigrants and they will be eligible for medicare and/or other insurance. This will cause more patients to be seen, etc, trickling down to a physician's pocket. (Some of my friends argue that only Texas and CA will see this)
If Trump wins, insurance will be privatized and more openly tradedwhich could end up increasing physician saleries because of increased competition.

LOL. Those patients are already covered by Medicaid typically. Make sure to crack open FA before step 1, I determine that you are at risk of failing. You are also at risk of failing your unicorn boards if you think that any politician will accommodate "trickle-down" into a physicians pocket.

 

[FiveOClock]

That's not a reasonable desire actually. Don't get useless degrees, and plan ahead for the job/career that you want. They're just lazy and trash upper middle class and the rich for the hard work they put in. I don't want to share my money with the kid who got a philosophy or marketing degree and cannot find a good job because they didn't have the understanding that those degrees don't automatically lead to awesome careers.

There are WAYYYY too many people going to college. This idea of universal college that people are pitching right now is pure insanity. We have a gross over-education problem in this country and its because student loans exist. No student loans from the government --> no over saturation problems. And people can drive trucks with a high school degree, which is what they should be doing anyway.

 

[Brahnold Bloodaxe]

There are WAYYYY too many people going to college. This idea of universal college that people are pitching right now is pure insanity. We have a gross over-education problem in this country and its because student loans exist. No student loans from the government --> no over saturation problems. And people can drive trucks with a high school degree, which is what they should be doing anyway.

Agreed. The idea of universal college is preposterous upon a mere 5 seconds of reflection. What's the point? So that the garbage man is forced to waste 4 years of his life and accumulate tens of thousands in educational debt for the privilege of earning his meager garbage man paycheck? There are certain jobs that require college degrees and a vast majority that don't. We already graduate far more college grads than there are college graduate caliber jobs out there for them, graduating even more helps no one aside from the education industrial complex and the banks who feed off of the student loan interest. The whole system is a parasitic abomination designed to rent-seek on all those forced to go through the motions of obtaining a degree for the sake of working jobs that should never require it.

 

[Seth Joo]

I think, personally, this is really win-win for physicians.
If either Bernie or Hillary wins, they will extend rights to illegal immigrants and they will be eligible for medicare and/or other insurance. This will cause more patients to be seen, etc, trickling down to a physician's pocket. (Some of my friends argue that only Texas and CA will see this)
If Trump wins, insurance will be privatized and more openly tradedwhich could end up increasing physician saleries because of increased competition.

I do not think any of them have a magic wand to change thing for doctors, overall when adjusted for inflation, doctor salaries have fallen. Add to that the cost of higher education just keeps increasing, so the ROI keeps decreasing. Sanders might help for those who go to state schools, since he is advocating free education for students who go to public colleges. I am thinking if Sanders becomes President and if he pushes through free public university education, most private colleges will shut down except for the elite universities, no one will want to go into debt for private school if they can go to a public college for free.

 

[deleted731525]

Agreed. The idea of universal college is preposterous upon a mere 5 seconds of reflection. What's the point? So that the garbage man is forced to waste 4 years of his life and accumulate tens of thousands in educational debt for the privilege of earning his meager garbage man paycheck? There are certain jobs that require college degrees and a vast majority that don't. We already graduate far more college grads than there are college graduate caliber jobs out there for them, graduating even more helps no one aside from the education industrial complex and the banks who feed off of the student loan interest. The whole system is a parasitic abomination designed to rent-seek on all those forced to go through the motions of obtaining a degree for the sake of working jobs that should never require it.

Then the question becomes, who determines who gets to go to college and who has to be a garbage man? I would be ok with a system like some of the European countries where people are placed into different paths based on objective evaluations of performance, like test scores. That will never happen in this country though, nepotism/"legacy admissions" and URM based admission will make it impossible.

 

[FiveOClock]

Then the question becomes, who determines who gets to go to college and who has to be a garbage man? I would be ok with a system like some of the European countries where people are placed into different paths based on objective evaluations of performance, like test scores. That will never happen in this country though, nepotism/"legacy admissions" and URM based admission will make it impossible.

