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lol Oxford educated Mehdi Hasan vs rednecks who couldn’t pass algebra let alone calculus. Fwiw his brother is a spine surgeon in LA.
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lol Oxford educated Mehdi Hasan vs rednecks who couldn’t pass algebra let alone calculus. Fwiw his brother is a spine surgeon in LA.
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I’m over an hour in and there’s little to no effort to even debate the fact that Donald Trump is pro-criminal (as a criminal himself), that he’s against the constitution, that the United States benefits from immigration, or that the United States is supporting ethic cleansing in Gaza. That doesn’t even touch the admitted fascism and catholic nationalism/autocracy, pro Nazi, anti Democracy arguments that occur from the crowd. What a sad scared far right group.
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Seeing these kind of people would have been shocking and disturbing 5 years ago. But thanks to the president whose entire campaign and presidency is built around spewing hatred against immigrants, non-Christians and LGBTQ, this sort of behavior seems completely normalized.
Shocking when you think about it that these people represent majority of MAGA base.
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The pedophile rapist releases the MLK files, but not the Epstein files. Interesting. What a clown.
Epstein did not kill himself.
Epstein did not kill himself.
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This is a group of "far right" people in the video but what's troubling is the fact that their views seem to be shared by the vast majority of the online right, which represents a heck of a lot more people. I say this based on what I see on twitter and other social media. You can say what you want about the left/Dems/liberals, but there is only one side that has been advocating for and calling for bringing an end to democracy, i/e: authoritarianism/dictatorship/fascism. And this is not something you see infrequently. You see the online right talking about this stuff all the time. I don't see anyone on the left talking about ending democracy and our way of life and governance, even when I'm on bluesky.
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JD Vance Visited the Murdochs Right Before the WSJ Dropped Trump’s Letter to Epstein
The vice president’s mysterious little trip to Montana might be more devious than we think.
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I agree with the top comment
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"The head of FEMA’s Urban Search and Rescue branch, which runs a network of teams stationed across the country that can swiftly respond to natural disasters, resigned on Monday.
Ken Pagurek’s departure comes less than three weeks after a delayed FEMA response to catastrophic flooding in central Texas caused by bureaucratic hurdles put in place by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the disaster response agency.
Pagurek told colleagues at FEMA that the delay was the tipping point that led to his voluntary departure after months of frustration with the Trump administration’s efforts to dismantle the agency, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. It took more than 72 hours after the flooding for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to authorize the deployment of FEMA’s search and rescue network...
Pagurek, who declined to comment, joins dozens of high-ranking officials to leave FEMA since Trump took office, as the agency undergoes a major overhaul and faces plummeting morale and a brain drain from the departure of longtime leaders...
As CNN first reported, FEMA leaders were unable to quickly mobilize some critical resources, including these elite teams, in the crucial first hours of the Texas floods. The holdup stemmed from a new rule imposed by Noem, who continues to require her personal approval for every contract and grant over $100,000 before funds can be released – a threshold that FEMA officials called “pennies” during a disaster response."
At least one poster on here, maybe others, believes that "moving fast and shaking things up" is a primary virtue of the Trump administration. That the need for chaos in government will ultimately lead to better outcomes because the perceived complacency is worse.
This is a mistake. Trump is just breaking things and often just putting more red tape into the system than there was beforehand.
Ken Pagurek’s departure comes less than three weeks after a delayed FEMA response to catastrophic flooding in central Texas caused by bureaucratic hurdles put in place by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the disaster response agency.
Pagurek told colleagues at FEMA that the delay was the tipping point that led to his voluntary departure after months of frustration with the Trump administration’s efforts to dismantle the agency, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. It took more than 72 hours after the flooding for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to authorize the deployment of FEMA’s search and rescue network...
Pagurek, who declined to comment, joins dozens of high-ranking officials to leave FEMA since Trump took office, as the agency undergoes a major overhaul and faces plummeting morale and a brain drain from the departure of longtime leaders...
As CNN first reported, FEMA leaders were unable to quickly mobilize some critical resources, including these elite teams, in the crucial first hours of the Texas floods. The holdup stemmed from a new rule imposed by Noem, who continues to require her personal approval for every contract and grant over $100,000 before funds can be released – a threshold that FEMA officials called “pennies” during a disaster response."
