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[HemeOncHopeful19]

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Anecdotally, I can tell you that millions of Americans in their prime working years (40s-50s) currently get UBI - military retirement benefits. Despite that, almost all of them (myself included 🙂) still work full time. The welfare queen myth is, well, a myth.

Agreed don't even get me started on service connection

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[DocMcCoy]

The US bombing Iran could lead to another 911. I wish people would think about that. We don't need to give people in the Middle East another reason to hate America.

Iran could also blockade the Straight of Hormuz. It's a choke point though which much of the world's oil supply passes. Americans would feel it back home, when the price of gasoline and natural gas soars.

It could also cause WW III.

Well they arguably don’t need another reason to plot a 9/11, they already hate us. The can try to block the Hormuz, it didn’t work very well in the 80s, and it would help turn worldwide sentiment against Iran, as would another 9/11 style attack.

 

[nimbus]

Surprising or not, that has been the finding in trials of UBI so far. Generally they showed that the people who received the money kept working, and/or invested the extra money in school or training that increased their post-trial incomes. All while raising their standard of living at the time.

I think UBI is an interesting thought experiment but doubt we'll ever see it implemented in a widespread manner, unless and until AI/robotics/etc actually do put 1/4 or 1/3 of human beings out of work because they truly are not needed. That's not soon, no matter what the starry-eyed futurists say. Even then I'm going to guess a poverty-stricken dystopia for 1/2 the population is a more likely outcome than a Star Trek universe kind of UBI.


Anecdotally, I can tell you that millions of Americans in their prime working years (40s-50s) currently get UBI - military retirement benefits. Despite that, almost all of them (myself included 🙂) still work full time. The welfare queen myth is, well, a myth.

I know a workaholic cardiac surgeon in his mid 60s who is a retired navy captain. He likes to tell me he gets $6000/mo for waking up in the morning.

 

[Splenda88]

Anecdotally, I can tell you that millions of Americans in their prime working years (40s-50s) currently get UBI - military retirement benefits. Despite that, almost all of them (myself included 🙂) still work full time. The welfare queen myth is, well, a myth.

One of my doc friends who is making 450k+/yr is getting 3k+/month disability (physical) military benefits. The guy is in his 30s and has no disability at all. I play sports with him all the time.

 

[HemeOncHopeful19]

One of my doc friends who is making 450k+/yr is getting 3k+/month disability (physical) military benefits. The guy is in his 30s and has no disability at all. I play sports with him all the time.

Gotta get on that tinnitus train bruh

 

[Southpaw]

Well they arguably don’t need another reason to plot a 9/11, they already hate us. The can try to block the Hormuz, it didn’t work very well in the 80s, and it would help turn worldwide sentiment against Iran, as would another 9/11 style attack.

Why don’t we trust DNI Gabbard when in March she said all our intelligence says Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon? Iran allows IAEA inspectors. They were part of the NPT. Israel - no inspectors and not part of the NPT.

Where’s Netanyahus evidence ? Just starts launching missiles out of nowhere while we are having nuclear talks with Iran?

 

[Splenda88]

Why don’t we trust DNI Gabbard when in March she said all our intelligence says Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon? Iran allows IAEA inspectors. They were part of the NPT. Israel - no inspectors and not part of the NPT.

Where’s Netanyahus evidence ? Just starts launching missiles out of nowhere while we are having nuclear talks with Iran?

We don't need any evidence from him because he says that every year for the past 30 yrs.

 

[pgg]

Well they arguably don’t need another reason to plot a 9/11, they already hate us. The can try to block the Hormuz, it didn’t work very well in the 80s, and it would help turn worldwide sentiment against Iran, as would another 9/11 style attack.

Are you in favor of the USA attacking Iran now?

 

[Splenda88]

Well they arguably don’t need another reason to plot a 9/11, they already hate us. The can try to block the Hormuz, it didn’t work very well in the 80s, and it would help turn worldwide sentiment against Iran, as would another 9/11 style attack.

Almost every single country in the middle east hate us.

 

[maxxor]

We don't any evidence from him because he says that every year for the past 30 yrs.

Israel has been sabotaging the Iranian nuclear program for 30 years. Some of their most wild and wacky operations were to target nuclear scientists, including remote controlled machine guns, stuxnet, and other legitimately crazy stuff.

It is true that Bibi has been saying this for a long time, but Israel has been interfering for a long time too…hard to know exactly how far they’d be without Israel’s “help”.

