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[maxxor]

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I also read that they were doing better. I don't get why do they need a bailout now after sever austerity measures.

Cuz it didn’t work lol

 

[arkgal]

Yea, kinda nuts when the existing AG is fired because he doesn't think there is enough evidence to file charges. So Trump hires a new one and pressures her to file charges.

Will just be a waste of taxpayer money in the end

Gotta say this about Barr: He saw right through Trump's BS and wasn't afraid to call him out on it.

 

[arkgal]

Make Argentina Great Again

We can't fix our own homeless problem but we are bailing out other countries. Did you know what Japan has less than 2,000 homeless people, in a nation of 124 million? I was shocked to learn that when I visited there in July.

 

[Splenda88]

We can't fix our own homeless problem but we are bailing out other countries. Did you know what Japan has less than 2,000 homeless people, in a nation of 124 million? I was shocked to learn that when I visited there in July.

Well, the top 0.1% (not the 1%) worth 5.54 times than the bottom 50%. There is your answer.

The Fed - Table: Distribution of Household Wealth in the U.S. since 1989

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

www.federalreserve.gov

 

[GravelRider]

I also read that they were doing better. I don't get why do they need a bailout now after sever austerity measures.

It’s hard to have inflation when nobody is spending any money. Sure, inflation has dropped, but economic activity has completely ground to a halt in Argentina.

 

[arkgal]

Well, the top 0.1% (not the 1%) worth 5.54 times than the bottom 50%. There is your answer.

The Fed - Table: Distribution of Household Wealth in the U.S. since 1989

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

www.federalreserve.gov

Do you honestly think a complex social problem can be reduced to a single thing? Japan has had increasing wealth equality since the 1980s.

 

[Splenda88]

Do you honestly think a complex social problem can be reduced to a single thing? Japan has had increasing wealth equality since the 1980s.

They do, but not to the degree that we have it here. We have rigged system that benefits the top 0.1% here.

Obviously, I am not poor as a physician but does it make sense for 132k households have 5.54 times more wealth than 75,000,000 household. It's not sustainable. That is the reason we are starting to see that people get agitated in this country.

Well, Western Europe does not have the homelessness issue to the degree we have it here. Social problems are always complex; I will give you that.

It's just not good for any society for wealth to be that concentrated to a tiny percentage of people.

 

[maxxor]

They do, but not to the degree that we have it here. We have rigged system that benefits the top 0.1% here.

Obviously, I am not poor as a physician but does it make sense for 132k households have 5.54 times more wealth than 75,000,000 household. It's not sustainable. That is the reason we are starting to see that people get agitated in this country.

Well, Western Europe does not have the homelessness issue to the degree we have it here. Social problems are always complex; I will give you that.

It's just not good for any society for wealth to be that concentrated to a tiny percentage of people.

Xi Jinping purged / re educated the billionaires in 2021.

Separately…I enjoy sharing what I stumble across in history books:

"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred."

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

 

[Splenda88]

Xi Jinping purged / re educated the billionaires in 2021.

Separately…I enjoy sharing what I stumble across in history books:

"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred."

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

I am not saying we should not have billionaires .

A clear example a couple of days ago.

Nvidia announced they will invest 100 bil in OpenAI and the same day the market cap of Nvidia has increased by 150 bil. As a result, my net worth has increased as well, but it is just artificial inflation.

 

[Mad Jack]

Figured you’d say that. See, you would know why it’s controversial if you actually read the studies.

Including non-ideological murder or murder with an unknown motive because the assailants were associated with an extremist group at one point in their lives, is controversial, and definitely has an impact on the effect size.

Oh I read

So much to unpack.

It’s not like the government has ever come to bad conclusions with 💩 data, amirite?
💊.

Let’s walk it bad 60 years. You still going to come to the same conclusions about left and right violence?

Again, as if it doesn’t have something to do with how you define extremism, political violence, and the end points?

Show me “demonizing” the marginalized groups by the right you are talking about? Your language and how you interpret the problem IS THE PROBLEM.

It’s all MAGA inflammatory rhetoric? Nothing to do with the inflammatory rhetoric from the left?

“Heh man, look a the changing attitudes on the acceptance of political violence, riots, and bodies getting stacked lately… looks like the left might have a violence problem.”

