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Is it, though?
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Is it, though?
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It's certainly what Elon is implying in some of his recent tweets.
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What @pgg said or what Musk said?
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What exactly do you think he was doing with Epstein, a guy he publicly admired for his taste in younger girls?
I'll back up a little: do you think Trump has raped women? Not asking what you can prove in court - just asking what you know/believe.
What @pgg said.
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That's remarkable
Donald "grab em by the *****" Trump, known for walking in on Miss Teen USA dressing rooms, found liable in court for the rape of an adult woman, many documented trips with Jeffrey "I was Donald Trump's closest friend" Epstein.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Stacey Williams, Virginia Giuffre.
And you "don't know"...
C'mon, man. We all know what he is. Some people just don't mind looking the other way for "policy" reasons.
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"Early this spring, the Food and Drug Administration fired nearly 50 workers in the Office of Regulatory Policy — only to turn around and order them back to the office with one day’s notice.
After dismissing thousands of probationary employees for fabricated “performance” issues, the IRS reversed course and told them to show up to work in late May.
And some staff at the U.S. Agency for International Development, dismantled in the first days of the Trump administration by a gleeful Elon Musk and his cost-cutting team at the U.S. DOGE Service, checked their inboxes this month to find an unexpected offer: Would you consider returning — to work for the State Department?
Across the government, the Trump administration is scrambling to rehire many federal employees dismissed under DOGE’s staff-slashing initiatives after wiping out entire offices, in some cases imperiling key services such as weather forecasting and the drug approval process.
Since Musk left the White House last week, he and Trump have fallen out bitterly, sniping at each other in public over the cost of Trump’s sweeping tax legislation and government subsidies for Musk’s businesses. But even before that, the administration was working to undo some of DOGE’s highest-profile actions.
Trump officials are trying to recover not only people who were fired, but also thousands of experienced senior staffers who are opting for a voluntary exit as the administration rolls out a second resignation offer. Thousands more staff are returning in fits and starts as a conflicting patchwork of court decisions overturn some of Trump’s large-scale firings, especially his Valentine’s Day dismissal of all probationary workers, those with one or two years of government service and fewer job protections. A federal judge in April ordered the president to reinstate probationary workers dismissed from 20 federal agencies, although a few days later the Supreme Court — in a different case — halted another judge’s order to reinstate a smaller group."
No one could have predicted this.
Long term consequences are incalculable. How much more is it going to cost and retain talent in the future if another Republican administration comes in and does this again every couple years out of pique?
After dismissing thousands of probationary employees for fabricated “performance” issues, the IRS reversed course and told them to show up to work in late May.
And some staff at the U.S. Agency for International Development, dismantled in the first days of the Trump administration by a gleeful Elon Musk and his cost-cutting team at the U.S. DOGE Service, checked their inboxes this month to find an unexpected offer: Would you consider returning — to work for the State Department?
Across the government, the Trump administration is scrambling to rehire many federal employees dismissed under DOGE’s staff-slashing initiatives after wiping out entire offices, in some cases imperiling key services such as weather forecasting and the drug approval process.
Since Musk left the White House last week, he and Trump have fallen out bitterly, sniping at each other in public over the cost of Trump’s sweeping tax legislation and government subsidies for Musk’s businesses. But even before that, the administration was working to undo some of DOGE’s highest-profile actions.
Trump officials are trying to recover not only people who were fired, but also thousands of experienced senior staffers who are opting for a voluntary exit as the administration rolls out a second resignation offer. Thousands more staff are returning in fits and starts as a conflicting patchwork of court decisions overturn some of Trump’s large-scale firings, especially his Valentine’s Day dismissal of all probationary workers, those with one or two years of government service and fewer job protections. A federal judge in April ordered the president to reinstate probationary workers dismissed from 20 federal agencies, although a few days later the Supreme Court — in a different case — halted another judge’s order to reinstate a smaller group."
No one could have predicted this.
Long term consequences are incalculable. How much more is it going to cost and retain talent in the future if another Republican administration comes in and does this again every couple years out of pique?
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I think one of the worst things DOGE will be responsible for (apart from the millions of predicted deaths 2/2 US aid cuts) will be stopping direct file for the IRS.
