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Agast said:
Kennedy: Cat meat is a little stringy and tough, not a good mouth feel. So no, I don’t think the migrants are actually eating cats. My aunt’s cat Gustofer died when I was 22 and I was curious.
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So that's where he got the brain worm.
 
marr65 said:
I think that Dementia Don lost the presidency when he said “ I have concepts of a plan”. LOL. All the best people working for him and 8 years to replace the ACA only to have no plan on national stage. Womp womp!
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Trump never had a plan for anything.

One of his MAGA followers asked him last month what will he do to lower housing cost. His answer was "drill baby drill"

People who are voting for Trump are not voting on policies. It's a lie if they say that. They just can't see themselves voting for democrats. For most of these people it's just cultural.
 
Splenda88 said:
Trump never had a plan for anything.

Of one his MAGA followers asked him last month what will he do to lower housing cost. His answer was "drill baby drill"
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I agree with what you’re saying. Just want to point out how funny it is to me when leftists say “trump doesn’t have a plan” (in general, not about the ACA), but then in the same breath point and clutch their pearls about “his” project 2025 plan. Lol.
 
marr65 said:
I think that Dementia Don lost the presidency when he said “ I have concepts of a plan”. LOL. All the best people working for him and 8 years to replace the ACA only to have no plan on national stage. Womp womp!
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We knew that about four months into
2017 when he had the House and Senate and their "repeal and replace" campaign promise went nowhere.

It's incredible that his cult thinks he has a plan for immigration too, after "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" went nowhere. For this go around, it's "the biggest deportation in history" sound bite his cult slobbers over, without even a thought for identifying the people, finding the people, rounding them up, transporting them (where? is Mexico going to take them all and pay for that too?), what to do with the kids who came here at age 4 and are now essentially Americans.

But hey, "policy" ...
 
pgg said:
We knew that about four months into
2017 when he had the House and Senate and their "repeal and replace" campaign promise went nowhere.

It's incredible that his cult thinks he has a plan for immigration too, after "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" went nowhere. For this go around, it's "the biggest deportation in history" sound bite his cult slobbers over, without even a thought for identifying the people, finding the people, rounding them up, transporting them (where? is Mexico going to take them all and pay for that too?), what to do with the kids who came here at age 4 and are now essentially Americans.

But hey, "policy" ...
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Again, I don't how many times I have to say that as a registered republican. These people don't care about policies that much. They won't vote for democrats. Trump is airing their grievances and that is why they are voting for him.

People like @GassmanMD @BLADEMDA @emergentmd have made it clear to you guys. It's amazing to me you guys think you will make these people change their mind.
 
GassmanMD said:
I agree with what you’re saying. Just want to point out how funny it is to me when leftists say “trump doesn’t have a plan” (in general, not about the ACA), but then in the same breath point and clutch their pearls about “his” project 2025 plan. Lol.
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Trump doesn't have a plan.

His handlers do.

Granted, sometimes handling him is about as much of a sure thing as handling a toddler at bedtime after grandpa fed him Skittles all day.

Sometimes handling him is as easy as being the one with the Skittles.

His adminstation was full of episodes where his staff led him by the nose or diverted him from especially idiotic paths. (This is one reason another Trump term would be even more dangerous than the first - fewer guardrails on his behavior, fewer sane advisors and staffers.)

Look at the one lasting success of his presidency - three SCOTUS appointments. You think he chose them? You know who gave him the names.

And you know project 2025 is real and is a threat, whatever Trump says he knows or doesn't know about it. The truth is probably that he doesn't care at all what policies are put forth during his next term, so long as he
1) dodges / postpones his many pending court dates
2) gets to act "presidential"
3) has opportunities for graft and fraud (that Trump hotel in DC has really slumped since Nov 2020!)
 
Splenda88 said:
People like @GassmanMD @BLADEMDA @emergentmd have made it clear to you guys. It's amazing to me you guys think you will make these people change their mind.
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I don't argue with them for their benefit. They're lost.

