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[Southpaw]

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Sounds like you’d be happy to have some tough on crime DAs in large cities, where most gun crime happens?

Yes, absolutely.

 

[Southpaw]

Decent points that are practical impossibilities and fantasy land stuff.

The leftist gun violence argument goes something like “I wish bad people didn’t do bad things, and we should crack down on people who have guns. Except we shouldn’t increase penalties for illegal gun ownership because that punishes people in OUR political coalition. Let’s take them from people who own them legally instead (conservatives), because you never know when one of them will snap!”

Make weapons charges 20-life and watch gun violence vanish from Americas cities. I’m guessing one of your priorities is NOT the safety of poor populations in Americas cities though, never has been.

You’re guessing my priorities? Seems on brand.

 

[smq123]

Yeah as much as I don’t care about what happens to people like him, I just found out that he has two young children (1 and 3 years old). This is the worst part about this whole affair. I think we all agree that no child deserves to have his/ her parent taken away.

Charlie Kirk once said: “If I had a 10-year-old daughter who was sexually assaulted and became pregnant as a result, I would require her to carry the pregnancy to term.”

And I feel sad that some day his daughter will have to unpack that sentence, and its implications, by herself. And that she’s going to have to unpack that without the ability to talk to her father about it.

I don’t think he deserved it. But I’m not sad that it happened. I’m sad for the fallout and the consequences for his family.

 

[Splenda88]

Charlie Kirk once said: “If I had a 10-year-old daughter who was sexually assaulted and became pregnant as a result, I would require her to carry the pregnancy to term.”

And I feel sad that some day his daughter will have to unpack that sentence, and its implications, by herself. And that she’s going to have to unpack that without the ability to talk to her father about it.

I don’t think he deserved it. But I’m not sad that it happened. I’m sad for the fallout and the consequences for his family.

People say stuff like that but they don't really mean it because they think it will never happen to them.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Yes, absolutely.

Not very liberal of you

 

[DocMcCoy]

I got statues?

Pink pigs

 

[Southpaw]

Not very liberal of you

Wrong

 

[arkgal]

Police brutality isn't limited to white police officers. In 2024, several Memphis police officers beat a man to death. Black officers, black subject. Where were the riots protesting the death of Tyre Nichols?

Tyre Nichols: Three ex-officers face trial over fatal assault

Three former police officers have pleaded not guilty to charges over the fatal beating of the 29-year-old.

www.bbc.com

Warning: the video is violent. What's wild is that the state tried three of these officers for murder, and they were acquitted. Justice in this country is a joke.

Tyre Nichols trial: Memphis police officers acquitted of murder charges in beating death

The fatal beating of a black motorist in Memphis triggered nationwide protests against police brutality.

www.bbc.com

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Wrong

Sure buddy:

Charlotte train stabbing suspect had a long criminal history

As politicians present competing explanations for the killing, many Americans grapple with a simple question: How could this happen?

www.usatoday.com

 

[arkgal]

It seems most 2A nuts are Trump supporters. I wonder if the irony escapes them that protection against governments like Trump's administration is precisely the type of tyrannical government the forefathers had in mind when framing the Second Amendment.

 

[rowsdower88]

Police brutality isn't limited to white police officers. In 2024, several Memphis police officers beat a man to death. Black officers, black subject. Where were the riots protesting the death of Tyre Nichols?

Tyre Nichols: Three ex-officers face trial over fatal assault

Three former police officers have pleaded not guilty to charges over the fatal beating of the 29-year-old.

www.bbc.com

Warning: the video is violent. What's wild is that the state tried three of these officers for murder, and they were acquitted. Justice in this country is a joke.

Tyre Nichols trial: Memphis police officers acquitted of murder charges in beating death

The fatal beating of a black motorist in Memphis triggered nationwide protests against police brutality.

www.bbc.com

Not to be a dick, but there were protests for Tyre Nichols.