Simple, effective tax filing service directly with the government for free for the vast majority of taxpayers, almost all of which reported being extremely satisfied with the service when it was trialed.
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Simple, effective tax filing service directly with the government for free for the vast majority of taxpayers, almost all of which reported being extremely satisfied with the service when it was trialed.
Direct File is 'beloved by its users,' internal IRS report says
The IRS is reportedly ending the Direct File, but a report obtained via the Freedom of Information Act says that 94% of users rated their experience as “excellent” or “above average.”
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Only the underage part
I think half the country predicted it and the other half ignored the likelihood of it.
It's the problem with the GOP. They make up a problem (in this case, budget fraud, waste, corruption, etc) or immigration, or DEI, etc in other cases...and then when they get into power, they have to now try and solve this made up problem and "show results "
So their strategy was DOGE..which we all knew was a farce. Imagine if DOGE came into your medical office and randomly fired half the staff, without knowing what they do, declared a savings victory and walked out...what do you think would happen?
The office would stop functioning and they would scramble to rehire everyone (which is exactly what's happening). Nevermind the lost production, morale, chaos.
If you really want to enact budget changes. It takes congressional level involvement, appropriations committee, a budget plan, spending cuts (which then allows the departments to control how to enact those savings). Not just random executive orders and haphazardly cutting.
And this is the government that we expect to negotiate these great trade deals when they can't even get their own house in order. Get real
We have a bunch of incompetent people running our government.
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Right, no evidence at all, well, except from the sworn testimony of victims -
"Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties.On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted."
OJ killed Nicole, Al Capone did more than evade taxes, and Trump raped teenage girls with his friend Epstein. I get it. Most people don't want to think about what a heinously vile person we elected president.
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Really? I mean, seriously? You think he somehow drew the line at < 18? He’s on record as admitting sexual assault is fine (you just grab em by the p****). I know the Trump defenders will all unite on this topic for reasons I’ll never understand, so let me put it to you this way. Absolutely anyone and everyone who hung out with Epstein in those years almost assuredly knew exactly what he was doing and took part in it. This goes for politicians on both sides. Trump included. Clinton included. And whoever else.
I think it’d be absolutely insane and incredibly naive to think Trump/Clinton and whatever other politician was with them somehow said to themself ‘this girl could possibly by < 18 so I’m out’ when everyone else around them in those years at the Epstein parties on his private island was partaking.
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Oh I don't doubt that Trump would have done some illegal stuff like that. I am just not personally aware of any specific allegations against him regarding underage assault.
Just the other assault that he was found liable for as well as his own personal comments, etc
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources
Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on the way back to the United States to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., sources say.
So much for the end of democracy and definite fascist dictatorship you guys were all 100% certain of a month ago. I guess we’re reappearing people now. “If it can happen to him it can happen to you! The doctors are next!”
lol
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources
Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on the way back to the United States to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., sources say.abcnews.go.com
So much for the end of democracy and definite fascist dictatorship you guys were all 100% certain of a month ago. I guess we’re reappearing people now. “If it can happen to him it can happen to you! The doctors are next!”
lol
Hyperbolizing the people who oppose fascism is a common pastime among conservatives here.
This is a positive event. An event that likely would not have happened had there not been the vigorous pushback at multiple levels (pushback you seem to be critical of).
Notice also that the Trump administration is preparing to bring charges against him once he returns. This turns the whole public rationale for imprisonment in El Salvador on it's head. The Trump administration claims they're deporting criminals, but they deported this guy without knowledge of a crime at the time.
IMO, these charges are just a way for them to save face while complying with SCOTUS' order
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Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300,000 deaths — most of them children
Elon Musk’s tenure running Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency has, according to the academic Brooke Nichols, caused thousands of ‘preventable deaths’
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I am happy that the administration is finally finding out after ****ing around for so long.Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources
Mistakenly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on the way back to the United States to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., sources say.
So much for the end of democracy and definite fascist dictatorship you guys were all 100% certain of a month ago. I guess we’re reappearing people now. “If it can happen to him it can happen to you! The doctors are next!”
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Pushback and histrionic catastrophizing are not the same thing
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I'm not trying to be a dick, but the fact that you're unaware of the allegations is amazing. It's been widely publicized for a long time.
