BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD

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AM will absolutely not bus, which has outed her before. Visc was getting heat. It was a nice way to shoot two birds with one stone: give AM village cred, and also give her an excuse to continue not bussing if Visc ended up flipping.
I get that and that's smart to think about but she never indicated she'd vote vis. She was never like "oh I'd vote vis but I can't." D1 she voted genny, D2 meats and D3 she said she'd vote meats again when the vis heat was catching up.
 
Zenge to AM
Do we have stats on this?

Take it up with Genny and the guilt trip!

@Animal Midwife

Have you felt any better about VMH today, or no?

Has sporty bussed before?

Yeah it’s making me nervous that it’s building so fast.

I also don’t like that @bluestoat said they were wolf reading fluff and is now going onto a vote without anyone else. That’s making me nervous

Why Alley? There’s some others I’m curious about too, but Alley being in the POE really stands out to me.

Does Stoat’s position on Vis D1 change anything for you?


:shrug:

Yeah, let me make dinner. I’ll share one a little later tonight.

Am currently enjoying it

Mel shading and prepping to bus a noob in his pack doesn’t surprise me in the least.
 
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Just in doing the ISO and going through his posts he interacts with Lawpy a **** ton. I would be flabbergasted if wolves manufacture that much interaction.
Also I was up pretty late after the vis flip and it was a ton of messages between Lawpy and Zenge, where Lawpy was posting quotes and ignoring Zenge's questions. That's when I sort of woke up to the possibility that Zenge might be a wolf when Lawpy started bothering him about it. I doubt that was an orchestrated w/w interaction. It could be, but then why are we even playing this game if people can mimic fights on the thread like this.
 
Frame 4 Official Vote Tally

Mel (6) - April, fluff, samac, Lawpy, AM, puppy

Sporty () -
Fluff (1) - Sporty
AM (2) - Mel, alley
violet (1) - YK

10/12

Missing: @potentialsheltervet, @violetvett

Day Close: ~4 hours: 10PM EST/9PM CST/8PM MST/7PM Fantasyland

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This was confusing to me, since I still haven't gotten any updates still on my bowling average. Actually, has anyone gotten an update on their bowling average yet? I feel like we'll all receive them at the end of the game, but this was some weird speculation that sounds like Mel either knows exactly how averages work, or no clue at all. But it would be kind of risky for a wolf to say, unless they're trying to defend alley/place mistrust on fluff? It's just really off and I would love a second opinion on this quote.
Sorry, violet I missed this. I can tell you, I haven't received any update. And yeah theoretically some may be getting updates, but honestly, the only time I thought about an updated score was when you asked "why not my current one?"
And honestly the way alley responded to that question was what made me track her that night.
 
This was confusing to me, since I still haven't gotten any updates still on my bowling average. Actually, has anyone gotten an update on their bowling average yet? I feel like we'll all receive them at the end of the game, but this was some weird speculation that sounds like Mel either knows exactly how averages work, or no clue at all. But it would be kind of risky for a wolf to say, unless they're trying to defend alley/place mistrust on fluff? It's just really off and I would love a second opinion on this quote.
My average went down N2. I have no idea by how much or if it's temporary though.
 
This is some hardcore BS. Alley should be lock!clear from the Zenge flip. I'm perfectly okay with my wolf read on you now.

Everyone talks about bussing like its some easy and quick decision. Bussing is innately detrimental to the wolfpack. Any village cred you gain automatically gets scrutinized for bus potential. The more wolves you lose, the more cycles you have to play, the more chances village has to find the busser out.

There was no reason for alley to bus Zenge that hard.
wolf dancing GIF
 
You calling my case weak does not make it so. You also saying I'm howling doesn't speak it into reality.
The fact that you fully focused on two words describing your affiliation while ignoring evidence a sentence down that points to village!Lawpy is strong villagey behavior tbh.
 
