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My post was nothing about PSV. Don't go putting words in my mouth about how I have some "immediate resistance". I think Mel has been wolfish all game and I was just commenting on his play in general.
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I mean I'm wolf reading you and mel and I'm village reading shelter and sporty, so... yes, that's how I'd expect it to go
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justafluff
Good skelegg
That’s very strange, you re right! From what Ivy said I thought you were her pm partner.
I know you weren’t directly commenting on psv, but wolves can and do take the “offence is the best defence” strategy of retaliatory sus to defend each other without having to directly do so.
and you think this particular comment I made is somehow inconsistent with my game-long read of Mel in such a way that it's suddenly suspicious and indicates I'm protecting PSV?
Why would I jump on Mel for a single comment made 24 hours prior to day close to protect this supposed packmate of mine who has no significant heat otherwise?
I’ll entertain this in the event my POE goes wrong
oh this post is interesting (sorry for the probably confusing ping, Vis, I'm finally trying to skim and catch up)
I like this post a bit better, but I think regardless it'll be interesting to come back to later when more people flip.
I think I'm still in a place where I know Vis didn't make any posts that were red flags to me in Casino so I basically don't know that I can reliably read her and I'm happy with the pressure and seeing what happens with the vote.
I'll just have to chew on some of the posts that do seem "real" before close here.
....And I'm also now tinfoiling now that Mel is orchestrating this entire game and Vis is village. I still can't see them w/w.
Guess how much I care. My reads always get called weird.
Slow your roll. I’ve had PSV as solid village since the end of D1. I haven’t seen much talk about PSV or it didn’t register but I noticed many people easily village reading them. There’s so much resistance to a solid village bloc that it feels like there’s a deep wolf that people are overlooking. I’m re-evaluating to make sure I’m updating my reads as the game evolves.
I have had PSV as village too but earlier someone mentioned how not inexperienced PSV sounds and that’s set off feels.
Why?
I already said. Their banter and back and forth here would be surprising to me as two wolves with decent suspicion on them.
justafluff
Good skelegg
Did you discuss PSV with Ivy? Why would she say that PSV "knows who she is?"
Village:
Animal Midwife - Still feel good about my read here. Nothing is standing out that would make me think this isn’t village AM.
samac - Still feel like there’s a villager here. I’m not seeing as much as I’d like, I know she’s irl busy, but nothing she’s posted jumps out at me as wolfy.
Lawpy - His content posts make sense. I’m following his thought process and he’s making good posts and seems like a good effort at game solving.
Aprilthearab - I liked the Ivy ISO. It was ultimately an incorrect conclusion, but the way she approached the ISO and analyzed the information read like it was a villager.
potentialsheltervet - PSV’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I feel like I’m seeing a noob effort at game solving. Slight village read here.
Neutral:
justafluff - Ugh. Fine. I’ve probably been wrong. I explained my thoughts on this already, but I’m starting to think more likely village than not. Top of my neutrals.
bluestoat - I’m still unsure but I’m starting to read their posts and see a more village sided tone. I can see the game solving effort and it doesn’t look like subterfuge, it looks like a villager trying to game solve. Village side of Neutral.
violetvett - To me, the reveal and frustration rang true, but that sways me more than it should, and Lawpy’s points against it are fair. Overall I’m not sure here. But I’m more inclined to lean village here. Neutral for now though.
puppydogtor - Overall not sure. In general I think their posts seem okay though. Village side of neutral, but not by much.
SportPonies - I don’t have a clue how to read sporty. There. I said it. At think point I think I’m just waiting for some of her reads to flip to get a sense of how to read her. There’s a number of things that ping me, and I feel like I’m seeing a genuine effort at game solving in some posts, and that’s what I’m struggling with.
Melchizedek - Mel always pings me for a majority of reasons, but his most recent reads list is something I can’t really agree with. A lot of strange reads and reasoning. I don’t get why he’s putting April in the POE for doing the Ivy ISO. She was wrong, but I don’t see how being wrong on a read most people found wolfy since D1. AM was a weird addition too. I get they were in a certain order and April and AM were lower on the list, but still it’s pretty weird.
Wolfy:
Viscernable - I’ve been reading though Vis’s posts and I’m in agreement with people’s reads and votes here. The one thing that trips me up, is that if Fluff IS village, and Vis is a wolf, why wouldn’t Vis vote for Fluff at the end of D2? I guess it doesn’t change anything overall, contributions still seem like they’re really game solving, pushes seem off in a way that’s feels too forceful and less thoughtful than I expect from village!vis.