At least one poster on here, maybe others, believes that "moving fast and shaking things up" is a primary virtue of the Trump administration. That the need for chaos in government will ultimately lead to better outcomes because the perceived complacency is worse.
This is a mistake. Trump is just breaking things and often just putting more red tape into the system than there was beforehand.
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JD Vance Visited the Murdochs Right Before the WSJ Dropped Trump’s Letter to Epstein
The vice president’s mysterious little trip to Montana might be more devious than we think.www.esquire.com
Doesn’t add up. Trump is mortal and not long for this world. Vance risks too much by angering the Trump true-believers. No way he did this on his own (or at the behest of Peter Thiel). He was directed to have that meeting by the Trump team. The meeting (and the leaking of it) was done to give Trump a cushion in case the distraction and subsequent calls of “Fake News” fell flat. Vance is being told by the Trump team that he will be given the keys to the MAGA cult if he’s a good soldier. If Trump even remotely suspects Vance is trying to undermine him, Vance’s political career is over.
The next Trump play is to chat with Ghislaine. She’s still in prison and there could be some convenient new testimony from her soon…stay tuned.
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Andrew, Floyd, Katrina, Sandy, Ian, Hawaii wild fires, Palestine Ohio, any wild fire in California for the past 40 years… It’s almost like now that there is a convenient scapegoat in an administration you don’t like we can forget that FEMA has been criticized for the bungled and slow walked handling of nearly every major disaster in the past 30 years…
The majority of Hurricane Milton disaster calls to FEMA went unanswered. Why 68,000 Floridians were left in the lurch during their moment of need
With Floridians facing billions in uninsured losses, many are left to rebuild with limited aid and insurance.
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JD Vance rips Biden and Harris over FEMA response to Hurricane Helene: ‘Like the DMV on an industrial scale’
“From the get-go, you should have imposed military-style command and control,” the Republican VP nominee told ‘Fox & Friends’
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Andrew, Floyd, Katrina, Sandy, Ian, Hawaii wild fires, Palestine Ohio, any wild fire in California for the past 40 years… It’s almost like now that there is a convenient scapegoat in an administration you don’t like we can forget that FEMA has been criticized for the bungled and slow walked handling of nearly every major disaster in the past 30 years…
The majority of Hurricane Milton disaster calls to FEMA went unanswered. Why 68,000 Floridians were left in the lurch during their moment of need
With Floridians facing billions in uninsured losses, many are left to rebuild with limited aid and insurance.
JD Vance rips Biden and Harris over FEMA response to Hurricane Helene: ‘Like the DMV on an industrial scale’
“From the get-go, you should have imposed military-style command and control,” the Republican VP nominee told ‘Fox & Friends’
Which administration/political party has been wanting to increase FEMA funding and responsiveness and which has been curtailing that effort?
From the second article you shared: "On October 11, President Biden said that Congress needed to pass increased funding for FEMA."
Which administration increased FEMA funding and grants aimed at disaster preparedness?
"On March 23, 2024, President Biden signed into law Further Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2024, authorizing funding for FEMA’s Hazard Mitigation Assistance Pre-Disaster Mitigation grant program."
Which administration is curtailing that funding in rural communities?
You're trying to say all criticism leveled is fair and that both parties are the same on this issue. That's not true.
Showing me three articles (one of which is just JD Vance bloviating) to demonstrate that criticism of FEMA in the past is right and proper doesn't get me to the point where I would agree with mass attrition and increasing red tape as positive steps for the agency.
I assume you see staff attrition at least as a serious problem right? What is the Trump administration going to do about this? Like... we agree these are negative events transpiring currently I hope.
Edit: Which administration just wants to end FEMA entirely? Lol
"Donald Trump said on Tuesday he planned to start “phasing out” the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) after the hurricane season and that states would receive less federal aid to respond to natural disasters.
Trump also said he planned to distribute disaster relief funds directly from the president’s office."