- “ya I’m not worried about it. Right violence is worse and it’s Trumps fault.”

You wonder why you guys lose all the damn time.

There hasn't been a major riot related to all the George Floyd stuff in literally 4 years. And unlike the right, the left didn't try to riot and raid the offices of government to steal an election. Again, this is all recency bias- Trump's administration has acted in ways that are far outside the political norm and it has led to people that are at the fringes losing their minds, as would happen by the right if the left had someone enacting socialist policies that the right found reprehensible. When social and political norms are upended rapidly, you end up with reactionary nutjobs. We got the neo-Nazis from the right after desegregation, which was the largest social change in our national history, and sent a sliver of people down far-right rabbit holes that festered until the election of Trump. Spend some time on 4chan's /pol/ board if you want to see exactly what those people are like and how many of then there are. Now we have the right trying to bring us back to the 1950s, and it is probably going to set a few loons off on the left.

The pendulum is swinging, and people on the right want to pretend this moment is all there ever was. I legitimately hate both parties in this country, they are detestable groups that lack any moral fiber whatsoever, but Trump's administration has obliterated the very rule of law and separation of powers that I value as a centrist nationalist who puts stability of the nation above all of these stupid political games.

 

[Splenda88]

Oh I read

There hasn't been a major riot related to all the George Floyd stuff in literally 4 years. And unlike the right, the left didn't try to riot and raid the offices of government to steal an election. Again, this is all recency bias- Trump's administration has acted in ways that are far outside the political norm and it has led to people that are at the fringes losing their minds, as would happen by the right if the left had someone enacting socialist policies that the right found reprehensible. When social and political norms are upended rapidly, you end up with reactionary nutjobs. We got the neo-Nazis from the right after desegregation, which was the largest social change in our national history, and sent a sliver of people down far-right rabbit holes that festered until the election of Trump. Spend some time on 4chan's /pol/ board if you want to see exactly what those people are like and how many of then there are. Now we have the right trying to bring us back to the 1950s, and it is probably going to set a few loons off on the left.

The pendulum is swinging, and people on the right want to pretend this moment is all there ever was. I legitimately hate both parties in this country, they are detestable groups that lack any moral fiber whatsoever, but Trump's administration has obliterated the very rule of law and separation of powers that I value as a centrist nationalist who puts stability of the nation above all of these stupid political games.

How did we get to that point? As a republican, I will never understand the Trump phenomenon.

 

[maxxor]

How did we get to that point? As a republican, I will never understand the Trump phenomenon.

Did you grow up in a former slave state? If you did, you will see the confederacy lives again.

 

[Splenda88]

Did you grow up in a former slave state? If you did, you will see the confederacy lives again.

Yeah, but south FL is like NY city.

 

[maxxor]

Yeah, but south FL is like NY city.

Yeah you need to be north of Orlando to be in culturally "southern" Florida.

Where "MAGA" comes from is obvious if you grew up in the states that literally had slave plantations.

 

[Splenda88]

Yeah you need to be north of Orlando to be in culturally "southern" Florida.

Where "MAGA" comes from is obvious if you grew up in the states that literally had slave plantations.

I grew up in south FL but now I live in the deep south (small town). It's madness and I am a republican.

For instance, I used to be against DEI but what I am seeing where I am now it's just insane. Unqualified people are getting job because they know someone or because some cousin attended high school with someone. Still against DEI but it is not so strong anymore

 

[2025DandW]

Sure buddy. When the UC school system had to go with prop 209 in 1996. Asians admissions went up even more and Hispanic and African Americans admissions went down.

Of course after UC saw that happen. UC tries to focus on early outreach academic program which basically only focus on under represented minorities to bypass the affirmative action rulings.

Look it up urself. Affirmative action has capped Asian enrollment artificially as proven and Harvard and the other ivy leagues tried to keep Asians to around 18%

You are living under a rock and in denial.

There are no special outreach programs for Asians because they are not an “under represented minority “

Look up the story of Asian (Indian) male who got into med school than pretended to be a black male with a 3.1 gpa and 31 on mcat. That was funny but the school probably didnt find it funny years later.