The anti Israel turn after 1988 was the dumbest move on the Islamic republic’s part. They would be provinces of Iraq if Israel hadn’t sent them enormous amounts of aid during the war.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Why don’t we trust DNI Gabbard when in March she said all our intelligence says Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon? Iran allows IAEA inspectors. They were part of the NPT. Israel - no inspectors and not part of the NPT.

Having enough enriched uranium to make a functional bomb, and having a serviceable nuclear missile are two different things. They are close to the first part.

Are you in favor of the USA attacking Iran now?

No. Though I think accepting that Iran will eventually have nukes and doing nothing is a mistake. I think at the very least we would agree that delaying their capability a couple of years until a more stable and capable administration is in power to deal with the inevitability might not be a bad thing.

 

[Southpaw]

Having enough enriched uranium to make a functional bomb, and having a serviceable nuclear missile are two different things. They are close to the first part.



No. Though I think accepting that Iran will eventually have nukes and doing nothing is a mistake. I think at the very least we would agree that delaying their capability a couple of years until a more stable and capable administration is in power to deal with the inevitability might not be a bad thing.

I mean honestly I feel like MAGA saying this, but there have been, are, and will be lots of regimes we can’t change. We took out Assad and now ISIS controls Syria, filling the void. And Israel can’t be the only country in that region with nukes. The game they’re playing is on a very unsustainable path and we shouldn’t follow it.

We shouldn’t ’do nothing’. Iran is allowing inspections and they are part of the NPT. But just because Netanyahu says they’re close, when our own intelligence says otherwise, isn’t reason to do what we’re considering. And it’s not reason, in my opinion, to support Israel in what they’re doing.

Gabbard should just resign, fyi.

 

[nimbus]

Israel has been sabotaging the Iranian nuclear program for 30 years. Some of their most wild and wacky operations were to target nuclear scientists, including remote controlled machine guns, stuxnet, and other legitimately crazy stuff.

It is true that Bibi has been saying this for a long time, but Israel has been interfering for a long time too…hard to know exactly how far they’d be without Israel’s “help”.

The anti Israel turn after 1988 was the dumbest move on the Islamic republic’s part. They would be provinces of Iraq if Israel hadn’t sent them enormous amounts of aid during the war.

Bibi just said Israel can take care of Iran nukes without us so there is no reason for the United States to get involved militarily.

Netanyahu: Israel can destroy all of Iran's nuclear sites without US help | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is capable of attacking all of Iran's nuclear facilities without US support.

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“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is capable of attacking all of Iran's nuclear facilities without US support.

Netanyahu was interviewed by an Israeli TV station on Thursday.

Asked whether a uranium enrichment plant in Fordow could be attacked with or without US involvement, Netanyahu said, "We have the power to remove all our targets, all their nuclear facilities."

 

[pgg]

No. Though I think accepting that Iran will eventually have nukes and doing nothing is a mistake. I think at the very least we would agree that delaying their capability a couple of years until a more stable and capable administration is in power to deal with the inevitability might not be a bad thing.

We don't have to do nothing. Diplomacy, containment, strong alliances in the region. All the things we did when the USSR was an existential threat, and all the things we've been doing with North Korea since they became a nuclear state.

Iran's leaders are rational and they don't want to die.

Pakistan worries me much more than Iran. Unstable regime, and a nation riddled with militias and true jihadists. If a bomb blows up Tel Aviv or NYC that's where I think it'll come from.


The problem is that Trump is a horrendously bad diplomat. He's a terrible "deal maker", has the attention span of a goldfish, and is surrounded by hilariously unqualified yes-men. Iran is where they are now in large part because of the nuclear deal (imperfect though it was) that he wrecked last time around.

I think there's a real risk he'll forget all about that "not starting wars" bit he at one point seemed to actually believe (if he believes anything, that is), and succumb to the whispers about how attacking will show everyone how strong and decisive he is.

 

[maxxor]

Bibi just said Israel can take care of Iran nukes without us so there is no reason for the United States to get involved militarily.

Netanyahu: Israel can destroy all of Iran's nuclear sites without US help | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is capable of attacking all of Iran's nuclear facilities without US support.

www3.nhk.or.jp

“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is capable of attacking all of Iran's nuclear facilities without US support.

Netanyahu was interviewed by an Israeli TV station on Thursday.

