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consider commodities ETF's 🙂

got one in platinum/silver/gold/diamond combo

I'd be real cautious about PM ETFs. Short term if you want to trade/gamble on timing an emotional market 🙄 they're the only practical option to buy/sell on a moment's notice, but if you're buying to hold long term for god's sake take delivery of the physical metals.

I fully expect there will come a day when the actual precious metals allegedly "held" by those funds will turn out to be not there. It's just another ponzi waiting to blow up when people get skittish enough to want to take delivery of the precious metals they "own" through the fund. The ones running the show have proven time and again they can't be trusted. It's Bernie Madoff waiting to happen all over again.

I'm not sure quite what to say about a diamond ETF, except that gambling on or hoarding a commodity that
a) is transparently manipulated by DeBeers
b) can be manufactured
seems like an awful idea to me. I smirk in the general direction of goldbugs from time to time, but at least they can't put #2 pencil lead in a vice and manufacture gold.
 
Greed is not a good thing . I have lost faith in the America I grew up in during the baby boom. I followed the work ethic of my parents and immigrant grandparents. When I look around today- though I dont even like to travel far from my homebase -- I see lazy selfish entitled human beings who do not seem to know the America I cherished. My simple little study desk in our tiny home sat below photos of JFK, LBJ, Apollo astronauts and a baseball player. The family had 20 records for the phonograph. We all played a musical instrument and backyard sports at the playground which we walked to. The family ate dinner together and watched some TV together. My working parents payed their bills and provided for education for their kids. Vacations were simple and few. At age 12 I started a part time job in a garden for a neighbor and worked continuously til present. I don't take 8 weeks off. I never planned to make what I do in this field, I just loved science. I pushed the EKG chart as a MS3-4, shoveled snow in the hospital parking lot, sold my blood, night-time H&P's at a neighboring hospital for $8. Once in practice- payed my loans , drove an older car , rented a house, saved for downpayment on house, saved $ in bank , No fancy trips or Rolex..... After 15 yrs I accumulated more wealth than the my parents...house is paid, autos paid, RV paid,boat paid, IRA maxed, Bought gold at $295, Silver starting @ $4.. NO DEBT - NO DEBT - NO DEBT- Get it......How Americans buy things they can't pay for is confusing. No, it's Greed, Selfish Greed . My next purchase is more land adjoining my small farm, I will only buy as many acres as I can pay for in cash , not all 40 acres that I dream of owning. ....I can't fix the Governments mishandling of our taxes and the country's credit score. Stop illegal Immigration, Manufacture everything here, consume less, help your neighbor- unless they are lazy, Vote, grow some food- it tastes great when you do. ...........Excuse my digression from original topic, but it got my head spinning once again.. and YES buy some metals.

Greed didn't cause this. The progressive movement with its slow creep to socialism did.
 
Blade, you are my kind of people. This is why I love to come to the anesthesiology forum. Still haven't decided what specialty I will switch into. Is there some reason why gas attracts this type of person?
 
Because they are smart, rich and they look great!
2win
 
I'm a big fan of ETFs. Some ones I've been interested in investing in:

GLD - tracks the price of gold bullion
GDX - tracks gold mining companies
VWO - tracks general markets of Brazil, Russia, China, Korea, and Taiwan
VPL - tracks general markets in Japan (the major index component), Australia, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Singapore
PUW - Looks at bridge technologies to make fossil fuels more efficient
PBW - Index of small-cap companies looking at clean energy solutions e.g. wind, solar, hydrogen

The last two are just personal interests of mine, and the 3rd to last (VPL), I'm kinda becoming bullish on as Japan starts to struggle some with their national debt. But yeah, just some thoughts.

Anyone have any good low-cost broker ideas? I use Zecco right now, and it's pretty cheap compared to the major ones (E-trade, Scottrade, etc.), but I'm still paying a pretty large front-load. Right now I'm investing mainly on principal for the day when I can invest bigger sums. But when I'm investing $250 and I'm paying $4.50 in commission up front, it's gonna hurt my returns. Any thoughts? Stick it out until I get that $10K in there and get a dozen free trades a month?

I am not big fan of ETF-s.
Because I am a trader... I like my broker to be very fast, and to have a great trading platform.
I would recommend interactivebrokers.
btw- how you guys did in the last week?
2win
 
In less than 3 years I predict many will WISH they had bought Gold at under $1250 an ounce.

U.S. Fiscal Policy is Reckless and irresponsible. Our day of Reckoning is Coming soon.
 
U.S. debt to rise to $19.6 trillion by 2015

WASHINGTON
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015, according to a Treasury Department report to Congress.
U.S.
The report that was sent to lawmakers Friday night with no fanfare said the ratio of debt to the gross domestic product would rise to 102 percent by 2015 from 93 percent this year.
"The president's economic experts say a 1 percent increase in GDP can create almost 1 million jobs, and that 1 percent is what experts think we are losing because of the debt's massive drag on our economy," said Republican Representative Dave Camp, who publicized the report.
He was referring to recent testimony by University of Maryland Professor Carmen Reinhart to the bipartisan fiscal commission, which was created by President Barack Obama to recommend ways to reduce the deficit, which said debt topping 90 percent of GDP could slow economic growth.
The U.S. debt has grown rapidly with the economic downturn and government spending for the Wall Street bailout, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the economic stimulus. The rising debt is contributing to voter unrest ahead of the November congressional elections in which Republicans hope to regain control of Congress.
The total U.S. debt includes obligations to the Social Security retirement program and other government trust funds. The amount of debt held by investors, which include China and other countries as well as individuals and pension funds, will rise to an estimated $9.1 trillion this year from $7.5 trillion last year.
By 2015 the net public debt will rise to an estimated $14 trillion, with a ratio to GDP of 73 percent, the Treasury report said.
 


