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A good response politically if the prevailing view of your party is fecklessness.
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A good response politically if the prevailing view of your party is fecklessness.
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Didn’t seem like much of a threat:
“When asked whether that would include Newsom or Bass, Homan did not rule it out.
“I’ll say it about anybody,” Homan said. “You cross that line, it’s a felony to knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien. It’s a felony to impede law enforcement doing their job.”
He did not accuse any politician of impeding enforcement, and when asked about Bass specifically, he said that he doesn’t believe “she’s crossed the line yet.” A spokesperson for Bass did not immediately respond to a request for comment.”
Trump's border czar threatens arrest for immigration interference, warns Newsom and Bass not to 'cross that line'
ICE agents will be out "every day" regardless of pushback amid widespread protests across Los Angeles County, Tom Homan told NBC News on Saturday.
Good move may newsom to play it up though. Still always going to be “French Laundry Newsom” to me and most of America.
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Didn’t seem like much of a threat:
“When asked whether that would include Newsom or Bass, Homan did not rule it out.
“I’ll say it about anybody,” Homan said. “You cross that line, it’s a felony to knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien. It’s a felony to impede law enforcement doing their job.”
He did not accuse any politician of impeding enforcement, and when asked about Bass specifically, he said that he doesn’t believe “she’s crossed the line yet.” A spokesperson for Bass did not immediately respond to a request for comment.”
Trump's border czar threatens arrest for immigration interference, warns Newsom and Bass not to 'cross that line'
ICE agents will be out "every day" regardless of pushback amid widespread protests across Los Angeles County, Tom Homan told NBC News on Saturday.www.nbcnews.com
Good move may newsom to play it up though. Still always going to be “French Laundry Newsom” to me and most of America.
Trump's comments are funniest. He said:
"I would do it if I were Tom. I think it's great. Gavin likes the publicity but I think it would be a great thing"
Need access to the signal group chat to decipher if this is going to be viewed as an official order or not.
If they do arrest him though that will be crazy.
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Didn’t seem like much of a threat:
“When asked whether that would include Newsom or Bass, Homan did not rule it out.
“I’ll say it about anybody,” Homan said. “You cross that line, it’s a felony to knowingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien. It’s a felony to impede law enforcement doing their job.”
He did not accuse any politician of impeding enforcement, and when asked about Bass specifically, he said that he doesn’t believe “she’s crossed the line yet.” A spokesperson for Bass did not immediately respond to a request for comment.”
Trump's border czar threatens arrest for immigration interference, warns Newsom and Bass not to 'cross that line'
ICE agents will be out "every day" regardless of pushback amid widespread protests across Los Angeles County, Tom Homan told NBC News on Saturday.
Good move may newsom to play it up though. Still always going to be “French Laundry Newsom” to me and most of America.
A felony to impede law enforcement. Is ICE law enforcement? If so why are they hiding their faces and not wearing identification or announcing who they are during ‘arrests’?
Staying out of the debate on LA protests I haven’t been paying attention. Allowing a scenario where Trump can send in troops to clean up a dem govs mess is exactly what maga wants though.
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Would be quite a twist in the ER drama that is the USA these days. I wouldn’t be in favor of it if it happened as well 😉
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Yes. Because liberal nut jobs are trying to dox them and threaten their families. Apparently there is no federal policy dictating masks.
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It’s kinda hard to agree with you cause when I was deployed to Iraq, there was this kid that would sell us bootleg dvd’s (there’s your dishonesty I guess). Nice enough kid, just getting a few bucks from the Americans. Anyway, one morning we found his body in a canal..minus his head. Never found the head. But ya, please try to explain how dishonesty is worse than cutting the head off a young boy?
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If she was there illegally after a dispersal order then it was legally justified according to their current response procedures.
If you have forgotten, it’s totally a leftist antifa move to bully, antagonize and assault press you don’t agree with.
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It did look intentional, but the camera shot does not show what else was in the area and she was standing far too close to a crowd that the police were trying to use non-lethal tactics to disperse.