Anyone can take a private loan and go to college still. But see, those loans require repayment or else they take everything you own. That prevents all the waste we see from student loans. You actually have to take responsibility for your choices. And there is an element of risk that you will not get a job. This will deter more people from seeking higher education and reduce the current overload.

 

[TBV]

Anyone can take a private loan and go to college still. But see, those loans require repayment or else they take everything you own. That prevents all the waste we see from student loans. You actually have to take responsibility for your choices. And there is an element of risk that you will not get a job. This will deter more people from seeking higher education and reduce the current overload.

Also, we stop telling kids that the only way to be successful is to go to college and the mindset will change. Far too much pushing college and not enough pushing vocational skills these days.

 

[deleted731525]

Anyone can take a private loan and go to college still. But see, those loans require repayment or else they take everything you own. That prevents all the waste we see from student loans. You actually have to take responsibility for your choices. And there is an element of risk that you will not get a job. This will deter more people from seeking higher education and reduce the current overload.

That will never happen. Wage garnishment limits are not going to change.

 

[Stagg737]

That's not a reasonable desire actually. Don't get useless degrees, and plan ahead for the job/career that you want. They're just lazy and trash upper middle class and the rich for the hard work they put in. I don't want to share my money with the kid who got a philosophy or marketing degree and cannot find a good job because they didn't have the understanding that those degrees don't automatically lead to awesome careers.

I'm not even talking about those degrees, I know multiple people that got degrees in teaching, or even the hard sciences, that ended up having to work in retail or fast food for years before finding a job. Keep in mind, these were not just bottom of the barrel applicants, these included people with master's degrees.

Someone else already addressed the issue of over-education, but I think that's a huge issue in a lot of fields, especially the soft areas like philosophy. I don't think any person looking for a job in sales needs a business degree, just like a nursing assistant, or even lower level nurses, need a bachelor's degree in nursing. Personally, I think that if college entry was more selective in general and jobs were less stringent with educational requirements and more selective based on actual skills in the field, this probably would barely be an issue.

 

[IslandStyle808]

That's not a reasonable desire actually. Don't get useless degrees, and plan ahead for the job/career that you want. They're just lazy and trash upper middle class and the rich for the hard work they put in. I don't want to share my money with the kid who got a philosophy or marketing degree and cannot find a good job because they didn't have the understanding that those degrees don't automatically lead to awesome careers.

The problem isn't people getting useless degrees the problem is over saturation in many areas of college education. You are already seeing lawyers, having useful degrees, who are not able to find jobs due to the market being flooded with lawyers. Even if you get a science PhD and finish 3 years of post-doc work you could either end up A) in university B) in industry or C) as a high school teacher/other (your shot at A and B are 50% overall and C makes up the other 50%).

You could say they chose the wrong field to enter, but does everyone need to enter fields like physics, math, engineering (people might debate this one), medicine, etc. to be considered level headed about their education? There are only so few choices with a good market to choose from.

 

[37Base]

The problem isn't people getting useless degrees the problem is over saturation in many areas of college education. You are already seeing lawyers, having useful degrees, who are not able to find jobs due to the market being flooded with lawyers.

That's the definition of a useless degree... The market is flooded and there are poor opportunities, thus the degree is hyperbolically 'useless.'

Meanwhile in Silicon Valley they cannot find enough computer science majors and average salary is $100,000+...

 

[Seth Joo]

That's the definition of a useless degree... The market is flooded and there are poor opportunities, thus the degree is hyperbolically 'useless.'

Meanwhile in Silicon Valley they cannot find enough computer science majors and average salary is $100,000+...

I doubt that, there are plenty of Computer Science graduates who struggle to find jobs, and big Silicon Valley firms also tend to outsource to foreign countries or hire H1Bs, so they solve their staffing problems quickly. College graduates are leaving school with record levels of debt but uncertain earning prospects.