Tyre Nichols protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the source you cited: "Three former officers charged with murder in the fatal beating of a black man that triggered nationwide protests against police brutality have been acquitted by a state jury in Memphis, Tennessee."

 

[PainInTheAnes]

It seems most 2A nuts are Trump supporters. I wonder if the irony escapes them that protection against governments like Trump's administration is precisely the type of tyrannical government the forefathers had in mind when framing the Second Amendment.

I wonder if the irony escapes Democrats that the sorts of gun control measures they are talking about would make them explicitly vulnerable to the “tyrannical“ government of Donald Trump.

 

[arkgal]

Not to be a dick, but there were protests for Tyre Nichols.

Tyre Nichols protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the source you cited: "Three former officers charged with murder in the fatal beating of a black man that triggered nationwide protests against police brutality have been acquitted by a state jury in Memphis, Tennessee."

They were small compared to the Floyd protests and riots. Barely heard a thing about them on the media.

 

[rowsdower88]

Since we appear to think voicing the mainstream republican platform to a large audience is worthy of condemnation, firing, and apparently assassination to some individuals.

Just ban the speech you don’t like. And the guns…

Ah. You clarified.

Let me clarify my position for you.

I don't believe calls for civil war are "the mainstream republican platform". I believe the people calling for civil war should face condemnation and potentially firing.

I'm not advocating for banning speech by saying that. We've had discussions on free speech in the past, and I'm surprised you're making this claim now.

Jesse Waters on Fox News: "Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us! And what are we gonna do about it? How much political violence are we going to tolerate?”

That's pretty bad. News stations routinely fire hosts for much less. How do I know that? Because MSNBC fired Matthew Dowd for much less in his reaction to the same event.

MSNBC fires analyst Matthew Dowd over Charlie Kirk shooting remarks

Dowd said the slain activist’s words may have fueled the violence that claimed his life, sparking backlash

www.theguardian.com

Fox News and its viewers probably tolerate this sort of rhetoric to a greater extent, to our detriment. So I wouldn't be surprised if they want to continue/encourage this rhetoric on their network.

Again... not banning speech.

 

[DocMcCoy]

It seems most 2A nuts are Trump supporters. I wonder if the irony escapes them that protection against governments like Trump's administration is precisely the type of tyrannical government the forefathers had in mind when framing the Second Amendment.

Most “2 A nuts” it’s the single or one of the most dominant issues they care about. Of course they align with the party that doesn’t want to ban them.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Dude. They built statues for Floyd.

I think the point was that he wasn't a public figure when he was killed.

And even if he was, the most recent killing of a public figure on the left was the Minnesota State Reps.

 

[Splenda88]

Ah. You clarified.

Let me clarify my position for you.

I don't believe calls for civil war are "the mainstream republican platform". I believe the people calling for civil war should face condemnation and potentially firing.

I'm not advocating for banning speech by saying that. We've had discussions on free speech in the past, and I'm surprised you're making this claim now.

Jesse Waters on Fox News: "Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us! And what are we gonna do about it? How much political violence are we going to tolerate?”

That's pretty bad. News stations routinely fire hosts for much less. How do I know that? Because MSNBC fired Matthew Dowd for much less in his reaction to the same event.

MSNBC fires analyst Matthew Dowd over Charlie Kirk shooting remarks

Dowd said the slain activist’s words may have fueled the violence that claimed his life, sparking backlash

www.theguardian.com

Fox News and its viewers probably tolerate this sort of rhetoric to a greater extent, to our detriment. So I wouldn't be surprised if they want to continue/encourage this rhetoric on their network.

Again... not banning speech.

MAGA (not the right) will never accept that they play is huge role in stoking the flame of violence.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Ah. You clarified.

Let me clarify my position for you.

I don't believe calls for civil war are "the mainstream republican platform". I believe the people calling for civil war should face condemnation and potentially firing.