It appeared that she was shocked by the sudden pain in her ankle (I think?). It must have been quite a surprise, but she is right in the heart of the melee. Someone immediately asks her if she's alright, to which she confirms "Yeah, I'm good, I'm good" with a noise that almost sounded like a shocked laugh. I'm sure it was just a reflex response to the shock of it all. But, as stated earlier, rubber bullets, unless they hit your eye (which would really suck) or parts of your head, are likely just going to quickly get your attention. Like a Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson fastball. Nobody wants to take one, but you know that's a risk if you're facing them. I assume that, like a pitcher, they are not aiming for the head, but in a crowd, I am sure that is a huge risk. Unregulated paintball wars without proper PPE carry similar risks, and people do that for fun. Either way, still not ideal.
I have also read that rubber bullets are less accurate, so that is an issue as well. If it were me, I think tear gas of some sort would be far more effective and do far less damage.
However, based on getting hit in the ankle and her immediately saying she was fine, I suspect that she will do okay. I know her desire to get a better report will push her into the more dangerous areas, but it always comes at a cost. The upside is that the cop made her famous for 15 minutes.
I am curious, how do you think the police should respond to the violence? Just let them off the hook and say it was mostly peaceful (like what we saw in Seattle and Minneapolis and a few other democratic run cities)? Or should they quell the violence through force? If they are unable (or unwilling, as in the case of the LA Mayor) to restore peace and order, should the National Guard be called to help? If you trust them to just eventually restore peace on their own (without intervention by the police), how long to you give them to accomplish this? How much violence and destruction would you allow? Have you considered running for elected office in California? I think you might have a bright local political future...limited only to California, though. California politicians are ballot box poison for any national election and I see no effort on their part to reverse their course on that path.
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I believe that Hobbes stated that a really big lie was a leviathan, aka "a whopper."
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Trump just straight up pulling answers out of his ass lol can’t believe you *****s voted for this guy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/CZVKl2mGf7
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You may have taken his post too serious. I think it was dripping with sarcasm.
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Legally? Sure. Cops can inflict harm with strong legal immunity.
No, I'm arguing he is not justified to shoot her morally. She is a member of the press. She is not a danger to the community or the cops, not committing any crimes, not doing really anything wrong aside from being too close to a cop. The cop knows he CAN shoot her because he (presumably) gave an order and (presumably) waited an appropriate amount of time. Doesn't justify shooting her morally.
She was about as close to the cop as she was to the crowd. Don't know what this is supposed to mean. The camera panned around and there wasn't anyone within 10ft of her as far as I could tell apart from the camera man.
I think she's fine and she has said as much afterward. If you're insinuating he was trying to shoot someone else behind her that's a stretch based on the footage.
Cops can use non-lethal means to curb violent protesters. This isn't controversial to me.
They shouldn't shoot people who are clearly nonviolent bystanders. This also doesn't seem controversial to me in the least as it does to you and DocMccoy apparently. She was a ~130lb blonde woman with a camera pointed at her and a microphone in her hand. She wasn't about to light up a car or throw a brick at anyone.
Shooting this woman wasn't going to "restore peace and order".
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This seems like the right move for this admin.
About 700 Marines being mobilized as California vows to sue Trump administration
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/la-protests-ice-raids-trump-06-09-25
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You're lost in your own mind palace.
I think cops can take certain measures to restore peace and order.
I don't think shooting this reporter was morally justifiable.
I don't think it was necessary to send in the national guard and definitely not to send in marines.
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This is gross, but on brand.
If people are destroying properties, I think sending the national guard (not sure about the US marines) was a good thing.
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Next time Michigan State burns a couch as a post-game tradition, I'll remember this post.
There are some cases where it is more reasonable than others.
Sending the national guard in is a political move more than a move to restore peace and order IMO. Especially after the mayor and governor rejected it.
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He’s trying to get bleach to be a routine treatment…for everything.