I argue with them
1) so they don't get the floor unopposed
2) because there may be undecided people reading this who may be convinced
3) I'm constitutionally incapable of just letting their cynical self-serving bull**** just slide by
 
www.yahoo.com

Democrats grow more optimistic about flipping Florida

Democrats are increasingly optimistic about their chances in Florida’s presidential and Senate races as polls show a tightening race in the state, which has dramatically trended toward the Republicans in recent election cycles. On Monday, a Morning Consult poll showed Vice President Harris...
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Republicans gotta be careful. If Harris has a majority in both chambers, she will go wild
 
Splenda88 said:
www.yahoo.com

Democrats grow more optimistic about flipping Florida

Democrats are increasingly optimistic about their chances in Florida’s presidential and Senate races as polls show a tightening race in the state, which has dramatically trended toward the Republicans in recent election cycles. On Monday, a Morning Consult poll showed Vice President Harris...
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Republicans gotta be careful. If Harris has a majority in both chambers, she will go wild
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Trump is poison downballot.

More than that, remember that he gave the senate to the Democrats in 2020 by sabotaging the Georgia Senate runoffs.
 
pgg said:
For this go around, it's "the biggest deportation in history" sound bite his cult slobbers over,

But hey, "policy" ...
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There's a lot for you to gloat about today, a smashing victory last night in many respects,
...but immigration isn't one of those winning points.

If we can past the dramatics, nobody is slobbering except the immigrants spotting another house cat for lunch. The biggest deportation in history is only the cherry on top of Joe Biden's ice cream cone.

The meat of the illegal immigration issue screams at you from the attached graph taken from that biased far right wing paper, The New York Times. Joey and Kam smashed open the border. Trump kept it closed. Blaming Republicans for not passing a political bs election year bill or saying Trump is losing the immigration issue because mass deportations won't happen is incredibly disingenuous. Trump gets a crushing decisive victory on the border. Period.

You have so much to gloat about today, for example, over 8 years to come up with "a few concepts" of a plan and a toddler meltdown because Kamala said people walk out of your rallies, there's just no need to go full ABC mode here with an unfair perspective of events.

Enjoy your beer today. Your incredibly useless candidate reduced Trump to just an old enraged grandpa screaming nonsense throughout the entire Thanksgiving dinner.
Congratulations 🍻
 

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nimbus said:
JD will step up 😂
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If one gets past the typical social and mainstream media nonsense, he makes the most sense of all four. Maybe that's just winning the Skinny Award at Fat Camp, but it's really not even close if you take a truly objective look at the other 3 palookas.
 
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pgg said:
Sometimes handling (Trump) is about as much of a sure thing as handling a toddler at bedtime after grandpa fed him Skittles all day.
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I have to give it to you, you are stepping up and matching my one liners blow for blow
🤣🤣🤣
 
pgg said:
His adminstation was full of episodes where his staff led him by the nose or diverted him from especially idiotic paths.
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That was even more true of the past four years and you were ready to support a really true stiff corpse this time around so that doesn't seem to be a genuine concern.

A related question, does anyone here have any idea who is actually running the country at present? I mean honestly, who is currently driving this boat?
 
pgg said:
I don't argue with them for their benefit. They're lost.

I argue with them
1) so they don't get the floor unopposed
2) because there may be undecided people reading this who may be convinced
3) I'm constitutionally incapable of just letting their cynical self-serving bull**** just slide by
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Right back at you 🤣
 
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We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
There's a lot for you to gloat about today,
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Oh man I really wish I could.

No one, on either side, should be gloating when their turd outshines the less-polished other turd for a moment.

The most positive emotion I feel after that debate is a twinge of relief that she didn't screw it up and hand the election to him. The whole thing is still a toss up.

The best things I can say about Harris are that she's a lot less likely to burn the world down, she's surrounded by intelligent people[1], and I'm pretty sure she hasn't raped anybody.


[1] Don't confuse well-founded contempt or disgust for Harris' "dumb" policies as her or her people being unintelligent. They are smart people. Trump of course is objectively stupid, but he HAD some smart people with him during his first term. Then he fired them or they resigned.
 
Kinda interesting too. If Harris can manipulate him that easily, what's makes people think that his advisors aren't manipulating him in office?

A simple complement, criticism could easily push him towards cancelling a trade deal, opening up a negotiation, endorsing a policy, etc.
 
Splenda88 said:
Again, I don't how many times I have to say that as a registered republican. These people don't care about policies that much. They won't vote for democrats. Trump is airing their grievances and that is why they are voting for him.