Not living under a rock. I am older than you most likely. There were very few Asians or women on campuses of top schools prior to affirmation action. As you say, look it up. Also, I bet the majority of the MAGA crowd/Heritage Foundation could care less about Asians increasing their numbers on college campuses. It is just one way to pit one group against another to reach their ultimate goal of a white, Christian nationalist country.

 

[2025DandW]

It’s going to be interesting to see political extremism climb the rankings in top issues. Another topic dems are going to get trounced on for ‘26 and ‘28.

There is a disconnect between these polls and the results of recent special elections. The Democrats are doing just fine. I am trying to figure out who actually answers these polls. In the past, I answered some before the number of spammers exploded, but I would answer texts, phone calls or emails from someone I don’t know.

 

[Splenda88]

There is a disconnect between these polls and the results of recent special elections. The Democrats are doing just fine. I am trying to figure out who actually answers these polls. In the past, I answered some before the number of spammers exploded, but I would answer texts, phone calls or emails from someone I don’t know.

They are not doing fine. They are in disarray. They no longer control the media like they used to 10+ yrs ago.

 

[maxxor]

I grew up in south FL but now I live in the deep south (small town). It's madness and I am a republican.

For instance, I used to be against DEI but what I am seeing where I am now it's just insane. Unqualified people are getting job because they know someone or because some cousin attended high school with someone. Still against DEI but it is not so strong anymore

might as well have grown up in the northeast. Now you see the “good old boy” network.

I got out of the state I grew up in at high school and will never return to live there because of that crap.

MAGA is the confederacy reborn for a new age. The same people that would fly the battle flag are wearing red hats now.

It’s always been there if you grew up in those areas. Now the south has risen again……

 

[Splenda88]

US DOJ to open grand jury to investigate Obama officials, source says

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi has directed federal prosecutors to launch a grand jury investigation into allegations that members of Democratic former President Barack Obama's administration manufactured intelligence on Russia's interference in the 2016 elections, a source familiar with the...

www.reuters.com

What happened to that investigation? When are they gonna put HUSSEIN Obama in prison? Lol

 

[GravelRider]

US DOJ to open grand jury to investigate Obama officials, source says

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi has directed federal prosecutors to launch a grand jury investigation into allegations that members of Democratic former President Barack Obama's administration manufactured intelligence on Russia's interference in the 2016 elections, a source familiar with the...

www.reuters.com

What happened to that investigation? When are they gonna put HUSSEIN Obama in prison? Lol

Don’t presidents and former presidents have broad immunity now? Or is that only Donald Trump? Seems like yet another waste of resources.

 

[biglurker]

Yea thats nice and everything. But it doesnt really add much to the discussion

"Hey Left wing violence is more of a problem than right wing violence"

How do you know?


"Oh, i see more stories on the news lately"

Ok, but its been widely reported and analyzed over the last 30 years, and right violence has consistently been the much bigger problem... regardless of administration. Homeland security, police and FBI have consistently reported that right wing violence is a bigger concern. So maybe the last few months are just a social outlier related to the current political environment.. probably due to the inflammatory nature of maga.

"Yea, that data was massaged"

Ok, but nobody seemed to be questioning the conclusions over the past 30 years....so suddenly the conclusion is now that the data was massaged?

"Yup"

Ok. Doesnt seem to make much sense. Maybe its because right wing violence is deep rooted in society and this has remained pretty consistent. But maybe the current rise in left wing violence is because maga has taken a sudden and particularly vocal approach to demonizing minorities, the left, gays/trans, etc. That tends to incite retaliation

"Impossible"

Ok..

So then why the sudden increase?

"Leftists have just been waiting, secretly biding their time, waiting until the most controversial and inflammatory populist in decades rose to power"

Ok...but there wasnt this much violence during his first term. So, maybe its that his rhetoric and policies are even more divisive, controversial and targets certain groups of people during his 2nd term

"Impossible, just a coincidence"

Ok..

Cuomo:
“You guys are debating who's more violent, the right or the left … Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck by a guy who thought he was standing up for his trans lover … You're going to make the case that it's all about the right. How stupid do you have to be?”