I'm not advocating for banning speech by saying that. We've had discussions on free speech in the past, and I'm surprised you're making this claim now.

Jesse Waters on Fox News: "Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us! And what are we gonna do about it? How much political violence are we going to tolerate?”

That's pretty bad. News stations routinely fire hosts for much less. How do I know that? Because MSNBC fired Matthew Dowd for much less in his reaction to the same event.

MSNBC fires analyst Matthew Dowd over Charlie Kirk shooting remarks

Dowd said the slain activist’s words may have fueled the violence that claimed his life, sparking backlash

www.theguardian.com

Fox News and its viewers probably tolerate this sort of rhetoric to a greater extent, to our detriment.

Again... not banning speech.

If you are limiting the scope of the argument to general calls for violence and the potential repercussions sure. I don’t disagree.

I’m making the claim now because your position compared to others here, looks like retreating to the motte when the sentiment is it’s the inflammatory rhetoric (in Charlie’s case mainstream conservative messaging) that is responsible for his death and shouldn’t be allowed. Unless I’m misinterpreting what I believe is the lefts position.

 

[Gern Blansten]

MAGA (not the right) will never accept that they play is huge role in stoking the flame of violence.

This sounds like you are saying that the violence was justified because Charlie Kirk made people mad by debating about topics that are polarizing.

 

[DocMcCoy]

MAGA (not the right) will never accept that they play is huge role in stoking the flame of violence.

1. Not MAGA
2. Show me one of my 1000s of posts that condones violence or hate towards democrats.
3. I can show you plenty from the left.


This is from our cohort of 120+ IQs that should do better.

 

[arkgal]

Most “2 A nuts” it’s the single or one of the most dominant issues they care about. Of course they align with the party that doesn’t want to ban them.

That's just the thing. Democrats don't want to ban them. Even Gov. Walsh said as much. He owns guns. Democrats want reasonable gun control. There's probably a small extreme leftist group in the Democratic Party that wants them banned, but there's not even a realistic goal.

The paranoia that the government wants to take our weapons when talking about reasonable gun control is astounding.

 

[Splenda88]

This sounds like you are saying that the violence was justified because Charlie Kirk made people mad by debating about topics that are polarizing.

Nah. I actually agree with Charlie stance on social issues. I just don't like the way he approached them.

For instance, I own guns, but I am not going to say after a mass shooting that is small price to pay to have our 2nd amendment after 20 kids in school are slaughtered

 

[Southpaw]

I wonder if the irony escapes Democrats that the sorts of gun control measures they are talking about would make them explicitly vulnerable to the “tyrannical“ government of Donald Trump.

Why? Donald Trump is a troll. He’s invading liberal cities for show. Does he actually care about the violence there? Well if he did he’d also invade Birmingham or Little Rock. No chance of that.

Trump doesn’t want to take away weapons. Well, sure he does for SOME people, as long as it gives his side some political leg up. He doesn’t actually care though.

Come on dude….you’re smarter than this….

 

[rowsdower88]

If you are limiting the scope of the argument to general calls for violence and the potential repercussions sure. I don’t disagree.

I’m making the claim now because your position compared to others here, looks like retreating to the motte when the sentiment is it’s the inflammatory rhetoric (in Charlie’s case mainstream conservative messaging) that is responsible for his death and shouldn’t be allowed. Unless I’m misinterpreting what I believe is the lefts position.

I don't think Charlie's rhetoric should be a justification for his murder.

I also don't think he was just "mainstream conservative messaging". Depends on your perspective I guess, but some of his views I would label pretty extreme.

 

[Splenda88]

1. Not MAGA
2. Show me one of my 1000s of posts that condones violence or hate towards democrats.
3. I can show you plenty from the left.


This is from our cohort of 120+ IQs that should do better.

I am not talking about this thread here. You should have visited tX ( formerly known as twitter) after the lawmakers n MN were gunned down.