Youngkal - I’m not seeing anything that makes me think this is a villager. There were a few things that pinged me D1. D2 wasn’t much better. I can’t make a good case for this being a village player.
vetmedhead - After wolf reading VMH I backed off yesterday because I liked some of their posts, particularly those around Fluff. If I’m following the logic of my hunch that Fluff is probably village, then I think I’ve been played.
OctopusDoctorpus - Overall I’ve seen no effort at game solving. ISO is limited and full of fluff. The last minute vote switch was super weird last night.
Animal Midwife - Still feel good about my read here. Nothing is standing out that would make me think this isn’t village AM.
samac - Still feel like there’s a villager here. I’m not seeing as much as I’d like, I know she’s irl busy, but nothing she’s posted jumps out at me as wolfy.
Lawpy - His content posts make sense. I’m following his thought process and he’s making good posts and seems like a good effort at game solving.
Aprilthearab - I liked the Ivy ISO. It was ultimately an incorrect conclusion, but the way she approached the ISO and analyzed the information read like it was a villager.
potentialsheltervet - PSV’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I feel like I’m seeing a noob effort at game solving. Slight village read here.
Neutral:
justafluff - Ugh. Fine. I’ve probably been wrong. I explained my thoughts on this already, but I’m starting to think more likely village than not. Top of my neutrals.
bluestoat - I’m still unsure but I’m starting to read their posts and see a more village sided tone. I can see the game solving effort and it doesn’t look like subterfuge, it looks like a villager trying to game solve. Village side of Neutral.
violetvett - To me, the reveal and frustration rang true, but that sways me more than it should, and Lawpy’s points against it are fair. Overall I’m not sure here. But I’m more inclined to lean village here. Neutral for now though.
puppydogtor - Overall not sure. In general I think their posts seem okay though. Village side of neutral, but not by much.
SportPonies - I don’t have a clue how to read sporty. There. I said it. At think point I think I’m just waiting for some of her reads to flip to get a sense of how to read her. There’s a number of things that ping me, and I feel like I’m seeing a genuine effort at game solving in some posts, and that’s what I’m struggling with.
Melchizedek - Mel always pings me for a majority of reasons, but his most recent reads list is something I can’t really agree with. A lot of strange reads and reasoning. I don’t get why he’s putting April in the POE for doing the Ivy ISO. She was wrong, but I don’t see how being wrong on a read most people found wolfy since D1. AM was a weird addition too. I get they were in a certain order and April and AM were lower on the list, but still it’s pretty weird.
Wolfy:
Viscernable - I’ve been reading though Vis’s posts and I’m in agreement with people’s reads and votes here. The one thing that trips me up, is that if Fluff IS village, and Vis is a wolf, why wouldn’t Vis vote for Fluff at the end of D2? I guess it doesn’t change anything overall, contributions still seem like they’re really game solving, pushes seem off in a way that’s feels too forceful and less thoughtful than I expect from village!vis.
Youngkal - I’m not seeing anything that makes me think this is a villager. There were a few things that pinged me D1. D2 wasn’t much better. I can’t make a good case for this being a village player.
vetmedhead - After wolf reading VMH I backed off yesterday because I liked some of their posts, particularly those around Fluff. If I’m following the logic of my hunch that Fluff is probably village, then I think I’ve been played.
OctopusDoctorpus - Overall I’ve seen no effort at game solving. ISO is limited and full of fluff. The last minute vote switch was super weird last night.
I would like to save this post and contemplate it later.
A really quick skimming interaction ISO on both of them shows that neither of them have made any really strong statements of each other and almost all of their mentions of each other are within context of others and not necessarily stating a direct read on each other
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they're just doing a lot of agreeing with each other in this last page or so. I'm not talking about buddy-buddy village reading each other. Just kind of their "adjacent" (if that makes sense) conversation/reads that's going on.
I don’t think Mels is wolf
Honestly I wouldn't put it past either of them to put that kind of interaction on the thread to throw people off, and their POEs are similar enough to allow for overlap of village wagons that they could potentially yeet while different enough to try to safely distance themselves
Ivy and I had <10 posts in our PM since we were both kinda busy during the week.
We talked about PSV, Pubdog, Blue, and Zuri.