People like @GassmanMD @BLADEMDA @emergentmd have made it clear to you guys. It's amazing to me you guys think you will make these people change their mind.
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pgg said:
I don't argue with them for their benefit. They're lost.
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You guys sound like flat earthers. For any educated, reasonable person to believe that half the country is lost is extremely illogical and egotistical.

If KH beat kids and half the people voted for her, I would at least understand that there were some good reasons. Telling half the US that they are lost makes the author lost.
 
emergentmd said:
You guys sound like flat earthers. For any educated, reasonable person to believe that half the country is lost is extremely illogical and egotistical.

If KH beat kids and half the people voted for her, I would at least understand that there were some good reasons. Telling half the US that they are lost makes the author lost.
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Sir, this is a Wendy's
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
There's a lot for you to gloat about today, a smashing victory last night in many respects,
...but immigration isn't one of those winning points.

If we can past the dramatics, nobody is slobbering except the immigrants spotting another house cat for lunch. The biggest deportation in history is only the cherry on top of Joe Biden's ice cream cone.

The meat of the illegal immigration issue screams at you from the attached graph taken from that biased far right wing paper, The New York Times. Joey and Kam smashed open the border. Trump kept it closed. Blaming Republicans for not passing a political bs election year bill or saying Trump is losing the immigration issue because mass deportations won't happen is incredibly disingenuous. Trump gets a crushing decisive victory on the border. Period.

You have so much to gloat about today, for example, over 8 years to come up with "a few concepts" of a plan and a toddler meltdown because Kamala said people walk out of your rallies, there's just no need to go full ABC mode here with an unfair perspective of events.

Enjoy your beer today. Your incredibly useless candidate reduced Trump to just an old engaged grandpa screaming nonsense throughout the entire Thanksgiving dinner.
Congratulations 🍻
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Your graph shows border apprehensions. So the Biden administration is doing a much better job of catching illegal migrants.
 
emergentmd said:
You guys sound like flat earthers. For any educated, reasonable person to believe that half the country is lost is extremely illogical and egotistical.
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Half the country isn't lost.

Half the country doesn't vote.

The 1/4 of the country who vote R and the 1/4 who vote D don't do much beyond checking the box next to the candidate from the party that generally fits their worldview.

I'm specifically talking about YOU few here, who are interested enough to argue about politics in a medical forum, who are smart enough to understand the Faustian bargain you're making, and smart enough to understand what a Faustian bargain is.

You guys are lost.

Again, to be clear, I'm condemning YOUR moral character, for being an informed and intelligent person who nonetheless is selling out to the Trump Cult for the sake of a tax cut or some bit of temporary social "policy" - not 1/4 of the country, or even the guy whose house has a Trump|Vance sign out front.
 
GassmanMD said:
I agree with what you’re saying. Just want to point out how funny it is to me when leftists say “trump doesn’t have a plan” (in general, not about the ACA), but then in the same breath point and clutch their pearls about “his” project 2025 plan. Lol.
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Just so you understand, it’s not his plan. He’s a useful fool for someone else’s plan.
 
pgg said:
You guys are lost.

Again, to be clear, I'm condemning YOUR moral character, for being an informed and intelligent person who nonetheless is selling out to the Trump Cult for the sake of a tax cut or some bit of temporary social "policy" - not 1/4 of the country, or even the guy whose house has a Trump|Vance sign out front.
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Making the same mistake again.

Most republicans (50%+) DO NOT CARE about tax cut. I am sure you thought that republicans care about free trade until they don't. Republicans care about personal responsibility/morals until they don't.

IT'S FREAKING CULTURAL guys.

Changing demographic in the US is the issue for MOST republicans. Most of them are afraid to say it because they know they will be judged.

I have been living with/among these people for over 40 yrs.
 
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Splenda88 said:
Making the same mistake again.

Most republicans (50%+) DO NOT CARE about tax cut. I am sure you thought that republicans care about free trade until they don't. Republicans care about personal responsibility/morals until they don't.

IT'S FREAKING CULTURAL guys.

Changing demographic in the US is the issue for MOST republicans. Most of them are afraid to say it because they know they will be judged.