The Graph above is an estimate of GDP to National Debt. It is Incorrect and False.
National Debt levels are skyrocketing much faster than GDP is growing. We are the next Greece circa 2020.​
 
The obligations we owe exceeds the whole gross domestic products of the world ten times over. People really have to be blind to the facts to think that we can ever repay these obligations in today’s dollars. So something radical has to be done. Entitlements like Social Security and Medicare have to be severely cut or the government will just have to print more money. If government cuts the entitlements it will mean old age poverty and health rationing and if government prints more dollars
 
[SIZE=-1]If history teaches anything, it is that government cannot be trusted to manage money. When currency is not redeemable in gold, its value depends entirely on the judgment and the conscience of the politicians. (That is the situation in this country today.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Especially in an economic crisis or a war, the pressure to inflate becomes overwhelming. Any alternative may seem politically disastrous. Whether it be the Roman emperors repeatedly debasing their coinage, the French revolutionary government printing a flood of assignats, John Law flooding France with debased money, or the Continental Congress issuing money until it was literally "not worth a Continental," the story is similar. A government in financial straits finds its easiest recourse is to issue more and more money until the money loses its value. The entire process is accompanied by a barrage of explanations, propaganda and new regulations which hide the true situation from the eyes of most people until they have lost all their savings. In World War I, Germany -- like other governments -- borrowed heavily to pay its war costs.
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This led to inflation, but not much more than in the U.S. during the same period. After the war there was a period of stability, but then the inflation resumed. By 1923, the wildest inflation in history was raging. Often prices doubled in a few hours. A wild stampede developed to buy goods and get rid of money. By late 1923 it took [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]200 billion marks to buy a loaf of bread[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Millions of the hard-working, thrifty German people found that their [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]life's savings would not buy a postage stamp[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. They were penniless. How could this happen in a highly civilized nation run at the time by intelligent, democratically chosen leaders? What happened to business, to wages and employment? How did some people manage to save their capital while a few speculators made fortunes?[/SIZE]
 
  1. Hoarding (people will try to get rid of cash before it is devalued, by hoarding food and other commodities creating shortages of the hoarded objects).
  2. Distortion of relative prices (usually the prices of goods go higher, especially the prices of commodities).
  3. Increased risk - Higher uncertainties (uncertainties in business always exist, but with inflation risks are very high, because of the instability of prices).
  4. Income diffusion effect (which is basically an operation of income redistribution).
  5. Existing creditors will be hurt (because the value of the money they will receive from their borrowers later will be lower than the money they gave before).
  6. Fixed income recipients will be hurt (because while inflation increases, their income doesn’t increase, and therefore their income will have less value over time).
  7. Increased consumption ratio at the early stages of inflation (people will be consuming more because money is more abundant and its value is not lowered yet).
  8. Lowers national saving (when there is a high inflation, saving money would mean watching your cash decrease in value day after day, so people tend to spend the cash on something else).
  9. Illusions of making profits (companies will think they were making profits while in reality they’re losing money if they don’t take into consideration the inflation rate when calculating profits).
  10. Causes an increase in tax bracket (people will be taxed a higher percentage if their income increases following an inflation increase).
  11. Causes mal-investment (in inflation times, the data given about an investment is often deceptive and unreliable, therefore causing losses in investments).
  12. Causes business cycles (many companies will have to go out of business because of the losses they incurred from inflation and its effects).
  13. Currency debasement (which lowers the value of a currency, and sometimes cause a new currency to be born)
  14. Rising prices of imports (if the currency is debased, then it’s purchasing power in the international market is lower).
 
America’s public debt will exceed 100 percent of GDP in the next fiscal year

June 10, 2010
By CMAC


America’s public debt recently exceeded 13 trillion. This is more than 90 percent of the country’s GDP.


Public debts of more than 60 percent of GDP are considered unhealthy. Public debts above 90 percent of GDP cause severe disruptions in the country’s financial framework and the economy at large.


According to the Obama administration, America’s public debt will exceed 100 percent of GDP in the next fiscal year. History shows that most countries whose debt exceeds this mark are rarely able to control it. This level of indebtedness usually leads to currency debasement.


There are a few historical examples whereby countries were able to contain debts of more than 100 percent of GDP. But in those instances, the debts were almost always contracted as a result of extraordinary one-time expenditures, usually war.


America’s debt, on the other hand, is a result of decades of structural deficits. This means that we have grown accustomed to spending more than we can afford. If we want to solve our debt problem, we must slash spending and start running surpluses. The problem is that it may prove impossible to break the spending habit.


Our government is like a drug addict who cannot quit because the dope is too easy to get. Bonds are the dope of the American government. But the price of the dope will eventually rise, since low bond yields will not persist forever. When this happens, the addict will go into seizures. But he will not lie down and sweat it out. He will go on a rampage to get his fix. He will loot people’s retirement accounts; he will confiscate their gold. Things will turn ugly.