Trump plans on ‘phasing out’ Fema disaster agency after hurricane season
President says disaster relief funds will be distributed from White House: ‘We’re going to give out less money’
No issues with backroom deals, government transparency, bipartisan oversight, etc...
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We have presidents democrats and republicans and congressional leaders who are C students
Our leaders aren’t the smartest bulbs. They just hustle and get to the top. That’s just how life works.
So someone not able to pass algebra doesn’t mean anything. Most docs aren’t that wise at finance either. Everyone has their strengths and weakness
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The Catholic fascist has lost his job. He has already set up a gofundme and has raised over $20k. That lady who called a child the n-word and raised >$100k really tapped into a niche of right wing angst and profligacy.
"The self-proclaimed Catholic fascist who recently appeared on an episode of Surrounded by the popular YouTube channel Jubilee has lost his job following the programme’s release...
Connor, who uses the online name “Pinesap”, explained that he would prefer an autocratic state aligned with Catholic teaching over democracy. He went on to reference Carl Schmitt, a German philosopher who collaborated with the Nazis, after which Hasan challenged Connor on whether he was a Nazi. Connor appeared to avoid denouncing Nazi totalitarianism and, when asked whether he was a fascist, replied: “Yeah, I am,” to scattered applause around the studio...
Following his dismissal from an unspecified job, Connor created a “GiveSendGo” page under the title Fired for my Political Beliefs. In the description, he explained that as a result of Sunday’s episode, he was “subsequently released from my job”, claiming that voicing “fully legal traditional right-wing political views results in real consequences”.
Initially set up to raise $15,000, the fundraiser has already surpassed $21,000. Donors have contributed as much as $500, leaving comments such as: “Don’t forget who you are. The blood that built all of Western civilisation runs through your veins” and “I love mass deportations.”
Self-proclaimed Catholic fascist fired after Jubilee appearance
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And shame on Jubilee for platforming these people. This only helps normalize this sort of behavior. Mehdi was completely caught off guard and still did an amazing job. In his own words:
“I thought I was going to be debating far right conservatives.. Not fascists”.
“I thought I was going to be debating far right conservatives.. Not fascists”.
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"Political games" = Doing the job of Congress
Good move. They are off 5 weeks anyways to after Labor Day. The public interest dies down by than. Americans are very forgetful. That’s why major legislation are never passed weekends before general elections. And early in the term.
Epstein has been dead for 6 years anyways.
Hookers and hoes. It’s as old as times. Even the NFLPA strip joint using business expenses is a bigger story than the old Epstein files.
Now why doesn’t manhattans DA bragg go after the national football association. They are primary based in manhattan headquarter for doing illegal tax deductions to pay for strip joints visits.
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She better watch out or she might kill herself!
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You forgot children. So, it should read “hookers and hoes and children.”
Your “agent of chaos” President is a pedophile child rapist. He participated in human trafficking.
I guess we should be used to it by now. The Catholic Church allowed and covered up pedophilia and child raping and continues to talk at society regarding “morality.”
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Which administration/political party has been wanting to increase FEMA funding and responsiveness and which has been curtailing that effort?
From the second article you shared: "On October 11, President Biden said that Congress needed to pass increased funding for FEMA."
Which administration increased FEMA funding and grants aimed at disaster preparedness?
"On March 23, 2024, President Biden signed into law Further Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2024, authorizing funding for FEMA’s Hazard Mitigation Assistance Pre-Disaster Mitigation grant program."
Which administration is curtailing that funding in rural communities?
You're trying to say all criticism leveled is fair and that both parties are the same on this issue. That's not true.
Showing me three articles (one of which is just JD Vance bloviating) to demonstrate that criticism of FEMA in the past is right and proper doesn't get me to the point where I would agree with mass attrition and increasing red tape as positive steps for the agency.
I assume you see staff attrition at least as a serious problem right? What is the Trump administration going to do about this? Like... we agree these are negative events transpiring currently I hope.
Edit: Which administration just wants to end FEMA entirely? Lol
"Donald Trump said on Tuesday he planned to start “phasing out” the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) after the hurricane season and that states would receive less federal aid to respond to natural disasters.
Trump also said he planned to distribute disaster relief funds directly from the president’s office."