Asked whether a uranium enrichment plant in Fordow could be attacked with or without US involvement, Netanyahu said, "We have the power to remove all our targets, all their nuclear facilities."

Maybe the right person responded to the IDF Farsi tweet: “in these trying times, consider another path. Contact Mossad today.”

 

[Splenda88]

Having enough enriched uranium to make a functional bomb, and having a serviceable nuclear missile are two different things. They are close to the first part.



No. Though I think accepting that Iran will eventually have nukes and doing nothing is a mistake. I think at the very least we would agree that delaying their capability a couple of years until a more stable and capable administration is in power to deal with the inevitability might not be a bad thing.

What happened with the agreement they signed under HUSSEIN Obama?

Why does it have to be the US that have to stop them? Why can't it be China/France/England/Russia/Germany? Why do we have to do Bibbi bidding?

Someone here said it. Pakistan is one of me most unstable countries with a bunch of fanatics, and they have nuclear bombs.

Even if Iran become a nuclear power, they will NEVER attack the US.... Russia/N. Korea/Pakistan have nuclear bombs, and they won't dare attacking the US.

 

[Splenda88]

I mean honestly I feel like MAGA saying this, but there have been, are, and will be lots of regimes we can’t change. We took out Assad and now ISIS controls Syria, filling the void. And Israel can’t be the only country in that region with nukes. The game they’re playing is on a very unsustainable path and we shouldn’t follow it.

We shouldn’t ’do nothing’. Iran is allowing inspections and they are part of the NPT. But just because Netanyahu says they’re close, when our own intelligence says otherwise, isn’t reason to do what we’re considering. And it’s not reason, in my opinion, to support Israel in what they’re doing.

Gabbard should just resign, fyi.

She won't. She likes power and too deep into the MAGA nonsense.

 

[DocMcCoy]

We shouldn’t ’do nothing’. Iran is allowing inspections and they are part of the NPT. But just because Netanyahu says they’re close, when our own intelligence says otherwise, isn’t reason to do what we’re considering. And it’s not reason, in my opinion, to support Israel in what they’re doing.

We don't have to do nothing. Diplomacy, containment, strong alliances in the region. All the things we did when the USSR was an existential threat, and all the things we've been doing with North Korea since they became a nuclear state.

I agree 💯. Diplomacy and containment. But you hit the nail on the head, any JCPOA like agreement that will actually work isn’t going to happen under Trump, and it won’t mean anything without US involvement.

 

[DocMcCoy]

What happened with the agreement they signed under HUSSEIN Obama?

Why does it have to be the US that have to stop them? Why can't it be China/France/England/Russia/Germany? Why do we have to do Bibbi bidding?

Someone here said it. Pakistan is one of me most unstable countries with a bunch of fanatics, and they have nuclear bombs.

Even if Iran become a nuclear power, they will NEVER attack the US.... Russia/N. Korea/Pakistan have nuclear bombs, and they won't dare attacking the US.

JCPOA was torpedoed under Trump. Couldn’t be salvaged by Biden. Dude, why HUSSEIN? If you are assuming I take some MAGA position against all things Obama you would be incorrect.

There is something uneasy about the argument that a volatile Pakistan hasn’t nuked anybody so who cares if we add another unstable country to the list. I think the goal should be to hold the risk of a rogue nuclear attack to a serious threat, and not elevate it to an imminent threat. And as a country who’s stated goal is the destruction of Israel, I’m going to hedge my bet and say they might dare attack there.

 

[Splenda88]

Israel has been sabotaging the Iranian nuclear program for 30 years. Some of their most wild and wacky operations were to target nuclear scientists, including remote controlled machine guns, stuxnet, and other legitimately crazy stuff.

It is true that Bibi has been saying this for a long time, but Israel has been interfering for a long time too…hard to know exactly how far they’d be without Israel’s “help”.

The anti Israel turn after 1988 was the dumbest move on the Islamic republic’s part. They would be provinces of Iraq if Israel hadn’t sent them enormous amounts of aid during the war.

Should I believe Bibi or Tulsi?

In all honesty, I don't care if Iran has nukes. If Israel don't want them to have it, they can stop them themselves. US do not have to be involved.

 

[Splenda88]

JCPOA was torpedoed under Trump. Couldn’t be salvaged by Biden. Dude, why HUSSEIN? If you are assuming I take some MAGA position against all things Obama you would be incorrect.