It has long been impossible to cut anything in Washington. Every proposal for a reduction is met with hysteria from some special interest. The hysteria is then amplified by the media. There is wailing, there are tears. The final appeal is always made for the children. It always works. They will suffer, goes the refrain. What can politicians do? They back out while the rent-seekers lick their chops. In the meantime, the debt just keeps growing.


Many people thought Barack Obama would save America from its troubles. Unfortunately, they were wrong. When it comes to America’s finances, the president is doing exactly the wrong thing. We are headed toward an abyss, and instead of braking, he has slammed down the accelerator. He is behaving like a perfect madman. And like Emperor Nero, Barack fiddles while the Treasury burns.


Paul McCartney thinks Obama is a very smart man. The president, however, does not seem to realize that one cannot borrow his way out of debt. Not even the American federal government can do that. The American government has more leeway than the rest, because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. But no one can defy the laws of finance forever. When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the dollar will collapse.


It would be wrong to think that America’s debt problem has been caused Obama. Obama is not the root cause. He is merely a symptom. He could not do what he is doing if the ground had not been prepared beforehand. This was done by the decades of fiscal recklessness. The problem began long before Barry Soetoro started attending a madrassah in Indonesia.


Both parties are responsible. Do you still remember who started us down the never-ending road to bailoutville? That president even called himself a conservative. He was a good man, but he left a mess behind. He went about his saving work in the wrong way. He should never have tried to save capitalism from itself. Instead, he should have tried to save capitalism from government.


Like Bush, Obama does not mean any harm. He is convinced that what he is doing is good and right. He is just badly misguided — too bad so many people fell for his pretty words. They thought Barack was a great leader, and they said he would lead us toward better days. Those prophets were wrong. Barack is leading us toward disaster. John McCain, however, would not have done much better; he would also be bailing out right and left. We have a problem in this country: Neither of the two major parties is any good.


Sir Paul told us that Barack knows what a library is. That’s good. Barack should visit one and check out a book called Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. Beautifully written and full of common sense, it is the best introduction to economics one can find. An average person can get through it in a few hours. Since Barack is so smart, he can do it even faster. If he read it and took it to heart, we would all be better off.


We should all read this book. It could help to set us straight. We conservatives have lost our way. We like to think of ourselves as heirs to the founders’ legacy of limited government, but most of us do not realize what that implies. The founders’ America had no Department of Education or Department of Commerce or Department of Labor or Department of Housing and Urban Development. In had almost none of today’s countless federal departments, agencies, and boards that waste money and make our lives miserable. The founders’ America had no income tax or corporate tax. The founders’ America had no central bank. In the founders’ America, the dollar was backed by precious metals. That is what limited government looks like.


The idea that we should go back to this kind of government would scandalize many present-day conservatives. They say things have moved on, and we need more government now. This is a lie straight from statism’s darkest pit. Too bad so many of us have fallen for it. Today we are reaping the fruit of that error: an oppressive government, debts that cannot be paid, a rapacious political class, a disintegrating currency, and a smug president who makes bad things worse.


 
The American Debt to GDP ratio is skyrocketing, just like Greece’s Debt to GDP ratio.

Our Gross Public Debt as a percentage of GDP was at mid 60% percent’s through most of 1990 until the beginning of 2009. The ratio is at an alarming “94% of GDP” in 2010. It should be noted that Greece’s ratio is at 108 to 112%. We all know the fiscal problems Greece is going through, as a result of their uncontrolled spending and borrowing. President Obama is almost making sure we are the next Greece.

Year USA Gross Public Debt to GDP Ratio

1990 55.74%
1991 61.17%
1992 64.09%
1993 66.17%
1994 66.23%
1995 67.08%
1996 66.66%
1997 64.97%
1998 62.84%
1999 60.47%
2000 57.02%
2001 56.46%
2002 58.52%
2003 60.88%
2004 62.18%
2005 62.77%
2006 63.49%
2007 63.99%
2008 69.15%
2009 83.29%
2010 94.27%

President Obama in just 18 month’s in office spent more money than the spending of all Presidents combined, from George Washington to George W Bush. President Obama’s road of uncontrolled spending sees no end. Obamacare singed into law by the President, will almost guarantee that in 5 years from now, we will be the next Greece. If only Obama can stop the habit of spending money that we don’t have, and repeal his own massive spending programs including Obamacare, we will be saved from becoming the next Greece.
 
I have tried to lay out the case for precious metals over the next 36-60 months. In just 5 years Gold will DOUBLE or TRIPLE from today's price because politicians are unlikely to do any serious trimming of our debt.

The real rise behind Gold's triple over the past ten years has been our continued fiscal recklessness. With the failng Euro what currency will the uber-ruch turn to in order to preserve their wealth? Hint: It won't be the U.S. Dollar for much longer
 
Merrill Lynch says rich turning to gold bars for safety

Merrill Lynch has revealed that some of its richest clients are so alarmed by the state of the financial system and signs of political instability around the world that they are now insisting on the purchase of gold bars, shunning derivatives or "paper" proxies.
 
lot of wealthy people I talk to are building up sizable gold assets in their portfolios. They look at the long term fundamentals of the US economy and don't like what they see. So they are accumulating gold as both a hedge and to some extent a capital gains play. Here's a price chart of gold over the past five years (click to enlarge):

You can see that those who have owned gold for the past five years have made three times their money. And I've heard gold bulls say that $3000/ounce is their price target. So that's 2.5x where it is now.
 