I know there's an avalanche of misinformation and fake news out there, that they've successfully flooded the media with ****, but not knowing about this is as weird as not knowing that Trump and Epstein were friends in the first place.
DOE-V-TRUMP
It's a short read.
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I don't think there was much "histrionic catastrophizing" on here wrt his deportation, imprisonment and the administration's determined attempts to avoid returning him, but maybe you can prove me wrong.
I would describe most posts wrt these events as legitimate criticism and concern.
It was right to describe imprisoning him in El Salvador as fascistic at the time and it is right to describe it as a fascistic action today.
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In what way are you claiming that there was histrionic catastrophizing going on?
Was it that people were claiming this guy wouldn't be brought back? If so, the administration was doing everything in their power not to and almost assuredly wouldn't have returned them without court orders and/or public outcry.
Or do you think the actual initial deportation itself was catastrophized? If so, can you explain why it wasn't a concerning authoritarian violation of due process rights?
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The histrionic catastrophizing started months ago when we first started talking about the alien enemies act and how the left wrongly professed that it was going to lead to the lawful removal of US citizens. It was brought up with a lot of the MANY sht posts plastering all the deportation articles every time they hit the A block of the news cycle.
Some of yall were convinced you could be next. Some of yall are still convinced legal US citizens have been forcefully deported…
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He’s being charged for smuggling. They didn’t have knowledge of this crime at the time?
It’s a really good thing. It’s literally due process. The end result, he’ll probably be back in El Salvador.
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Here’s some relevant quotes about this:
“I just don't have your confidence that the educated won't be subsequently targeted as well.”
“People who have no personal experience with authoritarian regimes are the ones ok with this. They simply don’t know how it goes in these places. It’s like bankruptcy, slow, and then all at once.”
“But keep right on assuming everything will work out fine and that some magical process will prevent the worst from happening even as you sat there and watched them systemically be unraveled.”
On Japanese internments
“Maybe not yet in scale but we have begun to deport American citizens. And the fearmongering and othering are very similar.”
“So small things lead to slightly bigger and bigger and bigger..”
“ there will be no outcry from the right as we march toward full authoritarian takeover where citizenship only grants protections if you are the right kind of citizen”
“I don't want to live in authoritarian fascism and I would care deeply if it happened.
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But it is happening and you don't....”
“ everything is on warp speed to fascism. And McCoy is just cheering it on as he gaslights away.
I expect them to try and deport a Muslim US citizen lawyer soon.”
By no means exhaustive, but I think I’ve made the point.
By the way, I think the lack of due process was bad. It was wrong. Also on a scale of 330 million people in this country it hardly constitutes a crisis. Sometimes the government does terrible, horrible, no good, very bad things. But they don’t keep me up at night unlike my neighbors dogs. They are the real fascists.
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All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped
Their charges range from an unwanted touch from behind to aggressive, sudden kissing to fingers groping up their skirt and into their underwear. Donald Trump and his campaign insist all of the stories are fabricated and politically motivated.
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No it’s not.
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That's the point. They didn't have knowledge of this alleged crime at the time. The messaging from the White House is that he was one of the leaders of the gang. That they are focusing on deporting actual criminals. That just isn't the case wrt those deported to El Salvador. Something like 80-90% of those who have been flown and imprisoned did not commit any crimes.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is subsequently deported.
Sounds like reasonable concern.
Sounds like a true statement? Again, valid concern.
More concern than is warranted probably/hopefully. -shrug-
You agree the government's actions here are bad... but the first thing you do when they are forced to reverse course is chastise the people who may have been overly exuberant in their criticism of the thing YOU AGREE IS BAD??? I don't see the point.
People opposing Trump excessively are not worse than Trump's actions. Also, the messaging from the Trump administration up until this very day has been that they weren't going to bring this guy back. Given that information, were we just supposed to assume he would come around eventually regardless?
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It's not histrionic catastrophizing if you are familiar with how authoritarians have consolidated power in the past. If left unchecked, smaller transgressions that go unchallenged can escalate into larger abuses of power. It's beyond me how you can look at DJT's history and seem to hold this guy's character in such high esteem to be confident he would never do anything like deport US citizens he doesn't like. Regardless, we're not claiming he would, but I'd rather not find out by allowing him to get away with more and more incidents like this where he pushes the limits of what he can get away with.