Chris Cuomo Goes Off On ‘Desperate’ Democrats For Claiming The Right Is More Violent

"Don’t become what you oppose,” he warned of debates over who's stoking more political violence right now.

sg.news.yahoo.com

 

[rowsdower88]

No One Is Sure If It’s Illegal to Accept a $50,000 Bribe Stuffed In a Cava Bag, Thanks to the Supreme Court

This article is part of TPM Cafe, TPM’s home for opinion and news...

talkingpointsmemo.com

Is it illegal to accept a 50k cash bribe stuffed in a bag? Our SCOTUS has made it incredibly difficult to tell.

 

[UscGhost]

They are not doing fine. They are in disarray. They no longer control the media like they used to 10+ yrs ago.

The dems performed well in 2018 mids, 2020, 2022 mids

They didnt perform well in 2024.

We should be fine.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Oh I read

There hasn't been a major riot related to all the George Floyd stuff in literally 4 years. And unlike the right, the left didn't try to riot and raid the offices of government to steal an election. Again, this is all recency bias- Trump's administration has acted in ways that are far outside the political norm and it has led to people that are at the fringes losing their minds, as would happen by the right if the left had someone enacting socialist policies that the right found reprehensible. When social and political norms are upended rapidly, you end up with reactionary nutjobs. We got the neo-Nazis from the right after desegregation, which was the largest social change in our national history, and sent a sliver of people down far-right rabbit holes that festered until the election of Trump. Spend some time on 4chan's /pol/ board if you want to see exactly what those people are like and how many of then there are. Now we have the right trying to bring us back to the 1950s, and it is probably going to set a few loons off on the left.

The pendulum is swinging, and people on the right want to pretend this moment is all there ever was. I legitimately hate both parties in this country, they are detestable groups that lack any moral fiber whatsoever, but Trump's administration has obliterated the very rule of law and separation of powers that I value as a centrist nationalist who puts stability of the nation above all of these stupid political games.

Floyd is old news. Anti ICE is the new battle cry. In a sea full of lone wolf bad actors and isolated events you have J6 from the right. You have hundreds of events and billions of economic damages from the left.

Both parties are trash, we agree on that. At least you can admit the pendulum has swung. The left has a violence problem. Easy to see where you stand on the issue by your verbiage. 💩 on the right all you want. This isn’t our fault.

 

[UscGhost]

Cuomo:
“You guys are debating who's more violent, the right or the left … Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck by a guy who thought he was standing up for his trans lover … You're going to make the case that it's all about the right. How stupid do you have to be?”

Chris Cuomo Goes Off On ‘Desperate’ Democrats For Claiming The Right Is More Violent

"Don’t become what you oppose,” he warned of debates over who's stoking more political violence right now.

sg.news.yahoo.com

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Wait..chris cuomo has a show?

He was just talking about the Dems should use different messaging. Not about getting into a clickbait war with Reps.

Especially since most GOP wont care about the data anyways. Dems tend to focus on facts, which unfortunately many voters don't viscerally respond to, regardless of accuracy.

GOP just abandon truth and facts and go straight to the visceral reactions to generate votes. Can work well since most voters are uneducated and dont have the time/interest to research

 

[2025DandW]

They are not doing fine. They are in disarray. They no longer control the media like they used to 10+ yrs ago.

I am talking about elections. In terms of “controlling the media,” I never got that sense. But, if you feel that way, so be it. Elections are what are important at this stage of the game. Also, people younger than myself get their information in a lot of ways that are outside of the media that existed when I was younger. A lot of information comes from online, and it is difficult to control everything that is out there. Anyway, elections are still what matter. This to shall pass.

 

[Mad Jack]

Floyd is old news. Anti ICE is the new battle cry. In a sea full of lone wolf bad actors and isolated events you have J6 from the right. You have hundreds of events and billions of economic damages from the left.

Both parties are trash, we agree on that. At least you can admit the pendulum has swung. The left has a violence problem. Easy to see where you stand on the issue by your verbiage. 💩 on the right all you want. This isn’t our fault.

I think anyone doing property damage should go to prison, but they aren't representative of "the left." Have you polled them? Not supporting ICE doesn't mean they are leftists, as many Hispanic communities voted in the majority for Trump, and they are also the bulk of those protesting against ICE because deportation operations are devastating their communities. Have you evaluated what their political views are? Statistically, if they are Hispanic men, 55% of them voted for Trump, and yet you say this is a "left" problem. Being against one of Trump's specific policies does not mean one is automatically a part of "the left," so your black and white view of things betrays your position and biases, if anything.