We've had a number of conversations about gold in the comments to this site, but I've never posted about my thoughts on the subject. So I thought I should.
I'm not a fan of gold. It does not produce any income. It is not a productive asset. It does have value in many commercial uses but that is not what drives its fundamental value.
Gold is valuable because it always has been. It has been used many times over the years as a backstop for currencies under a monetary system called the Gold Standard. The theory is that when investors lose confidence in a government's currency, they can exchange the bills for gold.
So investors have been trained that in times of crisis, you want to own gold. And if you look at that five year gold chart, it sure looks like more and more investors want to own gold right now.
I'm not sold on gold. I don't really know what I'd do with a bunch of gold. On the other hand, I do understand the need to have a portion of your net worth in tangible assets that you can touch, control, and physically own.
I prefer real assets like commercial real estate and land. These assets can be scarce, you can own them outright, you can touch and feel them, and most importantly you can generate income with them.
Let's say you had $1 million of cash in the bank that you wanted to use as a hedge against a major financial disaster. You could purchase gold bullion and take delivery of it and put it in a safe at a bank. Or you could purchase a building with a number of apartments for rent with it. The gold will sit safely in the bank earning you nothing. A building purchased for $1mm could produce something like $100,000 per year in rental income if you buy it right.
If the financial disaster was really terrible, your building might go down in value, but as long as you own it outright and don't have a mortgage on it, there is no reason that you'd have to sell it. You could continue to generate the $100k per year of income assuming rental rates hold up. And generally speaking, real estate will maintain its value over the long haul.
The same logic applies to productive land (ie farmland). If you buy it right and don't borrow against it, land will produce income regularly and should retain its long term value.
So that's my case against gold and in favor of real assets. I think it is very smart to have a percentage of your net worth in non-financial assets (stocks, bonds) and non-cash assets. We all saw what can happen with the financial system has a meltdown. And it could have been a lot worse had the government not stepped in.
So if you have a nest egg that you want to protect, think about putting some non-financial assets into the mix. But I'm just not sure that gold is the best way to do that.
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"If the nightmare scenario plays out as I suspect it may then the debt situation gets worse. There is currently no exit strategy and the reaction to the crisis of policy makers remains a big worry."

As a result, Fry is telling investors to play it safe and buy physical assets like land.

"I don't want to scare anyone but I am considering investing in barbed wire and guns, things are not looking good and rates are heading higher," he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37549417

I'm sure this was said "tongue in cheek", but I think caution is highly adviseable.
 
In less than 3 years I predict many will WISH they had bought Gold at under $1250 an ounce.

U.S. Fiscal Policy is Reckless and irresponsible. Our day of Reckoning is Coming soon.

What's your opinion on gold vs silver? Seems that gold
a) is currently trading at a much higher-than-usual multiple of silver
b) carries a greater emotional fear factor among buyers perhaps contributing to some bubbliness

Aside from the (minor) issue of weight and storage space, it seems to me that if you're going to buy precious metals as either a hedge against inflation or some kind of long-term wealth preservation strategy, that silver might be a better choice than gold. There seem to be better fundamental reasons for silver to increase than gold.
 
In less than 3 years I predict many will WISH they had bought Gold at under $1250 an ounce.

U.S. Fiscal Policy is Reckless and irresponsible. Our day of Reckoning is Coming soon.

It still isn't too late. The U.S. Dollar is going much lower and inflation is just around the corner. Gold is going to $1500 an ounce. Silver and Platinum are even better buys than Gold.

Current Interest rates are not real. Severe Inflation is much more likely in 12-36 months than the myth of deflation.
 
NEW YORK: US gold futures ended higher on Friday, hitting a record above $1,300 an ounce on worries over economic uncertainty after the Federal Reserve raised expectations of new measures to stimulate growth.

* COMEX December gold futures settled up $1.80 at $1,298.10 an ounce on the COMEX division of the NYMEX. * Trading ranged from $1,290.60 to $1,301.60 -- a record high.

* Gold benefited from renewed worries about inflation after Friday's better-than-expected durable goods data and rallying grain prices -- Adam Klopfenstein at MF Global's Lind-Waldock. * Gold's attraction as a hedge against inflation increased after data showed new orders for a wide range of long-lasting US manufactured goods rose in August and business spending plans rebounded strongly.

* Gold has risen more than 4 per cent this month and hit record highs in six of the last seven sessions. * COMEX estimated final gold volume at 105,351 lots, in line with its 30-day average, preliminary Reuters data showed. * Spot gold fetched $1,295.60 an ounce by 4:11 p.m. EDT (2011 GMT), up from the previous session's last trade at $1,293.50 an ounce.

* London afternoon gold fix at $1,290.75 an ounce. SILVER * COMEX December silver ended up 18.6 cents at $21.399 an ounce, as gold's rallies to record highs triggered strong investment demand for the white metal. * Trade ranged from $21.120 to $21.490 an ounce -- the highest level since 1980.

* COMEX estimated final volume at 33,288 lots. * Spot silver fetched $21.45 in late New York deals, against $21.14 in the previous session.

* London silver was fixed at $21.08 an ounce. PLATINUM * NYMEX October platinum finished down $6.10 at $1,639.80 an ounce as investors took profits after recent gains - traders. * Spot platinum at $1,640 an ounce.
 