Yes, it's a good thing that he's now getting due process (after public outcry and the Supreme Court ordered him to do it). We're upset he was deported without due process in the first place.
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After the $300m bribe Trump took from China earlier, he also invited (well, sold) CCP members a private audience through his memecoin grift. Of course, at the same time he just has to block all international students out of security concerns. Totally not a corrupt authoritarian dismantling the US piece by piece.
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He was indicted on federal charges until after he was deported. I see nothing that suggested the DOJ had no knowledge of this before deportation, is that incorrect?
Being here illegally is a crime that is being enforced by this administration.
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Indicted until... after he was deported? If I understand what you're saying, I agree. He was indicted after he was deported.
The smuggling information only came out after conservative media looked into it. There was video of him transporting purportedly day laborers in the past and he was pulled over by the cops, who never accused him of a crime. There was no mention of this by the government in any of his hearings to my knowledge until this reporting. Maybe the government has uncovered additional information.
IMO, the charges are a face saving maneuver by the administration. Given how much power the President has on an immigrant's status, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't actually need to prove anything in court for his current status to be revoked in the future.
Did he or did he not have legal status at the time of his deportation? (I consider "withholding removal" status to be some type of legal status. Those with such a status can live and work in the US after all.)
Again... we've been told time and time again that this administration is focusing on people who have committed crimes in the US apart from their immigration status. That's what I'm referring to when I talk about criminal activity, because it's what the Trump administration also refers to often as propaganda.
SCOTUS ruled 9-0 this guy's return should be facilitated. Trump's deportation of him was illegal. Yes or no?
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"A former employee of the Department of Government Efficiency says that he found that the federal waste, fraud and abuse that his agency was supposed to uncover were "relatively nonexistent" during his short time embedded within the Department of Veterans Affairs.
"I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was," Sahil Lavingia told NPR's Juana Summers.
Lavingia was a successful software developer and the founder of Gumroad, a platform for online sales, when he joined DOGE in March. Lavingia said he had previously sought to work for the U.S. Digital Service, the technology unit that was renamed and restructured by the Trump administration. He told NPR that he just wanted to make government websites easier for citizens to use and didn't really care which presidential administration he was working for, despite protests from his friends and family.
"I did not find the federal government to be rife with waste, fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins. I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse. And I do believe that there is a lot of waste. There's minimal amounts of fraud. And abuse, to me, feels relatively nonexistent. And the reason is — I think we have a bias as people coming from the tech industry where we worked at companies, you know, such as Google, Facebook, these companies that have plenty of money, are funded by investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around doing nothing.
The government has been under sort of a magnifying glass for decades. And so I think, generally, I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was. This isn't to say that it can't be made more efficient — elimination of paper, elimination of faxing — but these aren't necessarily fraud, waste and abuse. These are just rooms to modernize and improve the U.S. federal government into the 21st century."
The purpose of DOGE always was to make government worse.
"I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was," Sahil Lavingia told NPR's Juana Summers.
Lavingia was a successful software developer and the founder of Gumroad, a platform for online sales, when he joined DOGE in March. Lavingia said he had previously sought to work for the U.S. Digital Service, the technology unit that was renamed and restructured by the Trump administration. He told NPR that he just wanted to make government websites easier for citizens to use and didn't really care which presidential administration he was working for, despite protests from his friends and family.
"I did not find the federal government to be rife with waste, fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins. I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse. And I do believe that there is a lot of waste. There's minimal amounts of fraud. And abuse, to me, feels relatively nonexistent. And the reason is — I think we have a bias as people coming from the tech industry where we worked at companies, you know, such as Google, Facebook, these companies that have plenty of money, are funded by investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around doing nothing.
The government has been under sort of a magnifying glass for decades. And so I think, generally, I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was. This isn't to say that it can't be made more efficient — elimination of paper, elimination of faxing — but these aren't necessarily fraud, waste and abuse. These are just rooms to modernize and improve the U.S. federal government into the 21st century."
The purpose of DOGE always was to make government worse.
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The smuggling information was known back in 2019 from what I gather? Likely not an easy case to prosecute so it wasn't pushed at the time.
The charges should have been pressed from the start, no disagreement there. I'm glad the Supreme Court is ensuring due process. The end result is likely a guy that shouldn't be here is going to get deported.