Trump plans on ‘phasing out’ Fema disaster agency after hurricane season
President says disaster relief funds will be distributed from White House: ‘We’re going to give out less money’www.theguardian.com
No issues with backroom deals, government transparency, bipartisan oversight, etc...
Throwing money at a program that fails the same way every time instead of addressing the actual problem kinda explains bureaucracy and govt bloat in a nutshell.
It’s almost like the response and recovery phases of emergency management are not best managed at the federal level…if the system isn’t working, change the system.
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I went down a right wing podcast rabbit hole and think you’re right about their playbook. They are already setting it up that the FBI inserted Trump details into the files and that he is being framed. Maybe ghislane testifies that he wasn’t involved and will get out of jail?
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Go back and read the articles you shared.
The chief complaint is that there weren't enough people to answer phones during times of emergency.
Either we label that a failure and a result of "bureaucracy and government bloat" requiring funding cuts, trim 20% of staff, increase red tape, and reduce oversight... or we increase funding to pay for more people to answer phones.
Which problems is the Trump administration trying to solve with FEMA based on the policy and staffing changes they have made? He's just breaking things.
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There's a discussion to be had there. I'm not sure it's true that it's a better scheme to granularize emergency management though. The very nature of these large disasters is such that local/state resources aren't sufficient and and that outside help is essential.
Kind of like the way wildfires can never, ever be contained by local resources. Firefighters from other areas respond. Sometimes from other states. Sometimes from other countries. When CA was burning a while ago and Canada sent help, certain partisan bozo hacks took that as evidence of CA's negligence, when it was just systems working as designed.
Of course, this administration doesn't seem to be having that discussion at all.
Are they actually changing the system?
New organization? Shift to state-level organizations? New plans?
It appears they just destroying things.
I think their real objective is to further damage government services to support their premise that government is broken.
The sad irony is that if Trumpian doctrine wins out and FEMA becomes SEMA, it's going to be wealthy blue states like California that'll be better able to take care of themselves, compared to poor red states like ones between Texas and Florida.
People get the government they deserve, I guess.
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No doubt they aren’t sufficient, but the universal critique is almost always how long it takes to roll out the federal response. A robust local response that is well prepared and conditioned to respond to and anticipate disasters would go a long way in mitigating the damage and cost to local communities. Most communities are woefully underprepared.
Maybe, but in typical American fashion, we spend to the tune of *40 billion dollars a year on disaster management. More than the next 10 countries combined both gross and per capita.
The overall satisfaction with the services provided pales in comparison to those counties (Canada, Japan, Australia, etc.)
I think there is an argument it’s already pretty damaged.
That could likely turn out to be true. I’m not all in on a Trump an by any means, but there is at least lip service to streamlining processes, and decentralization of emergency management services.
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Right, because I’ve seen a lot in the news about the new system he has designed.
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These are just buzz words.
Is it "streamlining a process" to delay grants by enacting a rule requiring reknowned dog slaughterer Kristi Noem to sign off on anything >$100k?
No.
There's no reason to give these people the benefit of the doubt here. They aren't "streamlining processes" and their bold approach to "decentralization" is just gutting a useful Congressionally appropriated agency.
If we had a competent administration trying to decentralize FEMA, I would not think it's a bad thing. Some of these things should be handled first by the states IMO. The fed or other states can step in if they need help.
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I don't know if this is actually true, but it sure seems like we have way more natural disasters than most other places.
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This is what the National Guard should be. Instead of the small scale state vanity military they pretend to be, complete with tanks and fighter jets and other absurdities. Maybe they should sell the artillery to the army and buy some more shovels and MREs to put in a warehouse somewhere.
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Maybe 50 different emergency response systems could coordinate better than an improved centralized system for tackling wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes that when combatting often requires coordination across state lines; but I'm skeptical.
The best argument for centralizing knowledge and resources with FEMA is the same argument we use for insurance. Lots of people contributing a little amount to have quality care for rare events. The degree we require each person to contribute is fine to dispute. Maybe we want to only have 10% of emergency phone calls answered when these emergencies happen. That could be something Florida allows and California works to prevent.