I might come around on Mel.
This is from Monday morning before Vis even flipped. Mel said he'd be looking into Zenge. He was defending VMH. He was sus of YK as well, but as he said, it was before YK even mentioned the yeet protection. The quote after this one (not included here) was Samac saying she'll eat a shoe if vis flips wolf, so in perspective it wasn't so bad of Mel to want to trust vis. @youngkal the below quote is what I was talking about. Mel says that it was wolfy of you to not reveal you had yeet protection. I honestly don't think so. I think its wise to not reveal you are protected because a yeet protector or NK protector is a very powerful role. Anyway Mel claims he thought it was wolfy so he voted for you over vis. I understand that you don't want to vote for him. But if he's a wolf this doesn't look good for you.
well yeah youre right if he flips wolf it does look bad for me but im not going to vote solely for that purpose because that could be said about anyone?
 
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@Lawpy you might be one of the most active and visible posters here, but the majority of your content feels like unnecessary posts such as "Hmmm" and "___ pls" and "Not the okays." You are definitely present on thread, but I struggle with seeing you as village when the actual content of most of your posts early in the game was severely lacking
I'd definitely say by N1, at the latest, he has had a good content:fluff ratio.
 
@puppydogtor @justafluff @samac @Aprilthearab you're making the anti-village move.

If you're doubting the yeet protection:
1. YK has confirmed there is a protection action.
2. No one has counter-claimed a protection on N2
3. No one has counter-claimed a protection on N3
4. I told you early so you don't waste today. This is how villagers use a vote protection.


I am an easy misyeet, think harder. Notice how AM has been in the background just kind of sheeping people's votes or echoing throughts. The only hard stances she took were on me AFTER I started making a case against her, and when she was defending zenge. This is your wolf.

If you vote me today there will be no flip. People will use this reasoning to vote me tomorrow again and waste another day. When I flip village, everyone is saying they will go after AM.
Vote AM today, and if I'm wrong you can flip me tomorrow, and you still don't lose a cycle.
Again. WHY would someone counterclaim if they're not in danger?
 
I'm honestly confused by that comment she made. In no way am I "hardsiding" with you. I'm not siding with anyone, I'm just trying to see what else there is to your posts and figure out what's redeemable and what's wolfy
I just meant stuff like unvoting Mel or calling Lawpy wolfy.

It's more for your sake that mine because the more you avoid pushing easily confirmable villagers, the less likely you'll get misyeeted in the event I get nk'ed. Don't give wolves any wiggle room to say you were defending Mel.

alley's the one who should know better here.
 
True... I'm so confused by where kal stands. She won't vote for mel and jokes that she's been pocketed but so did VMH. But Mel easily chose to vote her over Vis.
It's wolfy in isolation, but again, wolves would have have to been playing with deepwolfing fire/borderline sabatoging to keep dumping her like that. She's just low hanging fruit.
 
Mel D3 - ISO
Okay, Mel is starting to stop 100% village reading Vis for the first time. Zenge read was on point, also. It would be odd for a wolf to implicate two wolves in the same post. AM suspicions remain.


Big long post on why meats is (correctly) village. It would be weird for a wolf to do that when lots of people are sus of meats.

About the Ivy wagon

This would be some pretty big bussing of Vis.


Mainly because YK wasn't super around/not providing a lot of reasoning.


I do like this villager paranoia about PSV.


This has already been brought up, but this seems like a really weird thing for a wolf to say about another wolf.

But Zenge did sorta bus Vis



Still uncertain on Vis, but again this would be some weird bussing of Zenge when there's not a lot of discussion on them.


Might be relevant later depending on flips.


Valid reasoning, still uncertain of Vis.

20 minutes before deadline

The only way this would make sense for a wolf to do is if YK is also a wolf, but I just can't see a wolf bussing TWO wolves in the same day.

So, yeah from D3, I can't see Mel being a wolf unless he's bussing everyone.

Side note:

puppy is def village-leaning for me from this, as it was one of the first Vis votes of the day (unless it's some weird hardcore bussing).
As a reminder, I want to point out Mel never attempted to question Zenge that cycle like he kept pushing the rest in his POE.

Also Vis, to her death bed, said meats was village.
 