Regardless of their political views, rioters and those assaulting officers or interfering with arrests should be held accountable by the law. They are not the majority of protestors, and there are always a few loons in any group looking to start trouble. Look at January 6th- most people there didn't raid the offices, assault officers, or make threats to kill members of the government. Only those engaging in those actions were actually committing insurrection, and they were in the minority.

 

[Chrish]

I'm an Amazon software engineer who wasn't selected for the H-1B visa. I was obsessed with staying in the US‚ but not anymore.

Wen-Hsing Huang always dreamed of working in the US. After three years, though, he's considering leaving and searching for freedom back home.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[DocMcCoy]

think anyone doing property damage should go to prison, but they aren't representative of "the left." Have you polled them? Not supporting ICE doesn't mean they are leftists, as many Hispanic communities voted in the majority for Trump, and they are also the bulk of those protesting against ICE because deportation operations are devastating their communities. Have you evaluated what their political views are? Statistically, if they are Hispanic men, 55% of them voted for Trump, and yet you say this is a "left" problem. Being against one of Trump's specific policies does not mean one is automatically a part of "the left," so your black and white view of things betrays your position and biases, if anything.

COME ON. You are completely manufacturing ambiguity where there is none to obfuscate the issue. Trump voters are not assaulting ice agents, vandalizing, and burning flags. Trump voters aren’t shooting ICE agents, and blowing up Tesla dealerships. Trump voters aren’t assaulting Jewish students on campuses. All regardless of their ethnicity. The perps are literally engraving cartridges that say “this is a left ideological violent attack” and some on the left are still saying, meh can’t really pin it down to an ideology, not enough evidence. 🙄 show me a shred of evidence that Trump voters are committing LEFT ideological violence. That doesn’t even make sense.

Regardless of their political views, rioters and those assaulting officers or interfering with arrests should be held accountable by the law. They are not the majority of protestors, and there are always a few loons in any group looking to start trouble. Look at January 6th- most people there didn't raid the offices, assault officers, or make threats to kill members of the government. Only those engaging in those actions were actually committing insurrection, and they were in the minority.

It’s far beyond just a few loons. Just a few loons aren’t causing billions in damages. This is also the first time I’ve seen someone making your arguments willing to downplay J6 to fit your narrative. But you are right, the economic damage compared to leftist violence was a couple million.

 

[arkgal]

This back-and-forth argument about which side is more violent is pointless. Both radical right and left individuals have the potential for political violence. We are seeing more violence from the radical left because Trump's politics are an unprecedented far right. If we had a far-left president radically changing things in our society, we would likely see more radical right violence. Political violence is political violence. Our leaders should be calling for unity. Instead, Trump and his administration continue with inflammatory rhetoric. He is using these events for political gain by vilifying the left. I will add that the left's leadership should not be calling for people to resist or interfere with the ICE officers. That rhetoric also promotes more political violence. The sanest rhetoric I've heard came from the governor of Utah. He called for unity and stated facts, like that the shooter's gf was trans and she was cooperating, but did not use the situation to vilify transgender people. He sat the example for how Republican leaders should be addressing the nation about the political violence.

If this hasn't been said before, the shooter at the Dallas ICE facility legally bought the gun, an 8mm bolt-action rifle. An assault weapon ban wouldn't have prevented this crime.

 

[UscGhost]

. 🙄 show me a shred of evidence that Trump voters are committing LEFT ideological violence. That doesn’t even make sense.



It’s far beyond just a few loons. Just a few loons aren’t causing billions in damages. This is also the first time I’ve seen someone making your arguments willing to downplay J6 to fit your narrative. But you are right, the economic damage compared to leftist violence was a couple million.

Multiple Michigan members of Congress may have been on Minnesota assassins’ hit list • Michigan Advance

Updated 5:30 p.m. The suspect charged in the assassination of a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband at their home over the weekend had a hit list and various writings that included the name of at least one Michigan official and possibly several others. Vance Luther Boelter, 57, who was...

michiganadvance.com

Did we forget already? He was a conservative evangelical Christian

 

[DocMcCoy]

Multiple Michigan members of Congress may have been on Minnesota assassins’ hit list • Michigan Advance

Updated 5:30 p.m. The suspect charged in the assassination of a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband at their home over the weekend had a hit list and various writings that included the name of at least one Michigan official and possibly several others. Vance Luther Boelter, 57, who was...

michiganadvance.com

Did we forget already? He was a conservative evangelical Christian

Terrible and tragic event. A perfect example of right extremist ideology and violence. What does that have to do with anything I said?