It still isn't too late. The U.S. Dollar is going much lower and inflation is just around the corner. Gold is going to $1500 an ounce. Silver and Platinum are even better buys than Gold.

Current Interest rates are not real. Severe Inflation is much more likely in 12-36 months than the myth of deflation.

You worry too much. Bernanke will print money. Democrats will increase government spending. And Republicans will decrease government revenue. Come on, what could be more fiscally sound and stable than that?? 🙄
 
You worry too much. Bernanke will print money. Democrats will increase government spending. And Republicans will decrease government revenue. Come on, what could be more fiscally sound and stable than that?? 🙄

Other counties doing exactly the same and using their printed currencies to purchase dollars. Japan, Brazil, and Peru have already done this in recent days. This ought to end well. The only question is when and how.
 
It still isn't too late. The U.S. Dollar is going much lower and inflation is just around the corner. Gold is going to $1500 an ounce. Silver and Platinum are even better buys than Gold.

I think silver's probably a better buy than gold, but PMs in general are something to hold long term. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if both had big dips in the next few years, but our ongoing debt, deficits, and QE are powerful long term forces in the other direction.

And historically, PMs have been a means of wealth preservation, not investment growth. Even in a period of hyperinflation where gold reached $10K/ounce, it's not like you've "made money" ... you've just (hopefully) preserved the purchasing power of the money you saved in gold form in the first place. Which isn't a bad thing, but I think it's as myopic to view gold as an investment as it was to view a house as an investment. Long term, both assets tend to track inflation. Go hog wild, buy into the hype, and purchase during the upswing of a bubble, and you're screwed.

Gold looks awful bubbly.

Current Interest rates are not real. Severe Inflation is much more likely in 12-36 months than the myth of deflation.

We could have both.

Hard times lead to stressed people selling stuff they have at a discount (deflation).

A weak economy could push the stock market down as companies lose real value, or inflation could carry it up to new (numeric) heights.

I'm a little skeptical of your 12-36 month window for the onset of severe inflation. What do you base that on? The circus of illusions has already been going on far longer than it has had any rational right to ... I bet our fearless leaders' powers of obfuscation, manipulation, oration, fundiplication, and stupefaction have the potential to keep things chugging along for a long time. There's a lot of road ahead for the can to be kicked. 10x your window, even. Throw in a few foreign currency crises that drive others to flee to the near-term security of the dollar, and the beans you stash in your bunker may be well past their expiration date when the bad days come.

Freeze dried foods with 25 year shelf lives might still be good though. 🙂

Point being, I don't know if there's much point in trying to predict when it'll fall apart. It's like stock market timing (here we are 4 months after 2win's prediction of imminent DOW disaster and the index is up 6% in that time 🙄). Seems like the sensible thing to do is live below your means, save and invest broadly, live someplace where the neighbors aren't likely to riot when food stamps get devalued alongside the dollar, and turn off Glenn Beck's show.
 
I bet our fearless leaders' powers of obfuscation, manipulation, oration, fundiplication, and stupefaction have the potential to keep things chugging along for a long time.

You give our leaders way too much credit. They aren't as smart as their megalomania makes them think they are; they aren't as smart as the worshiping media wants you to believe; and they aren't as smart as Joe average American has been brainwashed to believe.

In fact, I'll say it again. Just like Gypsy's picture clearly points out, they are average mathematical dopes barely able to add 2 + 2.

http://www.lakeshorelaments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obama_economics.jpg

Seems like the sensible thing to do is live below your means, save and invest broadly, live someplace where the neighbors aren't likely to riot when food stamps get devalued alongside the dollar, and turn off Glenn Beck's show.

Good advice (although as whacky as his conspiracy theories are, Beck is the ONLY TV guy dead on where this economic smoke and mirror charade is heading). I don't agree with your time table. We have exhausted everybody's ability, including China, to finance this ponzi anywhere near another generation. It is way sooner. Sure as Madoff, math wins everytime.

Keep in mind when the food stamps get devalued to nothing, so will our ability to police the chaos. Your suggestion about location is extremely critical.
 
I don't agree with your time table.

I don't really have a time table.

I just think attempts to time the economic apocalypse are likely to be about as successful as attempts to time the stock market. If you knew US Treasuries were going to crash next Friday, the smart thing to do would be to bail from Treasuries (probably stocks too) and spend the week investing in commodities and maybe a new fuel tank for the back yard ... but if the crash is really scheduled for 2016, rolling your 401(k) into commodities, twelve cases of pasta, and 200 gallons of gasoline on Monday is not so clever.

To tell the truth, I don't really understand why everything didn't implode in 2008. They played some shell games and moved some 1s and 0s around some computers, and it's been mostly business as usual for the last two years, despite the recession. I have to believe they've learned something new about shell games since then, and I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to kick the can even further down the road, just one more time. Or maybe twice more. Three times?

Logically, it's got to end sometime. But none of this has been logical to me for a long time now ... and yet here we are.
 
Gold is going way over $1500. The U.S. Dollar is being held up by the Chinese. But, for how much longer? Any country which prints and prints money to stimulate growth gets inflation. The U.S. will be no exception.
The Fed wants 6-8% inflation and is actually expanding the monetary base to create it.

Gold/Precious Metals represents a much better long term investment than bonds. Yes, it is more of an "insurance policy" against devaluation but a very good one. Gold should be 10-20% of a portfolio. Gold or Silver mining stocks combined with other commodities could be another 20-30% of that same portfolio.