I have been living with/among these people for over 40 yrs.
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Be that as it may (or may not - my personal experience with ordinary Trump voters is quite varied), you're talking about the general electorate.

Here, I'm specifically talking about the Trump voters in this thread who have repeatedly touted "better policy" - including tax cuts - as their reason for voting for a man who they freely acknowledge is a vile human being.

I'm sure I'll be asked to get off my moral high horse or something, but that's the judgment I'm making here. They've explained their reasoning in detail and it's morally vacant.
 
pgg said:
Half the country isn't lost.

Half the country doesn't vote.

The 1/4 of the country who vote R and the 1/4 who vote D don't do much beyond checking the box next to the candidate from the party that generally fits their worldview.

I'm specifically talking about YOU few here, who are interested enough to argue about politics in a medical forum, who are smart enough to understand the Faustian bargain you're making, and smart enough to understand what a Faustian bargain is.

You guys are lost.

Again, to be clear, I'm condemning YOUR moral character, for being an informed and intelligent person who nonetheless is selling out to the Trump Cult for the sake of a tax cut or some bit of temporary social "policy" - not 1/4 of the country, or even the guy whose house has a Trump|Vance sign out front.
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I really wish you would read Leonard Peikoff's Ominous Parallels. You don't have to agree with the philosophy but it will give you insight into why some of us think the way we do. It's not a Faustian bargain for us.
 
GassmanMD said:
I really wish you would read Leonard Peikoff's Ominous Parallels. You don't have to agree with the philosophy but it will give you insight into why some of us think the way we do. It's not a Faustian bargain for us.
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I'll take a look

Though I'm skeptical. Foreword by Ayn Rand. Hoooo boy.

"Ayn Rand chose Leonard Peikoff to be her successor as the spokesman for Objectivism."

Smells like trash but I'll take a look.
 
pgg said:
Be that as it may (or may not - my personal experience with ordinary Trump voters is quite varied), you're talking about the general electorate.

Here, I'm specifically talking about the Trump voters in this thread who have repeatedly touted "better policy" - including tax cuts - as their reason for voting for a man who they freely acknowledge is a vile human being.

I'm sure I'll be asked to get off my moral high horse or something, but that's the judgment I'm making here. They've explained their reasoning in detail and it's morally vacant.
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They probably know you are democrat, hence they say that. I said in my previous post that they are afraid they will be judged.

If you happen to move to another city, pretend that you are republican and surround yourself with republicans and you will know the truth.

The poster I mentioned started talking about blah blah blah policies in that thread and when YOU (yourself) pinned them down, they made it clear in no uncertain terms that it's about cultural (Immigrations, DEI etc...). You can go back and read their posts.

I have republicans friends/family that would say crazy things about immigrants/AA to me but they would never say that to other people.
 
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pgg said:
I'll take a look

Though I'm skeptical. Foreword by Ayn Rand. Hoooo boy.

"Ayn Rand chose Leonard Peikoff to be her successor as the spokesman for Objectivism."

Smells like trash but I'll take a look.
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I am glad you have such an open mind (sarcasm). But honestly, there is a legitimate, complicated, well thought out Objectivist philosophy that logically leads one to Trump. It is not a conservative viewpoint. It is more in line with classical liberalism and Enlightenment logic, reason, science. I agree with the epistemology and metaphysics of Objectivism but I tend to agree more with Conservatives on ethics. Anyways, it's the most important book I've ever read.
 
Splenda88 said:
They probably know you are democrat,
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LOLWUT

Haven't we had this conversation before?

Last time I voted for a Democrat for president was a week after my 18th birthday in 1992.

I'm a libertarian - pro gun, pro abortion, pro defense, pro border security but in favor of immigration, atheist, pro drug legalization, pro small government, pro gay marriage, not anti police but definitely opposed to the militarized nonsense we have now, pro capitalism, anti authoritarian regimes like China/Russia.

Democrats on this board have vilified me for not favoring gun control (check out the post Sandy Hook thread, that was a doozy) while more recently the remnants of what used to be the Republican contingent here vilify me for being some kind of dirty liberal.