I might come around on Mel.
This is from Monday morning before Vis even flipped. Mel said he'd be looking into Zenge. He was defending VMH. He was sus of YK as well, but as he said, it was before YK even mentioned the yeet protection. The quote after this one (not included here) was Samac saying she'll eat a shoe if vis flips wolf, so in perspective it wasn't so bad of Mel to want to trust vis. @youngkal the below quote is what I was talking about. Mel says that it was wolfy of you to not reveal you had yeet protection. I honestly don't think so. I think its wise to not reveal you are protected because a yeet protector or NK protector is a very powerful role. Anyway Mel claims he thought it was wolfy so he voted for you over vis. I understand that you don't want to vote for him. But if he's a wolf this doesn't look good for you.
He never did follow up with looking into Zenge. He tried to imply Lawpy was outted instead. That quote also came when Vis already had five votes when leading for hours.
 
@puppydogtor @justafluff @samac @Aprilthearab you're making the anti-village move.

If you're doubting the yeet protection:
1. YK has confirmed there is a protection action.
2. No one has counter-claimed a protection on N2
3. No one has counter-claimed a protection on N3
4. I told you early so you don't waste today. This is how villagers use a vote protection.


I am an easy misyeet, think harder. Notice how AM has been in the background just kind of sheeping people's votes or echoing throughts. The only hard stances she took were on me AFTER I started making a case against her, and when she was defending zenge. This is your wolf.

If you vote me today there will be no flip. People will use this reasoning to vote me tomorrow again and waste another day. When I flip village, everyone is saying they will go after AM.
Vote AM today, and if I'm wrong you can flip me tomorrow, and you still don't lose a cycle.
This kind of reminds me the “gun to the head” that Stoat referred to when she was making a case against Dana. Ughhhh I don’t know 🙁
 
I will give the vote protection to anyone that the thread agrees on. That way you know for sure I don't have the vote protection tomorrow.
If I lie, then you know for sure I'm a wolf and you can treat me like an outted wolf while you find the last ones and vote me the next day.


lets assume there's no 3p's and 2 wolves left.
D4 12 players 10:2 village:wolf
you take my word and vote someone else, for shortest game state we'll assume a villager ends up voted.
N4 11 players 9:2
Villager killed overnight
D5 10 players 8:2
You all vote me. Assuming I'm a wolf and use my vote protection D5 instead:
N5 11 players 8:2
D6 10 players 7:2 you vote me because I lied about vote protections
N6 9 players 8:1
Which then means you have 4 cycles to find the last wolf based off of 3 flipped wolves' interactions, reads, VCA etc. Thats a good bet.


Abilities.are.not.indicative.of.affiliation.
Mods will build games and give villagers "wolfy" abilities to prevent this kind of gamesolving similar to village code. I know you're talking about me, and it sounds like I'm defending, but this is legitimately a bad way to try to figure out the game and will burn you.
Outside of the fact that this entire post is WIFOM, you did the math incorrectly.
 
True... I'm so confused by where kal stands. She won't vote for mel and jokes that she's been pocketed but so did VMH. But Mel easily chose to vote her over Vis.
I see this as Mel trying to pressure me -- to scare me if i was a wolf, to cause panic. thats where im holding -- again will change my descripton on here if im wrong to "address = Mels pocket"
 
Also I was up pretty late after the vis flip and it was a ton of messages between Lawpy and Zenge, where Lawpy was posting quotes and ignoring Zenge's questions. That's when I sort of woke up to the possibility that Zenge might be a wolf when Lawpy started bothering him about it. I doubt that was an orchestrated w/w interaction. It could be, but then why are we even playing this game if people can mimic fights on the thread like this.
People can actually do some really violent w/w fights (also called theater), but that didn't happen here.
 
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and what if hes not lying? we waste a day? i mean with the two wolves down its not as big of a deal but...

I mean i get it if its fake but also it feels wrong
This isn't quite the same as an alpha situation because we know how the mechanic works from you.

I can't see voting for violet over Mel given the stark difference in treatment.
 