This is why Sanders is so popular with college students, the idea of free college education is great for many, getting an education and leaving school without a mountain of debt is a great idea. People wonder why a 74 year old Senator from Vermont connects so well with young people, this is the reason why, going to college has become a financial liability for many young people rather than an opportunity to better their position in life.

 

[IslandStyle808]

That's the definition of a useless degree... The market is flooded and there are poor opportunities, thus the degree is hyperbolically 'useless.'

Meanwhile in Silicon Valley they cannot find enough computer science majors and average salary is $100,000+...

Going by your definition of useless, this would mean you have 10-20% of degrees that have value while the other 80-90% don't. People shouldn't be pigeonholed into so few options, when instead students shouldn't so easily be allowed to enter these degrees in general.

 

[FiveOClock]

That will never happen. Wage garnishment limits are not going to change.

Its a figure of speech. Debtors will collect is the point. The bottom line is that we need more people in vocations and less people holding worthless degrees. The number of colleges needs to come down. The number of academic institutions offering education should be lessened. No government loans or money should be supplied to obtain any degree ever regardless of whether it is useful or not. Technical school is another matter, since no one seems to want these excellent, high-paying jobs because the majority of Americans these days are lazy as hell and just want free ****.

 

[deleted731525]

Nvm too much personal info

 

[37Base]

I doubt that, there are plenty of Computer Science graduates who struggle to find jobs, and big Silicon Valley firms also tend to outsource to foreign countries or hire H1Bs, so they solve their staffing problems quickly. College graduates are leaving school with record levels of debt but uncertain earning prospects.

This is why Sanders is so popular with college students, the idea of free college education is great for many, getting an education and leaving school without a mountain of debt is a great idea. People wonder why a 74 year old Senator from Vermont connects so well with young people, this is the reason why, going to college has become a financial liability for many young people rather than an opportunity to better their position in life.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...t-escalates/ejUSbuPCjPLCMRYlRZIKoJ/story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/long-term-skills-shortage-drives-141000661.html

I'm recently out of undergrad at a CA public school, my Computer science friends are all making $75,000+ straight out of college, had multiple jobs lined up before graduation. You can 'doubt' it all you want but I speak from direct experience.

There is no doubt that if you study fine arts or communication, your job prospects are going to be much more difficult. That's exactly why the impetus should lay on the student to choose a lucrative path of study, because as you can see- great opportunities do exist and are plentiful.

 

[Stagg737]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...t-escalates/ejUSbuPCjPLCMRYlRZIKoJ/story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/long-term-skills-shortage-drives-141000661.html

I'm recently out of undergrad at a CA public school, my Computer science friends are all making $75,000+ straight out of college, had multiple jobs lined up before graduation. You can 'doubt' it all you want but I speak from direct experience.

There is no doubt that if you study fine arts or communication, your job prospects are going to be much more difficult. That's exactly why the impetus should lay on the student to choose a lucrative path of study, because as you can see- great opportunities do exist and are plentiful.

Also depends on how you define "great opportunity". I would be miserable if I had to work a job that centered solely around technology. And I sure as hell don't want to move to California, especially to work in a field I'd hate. That being said, IT isn't the only field that is financially lucrative. One of my buddies from high school started his own landscaping company and made $40k over the summer between his junior and senior year. One of my cousins is a full time carpenter and judging by his lifestyle and family I'd guess he makes around 6 figures.

The country as a whole would be a lot better off if high schools stopped teaching kids for test scores and pushing them to go to college and started teaching more vocational or life-skills to help them be more independent.

 

[WilliamofOckham]

Agree. That plus many are strongly influenced by academic environment, professors are just about the most liberal profession http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profes . Plus many are told they are smarter than the general public, but also lack exposure to the "real world." Additionally, many of the "freebies" offered benefit them more than the working public. Some will change, others will hold on. FWIW If it comes down to Trump vs Hillary on both accounts I will probably vote for the latter. She is a career politician that will act the part and I Doubt things change too much since Congress can moderate things. Trump + foreign relations/diplomacy = scary, there is no congress to block his mouth.