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Get ready for the avalanche of MAGA diehards who’ve been studying the feeds for the past 48 hours to come here and tell us why this is a good thing.
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DocMccoy (not 100% MAGA): Trump is legally allowed to do this, there is no reason to view this action critically through a political or moral lens. In fact, if this is viewed critically it only helps Trump.
Gern: Democratic politicians left Trump with no other option but to do this. If you view this action critically, you must be in favor of lawlessness.
Aneftp: Obamacare. Joe Biden. IRS.
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Meh I don’t think your moral lens is so crystal clear. There is obviously a large contingent on the right that view illegals as criminals and believe we are morally obligated to remove them from the country. There is also a large contingent on the left that views many actions including violence and breaking the law are morally acceptable to stop this from happening. One side is currently acting within the letter of the law and one side isn’t.
Gerns arguments make sense to me, I don’t know how you come to the conclusion that it means you must be in favor of lawlessness. Liberal
Democrats were trying to walk an impossibly fine line. They obviously want to block the Trump immigration agenda as much as possible, yet they didn’t want the “protests” to devolve to the point Trump would get involved. LAPD refused to help ICE from the start. This administration was never going to let them slow walk their response to violence so we could have another Kenosha or Seattle. Now Trump gets the win as the law and order President, and the left still looks like they have no idea what they are doing.
It’s funny. If yall spent half as much time complaining about Trump, arguing with the right, and throwing tantrums at protests, as you did focusing your messaging, nailing down your platform, and finding one or two candidates they aren’t completely worthless POS, you would rightfully own the midterms. Right now, it’s 50/50.
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I agree that she should not have been shot by the police officer. I looked closely at the video and it sure did look intentional. My only point is that there is a very small chance that there is something unknown. Sure did not look like it and I am not trying to defend it as okay to intentionally do that. She was in a dangerous area and had to deal with the consequences. One of the dangers of subduing a crowd by force is that you have a lot of individuals who you must rely on to do the right thing. As humans, the chances that they all do the right thing 100% of the time is low. I think this was likely one of those times when someone thought they could get away with something that they thought would be no big deal, since it was a rubber bullet and he (she?) aimed low at the ankle. Still a pretty terrible thing to do, even if it did no permanent harm.
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LA was having a nice quiet summer before the ICE raids. Trump wanted to put on a show to rile up his base. He is good at that.
I wonder how Republican mega donor Ken Langone feels about ICE raiding his store.
I wonder how Republican mega donor Ken Langone feels about ICE raiding his store.
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I don't know what a "mind palace" is or why you think it is cool to use kitschy terms such as that. You sure use a lot of them.
I just finished responding to your earlier post before reading this. I totally agree that the cop shooting the reporter looked intentional and was absolutely the wrong thing to do, if it was, indeed, intentional.
On your last sentence, I think national guard troops and marines are completely justified if the mayor and governor cannot protect their own citizens. If you have a weak governor and mayor and are being attacked by your own neighbors as well as undocumented foreign invaders, then the POTUS has a duty to protect the US citizens.
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That is a stretch of an analogy. Also, I believe you misspelled West Virginia University. 🙂
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By what metric are you using to justify sending in the National Guard and marines? Is it just some property damage and some citizens have to feel threatened?
Clearly we don't send the air force in for riot control after the World Series celebrations and associated property damage. We don't even send it in for the vast majority of protests that cause property damage.
The current protests/demonstrations/riots were believed to be adequately controlled by the politicians in charge the past few days. The protests had not reached the level where Newsome felt the need to request aid like he did in 2020, to say nothing of the Watts riots in the past. I think that is very telling.
Newsome knows when to call for help. Do we really believe Trump of all people has some special insight into protest/riot management? The simplest explanation is that Trump is going over Dems heads to assert power and for political points.
There is reporting suggesting that sending in the National Guard has only inflamed the conflict. It's a developing story... so I take this with a grain of salt.
Protests intensify in Los Angeles after Trump deploys hundreds of National Guard troops
National Guard troops have begun arriving on President Trump's orders in response to immigration protests.