Frame 4 Official Vote Tally

Mel (6) - April, fluff, samac, Lawpy, AM, puppy

Sporty () -
Fluff (1) - Sporty
AM (2) - Mel, alley
violet (1) - YK

10/12

Missing: @potentialsheltervet, @violetvett

Day Close: ~3 hours: 10PM EST/9PM CST/8PM MST/7PM Fantasyland

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@Melchizedek i saw that your math post assumes you flip wolf when we vote for someone else today. Why is there so much resistance to voting you today, if you are protecting yourself? Since we still have a lot of time as a village to find the wolves?
 
Who would you yeet if not Mel?
At this point? Probably Alley.
I've been pondering this, and actually I really like Mel's idea to have him protect someone else for yeet tomorrow. Unless this is some sort of hidden loophole he hasn't disclosed, that would prove he used his ability on someone other than himself and therefore is likely able to be yeeted tomorrow. It's not going to prove he's village by any means-- in fact, it's pretty NAI-- but it will show that he can be yeeted tomorrow and we won't have to stress over whether the yeet will go through or not.
I think the selected player has to be someone nearly universally village-read so no one can claim it's a wolf collusion. I'm feeling either @Lawpy or @samac as the ideal candidate.
 
However, Alley has been liking virtually all of my posts so I feel like I would be betraying her by voting her out.
(See? This is why I should never have signed up for the noob game.)
 
However, Alley has been liking virtually all of my posts so I feel like I would be betraying her by voting her out.
(See? This is why I should never have signed up for the noob game.)
Oh no don't be pocketed by the likes 😂 she's been liking everyone's posts

Except for the one she okayed at me when I asked if the flipped wolves were her packmates
 
At this point? Probably Alley.
I've been pondering this, and actually I really like Mel's idea to have him protect someone else for yeet tomorrow. Unless this is some sort of hidden loophole he hasn't disclosed, that would prove he used his ability on someone other than himself and therefore is likely able to be yeeted tomorrow. It's not going to prove he's village by any means-- in fact, it's pretty NAI-- but it will show that he can be yeeted tomorrow and we won't have to stress over whether the yeet will go through or not.
I think the selected player has to be someone nearly universally village-read so no one can claim it's a wolf collusion. I'm feeling either @Lawpy or @samac as the ideal candidate.
But what if a packmate lies and claims he used it on them?
 
At this point? Probably Alley.
I've been pondering this, and actually I really like Mel's idea to have him protect someone else for yeet tomorrow. Unless this is some sort of hidden loophole he hasn't disclosed, that would prove he used his ability on someone other than himself and therefore is likely able to be yeeted tomorrow. It's not going to prove he's village by any means-- in fact, it's pretty NAI-- but it will show that he can be yeeted tomorrow and we won't have to stress over whether the yeet will go through or not.
I think the selected player has to be someone nearly universally village-read so no one can claim it's a wolf collusion. I'm feeling either @Lawpy or @samac as the ideal candidate.
There is one loophole outside the usual wifom. Whoever he claims to protect could be nightkilled.

I agree choosing someone unlikely to die yet highly likely to be village is the best preventative for that though so I'd second Lawpy.
 
I also don't see any world where he would comply with that. "Okay guys, here's my proof that you can yeet me today" lol
 
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True... I'm so confused by where kal stands. She won't vote for mel and jokes that she's been pocketed but so did VMH. But Mel easily chose to vote her over Vis.
I guess I should add that im worried that Mel would be a wasted yeet today. I see the points made by @samac (i think?) but if we think there are 5 wolves why not push others today?
This isn't quite the same as an alpha situation because we know how the mechanic works from you.

I can't see voting for violet over Mel given the stark difference in treatment.
Can you explain the first part?
 
I also don't see any world where he would comply with that. "Okay guys, here's my proof that you can yeet me today" lol
Actually he was the one who suggested it a couple pages back. That's why I added the caveat about there potentially being some loophole where he could protect two players or use a redirect or something fishy like that. Once he pops back in (hopefully before yeet close) he can second it, or reject it I guess.
I think Lawpy is extremely unlikely to be a packmate so there's a low likelihood of shenanigans, I hope.
 
Ugh my brain hurts from the Mel vs AM because my ISO says it's not Mel but so many of my villagereads think it's him. I'm just going in WIFOM circles over both of them so for now

yeet YK.