I want the vast majority of phone calls answered so I'm fine with politicians appropriating funds to pay for it.
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You are pretty much highlighting the exact problem here. When a robust disaster response system consists of preparedness, prevention, mitigation, response, and recovery, focusing on spending MORE billions on people to “answer the phones” is missing the forest for the trees. Not to mention, it’s a very Jerry Lewis 80s telethon solution to a modern day problem.
Again, look at how much we spend, look at the perceived ROI… we are doing something wrong.
Well I guess it’s a good thing there is only so much that can be done from a purely executive standpoint that can’t quickly be undone by the next administration. However, a FEMA review counsel and a simplified block repayment (stream lining) process is something I can get behind.
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I don’t know enough about this to say you are unequivocally right, but I would assume that is a true statement, at least on par with other large geographically diverse counties. I’m not sure how that correlates to financial impact and death tolls but I’m interested.
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Why did you link those articles if they didn't represent the problems you associated with FEMA? The chief complaint was inadequate phone service. Are you now ok with FEMA as it operates currently? What problems do you want them to focus on?
I take the poor phone service as a legitimate problem. If you have an emergency, and you need help, are you going to text someone? Email? What if the electricity is out (no TV) but your phone has battery life? This seems like a real problem to me and the people complaining about it seem to take it seriously enough.
As far as "perceived ROI", that's a product of the media environment you consume.
Costs even more money to rehire talent if they're even willing. But yeah, the next administration has a lot to undo.
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Because the argument before your post today, as brought up by several posters, highlighted the lack of phone service during Texas floods. I posted articles that show this has been an issue for years.
I then spoke in general to (almost) every FEMA response to a major disaster has been universally panned for slow response and mobilization. Harvey? maybe a few others would be an exception.
I assumed that was common knowledge, and it’s easily verifiable with a quick search.
Anyway, I think FEMA is a quirky, slow moving government machine and I want more bang for my buck. I think it’s a bad sign when a private large chain grocery store (HEB in Texas) can mobilize an emergency response and have temporary
hosing and a food bank up and running within 24hrs of the disaster in Kerrville and receive higher praise than the federal agency whose sole function is emergency management.
“Phones” are definitely a problem, but far from the only problem. Our disaster response seems to be much more reliant on a central phone service than many other developed counties (Japan, Australia, UK, Canada), and we have less digital access and tech support. Yet we spend more and have lower public favorability for our services.
Not really. Again post disaster survey analysis suggests most people are routinely unsatisfied with FEMA disaster response (with few exceptions). And unfortunately that tends to affect people of low SES or otherwise marginalized populations the most.
Is fema giving out huge bonus to rehire people?
This is type of workers there are at fema during Joe Biden last year.
It’s the govt. they will do their bare essential job and nothing else.
Just read this post. It’s just a sample of the type of workers you are dealing with at fema or wanna be fema workers.
So is next democratic admin gonna to let fema workers work from home remotely and rehab homes on the side for extra cash?
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That use of the NG was a tragedy and a travesty during the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. Not at all what they signed up for, and they weren't well trained or equipped for the job.
When I was a GMO, I was deployed as part of an active Marine infantry battalion in Afghanistan. When we were relocating from Bagram to an area closer to the Pakistani border, the Marines tried to turn over some tasks to a NG unit and just couldn't do it. They didn't have people with the right experience, they didn't have the equipment. We ended up leaving two platoons sitting in Bagram for the remainder of the deployment to cover a QRF because the NG guys were just untrained and ineffective. No slight to them; it was just ridiculous that they were deployed there in the first place.
Other NG units we worked near were much better equipped and prepared. But they never should've been asked to go either.
Add it to the list of things our leadership boned up during the WOT, I guess.
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Then you could have shared that "common knowledge" critique then.
Is there media that criticizes HEB when they don't perform as expected or get something wrong in their humanitarian efforts? My guess would be no. Its not a realistic comparison. You're closer when you talk about other countries, but there are plenty of factors you and I don't know about that complicate this assessment. Is their per capita spending higher than ours for emergency services? Is there more of a social taboo about criticizing government services (or other cultural differences)? Do their governments unify on important things like having enough telephone operators (or whatever their public is demanding) and actually appropriate funds for them?