The only reason we won't get hyperinflation in 3 years is because the U.S. dollar still the world's reserve curency. But, China and the rest of the world are getting tired of our huge national debt and borrowing sprees. Gold represents a real reserve currency that can't be printed by the trillions.

Here is the only U.S. Currency still "good as gold:"


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US Dollar Now Ripe For Catastrophic Devaluation

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Normally when I cover subjects in the economy, I try to take a “macro” approach, giving an overall view of various financial elements around the world and how they are clearly connected to one another in a greater synchronous social force. That is to say, in Chinese domestic consumption, or European debt obligations, or Russian gold reserves, and in many other factors, is encoded the very future of our own American economy. Showing others how to decipher that code is my primary mission.
In this instance, however, I would like to focus chiefly on the U.S. Dollar, the private Federal Reserve currency which is now the basis for our entire financial system, not to mention a substantial basis for trade around the globe. For decades, the dollar (and by extension U.S. Treasury bonds) has been the standard by which foreign nations safeguard capital reserves, denominate debt, and in some cases have even pegged their own currency to maintain advantageous trade deficits. In the past, the Greenback has been treated as good as gold. Though many see this as a windfall for Americans, it is actually a very unfortunate circumstance.
The “world reserve” status of our currency created a demand for dollars, but through this, it also created a glut of Treasury bond holdings in foreign central banks, and an unserviceable national debt here at home. The combination of removing the dollar from the gold standard in tandem with gaining world reserve advantage allowed our government along with central bankers to create the most precarious illusory fiat currency in history. Could this process continue indefinitely? Its possible, but only if the demand for dollars continues to rise annually. As long as people want dollars in greater and greater amounts, we could continue to expand our debt into infinity. But what happens if demand for the dollar falls, or disappears entirely? The massive liabilities we have already accrued will no longer have the crutch of perpetual Treasury investment. We no longer would receive the busloads of foreign capital we need to continue functioning. The system we have staked the future of our culture on would disintegrate.
Anyone who uses common sense would easily conclude that it is highly unreasonable if not outlandish to expect that other countries will continue to pump more and more money every year into our very unstable system. Even if Treasury bond investment simply plateaued, remaining steady for years, we would still be crushed under the weight of our debt obligations. As our government expands, and our wars expand, so do our costs, and our interest payments. Eventually, every undisciplined debtor hits a state of critical mass; a point at which he runs out of options in extending his ability to outrun bankruptcy. We are seeing this right now in the U.S., most prominently in municipal debt in states such as California and Illinois. These are not just “local problems”. The growing insolvency in states is a direct reflection of the growing insolvency in the Federal Government.
Many people have at one time or another been caught up in their own debt race, trying to dodge bills and pay off one credit card with another credit card. They understand well that this terrible circle ends in ruin. This is the situation we are in as a nation.
Strangely though, some mainstream economists and analysts still contend that America will never face consequences for its fiscal debauchery. Why do they believe this despite all the evidence to the contrary? Because of a magical machine called a “printing press”.
“If foreign investment in our debt ceases”, they say, “The Federal Reserve can just PRINT the money our government needs to function out of thin air.” That is to say, these economists (which include men like Ben Bernanke) either truly believe that capital can be created out of nothing with no sacrifice attached, or, they KNOW there is a serious sacrifice attached, but intend to keep this fact from the American public. Regardless, the end result is the same; massive liquidity injections which continually monetize debt as it defaults, and Federal Reserve purchases of our own T-bonds. We are buying stock in our own dollar just to prop up its value and keep our country afloat!
The inflation vs. deflation debate has been raging for nearly three years, but I suspect that when all is said and done, we will find that both sides in a sense were correct. The people who consistently miss the mark on what is truly going on in the economy are those who blindly insist that this is an either/or situation. The fact is, we are seeing symptoms of BOTH deflation and inflation simultaneously. Deflation in jobs, stocks, real estate, and wages. Inflation in energy, food, and commodities. At bottom, we are seeing the worst of both worlds colliding to make a financial mutation, an aberration of the natural processes of supply and demand. Our economy has become a frothing rampaging Frankenstein’s monster bent on the destruction of its former benefactors; the American citizenry. Anyone who alleges otherwise is either a liar, or a fool.
At the very heart of this nightmare, we find the U.S. Greenback; perhaps the number one reason the economic meltdown was engineered by global banks in the first place (yes, I said ‘engineered’). The sovereign ideology of the U.S. is the only thing left standing in the way of complete centralized economic control, and by extension, political control, by the top 2% wealthiest people in the world, who now hold around 50% of all the world’s assets. The dollar, though a fraudulent fiat currency, is still a representation of that sovereign drive, at least in terms of finance. Its position as the foremost traded currency on the planet affords us great leeway in our ability to spend without fear. It is the glue holding absolutely everything together. With most of our industry shipped overseas, and our communities completely reliant on a 70% service based system, the Dollar is the only homemade “product” America has left to lean on.
Unfortunately, the strength of our currency is waning, and nearing outright collapse. It is something we have been talking about for the past two years at least, which has drawn some into a false sense of security. The signs have been muddled in the MSM fog, but now the picture is becoming clear. Will the dollar crash tomorrow? That’s hard to say. What I do know, is that all the elements necessary for a catastrophic dollar devaluation have moved into place, especially in the past month. That is to say, there is now nothing preventing a steady and precipitous fall in the Greenback over the next six months or more. Below are many signals which indicate such an event is near:
Dollar Index Plummeting: Interestingly, there has been very little coverage in the mainstream news of the dollar’s continuous 9 week decline, the longest straight weekly decline since 2004. One would think this is something that might concern the general public, and not just investors:
 
Other counties doing exactly the same and using their printed currencies to purchase dollars. Japan, Brazil, and Peru have already done this in recent days. This ought to end well. The only question is when and how.