There is something uneasy about the argument that a volatile Pakistan hasn’t nuked anybody so who cares if we add another unstable country to the list. I think the goal should be to hold the risk of a rogue nuclear attack to a serious threat, and not elevate it to an imminent threat. And as a country who’s stated goal is the destruction of Israel, I’m going to hedge my bet and say they might dare attack there.

Israel should stop them then.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Israel should stop them then.

Agreed.

 

[Splenda88]

Agreed.

But you want the US to be involved? I don't want that.

 

[Splenda88]

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[Southpaw]

But you want the US to be involved? I don't want that.

Listen to Tucker interview Ted Cruz. We are involved regardless of how actual Americans feel. We send $3 billion a year to Israel and endless military assistance. And plenty of people like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee believe they’re called by God to take care of Israel (and by that they mean the government of Israel, not the Jewish people….). And Cruz, Huckabee, and others will in the next breath say ‘America First’!

 

[DocMcCoy]

But you want the US to be involved? I don't want that.

No. I agree with you. I understand Israel’s position but I think escalating US involvement would be a mistake. I think a competent administration would make sure they understood they are on their own. The best outcome would be a couple weeks of continued limited strikes with enough of a dent in Iran’s nuclear infrastructure to kick the can down the road for another couple of years.

I don’t think we gain anything by assisting that effort with our toys other than Trump gets a feather in his cap for being the “peace through strength” president. I tend to think Iran’s response would be fairly limited and largely ineffective if we did decide to intervene though, which is why it’s being considered.

 

[pgg]

JCPOA was torpedoed under Trump. Couldn’t be salvaged by Biden. Dude, why HUSSEIN? If you are assuming I take some MAGA position against all things Obama you would be incorrect.

There is something uneasy about the argument that a volatile Pakistan hasn’t nuked anybody so who cares if we add another unstable country to the list. I think the goal should be to hold the risk of a rogue nuclear attack to a serious threat, and not elevate it to an imminent threat. And as a country who’s stated goal is the destruction of Israel, I’m going to hedge my bet and say they might dare attack there.

Iran is not remotely as unstable and volatile as Pakistan. Iran has had the same leadership for about five decades now. That doesn't happen unless the Supreme Leader's supreme concern is self-preservation.

Their MO is proxy wars through intermediaries and rabble-rousing rhetoric. They know a direct nuclear attack on Israel would result in their complete destruction, by Israel.

Also, my feeling isn't "who cares" if Iran gets a bomb. That would be very bad. The problem is that in the real world of intended and unintended consequences, the options for stopping them are very much worse. Nothing short of ground invasion and regime change can stop a country with the size and resources of Iran from getting a bomb if it chooses to do so.

 

[rowsdower88]

One thing the public doesn't like is masked goons taking people off the streets. Trump is starting to get some of the blame for this. We'll see if Trump's recent rhetoric to let bygones be bygones with undocumented farmers and hotel workers will translate to any change in ICE policy.

 

[Splenda88]

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One thing the public doesn't like is masked goons taking people off the streets. Trump is starting to get some of the blame for this. We'll see if Trump's recent rhetoric to let bygones be bygones with undocumented farmers and hotel workers will translate to any change in ICE policy.

He has pretty much sealed the border. That is a BIG win. He should go after the criminals, but leave the hard working ones alone.

 

[pgg]

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One thing the public doesn't like is masked goons taking people off the streets. Trump is starting to get some of the blame for this. We'll see if Trump's recent rhetoric to let bygones be bygones with undocumented farmers and hotel workers will translate to any change in ICE policy.

It's especially weird considering that the right and especially MAGA's core gripe is that the government is too big, too powerful, and too heavy with its boot on the neck of the people.

Or maybe they're cool with the boot if it's on the neck of people they don't like.


I'm honestly surprised that none of these masked men (who refuse to identify themselves or produce warrants when snatching people) have been shot yet. Seems like that'd be a natural reaction to getting assaulted in such a manner. Maybe the people they're grabbing aren't so dangerous after all.

 

[pgg]

He has pretty much sealed the border. That is a BIG win. He should go after the criminals, but leave the hard working ones alone.

The very first criminals he should go after are the Americans who hire illegal labor.

Then he wouldn't even need to seal the border, because nobody would come here illegally because there'd be no work for illegal immigrants.

 

[Splenda88]

The very first criminals he should go after are the Americans who hire illegal labor.

Then he wouldn't even need to seal the border, because nobody would come here illegally because there'd be no work for illegal immigrants.