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What about all the business owners, contractors, landscapers, homeowners, etc.. who knowingly (or due to lack of diligence) hired illegal immigrants? Shouldn’t they be rounded up and arrested as well? I’ve said for a decade or more, the easiest way to stem the tide of illegal immigration is to punish the people who hire them. Why don’t we hear about Republicans calling for the punishment of these business owners?
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You and I both know the answer: they love hiring people with no status because they are desperate to work and won’t fight back.
It’s all projection. Always.
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I think those are mainly civil penalties, so no “to the rounding them up and arresting them”. Should they face penalties, of course. Logistically seems like very little juice for a whole lot of squeeze in terms of money and resources.
I think your argument falls flat. For example, i don’t think the best way to get rid of heroin trafficking is to execute everyone that shoot up.
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Nah maga is frothing at the mouth right now. Sending in the national guard and the marines to bust up some crazy leftists is the stuff of maga dreams.
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RFK just fired every CDC expert on the immunization advisory committee, with a nice dose of lies mixed into his announcement per usual.
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The message from Dems should’ve been trumps catastrophic failure on immigration. He repeatedly said something stupid like 14 million? illegal criminals had ‘invaded’ the US. Just a few months in and he’s resorted to shopping the Home Depot for people to deport. That should’ve been the message.
Instead the crazy leftists gave Trump an out with dumb protests. They let him and the MAGAs get a win with the national guard and marines. Were either of those needed? Absolutely not. But it’s a political win.
Instead the crazy leftists gave Trump an out with dumb protests. They let him and the MAGAs get a win with the national guard and marines. Were either of those needed? Absolutely not. But it’s a political win.
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We have had a system to verify employment eligibility in some form since 1996.
Yet somehow, the vast majority of the states don’t mandate its use nor institute penalties for hiring ineligible people.
Even in states that supposedly mandate eVerify, they don’t have functioning enforcement mechanisms because, let’s be honest, they don't actually want to enforce it, cuz the businesses would lose money.
Fine businesses like we fine for HIPAA violations and the undocumented workers would leave (or starve).
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We don't do that for sporting event celebrations because the police, mayor, and citizens all are on the same page and want order restored. Also, it is generally a time limited celebration of turning a car over, climbing a traffic signal pole, lighting trash cans or couches on fire etc. It is over by the next morning and the Mayor may do a curfew the next day if anything lingers.By what metric are you using to justify sending in the National Guard and marines? Is it just some property damage and some citizens have to feel threatened?
Clearly we don't send the air force in for riot control after the World Series celebrations and associated property damage. We don't even send it in for the vast majority of protests that cause property damage.
The current protests/demonstrations/riots were believed to be adequately controlled by the politicians in charge the past few days. The protests had not reached the level where Newsome felt the need to request aid like he did in 2020, to say nothing of the Watts riots in the past. I think that is very telling.
Newsome knows when to call for help. Do we really believe Trump of all people has some special insight into protest/riot management? The simplest explanation is that Trump is going over Dems heads to assert power and for political points.
There is reporting suggesting that sending in the National Guard has only inflamed the conflict. It's a developing story... so I take this with a grain of salt.
Protests intensify in Los Angeles after Trump deploys hundreds of National Guard troops
National Guard troops have begun arriving on President Trump's orders in response to immigration protests.
This is very different. This is violent with bricks being thrown, cars set on fire, police officers and federal agents being attacked, etc. It is not time limited and seems to be escalating even more. Instead of being on the same page, the elected officials are validating the rioters which emboldens them to escalate it further. Quelling this uprising before it leads to multiple deaths is the proper approach. Newsome clearly has no idea what he is doing and does not know when to call for help.
If calling in the National Guard and Marines inflames the conflict, then they are likely needed even more. Hopefully, they can arrest most of them and the weaker ones will flee back to whatever hole they crawled out of. Hopefully, they can arrest the majority of them and keep them in jail until the next Democrat POTUS can pardon them. 🙂
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That would still leave a whole lot that are here for more nefarious purposes. The ones we should actually be trying to get out.