It's true, many of the other major players are inflating away. This is why gold is where it is. People are losing faith in fiat currency and the ease in which monetary supply is expanded.
 
Gold is going way over $1500. The U.S. Dollar is being held up by the Chinese. But, for how much longer? Any country which prints and prints money to stimulate growth gets inflation. The U.S. will be no exception.
The Fed wants 6-8% inflation and is actually expanding the monetary base to create it.

Gold/Precious Metals represents a much better long term investment than bonds. Yes, it is more of an "insurance policy" against devaluation but a very good one. Gold should be 10-20% of a portfolio. Gold or Silver mining stocks combined with other commodities could be another 20-30% of that same portfolio.

The only reason we won't get hyperinflation in 3 years is because the U.S. dollar still the world's reserve curency. But, China and the rest of the world are getting tired of our huge national debt and borrowing sprees. Gold represents a real reserve currency that can't be printed by the trillions.

Here is the only U.S. Currency still "good as gold:"


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So, I bought copper, Gold, Silver and other metals in 2010. Made a lot of money. Silver is up a great deal since the thread was created. Gold is likely to get a second wave up this year.

Gas, Coal, Food, etc. have all performed quite well. Inflation is highly likely by the end of this year and interest rates are heading up.
 
The next leg up in Gold will be due to the Fed's non stop printing press, the failure of Congress to address our National debt and inflation. People want a real currency that can't be debased.

If the Congress and President were serious about our debt and debt ceiling (they are not) the price of Gold would be less likely to continue its ascent to $1500. Now Japan will need to print and issue debt in excess of 200% GDP.

Governments around the world are net buyers of Gold and that is a key reason why Gold is headed higher this year.
 
ussie Dollar Reaches New Record vs. US Dollar

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The Australian dollar decided that its rally doesn’t need to stop and continued its ascent, posting the new record high versus the US dollar.
The reason for the rally of the Aussie is the same as for other commodity currencies — the advancing prices for raw materials, caused by the prospect of the economic recovery. Analysts predicted that the factory orders in the US rose 1.1 percent in February. Forecasts also promise the report on April 1 will show that China’s Purchasing Managers’ Index advanced from 52.2 to 54 in March.
 
Now Japan will need to print and issue debt in excess of 200% GDP.

I was reading somewhere today that Japan's earthquake/Tsunami/etc will end up costing them in excess of $300 billion.


I quit buying silver when it was in the low 20s. I'm torn as to whether I should sell some or all of what I have. I just have visions of interest rates finally starting to rise, and a bunch of wealthy people and speculators dumping their PMs for something that earns interest. I'm still convinced that the majority of the really rich people have PM holdings not as inflation hedges but because they're hoping to buy low, sell high. Sure this time's different, but every bubble has people saying this time's different.


I don't know the Fed will avoid QE3, though they keep mumbling about they're not gonna do it. Who's going to buy US Treasuries if the Fed quits?


I don't know what to invest in. We may just set aside the cash to buy the 80 acres by the in-laws' ranch and be done with it. Pro: beautiful area in the Sierra Nevada foothills, open-ended job offer for me with good sized community hospital. Cons: it's in California and we like Montana & the Rockies; I've got 3 years left in the military and part of me thinks it'd be dumb to count on that job still being there.


I did buy a couple cases of 5.56 today. That at least was an easy decision. I don't think we'll ever see M193 below $300/1000 again and it has a good shelf life. Several major manufacturers have released letters declaring 10-15% price increases May 1st due to rising metal prices. I reload all my .308 and .45 now ... not actually saving any money but shooting more. 🙂

Toying with the idea of buying 50 or 100 cases of ammo and reselling it when Obama gets re-elected, that'll surely be good for another gun-ban-scare panic buy. 😀
 
Utah Gov. Gary Herbert last week quietly signed a law which has made Utah the first U.S. state to recognize federally issued gold and silver coins as legal tender.
However, the governor chose not to make any public statement about the Utah Legal Tender Act.
Utah's state tax code now considers U.S. Mint gold and silver coins as currency, which means no capital gains or other state taxes will be levied when the coins are exchanged. However, the gold and silver coins are still only worth their face value despite record gold and silver prices.
A person only identified as close to Herbert told CNN, "If somebody is stupid enough that they want to buy a Snickers bar at 7-Eleven with a gold coin worth thousands of dollars, they will be able to do that."
Larry Hilton, an attorney and insurance salesman who authored the Utah Sound Money Act, said eliminating taxes on the exchange of the gold and silver coins places them in the same playing field as paper currency. However, federal taxes still apply. The law also does not apply to foreign minted gold coins.
He told the Salt Lake Tribune last December that the Utah Sound Money Act is "not intended to be compulsory in any way. The state is offering to taxpayers, "If you want to pay your taxes in gold and silver, we'll accept them."
James West, publisher of the Midas Lettter, Wednesday called Utah Sound Money Act "a shot at the Federal Reserve. And Utah isn't alone. A few other states are considering similar bills."
"Conservatives fret that the central bank has permanently damaged the value of the dollar by pumping trillions into the economy, drawing down the greenback's buying power," he observed. "And Utah - where the Tea Party has a powerful presence - is leading the charge against Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke."