I am ok with the hard working illegals that are already here.

 

[pgg]

I am ok with the hard working illegals that are already here.

I'm very much in favor of liberal issuance of work visas to virtually anyone who wants to work here. There are so many advantages:

• the people could be tracked
• criminal background checks
• taxes could be collected
• basic worker rights could be assured and enforced
• there'd be no incentive for decent people desiring work to come illegally
• there'd be no giant mass of illegal immigrants for the true criminal element to hide within

I think the fastest way to motivate Congress to make that happen would be for both the corporations who hire lots of illegal labor as well as the "ordinary" Americans who hire illegal immigrants on the small scale to get hauled into court and hit with fines and criminal charges. Even if it's just a misdemeanor.

It's sheer idiocy to pound away at the SUPPLY side of the illegal immigrant problem without even looking at the DEMAND for illegal labor.

The above is such a blindingly obvious and simple solution, that the fact that neither Republicans nor Democrats have attempted it tells me that neither side wants to solve the problem. Republicans need the "problem" of illegal immigration as a campaign issue. Democrats want the "problem" of illegal immigration because in the longer term the demographic shift favors them in an electoral sense.

 

[Splenda88]

I'm very much in favor of liberal issuance of work visas to virtually anyone who wants to work here. There are so many advantages:

• the people could be tracked
• criminal background checks
• taxes could be collected
• basic worker rights could be assured and enforced
• there'd be no incentive for decent people desiring work to come illegally
• there'd be no giant mass of illegal immigrants for the true criminal element to hide within

I think the fastest way to motivate Congress to make that happen would be for both the corporations who hire lots of illegal labor as well as the "ordinary" Americans who hire illegal immigrants on the small scale to get hauled into court and hit with fines and criminal charges. Even if it's just a misdemeanor.

It's sheer idiocy to pound away at the SUPPLY side of the illegal immigrant problem without even looking at the DEMAND for illegal labor.

The above is such a blindingly obvious and simple solution, that the fact that neither Republicans nor Democrats have attempted it tells me that neither side wants to solve the problem. Republicans need the "problem" of illegal immigration as a campaign issue. Democrats want the "problem" of illegal immigration because in the longer term the demographic shift favors them in an electoral sense.

I wouldn't be ok with "liberal" issuance, but I will be ok with some guess worker program.

Liberal issuance will have an effect on wages for low skilled American workers.

 

[pgg]

I wouldn't be ok with "liberal" issuance, but I will be ok with some guess worker program.

Liberal issuance will have an effect on wages for low skilled American workers.

Well the nice thing about an extensive guest visa program is that we could tailor the numbers, type, and perhaps the state/region where they'd be valid, in some manner that got the strawberries picked and drywall hung where there aren't American workers to do it.

 

[UscGhost]

Southern California man reportedly arrested, dragged out of car, for filming immigration raid

A man who witnessed an immigration raid at a Pacoima shopping plaza said he was forcefully removed and taken into custody for simply filming the activity. On June 19, Arturo Hermosillo said he spotted federal agents detaining several day laborers outside a Lowe’s store. He was sitting in his van...

www.yahoo.com

I guess no issues with an American citizen being arrested for expressing their 1st amendment rights?

Where are all those maga freedom fighters?

 

[DesiredMemberName?]

I'm very much in favor of liberal issuance of work visas to virtually anyone who wants to work here. There are so many advantages:

• the people could be tracked
• criminal background checks
• taxes could be collected
• basic worker rights could be assured and enforced
• there'd be no incentive for decent people desiring work to come illegally
• there'd be no giant mass of illegal immigrants for the true criminal element to hide within

I think the fastest way to motivate Congress to make that happen would be for both the corporations who hire lots of illegal labor as well as the "ordinary" Americans who hire illegal immigrants on the small scale to get hauled into court and hit with fines and criminal charges. Even if it's just a misdemeanor.

It's sheer idiocy to pound away at the SUPPLY side of the illegal immigrant problem without even looking at the DEMAND for illegal labor.

The above is such a blindingly obvious and simple solution, that the fact that neither Republicans nor Democrats have attempted it tells me that neither side wants to solve the problem. Republicans need the "problem" of illegal immigration as a campaign issue. Democrats want the "problem" of illegal immigration because in the longer term the demographic shift favors them in an electoral sense.

I agree Democrats think the demographic shift favors them, but I don’t think that’s the reality.