 

[DocMcCoy]

This back-and-forth argument about which side is more violent is pointless. Both radical right and left individuals have the potential for political violence. We are seeing more violence from the radical left because Trump's politics are an unprecedented far right. If we had a far-left president radically changing things in our society, we would likely see more radical right violence. Political violence is political violence. Our leaders should be calling for unity. Instead, Trump and his administration continue with inflammatory rhetoric. He is using these events for political gain by vilifying the left. I will add that the left's leadership should not be calling for people to resist or interfere with the ICE officers. That rhetoric also promotes more political violence. The sanest rhetoric I've heard came from the governor of Utah. He called for unity and stated facts, like that the shooter's gf was trans and she was cooperating, but did not use the situation to vilify transgender people. He sat the example for how Republican leaders should be addressing the nation about the political violence.

If this hasn't been said before, the shooter at the Dallas ICE facility legally bought the gun, an 8mm bolt-action rifle. An assault weapon ban wouldn't have prevented this crime.

Fair enough.

I’m not really interested in who’s worse. I’m interested in acknowledging there is an increase in left violence. I’m concerned about the changing attitudes toward the acceptance of political violence. I’m worried that violence may be tolerated by more than just the extreme fringes of the party and how that can translate to violence being committed by more than just the fringe extremes of a party. And, I think it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s mostly or wholly Trumps fault, which gives further justification for violence.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Fair enough.

I’m not really interested in who’s worse. I’m interested in acknowledging there is an increase in left violence. I’m concerned about the changing attitudes toward the acceptance of political violence. I’m worried that violence may be tolerated by more than just the extreme fringes of the party and how that can translate to violence being committed by more than just the fringe extremes of a party. And, I think it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s mostly or wholly Trumps fault, which gives further justification for violence.

An interesting thought experiment. Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with this in any way.

Guns are legal in the way they are here to help rise up against tyranny, or so I'm constantly told. You don't think some people view what's happening in the US these days as tyranny? ICE is arresting American citizens. Government is actively trying to suppress speech. Rights that people have had their entire lives are being taken away. The super-rich are openly aiding the government in ways that make many people's lives worse. Even if you disagree with each of those points, it would be hard to deny that if you believe these things that it absolutely qualifies as tyranny.

 

[Splenda88]

An interesting thought experiment. Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with this in any way.

Guns are legal in the way they are here to help rise up against tyranny, or so I'm constantly told. You don't think some people view what's happening in the US these days as tyranny? ICE is arresting American citizens. Government is actively trying to suppress speech. Rights that people have had their entire lives are being taken away. The super-rich are openly aiding the government in ways that make many people's lives worse. Even if you disagree with each of those points, it would be hard to deny that if you believe these things that it absolutely qualifies as tyranny.

They are owning the libs.

You remember when Loretta Lynch met Bill Clinton on the tarmac while Hillary was under investigation, that was a 3-month news.

Trump making public that he wants his political enemies to be prosecuted and firing people who are not carrying his orders is just another Tuesday. Lol

 

[aneftp]

So how do people feel trump and the doj indicting comey?

As certain liberals on this board say…u don’t charge people unless there is criminal activity? Right?

And defend Biden for pardoning his own family…

Common sense folks. Is comey a criminal? Are these weak charges?

 

[Splenda88]

So how do people feel trump and the doj indicting comey?

As certain liberals on this board say…u don’t charge people unless there is criminal activity? Right?

And defend Biden for pardoning his own family…

Common sense folks. Is comey a criminal? Are these weak charges?

As the saying goes, a grand jury will indict a ham sandwitch

If Comey committed a crime, the jury will find him guilty and he should go to prison.

 

[arkgal]

Fair enough.

I’m not really interested in who’s worse. I’m interested in acknowledging there is an increase in left violence. I’m concerned about the changing attitudes toward the acceptance of political violence. I’m worried that violence may be tolerated by more than just the extreme fringes of the party and how that can translate to violence being committed by more than just the fringe extremes of a party. And, I think it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s mostly or wholly Trumps fault, which gives further justification for violence.