I don't think Trump will change all that much, to be honest. He's a New York "Republican." He's a moderate on just about every issue.

Hillary is just trash.

 

[WilliamofOckham]

Why, oh why, does the next generation think socialism is cool? Not looking forward to treating marasmus in the US.

Younger people hear about fewer work hours and strong safety nets (for now) in socialist European countries and think, "Hey... those sound pretty chill!"

 

[WilliamofOckham]

I doubt that, there are plenty of Computer Science graduates who struggle to find jobs, and big Silicon Valley firms also tend to outsource to foreign countries or hire H1Bs, so they solve their staffing problems quickly. College graduates are leaving school with record levels of debt but uncertain earning prospects.

This is why Sanders is so popular with college students, the idea of free college education is great for many, getting an education and leaving school without a mountain of debt is a great idea. People wonder why a 74 year old Senator from Vermont connects so well with young people, this is the reason why, going to college has become a financial liability for many young people rather than an opportunity to better their position in life.

If a prospective college student is smart, he or she can pretty easily get a degree at a price than can be paid by working part-time for Uber or tutoring. But, no... students want to go to their Ivies and Wesleyans. And then they wonder why they're stuck with giant bills at the end.

In both college and med school, the super-liberal students were never the smartest ones. Just my experience.

 

[FiveOClock]

If a prospective college student is smart, he or she can pretty easily get a degree at a price than can be paid by working part-time for Uber or tutoring. But, no... students want to go to their Ivies and Wesleyans. And then they wonder why they're stuck with giant bills at the end.

In both college and med school, the super-liberal students were never the smartest ones. Just my experience.

Well it is a mental disorder.

 

[Seth Joo]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...t-escalates/ejUSbuPCjPLCMRYlRZIKoJ/story.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/long-term-skills-shortage-drives-141000661.html

I'm recently out of undergrad at a CA public school, my Computer science friends are all making $75,000+ straight out of college, had multiple jobs lined up before graduation. You can 'doubt' it all you want but I speak from direct experience.

There is no doubt that if you study fine arts or communication, your job prospects are going to be much more difficult. That's exactly why the impetus should lay on the student to choose a lucrative path of study, because as you can see- great opportunities do exist and are plentiful.

Well that it is good for your friends, your friends probably went to a good program and live in a good state for Computer Science graduates, other states its a different story. Computer Science graduates do not get jobs that easily in other parts of the country where tech company are not so heavily clustered. The dot com boom that happened in the 1990s never came back and CS grads were actually getting 100k+ offers coast to coast in those days.

 

[DetectiveAlonzo]

If a prospective college student is smart, he or she can pretty easily get a degree at a price than can be paid by working part-time for Uber or tutoring. But, no... students want to go to their Ivies and Wesleyans. And then they wonder why they're stuck with giant bills at the end.

In both college and med school, the super-liberal students were never the smartest ones. Just my experience.

Community college for the win!

 

[Suit]

So in summary.... As a future doctor who doesn't want to starve, I should vote for Trump?

 

[Dr Nicholas Riviera]

So in summary.... As a future doctor who doesn't want to starve, I should vote for Trump?

Having read this discussion from page 1 to here, it would seems as such. Too bad we'll probably all end up starving in some post-apocalyptic wasteland as a result of his amazing policies. But at least you, the physician, will have some viable skills and henceforth some value to the prevailing rebel faction of your region.

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

Having read this discussion from page 1 to here, it would seems as such. Too bad we'll probably all end up starving in some post-apocalyptic wasteland as a result of his amazing policies. But at least you, the physician, will have some viable skills and henceforth some value to the prevailing rebel faction of your region.

See that's my game plan. When everything goes to crap and were reduced to little clans of people fighting over food and water, at least I can be the the doctor to whatever mob boss controls my area...I wonder what specialty would be most valuable in a post-trump dystopia?