I guess we disagree on "legal status", as it does not make him technically a legal resident and it doesn't negate the fact that he entered illegally. Either way, it can be reversed and the Trump administration deemed it was no longer relevant.
The administration made a push and challenged the courts to facilitate the immigration agenda. They lost. Happens with many administrations and it won't be the last time. Yes, it's the system working as designed.
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The administration deeming it was no longer relevant unilaterally was an illegal action! He could work and live here legally. That status shouldn't be unilaterally decided by the President, yes or no?
Suppose Trump orders the killing of an illegal immigrant and he declares it to be within his prerogative and a "challenge to the courts" as part of his immigration agenda. If the system said "hey... don't do that" is that the system working as designed to you or is it an illegal action?
Trump's deportation of him was illegal. Yes or no? A 9-0 SCOTUS order requiring the President to facilitate his return should say something about the legality of the action.
Edit: I'll make it easier and just ask if it was unconstitutional
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I dunno. He's got a wife and kids here. His wife wants him back despite concerns for violence in the past. He was a law abiding person while he had his protected status. Seems to me that there's a pretty good moral argument he should be here.
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Anything's possible. Who could've predicted that the Cult would start wearing diapers to show solidarity with his GI issues?
Wearing T-shirts saying "I'm a pedophile too" is probably a bit of a stretch for them, but it wouldn't surprise me if a new wave of linguist pedants popped up to earnestly educate us all on the difference between a pedophile and ephebophile. Because him being a statutory rapist (+/- consent) is OK but at least he's not a pervert.
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I guess this is a difference of opinion. I find the idea of a bunch of people with 5000$ apple laptop/phone combos, a Porsche or similar luxury vehicle sitting in the garage, and a salary of 500k+ worrying about being persecuted as intelligentsia in America of all places to be a ridiculous impossibility.
So to say a concern like "The educated will be targeted" is reasonable, is to me the equivalent of saying it's reasonable to compare DEI seminars in the workplace to Maoist struggle sessions. Are there tangential similarities? Sure. Are they valid comparisons? In my opinion, no.
I never said that opposing Trump is worse than his actions. I'm saying that in general a physician being afraid for his or her personal safety due to the big bad Trump secret police crew is overly paranoid, dramatic, and as worthy of ridicule as the people who yammer on about "the Biden crime family," "her emails," and "Biden's laptop." Lord knows people here are quick to ridicule those folks pretty mercilessly, calling them dumb, paranoid, "MAGA" cultists, etc.
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Hot take:
It's actually a good thing that some wealthy people can identify with poor immigrants and find common cause. To see themselves living lives as precarious.
Something not worthy of ridicule at all.
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No argument against that perspective, anything that forces highly educated people to listen to and identify with the poor or uneducated is a plus in my mind.
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Deploying active duty troops to curb protests is what Mark Esper refused to do in June 2020.
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Seems a lot of these “Don’t tread on me” conservatives don’t mind disproportionate use of state force to rob citizens of their first amendment rights. Sending in the military certainly isn’t over-the-top histrionics either.
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They sent the national guard in when people protested/blocked integration, because the government was enforcing the new law. First amendment rights don’t mean you can obstruct lawful actions.
ICE is doing their jobs in these raids. Every illegal immigrant is subject to detention by ICE by definition. I think protesting lawful government procedures is different than protesting a law or an event you don’t like, hence the response
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I believe the state governor activated the National Guard in the situation you cited…not the President. I also don’t think the President threatened the deployment of Marines in that situation either… but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
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ICE is a federal organization, desegregation took place at the state level, maybe that’s the discrepancy? States don’t have a right to allow federal organizations to be obstructed is my guess.
And yes Donald Trump is an idiot, for thinking the marines would do anything like enforce laws on American soil.
But “I am MAGA” so I don’t criticize Donald Trump ever. Wait… 🤯
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Brown v. Board of Education was a Supreme Court decision, so definitely not just a state issue.
The fact of the matter is Trump is very obviously using the National Guard in a “Democrat state” to create a crisis that doesn’t exist. It’s optics for his state media. If you can’t see it as over-reactionary histrionics then I don’t know what to say.
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Comparing plagiarism and “character flaws” to rape and pedophilia is a bit odd…even for you.