Those are all valid concerns and points. Trump alone is not responsible for the violence, but his rhetoric is pouring gasoline on a fire.

 

[aneftp]

If Comey committed a crime, the jury will find him guilty and he should go to prison.

These are weak charges. The time defending a regular citizen can practically bankrupt some one as well.

There are many ways the criminal or even the civics justice system can target individuals like cost them to spend $$$$ defending themselves over minor crimes or
Minor civil matters.

 

[UscGhost]

You asked

"show me a shred of evidence that Trump voters are committing LEFT ideological violence"

So i did

Terrible and tragic event. A perfect example of right extremist ideology and violence. What does that have to do with anything I said?

 

[Splenda88]

These are weak charges. The time defending a regular citizen can practically bankrupt some one as well.

There are many ways the criminal or even the civics justice system can target individuals like cost them to spend $$$$ defending themselves over minor crimes or
Minor civil matters.

Ironically, you can make a case that Comey created Trump... He probably made him president.

 

[rowsdower88]

As certain liberals on this board say…u don’t charge people unless there is criminal activity? Right?

Lmao. Yes, something we all say.

 

[UscGhost]

Fair enough.

I’m not really interested in who’s worse. I’m interested in acknowledging there is an increase in left violence. I’m concerned about the changing attitudes toward the acceptance of political violence. I’m worried that violence may be tolerated by more than just the extreme fringes of the party and how that can translate to violence being committed by more than just the fringe extremes of a party. And, I think it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s mostly or wholly Trumps fault, which gives further justification for violence.

Yea, nobody ever disputed that there hasn't been an increase if left violence. But it far more useful to look at why there is an increase, in order to hope to reduce it. Otherwise what's the point?

So we have to look at why the sudden increase? Its unlikely that suddenly the left has become a violent movement independently. As those types of social changes take decades.

Just like the radical right has been consistently a violent movement for decades, and it suddenly declined in the last 6 months.

So what happened?

Well, most experts point to Trump, and the maga movement. It has simultaneously reduced violence from the right, potentially by making the far right "satisfied" that the current admin is championing their causes and increased violent responses from the left due to targeting of the minorities, trans, etc

If you have a better idea, i would love to hear it

 

[arkgal]

So how do people feel trump and the doj indicting comey?

As certain liberals on this board say…u don’t charge people unless there is criminal activity? Right?

And defend Biden for pardoning his own family…

Common sense folks. Is comey a criminal? Are these weak charges?

I don't know if Comey committed a crime or not. I really don't care. Whether he did or not, it's evident that this is a politically motivated, vengeful prosecution. Barr had integrity. If he said there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, I trust his judgment.

What I DO care about is the executive branch pressuring the AG to prosecute a case. We should all be concerned about that. This is far more important than whether Comey committed a crime - that's the distraction. Judicial independence is quickly going extinct.

 

[arkgal]

An interesting thought experiment. Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with this in any way.

Guns are legal in the way they are here to help rise up against tyranny, or so I'm constantly told. You don't think some people view what's happening in the US these days as tyranny? ICE is arresting American citizens. Government is actively trying to suppress speech. Rights that people have had their entire lives are being taken away. The super-rich are openly aiding the government in ways that make many people's lives worse. Even if you disagree with each of those points, it would be hard to deny that if you believe these things that it absolutely qualifies as tyranny.

I agree with all of your points as well. It doesn't justify the violence but it puts context to the violence.

 

[UscGhost]

So how do people feel trump and the doj indicting comey?

As certain liberals on this board say…u don’t charge people unless there is criminal activity? Right?

And defend Biden for pardoning his own family…

Common sense folks. Is comey a criminal? Are these weak charges?

Yes, it's not difficult to understand.

The former AG didn't find evidence enough for charges... despite Trump pressuring him to do so. AGs aren't interested in wasting their time on cases they aren't expecting to win. Looks bad when they lose

So Trump looked for a new AG that was willing to do his bidding.

99% chance that nothing comes of this. Trump doesnt care though. If he loses, he will just blame the judge/jury as being corrupt and move on.