 

[Southpaw]

Sure buddy:

Charlotte train stabbing suspect had a long criminal history

As politicians present competing explanations for the killing, many Americans grapple with a simple question: How could this happen?

www.usatoday.com

You asked me what I believed and I told you. Now you’re posting a random news article. Do you have a question for me?

That killing was awful. The guy was obviously mentally ill. She was completely innocent…doing her best trying to live a decent life here as far as I can tell. Charge the criminal and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

FYI she could just as easily have been deported by Trump. You wouldn’t care.

This is what I believe.

 

[Splenda88]

1. Not MAGA
2. Show me one of my 1000s of posts that condones violence or hate towards democrats.
3. I can show you plenty from the left.


This is from our cohort of 120+ IQs that should do better.

It’s insane that these were his literal last words on earth.

Audience member: “how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years?”

Charlie: “Way too many".

audience member: “only five.”

Audience member: "And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?"

Charlie: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"

And then he gets shot a literal second or so later


I am sure you don't really think saying something like that is wise

 

[Southpaw]

It’s insane that these were his literal last words on earth.

Audience member: “how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years?”

Charlie: “Way too many".

audience member: “only five.”

Audience member: "And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?"

Charlie: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"

And then he gets shot a literal second or so later


I am sure you don't really think saying something like that is wise

Why are you surprised by this? He was a provocateur. This was standard fodder for Charlie Kirk. Have you not listened to him at all?

 

[arkgal]

You asked me what I believed and I told you. Now you’re posting a random news article. Do you have a question for me?

That killing was awful. The guy was obviously mentally ill. She was completely innocent…doing her best trying to live a decent life here as far as I can tell. Charge the criminal and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

FYI she could just as easily have been deported by Trump. You wouldn’t care.

This is what I believe.

In another example of our current political climate, the Secretary of Transportation is investigating the incident, stating, "if we find what I think we will find," federal tax dollars will be cut off for Charlotte's light rail. There's absolutely nothing that would have prevented this incident, except perhaps having a security officer in every car, which is impractical. Turning this tragedy into a political target is bad.

 

[DocMcCoy]

That's just the thing. Democrats don't want to ban them. Even Gov. Walsh said as much. He owns guns. Democrats want reasonable gun control. There's probably a small extreme leftist group in the Democratic Party that wants them banned, but there's not even a realistic goal.

The paranoia that the government wants to take our weapons when talking about reasonable gun control is astounding.

The ratchet always tightens. You may actually believe that the end goal is not banning all guns. It’s a stepwise progression and the left is playing the long game. When banning ARs doesn’t stop gun crime and mass shootings, then it’s the high capacity magazines, when that doesn’t work it’s all handguns, when that doesn’t work it’s all high power rifles, etc. it isn’t a slippery slope. It’s a lot easier to govern the masses if they can’t defend themselves. It’s not paranoia, it’s a historical M.O.

 

[Splenda88]

Why are you surprised by this? He was a provocateur. This was standard fodder for Charlie Kirk. Have you not listened to him at all?

I saw him debating college students a few times.

 

[Teillard]

Charlie Kirk once said: “If I had a 10-year-old daughter who was sexually assaulted and became pregnant as a result, I would require her to carry the pregnancy to term.”

And I feel sad that some day his daughter will have to unpack that sentence, and its implications, by herself. And that she’s going to have to unpack that without the ability to talk to her father about it.

I don’t think he deserved it. But I’m not sad that it happened. I’m sad for the fallout and the consequences for his family.

Could not find that explicit quote...found a video of him saying the pregnancy would come to term and deliver. Guy was executed for expressing opinions. If you're not 'sad' that that happened you're implicitly OK with anyone being executed for expressing an opinion.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

You asked me what I believed and I told you. Now you’re posting a random news article. Do you have a question for me?