Ivy was most worried about PSV and Pubdog, said she would ISO them more, but never got the chance to.
Blue, she thought was playing like they were in the noob game.
Zuri - we discussed my theory about zuri and Ivy said she thought a lot of the behavior was explained by inexperience, I told her about getting burned by a noob for very similar behavior last year.
justafluff
Good skelegg
Does it make any difference that she voted Ivy? We're both village, and one of us went down.
ah, to fathom that my playstyle hasn't changed because someone is suspicious of me.
Don't worry, it annoys AM too.
except Visc and I have agreed on a lot of things as V/V before. I think I noted it in the first game I played with Visc how much it felt like Visc was reading from my notes.
uh oh my heartstrings are being pulled.
I'm reading this villagey too. Hmm.
why?
justafluff
Good skelegg
Not to mention that VMH also voted Ivy to break the tie with me. Maybe it was a coordinated move or maybe they planned it so VMH appears to be the good village tie breaker.
This is a good point. I had the wagon that build on your vote on the time on my mind. It felt like your vote had more momentum at the time of the vote. Maybe Vis didn’t want to vote there for the reason of spooking people already on the vote, as an example of one of the things I’m considering.
🤔
To all of you: why?
Especially the veterans. Why hop off a vote you previously felt strongly about for a role reveal that isn't all that remarkably AI or impossible to fake?
I'm not disagreeing with a village violet read, but I'm disagreeing with the reasoning here.
since when are you a nervous villager? Sure you're not wearing fuzzy pants?
I'll be honest, I like this post.
justafluff
Good skelegg
Happy to ISO PSV, since I haven't thought of her much until she voted against me yesterday.
Feels very NAI to me
April I am reading as very, very village. She's my PM partner, and I haven't gotten a single wolfy tingle from interacting with her. She's been extremely helpful to me and low-key acting like a manator. It isn't mutually exclusive with being a wolf, but she's been great. I found the ISO on Ivy somewhat incriminating but without knowing exactly who a wolf is, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that you'd swing and miss.
Sporty I'm less certain on. I'm feeling village but I don't think I've ever played with sporty so I don't know how to read her, and she led the noob game so maybe I've got those blinders on, but I'm not finding much in other people's wolf reads of her. If I had to choose I'd say sporty is village.
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Careful with that, dear nooblet.
I know it might bite me in the butt but I'm flying by the seat of my pants outside my role PM and I feel like April is village. I've either been deeply pocketed or she is actually village.
Remind me to tell you about the time I pocketed a toddler Paws all game to win.
Not that I'm wolfreading April right now, but it's certainly something to be careful of.
Nervous that I’m on the wrong vote? Pretty regularly.
I responded to this earlier. I played the noob and speed games and totted BoWWnty Hunting so I'm not the noobiest of noobs. I've also been asking mod questions in my role PM and more specific questions in my PM with April.
I don't know, and this has been bugging me. Like... In real life? In the game?? I'm confused by both options.
Because I agree with and understand what Mels is getting at from his posts, especially from my discussions with him since N1. I think Mels/vissy is V/W with vissy being wolfy.
Can I at least have some hold music? Still waiting to see your thoughts.
I know you're just jumping back in and there is a LOT of content, but its D3 and I feel like I've gotten nothing solid from you.
I would be very surprised to see this from a noob wolf. If Doc Oc here is a wolf, color me surprised.
Also on-call today
take your time there's still a day. Just wanted to make sure you know I'm still paying attention.
this post feels like manipulative Mel, I think.
What was the game where I pointed out a post from Wolf!Mel and said it sounded wolfy and then proceeded to not vote for him, and then said I should have trusted my gut afterwards? Probably no one remembers this. I remember discussing it with @WildZoo after the fact but I'm sure she also doesn't remember since her brain retains very few things.
I want to compare to that game. I just don't remember what that game was lol. Maybe Casino too, idk what the game before that was even.
April stop sounding wolfy on this page, it's creeping me out.
How are these April quotes wolfy?
This post becomes very threatening when coupled with your profile picture.
I was spiraling after the ivy yeet went south, I've composed myself again
my answer to everything is always tone, sorry.
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I'd be on meats again today. My read on Mel hasn't changed.
why meats though? I've thought her posts have been fairly village.
Possibly would vote Octo as well because I don't like the responding in PMs without answering my question from 24 hours ago.
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