Shows exactly why Biden would pardon his family. Its not BECAUSE they committed crimes...its BECAUSE Trump clearly doesnt care and would push people to prosecute and investigate anyways

 

[Mad Jack]

COME ON. You are completely manufacturing ambiguity where there is none to obfuscate the issue. Trump voters are not assaulting ice agents, vandalizing, and burning flags. Trump voters aren’t shooting ICE agents, and blowing up Tesla dealerships. Trump voters aren’t assaulting Jewish students on campuses. All regardless of their ethnicity. The perps are literally engraving cartridges that say “this is a left ideological violent attack” and some on the left are still saying, meh can’t really pin it down to an ideology, not enough evidence. 🙄 show me a shred of evidence that Trump voters are committing LEFT ideological violence. That doesn’t even make sense.





It’s far beyond just a few loons. Just a few loons aren’t causing billions in damages. This is also the first time I’ve seen someone making your arguments willing to downplay J6 to fit your narrative. But you are right, the economic damage compared to leftist violence was a couple million.

It's a fraction of a percent of protestors. As to people targeting Jewish individuals, I can provide you links to a few far right forums and groups if you would like to see their opinion on Jews. Most violence against Jews has been right-wing in nature over the last 20 years, and I can provide you plenty of ADL papers to back that up.

With regard to "billions in damage," again, you're attributing it to "the left," when it was protestors against racial violence in 2020-2021. "Billions" in damage have not occurred since then. How many of those people that are destroying property do you think actually vote or feel strongly about politics? How many do you think are actually registered Democrats or are politically active in any way? Rioters and looters tend to be criminals that are just looking for an excuse to do crime and using riots as a free pass for anonymity, just as happens with, say, football hooligans. They just want an excuse to cause trouble as a group, it's not about the football or the teams, it's about causing chaos. 99%+ of the people in protests were not rioters and did not do any property damage whatsoever, which you would know if you actually went to one to see what was happening.

You lump people together as if there are only two sides on any issue, which is exactly the sort of braindead politics I expect of most Americans, but not what I would expect of a physician. A lot of Latino voters supported Trump and are right-leaning centrists that are anti-ICE but supportive of his policies otherwise. Do you think that the majority of Latino men just flipped from voting for Trump to hardcore Dems overnight? More likely, they're fighting for their friends and loved ones, because they feel what is happening is unjust, and it has less to do with party affiliation and more to do with how a particular policy is impacting them and their communities. He carried some of these communities with as much as 70% of the vote, and then tore them apart.

Commentary: Trump was winning with Latinos. Now, his cruelty is derailing him

Trump risks making the mistake California Republicans made in the 1980s and 1990s: taking a political win they earned with Latinos and turning it into trash.

www.latimes.com

Latino Voters Are Feeling Betrayed By Trump (w/ Carlos Eduardo Espina)

Carlos Eduardo Espina joins Tim Miller and Cameron Kasky to break down how social media, religion, and misinformation have reshaped Latino politics.

www.thebulwark.com

Some progressives blame Latinos for Trump win, rather than Democrats' shortcomings

Some progressives don’t hold back from casting judgement on Latinos who voted for Trump and accusing them of betraying their own. But political experts say Democrats didn't do enough to earn the Florida Latino vote.

www.wlrn.org

 

[Splenda88]

I am just hoping if a democrat wins the presidency again, they do not follow the destructive path of revenge.

This country is at the brink of instability.

 

[aneftp]

Yes, it's not difficult to understand.

The former AG didn't find evidence enough for charges... despite Trump pressuring him to do so. AGs aren't interested in wasting their time on cases they aren't expecting to win. Looks bad when they lose

So Trump looked for a new AG that was willing to do his bidding.

99% chance that nothing comes of this. Trump doesnt care though. If he loses, he will just blame the judge/jury as being corrupt and move on.

Shows exactly why Biden would pardon his family. Its not BECAUSE they committed crimes...its BECAUSE Trump clearly doesnt care and would push people to prosecute and investigate anyways

You are answering the question I wanted u finally.

U can charge anyone u want and hope something sticks.

Like Alvin Bragg finally getting the weakest fo trumps criminal charges conviction because 99.99% of the time trump stormy Daniels charges was really a misdemeanor charge. And numerous prosecutors have stated that.

Trump will go after anything and hopes something sticks.