 

[petrosgp]

See that's my game plan. When everything goes to crap and were reduced to little clans of people fighting over food and water, at least I can be the the doctor to whatever mob boss controls my area...I wonder what specialty would be most valuable in a post-trump dystopia?

My bet's on Emergency Medicine, Surgery or Ortho. The chronic patients will perish in the fires of the nuclear cleansing, but the warring factions will always need someone to remove the spears from their warriors. Alternatively, oncologists will make a killing thanks to the radioactive fallout.

 

[Dr Nicholas Riviera]

My bet's on Emergency Medicine, Surgery or Ortho. The chronic patients will perish in the fires of the nuclear cleansing, but the warring factions will always need someone to remove the spears from their warriors. Alternatively, oncologists will make a killing thanks to the radioactive fallout.

I totally agree. EM and surgery for sure. Oncologists may struggle a bit with the lack of access to equipment. I predict any salvageable devices will become property of warlords and will only be available to the privileged and those with extreme bargaining ability. So if that entails some sort of cabinet/inner circle position for the doc, that may be a cushy route to go.

I'm curious to see if homeopathic medicines become all the rage in these end days. Seeing how us skilled folk will be in short order, I predict a rise in witch doctors shelling out arnica and st. john's wort.

 

[petrosgp]

I totally agree. EM and surgery for sure. Oncologists may struggle a bit with the lack of access to equipment. I predict any salvageable devices will become property of warlords and will only be available to the privileged and those with extreme bargaining ability. So if that entails some sort of cabinet/inner circle position for the doc, that may be a cushy route to go.

I'm curious to see if homeopathic medicines become all the rage in these end days. Seeing how us skilled folk will be in short order, I predict a rise in witch doctors shelling out arnica and st. john's wort.

The point to take home: invest in chemotherapy drugs.

 

[jeffk805dent]

Having read this discussion from page 1 to here, it would seems as such. Too bad we'll probably all end up starving in some post-apocalyptic wasteland as a result of his amazing policies. But at least you, the physician, will have some viable skills and henceforth some value to the prevailing rebel faction of your region.

in this world, the physicians need to be armed considering a rival faction might kill or kidnap the physician.

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

in this world, the physicians need to be armed considering a rival faction might kill or kidnap the physician.

When you put it in that light, dealing with CMS and all their declining reimbursement BS starts to sounds like a great deal!

 

[deleted245139]

in this world, the physicians need to be armed considering a rival faction might kill or kidnap the physician.

Sounds like doctor dodge ball. Are you all too young to know what that is?

 

[Dr Nicholas Riviera]

Sounds like doctor dodge ball. Are you all too young to know what that is?

Dodgeball was the best!

 

[tantacles]

Actually it's Cruz/Rubio who want to get rid of Obamacare -- they are the loyal republicans. Which is kind of funny since Obamacare borrowed heavily from Mitt Romney's Massachusetts healthcare program -- it was a Republican idea which Republicans only hate because the Democrats adopted it. It's unclear what Trump's real views are because, best I can tell, he's kind of saying whatever comes to his mind at the moment, good or bad. What is clear is he won't be a "good republican" and cow-tow to the party line, which perhaps leaves him open to other ideas. Or he might just let Dr Oz and Dr. Dre compete on TV to be our next Surgeon General -- who knows. He's a true wildcard.

Bernie will have doctors working for peanuts. He's the absolute worst option for anyone focused on their income. You can't earn a nice doctors salary giving out free care. However Hillary as First Lady was part of the administrative effort that put insurance companies and HMOs in charge of US health care and intentionally opted to not have any physicians on their steering committee (several nurses were invited in instead). So she apparently has the view that doctors are part of the problem, and that can't be good for us. The only saving grace is that she is fine with Obamacare, so we won't expect many drastic changes.

So basically no great options left for doctors. The loyal republicans are more likely to scrap Obamacare, HRC is most likely to keep things the same. And nobody really knows WTF Trump will do, including Trump.

Let's not pretend it was ever a Republican idea. Romney tried to veto the original bill in Massachusetts.

 

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