Latino immigrants (obviously not a monolith) tend to be hard-working, conservative, Christian family values types that aren’t cool with the idea of government handouts to people who don’t work, let alone all the other culture wars stuff in which the left has become mired. I think if the GOP wasn’t actively terrorizing them, they would naturally end up voting Republican, and many still do in spite of that treatment.

 

[Ezekiel2517]

I'm honestly surprised that none of these masked men (who refuse to identify themselves or produce warrants when snatching people) have been shot yet. Seems like that'd be a natural reaction to getting assaulted in such a manner. Maybe the people they're grabbing aren't so dangerous after all.

The last time an immigration officer was killed while performing their duties was 1949. Deportation officers facing violent/deadly resistance is basically nonexistent. And yet we see these ICE agents dressed and geared up head to toe as if armed combat and shootouts in the street are about to pop off at a moment's notice.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Southern California man reportedly arrested, dragged out of car, for filming immigration raid

A man who witnessed an immigration raid at a Pacoima shopping plaza said he was forcefully removed and taken into custody for simply filming the activity. On June 19, Arturo Hermosillo said he spotted federal agents detaining several day laborers outside a Lowe’s store. He was sitting in his van...

www.yahoo.com

I guess no issues with an American citizen being arrested for expressing their 1st amendment rights?

Where are all those maga freedom fighters?

Darn fascists then released him immediately afterwards

 

[Southpaw]

Darn fascists then released him immediately afterwards

Do you support the arrest of American citizens by masked ICE officers who don’t identify themselves and as far as I can tell don’t have the authority to arrest American citizens? If you do not support that then you shouldn’t allow a passive acceptance, which you did with your post. If you do support that, wth is wrong with you?

I really don’t understand posts like yours. Have the cajones to call something very obviously wrong, wrong.

 

[pgg]

I agree Democrats think the demographic shift favors them, but I don’t think that’s the reality.

Latino immigrants (obviously not a monolith) tend to be hard-working, conservative, Christian family values types that aren’t cool with the idea of government handouts to people who don’t work, let alone all the other culture wars stuff in which the left has become mired. I think if the GOP wasn’t actively terrorizing them, they would naturally end up voting Republican, and many still do in spite of that treatment.

I used to agree with that - it seems very much that the Latino Christian culture would be a natural fit for the conservative Republican party that we used to have.

However the GOP under Trump is virulently anti-immigrant and about as anti-Christian (in deed - they certainly still claim to be good Christians) as I can imagine. I'm sure some Christian Trump voters here will take offense to that characterization, but that's just defensive mental gymnastics to justify supporting him for "policy" reasons.

If you'd asked me 10 years ago during the Obama era, I'd have given good odds the GOP would actually widen the tent, actively court Latinos for their obvious ideological commonalities, and gain a firm and lasting hold on that segment of the electorate. But then, Trump.

 

[Splenda88]

Lol. I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.

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[PainInTheAnes]

I used to agree with that - it seems very much that the Latino Christian culture would be a natural fit for the conservative Republican party that we used to have.

However the GOP under Trump is virulently anti-immigrant and about as anti-Christian (in deed - they certainly still claim to be good Christians) as I can imagine. I'm sure some Christian Trump voters here will take offense to that characterization, but that's just defensive mental gymnastics to justify supporting him for "policy" reasons.

If you'd asked me 10 years ago during the Obama era, I'd have given good odds the GOP would actually widen the tent, actively court Latinos for their obvious ideological commonalities, and gain a firm and lasting hold on that segment of the electorate. But then, Trump.

They do actively court Latinos, the campaign ads just don’t show up for you because you’re not Latino.

Increases in vote share with demographic groups don’t just happen without some effort

 

[K-hole]

Lol. I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.

What to know about Trump Mobile, the Trump Organization's new phone plan

The Trump family's real estate business enters the vast U.S. telecom market.

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Trump Mobile

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Ya but Hunter Biden sold paintings so both sides are bad.

 

[aneftp]

Lol. I feel like I am leaving in an alternate universe.

What to know about Trump Mobile, the Trump Organization's new phone plan

The Trump family's real estate business enters the vast U.S. telecom market.