The Utah Sound Money Act was also promoted by Washington-based American Principles in Action, which is backing the Gold Standard 2012 program.
 
The four most expensive words in financial history are "it's different this time"

Everyone knows the arguments about the dollar.

Is what is going on today really potentially worse for markets than WW2, the Cold War, stagflation of the 70s?

For the record 55% of my investable assets are in non-dollar denominated assets. The reason is that The US market represents less than 50% of world market cap. I have no money in bullion. 6% in commodity companies including precious metals (their stocks).

The market is smarter than we are.
 
The four most expensive words in financial history are "it's different this time"

We are in horrendous shape. Anyone thinking we are "recovering" has their head in the sand. Interest rates are zero, hardly anyone is loaning to us, deficits are through the roof, and the FED buys a staggerring 70% of new debt by printing money out of thin air. That's a recovery?? Are you serious??? As it stands now, the FED CAN'T stop printing money (soaring interest rates, huge interest payments), but then again they CAN'T continue either (massive inflation).

Obama had a chance to be a true hero; make the tough painful decisions. Instead he took the easy way out and gave everyone cake digging the hole that much deeper. I've joined the nutjobs in buying some food storage (not nearly enough); but it's about impossible right now to buy any. I feel the nutjobs now are the ones that have no preparations, not that anything can really protect us for what is potentially coming.
 
Obama had a chance to be a true hero; make the tough painful decisions. Instead he took the easy way out and gave everyone cake digging the hole that much deeper. I've joined the nutjobs in buying some food storage (not nearly enough); but it's about impossible right now to buy any. I feel the nutjobs now are the ones that have no preparations, not that anything can really protect us for what is potentially coming.

I don't disagree with the general themes in this thread re: debt, inflation, etc.

But let's get past the notion that somehow Obama is to blame. This is a failure of our entire elected government on almost all levels: local, state, & federal. From the news I'm reading, House Republicans were blocking any cuts for any non-discretionary or military spending until just a day or so ago which makes up something like 88% of federal expenditures.

What the situation needs is long-term, rational, nuanced approach. Unfortunately we elect the *****s who say, "I'll lower taxes, and I'll never touch your Medicare or Social Security!"
 
I don't disagree with the general themes in this thread re: debt, inflation, etc.

But let's get past the notion that somehow Obama is to blame. This is a failure of our entire elected government on almost all levels: local, state, & federal.

I blame basically all politicians of the last 30 or so years. But who put these people in power that gave Americans what they wanted? (ie, lower taxes but increased goodies). That would be the American people, so ultimately I blame them.

What I was saying is as the crisis reaches the breaking point, Obama had a chance to be the hero, and instead took the weak easy way out like everyone else (McCain would have done the same thing, but he lost; so the guy that had the chance and blew it would be Obama).
 
We are in horrendous shape. Anyone thinking we are "recovering" has their head in the sand. Interest rates are zero, hardly anyone is loaning to us, deficits are through the roof, and the FED buys a staggerring 70% of new debt by printing money out of thin air. That's a recovery?? Are you serious??? As it stands now, the FED CAN'T stop printing money (soaring interest rates, huge interest payments), but then again they CAN'T continue either (massive inflation).

Obama had a chance to be a true hero; make the tough painful decisions. Instead he took the easy way out and gave everyone cake digging the hole that much deeper. I've joined the nutjobs in buying some food storage (not nearly enough); but it's about impossible right now to buy any. I feel the nutjobs now are the ones that have no preparations, not that anything can really protect us for what is potentially coming.

I NEVER said that our economy was recovering. Prior to WW2 The British pound was the world's reserve currency. That ended immediately after the war, their cities and factories were bombed, Their empire declined and they contracted throughout the world. Conversely the Continental US was virtually unscathed, we became the world's reserve currency, our economic growth far surpassed theirs, You would think that given these conditions that the US stock market clobbered Great Britain's.

What happened:

We have data on the FTSE All-Share Index going back to February 1955. From February 1955 through December 2010, the FTSE All-Shares Index returned 10.9 percent, outperforming the S&P 500 Index, which returned 10.0 percent.

There are two types of investors: Those who don't know where the market is going and those who don't know that they don't know where the market is going.

Financial markets are not the economy.
 
However, the gold and silver coins are still only worth their face value despite record gold and silver prices.

I remember reading about some business owner who started paying his employees in gold coins. He'd negotiated something like $10/week with them and paid in US Mint fractional ounce gold coins based on their face value.

Then those employees happily filed 1040s with the IRS, claiming annual income of something like $400, paying no taxes.

Yeah, that didn't go over so well.

I know they lost in court, don't remember exactly the court's reasoning. Could've been because the employees then turned around and sold the gold coins but failed to report the "profit" from that transaction.
 
Interesting day so far in the market. Jobs are up, unemployment is down, silver is down, gold is holding, nice robust pop in the market overall and to boot, the dollar is stronger.... this all in the face of Libya and Japan.

Good day so far.... 😀
 
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