That killing was awful. The guy was obviously mentally ill. She was completely innocent…doing her best trying to live a decent life here as far as I can tell. Charge the criminal and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

FYI she could just as easily have been deported by Trump. You wouldn’t care.

This is what I believe.

Should the man who killed her have been in prison for life after 14 arrests and convictions instead of free before he murdered her?

 

[arkgal]

The ratchet always tightens. You may actually believe that the end goal is not banning all guns. It’s a stepwise progression and the left is playing the long game. When banning ARs doesn’t stop gun crime and mass shootings, then it’s the high capacity magazines, when that doesn’t work it’s all handguns, when that doesn’t work it’s all high power rifles, etc. it isn’t a slippery slope. It’s a lot easier to govern the masses if they can’t defend themselves. It’s not paranoia, it’s a historical M.O.

That's all paranoid conjecture. Banning the sale of ARs and high-capacity magazines is a reasonable gun control effort. It won't end gun violence tomorrow, because so many are on the streets, but iit will make a difference in a few decades, it will make a difference. No gun control measure is likely going to stop killings immediately. Got to be a long game. Are you ok with endless children dying to protect your sacred right to bear arms?

 

[PainInTheAnes]

I think the point was that he wasn't a public figure when he was killed.

And even if he was, the most recent killing of a public figure on the left was the Minnesota State Reps.

I said killed in public. Not public figure.

The reason Floyd’s death was significant was because it was caught on camera. Just like this one. Floyd’s death wasn’t even intentional, this was.

That’s why I make the point of what will happen because of this. There will be no riots from conservative people about this, no cities burning down, and no renaming of streets to dumb names like “Black Lives Matter Plaza“

The responses are not the same by the two sides to events like this

 

[Splenda88]

In another example of our current political climate, the Secretary of Transportation is investigating the incident, stating, "if we find what I think we will find," federal tax dollars will be cut off for Charlotte's light rail. There's absolutely nothing that would have prevented this incident, except perhaps having a security officer in every car, which is impractical. Turning this tragedy into a political target is bad.

We are living in a MAGA world.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Our enemies have been sowing discord and feeding disinformation for a decade+. They have been wildly successful. The MAGA cult has been eating up like gluttons at a half-price Golden Corral.

For starters, our enemies have a complicit, docile, incompetent, compromised patsy in the White House.



Obviously there isn't going to be any "civil war" - if anyone just stops for a minute and thinks about what that'd look like, it's a ridiculous notion. Roving bands of MAGA-hat wearing guys in pickups with confederate flags exchanging fire with black-bandana'd ANTIFA activists? Deep blue liberal cities full of MS13-led gangs conducting raids into the countryside to slay rural red-staters?

At least we'll know what color armbands to wear!

It is kind of weird that 99.32% of the talk about "civil war" is coming from the right, as this ominous, reluctant, yet strangely eager-sounding, warning. We've been hearing this kind of bravado "if there's a fight we'd win" from the right about civil war in earnest since Trump lost to Biden in 2020. I hear it in person from from time to time from fat LARP'ers and gravy seals at gun ranges.

It's an odd bit of cognitive dissonanse to assume that "leftists" are largely unarmed and helpless, while in the next moment it's all breathless anxiety about gang violence and BLM and MS13 and inner-city gang violence (that needs the National Guard to control!).



Are Illinois corn farmers going to saddle up and "obliterate and relegate to the dust of history" those battle-hardened Chicago gangs? Will they cordon off and lay siege to the city?

🙂

Just pointing out how absolutely ridiculous this talk about "civil war" is.

This is a very thought provoking response. Of course I agree any large scale force on force civil war is laughably preposterous.

Let’s zoom out though. And to be clear, yes both sides are responsible.

-Increasingly violent rhetoric coupled with increasing sentiment that political violence is acceptable.
-stark political and ideological divide.
-low intensity acts of political violence run rampant
-targeted assassinations and assassination attempts on the influential voices of each party.