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Trump Mobile

Trump Mobile is compatible with most cell phones. To find out if your phone will work on our network, follow our easy-to-use verification guide.

trumpmobile.com

Most third party phone plans run off leased wireless networks (given lower priority) off the big 3 carriers and can be very successful. Look at mint mobile (founded in 2015 by some other dude) and how ryan reynolds brought 1/4 of mint mobile in 2019 and Tmobile (the same company) Mint mobile leased the wireless network from purchased Mint mobile for 1.3 billion

Imagine just leasing (virtual network) wireless space from att/verizon/tmobile and growing so much that the big 3 buy you out.

That's what Trump phone is trying to accompished.

I'm a cell phone junkie, most of us have post paid plans because family plans with 4-5 lines make sense becuase of the way post paid plans are marketed (4-5 lines average $30-40 a line) but if you have one single line and go with the big 3, it will cost you $80/month.

.But many americans are on 1-2 line plans and prepaid is the way to go. That's what Trump phone is going after.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Do you support the arrest of American citizens by masked ICE officers who don’t identify themselves and as far as I can tell don’t have the authority to arrest American citizens? If you do not support that then you shouldn’t allow a passive acceptance, which you did with your post. If you do support that, wth is wrong with you?

I really don’t understand posts like yours. Have the cajones to call something very obviously wrong, wrong.

As with most of these sensationalist one off incidents, there’s likely more to the story than is being told. I know this is like fresh meat for liberals on computers looking for an outrage hit though

 

[Splenda88]

Most third party phone plans run off leased wireless networks (given lower priority) off the big 3 carriers and can be very successful. Look at mint mobile (founded in 2015 by some other dude) and how ryan reynolds brought 1/4 of mint mobile in 2019 and Tmobile (the same company) Mint mobile leased the wireless network from purchased Mint mobile for 1.3 billion

Imagine just leasing (virtual network) wireless space from att/verizon/tmobile and growing so much that the big 3 buy you out.

That's what Trump phone is trying to accompished.

I'm a cell phone junkie, most of us have post paid plans because family plans with 4-5 lines make sense becuase of the way post paid plans are marketed (4-5 lines average $30-40 a line) but if you have one single line and go with the big 3, it will cost you $80/month.

.But many americans are on 1-2 line plans and prepaid is the way to go. That's what Trump phone is going after.

Weren't Trump/MAGA complaining about Hunter making money off the Biden presidency?

Do the country need another Trump BS designed to enrich his family?

 

[rowsdower88]

It's especially weird considering that the right and especially MAGA's core gripe is that the government is too big, too powerful, and too heavy with its boot on the neck of the people.

Or maybe they're cool with the boot if it's on the neck of people they don't like.


I'm honestly surprised that none of these masked men (who refuse to identify themselves or produce warrants when snatching people) have been shot yet. Seems like that'd be a natural reaction to getting assaulted in such a manner. Maybe the people they're grabbing aren't so dangerous after all.

Do the masked men have more records of domestic violence than those being grabbed? /s

 

[aneftp]

I used to agree with that - it seems very much that the Latino Christian culture would be a natural fit for the conservative Republican party that we used to have.

However the GOP under Trump is virulently anti-immigrant and about as anti-Christian (in deed - they certainly still claim to be good Christians) as I can imagine. I'm sure some Christian Trump voters here will take offense to that characterization, but that's just defensive mental gymnastics to justify supporting him for "policy" reasons.

If you'd asked me 10 years ago during the Obama era, I'd have given good odds the GOP would actually widen the tent, actively court Latinos for their obvious ideological commonalities, and gain a firm and lasting hold on that segment of the electorate. But then, Trump.

I think trump won 54% of the male Latino voters. And 36%? Of the female Latino votes? 44% overall it’s a staggering number.

I don’t think you can group Latinos into one group since it consist of so many nationalities

I don’t believe in the Christian be a good person rhetoric. I think 90% of that is bs. But it sells agendas and works. And trump is a salesman.

But at the same time. The democratic message for the Latin votes has failed as well. I think it’s becuase the Dems focus so much on women. They forgot the other half of the population.

 

[Splenda88]

I think trump won 54% of the male Latino voters. And 36%? Of the female Latino votes? 44% overall it’s a staggering number.

I don’t think you can group Latinos into one group since it consist of so many nationalities

I don’t believe in the Christian be a good person rhetoric. I think 90% of that is bs. But it sells agendas and works. And trump is a salesman.

But at the same time. The democratic message for the Latin votes has failed as well. I think it’s becuase the Dems focus so much on women. They forgot the other half of the population.

I spent a total of 6 yrs of my life in 2 Spanish countries. I speak the language. Their culture is more male centric than the US.