Maybe you do have these answers and Japan et al have better services for a cheaper price and they do it on their state equivalent level as opposed to a Federal level. I don't know, but I'm skeptical that the Trump approach of breaking FEMA and hoping something better will result will reflect other countries successes. (The important question)
I didn't say it was the only factor. But the media environment you consume is A factor in how you perceive government services and how much they benefit you. If your media diet consists of how welfare queens are using up all of the government services and you believe there is rampant fraud in FEMA grants, then that is definitely going to color how you perceive their response in an emergency.
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Can't speak for others, but if I was demoralized by my experience working for an organization and fired despite performing adequately, I would require more money to come back even if I was inclined towards government work.
We'll see how future administrations are able to reckon with the Trump years. It might be impossible to recreate FEMA, USAID, Department of Ed, DOJ, etc... seems like there's a lot of demoralization going on in most departments. Repair could be further complicated by SCOTUS.
The source I cited earlier described it as a "brain drain" from FEMA. I don't know if the posters in your reddit thread would be considered part of the brain drain or not.
As with most things, you get what you pay for.
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EPA just drafted a plan to repeal the decades-old declaration that established how greenhouse gases and pollution are a problem. This would erase all current limits on greenhouse gas pollution. It's almost unbelievable the scale of damage Trump is wreaking.
Hey now,
We will have coke with cane sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup.
The man is a hero
Trump is trolling all of us.
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Tough on crime. Deporting gardeners with weed whackers while repatriating machete wielding murderers.
“Mr. Hanid Ortiz was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2023 for a triple homicide committed in Madrid in 2016, according to the court documents and Spanish news media coverage.
The court records say that Mr. Hanid Ortiz is a former member of the U.S. military who had planned to murder a lawyer who had a relationship with his wife. But on the June day in 2016 when he arrived at the lawyer’s office in Madrid and did not find his target, he killed two women there, as well as a man who he mistakenly believed was the lawyer.
The deaths were violent, according to an extradition request by the Spanish government that was included in the Venezuelan records. One of the women, Elisa Consuegra, was killed with a large knife or machete. The second woman, Maritza Osorio, and the man, were probably killed with an iron bar. Afterward, Mr. Hanid Ortiz lit the office on fire in an attempt to cover up his crime, then fled to Germany and eventually to Venezuela.
The Spanish government tried to extradite Mr. Hanid Ortiz, but the Venezuelan Constitution prohibits the extradition of Venezuelan citizens. This led Mr. Hanid Ortiz to be tried in Venezuela, which allows Venezuelans to be tried for crimes committed outside the country.“
“Mr. Hanid Ortiz was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2023 for a triple homicide committed in Madrid in 2016, according to the court documents and Spanish news media coverage.
The court records say that Mr. Hanid Ortiz is a former member of the U.S. military who had planned to murder a lawyer who had a relationship with his wife. But on the June day in 2016 when he arrived at the lawyer’s office in Madrid and did not find his target, he killed two women there, as well as a man who he mistakenly believed was the lawyer.
The deaths were violent, according to an extradition request by the Spanish government that was included in the Venezuelan records. One of the women, Elisa Consuegra, was killed with a large knife or machete. The second woman, Maritza Osorio, and the man, were probably killed with an iron bar. Afterward, Mr. Hanid Ortiz lit the office on fire in an attempt to cover up his crime, then fled to Germany and eventually to Venezuela.
The Spanish government tried to extradite Mr. Hanid Ortiz, but the Venezuelan Constitution prohibits the extradition of Venezuelan citizens. This led Mr. Hanid Ortiz to be tried in Venezuela, which allows Venezuelans to be tried for crimes committed outside the country.“
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Yeah, but at least m&ms won’t be colorful anymore. We’re talking real wins for the people here.
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LOL at the notion that MAGA is going to start caring about their rapist president.
Catholics cared because the there was an unexpected reveal about priests raping kids and being systematically protected by the church. And it was their kids getting raped, after all.
MAGA doesn't care about Trump raping anyone.