Historically, this may be viewed from the armchair as our next civil war. Or at the very least our own version of The Troubles.

The kicker is one side has the tenuous backing of the state. That backing can easily flip to the other side every couple of years. Regardless of who is in charge, power will consolidate upwards and the house always wins.

 

[arkgal]

Could not find that explicit quote...found a video of him saying the pregnancy would come to term and deliver. Guy was executed for expressing opinions. If you're not 'sad' that that happened you're implicitly OK with anyone being executed for expressing an opinion.

We don't know for sure that it was a leftist who killed him. Could have easily been a right-winger.

 

[Southpaw]

Should the man who killed her have been in prison for life after 14 arrests and convictions instead of free before he murdered her?

I don’t know what his arrests and convictions were for. I do know from reading he appeared extremely mentally ill and not stable. If his arrests and convictions were appropriate for life in jail - then yes absolutely that’s where he should be.

You’ve got some very weird beliefs to even have this discussion with me. Consider how this convo would go if I said what you wanted me to say. What’s wrong with you?

 

[PainInTheAnes]

I don’t know what his arrests and convictions were for. I do know from reading he appeared extremely mentally ill and not stable. If his arrests and convictions were appropriate for life in jail - then yes absolutely that’s where he should be.

You’ve got some very weird beliefs to even have this discussion with me. Consider how this convo would go if I said what you wanted me to say. What’s wrong with you?

You said you’re liberal and want a tough on crime DA. I said that tough on crime DAs are not liberal. A not tough on crime DA is the reason this guy was even on the street to murder that woman in the first place.

 

[Gern Blansten]

I don't think Charlie's rhetoric should be a justification for his murder.

I also don't think he was just "mainstream conservative messaging". Depends on your perspective I guess, but some of his views I would label pretty extreme.

I have watched Charlie Kirk debate angry people who yell and scream at him. Most of his arguments were as follows:

-Christian belief and morals are a good thing
-Life begins at conception and human life is valuable
-Abortion is bad and should be avoided except in rare case where a mother's life is threatened
-Gender dysphoria should be treated by understanding the underlying mental problem and not by mutilating the bodies of children
-Families are better when both a mother and father are in the home and raising children as opposed to children being raised by a single mother and that fathers should take responsibility for and participate in helping raise their kids (the irony is that his kids will now be raised in a single parent household)
-People in jail are almost always there because they committed crime
-Colleges and professors are brainwashing students with liberal propaganda


So, you think those views are "pretty extreme?" I would say that these beliefs were the fabric of our society thirty years ago (with the exception of the brainwashing by college professors-which did not used to really be a thing). To argue that his beliefs are extreme is concerning, but I am not surprised that you and your ilk have done so.

 

[DocMcCoy]

That's all paranoid conjecture. Banning the sale of ARs and high-capacity magazines is a reasonable gun control effort. It won't end gun violence tomorrow, because so many are on the streets, but iit will make a difference in a few decades, it will make a difference. No gun control measure is likely going to stop killings immediately. Got to be a long game. Are you ok with endless children dying to protect your sacred right to bear arms?

History says otherwise.

Am I “ok with endless children dying to protect” my “sacred right to bear arms?”

What kind of question is that? I’m a father of several young children. Their safety and well being are ALWAYS on my mind. That’s why they go to a guardian school and are trained relentlessly in firearm safety. As well as many of the children in their classes. I also realize that the number men, woman, and children that die due to gun violence will never be zero. As long as guns exist. You have to realize this and accept this to some degree as well since you apparently don’t want to actually BAN guns.

How many lives do we need to get that magical number down to for you to be ok with some form of gun ownership? One, an hundred, a thousand?