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Interesting logic here.
It's a wonder states have gone for >60yrs without a President usurping what is traditionally the Governor's role like we're seeing now.
It's really not that different. Sports riot - Wikipedia I mean the rationales and motivating factors are different, sure. But in terms of material damage as you suggest, not so much.
Select cases:
2023 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game
"After the UConn Huskies defeated the San Diego State Aztecs in the 2023 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game, 16 people were hospitalized and 22 people were arrested after a riot broke out on the University of Connecticut campus. Fans flipped cars and started fires, in addition to tearing down light poles and using them as battering rams to break into campus buildings."
2024 World Series
"Los Angeles experienced unrest after the Los Angeles Dodgers defeated the New York Yankees in Game 5 of the World Series in New York on October 30th. Dodgers fans celebrated by taking to the streets of Los Angeles to loot stores, tagged buildings with graffiti, and violently confront police who tried to stop the riot. At around 12:30 AM PT the following day, the Los Angeles Police Department reported that fans set a MTA bus on fire."
2014 World Series
"After the San Francisco Giants defeated the Kansas City Royals in the 2014 World Series, Giants fans set fires, vandalized buses and police cars, shattered windows of businesses, scrawled graffiti, and threw bottles at police. Two people were shot, one person was stabbed, and a police officer was badly hurt from fireworks exploding. 40 arrests were made."
Describing them as "time limited" is an interesting way to differentiate them, but really it doesn't support your argument that Trump isn't further inflaming the populace with his rhetoric and strategy.
Newsome knows when to request help, he did it in 2020. Describing his (or Bass') performance as inept now is purely political posturing.
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Trump sure didn’t send in the national guard to Philly in 2018. Trump jumped the gun on sending the troops in this time and now he’s jumping the gun sending in the marines. It’s pretty obvious if this were happening in Texas or any red state, he’d let the governor handle it unless they ask for help.
Aren’t you guys supposed to be the party of states rights and small government? I’m sure you know that’s a rhetorical question by now cause you’re the party of whatever daddy does is ok.
Aren’t you guys supposed to be the party of states rights and small government? I’m sure you know that’s a rhetorical question by now cause you’re the party of whatever daddy does is ok.
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You know... unlawful presence in the US is just a civil penalty too.
(Unlawful entry is a criminal misdemeanor.)
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Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass are definitely inept. They demonstrate it over and over.
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We still arrest plenty of the end “users” of that heroin trafficking. You don’t think removing the incentive for immigration in the first place wouldn’t be effective? Care to explain? We can make the penalty as stiff as we want…anything from severe fines to jail time. If we really want to stop illegal immigration, we need to remove the reason they come here. I just find it curious that we are not calling for the punishment of those that have benefitted directly from illegal immigration.
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They are the party of “whatever Trump decrees, it will be.” Once something seems a little off, they fire up the ol’ propaganda machine to get themselves in line with the party line’s thinking.
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Misdemeanor… which you get for crossing the border illegally, which you know is a criminal offense, right?
Well, some of us want the cheap labor; we just don't want things to get out of hands.
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You are trying to push me into an argument I’m not making. I already said they shoud be punished. The punishment we have for that on the books isn’t rounding them up and arresting them. The end users of heroin are punished according to the laws on the books, which generally are more lenient than trafficking. Your solution would undoubtably be effective in mitigating illegals coming here for work. It does nothing to stop the “bad hombres” here for more nefarious purposes.
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According to Google, 74% of “unauthorized” immigrants are employed. In my mind, those employers should face punishments as stiff as the immigrants being rounded up, arrested, and thrown in jail. I would favor severe, almost bankrupting, financial penalties, but jail works too.
If, as a society, we have decided that illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be solved then we should be willing to pay whatever those financial consequences are. I actually think homeowners who hire contractors and landscapers without doing adequate due diligence should be on the hook for penalties related to employing illegal immigrants…whether that be severe fines or jail time.