The fact that things have come.to a point where I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris is just amazing to me. She was AG in California when I was stationed there in the Navy and she directed the DOJ to revoke/nonrenew the firearm permits of all military servicemembers in the state. It's been more than a decade and I'm still salty about having to drive to my brother's house in Arizona to store my guns for the next 2 years until I could leave the state.

It's hilarious you think I'm a Democrat.

Splenda88 said:
If you happen to move to another city, pretend that you are republican and surround yourself with republicans and you will know the truth.
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I live in the sticks surrounded by cows and orchards.

There are more Trump signs than Harris signs. Not that there are very many of either.

I spent 25 years in the military.

I've had no shortage of exposure to Republicans.

Splenda88 said:
I have republicans friends/family they would say crazy things about immigrants/AA to me but they would never say that to other people.
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My primary hobby is shooting guns.

I have spent a lot of time around a cohort of people who are mostly white guys aged 30 - 70 who love guns and don't vote for dirty Democrats.

The difference between those guys and the Trump voters posting in this thread is that they don't believe Trump is a bad guy. They think he's a victim of fake news. They have bought the lie about the stolen election. They think the deep state exists and that Trump is fighting for them. They think all those women are lying or are paid operatives. They think COVID was a PLANdemic staged by Democrat and RINO elites to wrest more control over their lives. They don't talk to Democrats or leave their echo chamber.

They are fundamentally different from the guys here who know all those things are lies, but are going to vote for Trump anyway, because of "policy" reasons. Those guys are misinformed. The guys here are selfish, weak, and reckless.
 
Anyone notice how Kamela failed to directly address several questions? And Trump failed to call her out on it. I was surprised she used the dubunked "There's nice people on both sides" attack.
 
psycho-matic said:
Anyone notice how Kamela failed to directly address several questions? And Trump failed to call her out on it. I was surprised she used the dubunked "There's nice people on both sides" attack.
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Both of them did not answer some of these questions.

Kamala did not answer questions about immigration, flip flopping, and "if we are better off than we were 4 years ago." On the last question, I think we are much better off than we were 4 yrs ago when covid was killing people and unemployment was > 6%, but Kamala did not want to answer it because of inflation.

Trump did not answer questions about "nationwide abortion ban" and "if he wants Ukraine to win the war." etc...
 
I love how a moderator can be so judgmental while also being so ill informed. Sometimes looking in the mirror would help.

I disagree with those voting Dem, its their right and I don't judge them on a personal basis because everyone has a reason which makes this country great. If you want to vote for KH b/c you think she is hot and care about nothing else, then more power to you; its your right.

But for a military guy to be so demeaning and judgmental over how someone votes makes me thankful you are have retired. You sir, are no better than the KKK. Sometimes a little humility would be good to have.

yes, I will take my ban now 🙂
 
Splenda88 said:
Trump never had a plan for anything.

One of his MAGA followers asked him last month what will he do to lower housing cost. His answer was "drill baby drill"

People who are voting for Trump are not voting on policies. It's a lie if they say that. They just can't see themselves voting for democrats. For most of these people it's just cultural.
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I’m voting against the far left policies of Harris. Or, you don’t believe she has been far left most of her time in the Senate? Just go on you tube and see her speak about her policies when she was running for President. Both these candidates will have their “handlers” make the actual policy the same as Biden did during his term.

 
BLADEMDA said:
I’m voting against the far left policies of Harris. Or, you don’t believe she has been far left most of her time in the Senate? Just go on you tube and see her speak about her policies when she was running for President. Both these candidates will have their “handlers” make the actual policy the same as Biden did during his term.
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No need to convince me since I am not voting for her either.
 
GassmanMD said:
damn I thought you were still talking about the debate here lol
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That is why I skipped the debate just as I skip watching MSM (both sides) when it comes to politics. Its just unbiased trash. Give me news when Brokaw was alive. Facts, what happened. I don't care for commentary. If I want biased commentary, I would watch the View which i sometimes do just for kicks.

But lets not put up unbiased news like CNN then have 6 left wing libs then a token moderate right guy camouflaged as News.
 
Splenda88 said:
No need to convince me since I am not voting for her either.
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Vote for whomever you choose to. One is a narcissist 78 year old who babbles but will pander to his right wing base while the other candidate is of questionable intelligence who will pander to her left wing base. It’s that simple to me.
 
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