 

[DocMcCoy]

I have watched Charlie Kirk debate angry people who yell and scream at him. Most of his arguments were as follows:

-Christian belief and morals are a good thing
-Life begins at conception and human life is valuable
-Abortion is bad and should be avoided except in rare case where a mother's life is threatened
-Gender dysphoria should be treated by understanding the underlying mental problem and not by mutilating the bodies of children
-Families are better when both a mother and father are in the home and raising children as opposed to children being raised by a single mother and that fathers should take responsibility for and participate in helping raise their kids (the irony is that his kids will now be raised in a single parent household)
-People in jail are almost always there because they committed crime
-Colleges and professors are brainwashing students with liberal propaganda


So, you think those views are "pretty extreme?" I would say that these beliefs were the fabric of our society thirty years ago (with the exception of the brainwashing by college professors-which did not used to really be a thing). To argue that his beliefs are extreme is concerning, but I am not surprised that you and your ilk have done so.

That’s what has become “extreme” to the left.

 

[Southpaw]

That’s why I make the point of what will happen because of this. There will be no riots from conservative people about this, no cities burning down, and no renaming of streets to dumb names like “Black Lives Matter Plaza“

Agree it’s very odd to NOT peacefully protest gun violence after Kirk is murdered.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Agree it’s very odd to NOT peacefully protest gun violence after Kirk is murdered.

Conservatives generally aren’t the laptop class who can just pop out for a couple hours for a protest, they’re generally not college students who have zero responsibilities day-to-day, and they generally aren’t the unemployed populations who might be a protest like that.

 

[rowsdower88]

I have watched Charlie Kirk debate angry people who yell and scream at him. Most of his arguments were as follows:

-Christian belief and morals are a good thing
-Life begins at conception and human life is valuable
-Abortion is bad and should be avoided except in rare case where a mother's life is threatened
-Gender dysphoria should be treated by understanding the underlying mental problem and not by mutilating the bodies of children
-Families are better when both a mother and father are in the home and raising children as opposed to children being raised by a single mother and that fathers should take responsibility for and participate in helping raise their kids (the irony is that his kids will now be raised in a single parent household)
-People in jail are almost always there because they committed crime
-Colleges and professors are brainwashing students with liberal propaganda


So, you think those views are "pretty extreme?" I would say that these beliefs were the fabric of our society thirty years ago (with the exception of the brainwashing by college professors-which did not used to really be a thing). To argue that his beliefs are extreme is concerning, but I am not surprised that you and your ilk have done so.

Do you think 10 year olds should be forced to carry a baby to term? Is that a mainstream conservative position from "your ilk"?

 

[Splenda88]

That’s what has become “extreme” to the left.

Charlie Kirk has said extreme things. Post #16327 as an example. We should not pretend he is the standard conservative like Brian Kemp etc...

So you don't think what Laura Loomers and Jessie Waters said were extreme.

 

[Southpaw]

Conservatives generally aren’t the laptop class who can just pop out for a couple hours for a protest, they’re generally not college students who have zero responsibilities day-to-day, and they generally aren’t the unemployed populations who might be a protest like that.

I’m sure that’s the reason they aren’t protesting gun violence today.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Charlie Kirk has said extreme things. Post #16327 as an example. We should not pretend he is the standard conservative like Brian Kemp etc...

So you don't think what Laura Loomers and Jessie Waters said were extreme.

Calls for violence are extreme. Sure.

Sorry though, I disagree that there was anything extreme about what Charlie Kirk said. One of any kind of mass shooting is too many. Gang violence is a a source of mass shootings.

 

[Teillard]

Do you think 10 year olds should be forced to carry a baby to term? Is that a mainstream conservative position from "your ilk"?

Where is the evidence that an abortion is less traumatic to the 10 year old than carrying the pregnancy to term? The trauma of the rape is already there. Who is to say that it isn't heaping trauma on trauma to be dealt with decades later? And who is to say that with loving support and guidance of the adults in the victims life, giving birth to the child, in the end, could not be a healing influence when all is said and done? That's what Charlie Kirk would have done with his daughter...you do you...but get executed for it?